More verbal communication!

[Jocke]

Not scripted scenes but girls talking to us viewers spontaneously or performers interacting verbally.

I enjoyed Stacy Bloom opening her ass and saying "Welcome in!" and Eden Ivy saying, "Give us some cock juice!".

I also found it very teasing with Kristy Black having an intro talking to the camera about all the naughty thing they were to do.

[dap-addict]

+ 1

Girls should be encouraged by directors to say something before getting done!
Or at least while it happens.

[101mike101]

Not scripted scenes but girls talking to us viewers spontaneously or performers interacting verbally.

I enjoyed Stacy Bloom opening her ass and saying "Welcome in!" and Eden Ivy saying, "Give us some cock juice!".

I also found it very teasing with Kristy Black having an intro talking to the camera about all the naughty thing they were to do.

I agree. Speaking in a meaningful way is one of the things that makes people people, rather than animals, or robots, or plastic dolls. And when this is absent, then at least on the subconscious level, this makes you feel that something is missing and something is wrong with this picture.

So, even the lady says something to her fucking guys in a language you don't understand, then this in itself makes her look more human in a hot kind of way, than if she doesn't say anything at all. Because just her act of speaking with other people in an apparently meaningful way in itself makes her look human, rather than something that looks human but might not be such.

[Tito1981]

I think is a good idea even uf they don't speak English they can use they own native language. what I don't like is some of this model try to speak in English with American accent or like American porn star that is fake don't act like that be real natural don't be fake..

[davebowman]

Some talking from the girls would be appreciated. I think part of what adds to the whole 'conveyor-belt' sameness of scenes is girls who are essentially silent puppets manhandled by the same group of guys, in the same positions, and same settings, scene after scene. Anything that adds to a girls personality and helps make that scene feel slightly unique would be appreciated.

That said - some girls are natural talkers, and some aren't. Let's not force girls to try and talk if they can't handle it, or don't know what to say. One of my big bugears are those US porn stars, with their endless "right there, right there, right there" phrases repeated over and over.

[101mike101]

....One of my big bugears are those US porn stars, with their endless "right there, right there, right there" phrases repeated over and over.

Repetitive talking like this can be done a by computerized robot doll. People can talk like robots too. But such robotized talk isn't hot.

One-way talking is what robots do. Real human beings are able to interact with other people in a meaningful way. So, the lady would say something to the guy about his cock, if his size impresses her. "Take it easy in my ass", she might say to him. And with another guy she might say something that's appropriate for him. So, the lady shows understanding of other people and her situation and interacts accordingly. Which a computerized robot doll can't do.

The talk needs to be human, rather than robotic, to make it hot.

[nelson_sanchez]

do no waste your time, they will never do it they do not know how to do it. or maybe they are still in there infancy, but in lp/av case 1 year is equal to 10 of ours or 50. that is why the scenes are so repetetive and the girls become a boresome, they only know how to fuck an ass and, sometimes they fuck up on that too (tf) lets hope someone lands on av that has theatrical background and merge it with GG or GZ style. brazzers and sexmex are doing grate on acting but there sex is soft.

[nelson_sanchez]

Some talking from the girls would be appreciated. I think part of what adds to the whole 'conveyor-belt' sameness of scenes is girls who are essentially silent puppets manhandled by the same group of guys, in the same positions, and same settings, scene after scene. Anything that adds to a girls personality and helps make that scene feel slightly unique would be appreciated.

That said - some girls are natural talkers, and some aren't. Let's not force girls to try and talk if they can't handle it, or don't know what to say. One of my big bugears are those US porn stars, with their endless "right there, right there, right there" phrases repeated over and over.

https://www.xvideos.com/video53351819/s ... enjennyx1_

https://www.xvideos.com/video54165727/v ... ido_infiel

[nelson_sanchez]

Some talking from the girls would be appreciated. I think part of what adds to the whole 'conveyor-belt' sameness of scenes is girls who are essentially silent puppets manhandled by the same group of guys, in the same positions, and same settings, scene after scene. Anything that adds to a girls personality and helps make that scene feel slightly unique would be appreciated.

That said - some girls are natural talkers, and some aren't. Let's not force girls to try and talk if they can't handle it, or don't know what to say. One of my big bugears are those US porn stars, with their endless "right there, right there, right there" phrases repeated over and over.

https://www.xvideos.com/video53351819/s ... enjennyx1_

https://www.xvideos.com/video54061053/m ... u_hijastro

https://www.xvideos.com/video54165727/v ... ido_infiel

[101mike101]

do no waste your time, they will never do it they do not know how to do it. or maybe they are still in there infancy, but in lp/av case 1 year is equal to 10 of ours or 50. that is why the scenes are so repetetive and the girls become a boresome, they only know how to fuck an ass and, sometimes they fuck up on that too (tf) lets hope someone lands on av that has theatrical background and merge it with GG or GZ style. brazzers and sexmex are doing grate on acting but there sex is soft.

The lady and the guys routinely say things to each other. It's just that they say them behind the scenes, rather than on film. Their talk is cut out, if and when it happens.

So, all that needs to happen is change the editing process and stop cutting out such talk.

I remember watching an old gang-bang scene for Samantha Strong. She was one of the hottest ladies in her time. And this was going to be her first gang-bang. But anal wasn't yet fully accepted in the porn industry, especially by hot women like her. And before her gang-bang she met her gang and yelled at all of them in a very loud voice to stay away from her ass and not even try anal with her. Because she would walk right off the stage, if any one of them tries to do the anal stuff.

Nowadays such yelling by a porn-star at the guys is censored and cut out. But on that rare occasion it was included in the scene. And it was real yelling too. You could see that Samantha Strong wasn't joking with these guys. She meant it.

[petermc934]

Been saying this for a while. Scenes are much better with some dirty talk. Always seems a waste to me when they get English speakers on and they just stay silent for the whole scene. When a girl is on her knees with a guy standing over her waiting to piss, would it kill LP to have her say “piss in my mouth” or “I want to taste your hot piss” or something.

[Starrio]

Meh, I'm neutral with this, it is definitely not necessary for me, but I don't mind it either, and I may even enjoy it depending of the girl, for example I like when Eveline Dellai talks Italian and says the world "culo" for example. It makes it sound like she is aware of how much the guys are enjoying her anus. So I can see the benefits in this in certain occasions, as long as it doesn't become the shit show that is U.S. porn sometimes.

[TomHardick]

If that means the guys are gonna get hornier, and fuck better, good. I remember a waka waka scene with Emily Pink, she said a couple of things in spanish and the guys inmediately reacted in a good way. Then she was doing an IG live and i asked her about that, she said that she doesn't know what to say, because she doesn't speak english; i explained her that it's great whe she talks in spanish because the guys love it, so she said "well... the next time you gonna get some spanish talking.".

[squirtjunkie]

Not scripted scenes but girls talking to us viewers spontaneously or performers interacting verbally.

I enjoyed Stacy Bloom opening her ass and saying "Welcome in!" and Eden Ivy saying, "Give us some cock juice!".

I also found it very teasing with Kristy Black having an intro talking to the camera about all the naughty thing they were to do.

100% agree!!!

i also like much talking between 2 girls in one scene!!!

[beklof]

For me, sound effects don’t matter in itself. But the only really working and exciting sound effects I’ve heard are in old German porn videos where the sounds are dubbed. So the vocals are handled separately by their own actors. It really works. When "Das ist so geil" comes to the headphones, it gets excited right away!

[lamboka]

Great example is Maddy Black. She speaks czech during the scene, encourages the guys (for example phrases like "put your cock in my as" but not in english, which is boring and coon, instead in czech, which sounds so hot and refreshing )

[TheVulture]

Yeah I agree but the problem with AV/LP - and most modern porn generally - is that the girls are not really the focus of the scenes in a tone/feel sense but rather served up as prey for bully boy studs with big egos. So generally any talking you're going to get is from the guys and not in a particularly sexy sense, more of a "Take this bitch!" kind of thing. In order to get the girls to vocalise more I think you would have to change that ethos wholesale and make the girls and their fantasies the centrepiece of the scenes. Personally I doubt that AV/LP would consider this as I think they have their style and intended audience, which is predicated on the guys being dominant and the girls being overpowered.

Despite this there are some good dirty talkers amongst the current crop of AV/LP girls but alas I think their efforts are a bit lost in the whole "stud first" dynamic.

But yes, put me down in the "yes" camp for wanting to hear more from the girls (and - by way of direct correlation - for the guys to shut the fuck up unless they are offering something horny and non-ego fuelled).

[Starrio]

I do admit that when a girl says no sounds hot in camera. Like that one on one between Eveline Dellai and Mike Chapman. Both times she says no to him were very hot indeed. He was going balls deep in both occasions. It really makes it more realistic.

[TheVulture]

I do admit that when a girl says no sounds hot in camera. Like that one on one between Eveline Dellai and Mike Chapman. Both times she says no to him were very hot indeed. He was going balls deep in both occasions. It really makes it more realistic.

Well, that's very "you" with your rough/male dom ethos but it isn't really in keeping with the spirit of the thread, is it? I think what most people here want is for the girls to be positive and sexy vocally rather than just adding to your aggressive male fantasies with a form of vocal timidity and even resistance, which is really a very different vibe indeed.

For sure put me down in the firm "no" camp for girls saying no or anything suggesting non-consensual action. Instant scene killer.

What do you mean by "more realistic"? Are you saying that most sex is non-consensual?

[Starrio]

Don't be funny, it's more realistic because when you fuck girls in the ass yourself you get a lot of no when it's their first time and they are trying to adjust.

It's a way to calibrate so you go easier or back off, and then go again. It's like a dance, you move forward they say no you step back, then you go again until they are lose enough to take you all the way in.

[101mike101]

Don't be funny, it's more realistic because when you fuck girls in the ass yourself you get a lot of no when it's their first time and they are trying to adjust.

It's a way to calibrate so you go easier or back off, and then go again. It's like a dance, you move forward they say no you step back, then you go again until they are lose enough to take you all the way in.

For me, the most exciting anal scene is where the lady has some difficulty with taking her anal guys at first. So, the guy starts with tip-fucking, nice and slow at first. But he keeps pushing her limits by trying to go deeper inside her. And he works like that with her, until he is inside her all the way to his balls. And once he achieves his balls-deep penetration with her, then he starts to work on increasing his speed with her. And he works like that with her, until at the end of the scene, he is banging her nice ass hard-and-fast, and all the way to his balls. And the lady is gaping at the end of her scene.

It takes a real ass-master to truly and fully debauch a lady who isn't quite ready. And the work of such an ass-master between the cheeks of a lady is interesting and exciting to watch. But when the lady is ready, then any guy can do her. Which makes it routine, rather something to get excited about.

[TheVulture]

Don't be funny, it's more realistic because when you fuck girls in the ass yourself you get a lot of no when it's their first time and they are trying to adjust.

It's a way to calibrate so you go easier or back off, and then go again. It's like a dance, you move forward they say no you step back, then you go again until they are lose enough to take you all the way in.

But these are not girls taking it in the ass for the first time, are they?

That scene of Eveline Dellai you mentioned specifically. Her first time of taking it in the ass? Her first time from a very well-endowed black guy even?

Look. Be honest here. In another thread you mentioned that it's "hotter" when you see blood on a dildo during a girl's solo intro and here you are saying you want to hear them say "no" during scenes. You're into some edgy stuff (IMHO). That's fine though. Just own it. I just leave it to others to decide if you're the kind of customer AV/LP should really be looking to attract and whether you have the girls' long-term interests at heart.

[Starrio]

Even if someone has taken it in the ass for the first time it doesn't mean there won't be moments we're things will feel as I it was the first time. The ass closes after a certain period of time, and then there are other thresholds that can be still crossed like deeper penetration depending of the size of the new guy, doing DAP, doing TAP, even doing just DP presents a new challenge sometime, it is just not with first timers.

And yes, if you fuck girls in the ass they bleed more often than not, the tissue in the rectum is very fragile so it is easy to pop something during penetration, the only reason why you don't see it more often on videos is because they likely edit it out, but when you fuck girls in the ass in your regular life you know it's true, they bleed often, and that's why it makes it more realistic when they don't cut it in the editing of the videos, it reminds you of your actual real life experiences where it is completely normal for bleeding to happen.

[ultimo]

i tend to not like the verbal as it takes me out of the scene. I am ok with some talking but I dislike the ridiculous stuff that Sasha Grey was famous for:
"jam that huge meat stick into my fuck hole!" - strong pass from me.

[Jocke]

Yes, I want the girls to just say what they have on their minds without giving it much thought. I hate the "Oh My God" screams for every stroke.

I believe girls who are really into it, like Cherry Kiss or Stacy Bloom, would automatically say sexy stuff because that is just how they are.

Starrio continuing with his sadistic rape fantasies makes me wanna puke, but that is probably what he wants.

[Starrio]

You are making shit up, nothing remotely close to rape has been said.

[Starrio]

Not that there is anything wrong with rape fantasies, but what has been discussed doesn't come even close to that.

[TheVulture]

What you do though is conceal your slightly dark fantasies behind a more acceptable wording, eg girls saying "no" during scenes is "realistic", blood on dildos is "hotter" and again somehow linked to a realism/innocence on the girls' part, ie resembling their formative experiences of anal sex - nothing to do with you having an unhealthy desire to see them suffer physical harm for your enjoyment. I would have much more respect for you if you just owned these dark fantasies rather than trying to present them as normal porn consumption. If you enjoy seeing girls saying "no" (which you've admitted) I think it is quite reasonable of Jocke to accuse you of having (male) rape fantasies. Similarly by finding it "hot" when you see blood on a dildo that a girl has been using, I have no issues in stating that you don't have the best interests of the girls at heart and are someone that the porn industry should not be catering for if it wants to have a productive future with the well-being of its performers to the forefront (which I assume it does). What exactly about that do you take issue with and why?

[101mike101]

.... eg girls saying "no" during scenes is "realistic"....

Women say 'No' to guys far more often, than they say 'yes'. But a lot of the time, a woman's 'No' is temporary and conditional. If you fulfill the woman's requirements and follow her rules, then she will often change her 'No' to 'Yes'. And then you get to nail the hot chick with your dick.

A good example of this are porn-stars themselves. They do it for money and perhaps for some personal fun too. So, they say 'No', until and unless their conditions are fulfilled. And once they get what they want, then they change their 'No' to 'Yes'. And the guys get to nail their nice asses.

So, a temporary and a conditional 'No' is very realistic, and it happens in real life all the time. And it can work well in porn too as a kind of delay that builds up the lust and the tension, before guys get to have their way.

The problem with porn nowadays is that you almost never see the lady say 'Yes' to guys explicitly. Nobody says anything, and they just do it. So, there is always a little bit of doubt about how voluntary the lady's sex is, especially when she is not in control. And saying 'Yes' doesn't quite make sense, unless there is a 'No' that precedes it.

I think porn would be a lot more realistic, if the lady said 'No' at first and then changed her mind and said 'Yes' as a result of her rules and conditions being fulfilled. Because that's how it usually works in real life. And that's how it works in porn too. But it happens behind the scenes, and it's hidden from the viewer.

I think an explicit 'Yes' from the lady, after she has been saying 'No' for a while, can be very hot and liberating for the guy. Because such explicitness eliminates all doubt and insecurity on the guy's part. He can just enjoy doing it with the lady, without worrying that the lady might be unsure about it and tell him to stop at any time.

When the guy's agreement with the lady is explicit and beyond doubt, then the guy can just focus on enjoying it with the lady, without worrying about anything else. It's a way to make sex less stressful and more relaxing for the guy. And showing something like this in porn would make it more hot too. Because this isn't just realistic. It's also empowering for the guy to nail the hot chick with his dick.

[Jocke]

There are a lot of porn where women express their wishes. I enjoy Mike Adriano talking with the girls and their responses are always enthusiastic. There is some scripted shit but most of the time it is obvious that the girls are having a great experience.

I enjoy the expression in girls faces when they get a tongue in their arse and think, that is rude but I like it and blush because they so obviously are enjoying something naughty. I totally dislike fear or discomfort.

[TheVulture]

Women say 'No' to guys far more often, than they say 'yes'. But a lot of the time, a woman's 'No' is temporary and conditional. If you fulfill the woman's requirements and follow her rules, then she will often change her 'No' to 'Yes'. And then you get to nail the hot chick with your dick.

A good example of this are porn-stars themselves. They do it for money and perhaps for some personal fun too. So, they say 'No', until and unless their conditions are fulfilled. And once they get what they want, then they change their 'No' to 'Yes'. And the guys get to nail their nice asses.

So, a temporary and a conditional 'No' is very realistic, and it happens in real life all the time. And it can work well in porn too as a kind of delay that builds up the lust and the tension, before guys get to have their way.

The problem with porn nowadays is that you almost never see the lady say 'Yes' to guys explicitly. Nobody says anything, and they just do it. So, there is always a little bit of doubt about how voluntary the lady's sex is, especially when she is not in control. And saying 'Yes' doesn't quite make sense, unless there is a 'No' that precedes it.

I think porn would be a lot more realistic, if the lady said 'No' at first and then changed her mind and said 'Yes' as a result of her rules and conditions being fulfilled. Because that's how it usually works in real life. And that's how it works in porn too. But it happens behind the scenes, and it's hidden from the viewer.

I think an explicit 'Yes' from the lady, after she has been saying 'No' for a while, can be very hot and liberating for the guy. Because such explicitness eliminates all doubt and insecurity on the guy's part. He can just enjoy doing it with the lady, without worrying that the lady might be unsure about it and tell him to stop at any time.

When the guy's agreement with the lady is explicit and beyond doubt, then the guy can just focus on enjoying it with the lady, without worrying about anything else. It's a way to make sex less stressful and more relaxing for the guy. And showing something like this in porn would make it more hot too. Because this isn't just realistic. It's also empowering for the guy to nail the hot chick with his dick.

But you're comparing porn with real life sex when IMHO porn is never trying to imitate or represent "normal" sex and nor should it.

When you watch porn you have a sort of dual psychological thing going on, which is on the one hand hoping that what you see does what normal (ie non-porn) films do in the sense of allowing you to suspend your disbelief that what you're seeing is staged and that you just happen to be a chance voyeur of something incredibly naughty and exciting. However, at the same time you're always acutely aware that these are indeed consenting adults carrying out (usually) hardcore sex acts in a safe environment. Those 2 things are not contradictory, even though on the face of it they appear to be.

In other words, when porn works you will (sort of) forget that it is porn. Not actually or consciously but on a sub-conscious sort of level, which is enough to genuinely engage with it and thus enjoy it. It's exactly the same thing as knowing that Daniel Craig isn't actually a secret agent and if he jumps off a building or whatever he isn't in any genuine danger but at the same time being able to enjoy watching that through a lens of (artificially) believing both things to be the case.

Now, if a girl says "no" in a porn scene then the above parameters have been breached. Something has gone wrong, sort of akin to Daniel Craig looking at the screen and saying "That was just a film stunt" after his character has jumped from the building. It shouldn't ordinarily be there. The only real way you could buy into it is if like Starrio you enjoy that specific depiction of sex and the producers are specifically trying to represent that. But the point is that in a general sense that should not happen. The director should shout "cut" and that section be edited out.

It sounds like again you have your own niche ideas of what you would like porn to represent and that is fine but you shouldn't mistake that with the idea that porn should be looking to be "realistic" and include mistakes, positions of discomfort etc. That's like saying that the finished Bond film should include lots of takes where lines were misread or stunts went slightly awry. It shouldn't. Those are just necessary mistakes requiring adjustments towards the finished product. Porn is no different. Of course a girl shouldn't say "no" during a general porn scene and of course most people don't want to see lots of repositioning towards the comfortable positions. They just want to see lots of "yes" and the happy deceit that all of the positions the performers ever put themselves in were comfortable. And there is nothing wrong with that, because it is not documentary but fantasy.

Anyway, massive kudos to Starrio for turning what was a positive thread about the girls and eliciting more personality and verve from them into an analysis of the dark recesses of his mind and dry discussion about the general nature of porn. Quite some feat.

[Starrio]

What you do though is conceal your slightly dark fantasies behind a more acceptable wording, eg girls saying "no" during scenes is "realistic", blood on dildos is "hotter" and again somehow linked to a realism/innocence on the girls' part, ie resembling their formative experiences of anal sex - nothing to do with you having an unhealthy desire to see them suffer physical harm for your enjoyment. I would have much more respect for you if you just owned these dark fantasies rather than trying to present them as normal porn consumption. If you enjoy seeing girls saying "no" (which you've admitted) I think it is quite reasonable of Jocke to accuse you of having (male) rape fantasies. Similarly by finding it "hot" when you see blood on a dildo that a girl has been using, I have no issues in stating that you don't have the best interests of the girls at heart and are someone that the porn industry should not be catering for if it wants to have a productive future with the well-being of its performers to the forefront (which I assume it does). What exactly about that do you take issue with and why?

You are making shit up at always leading to wrong conclusions not grounded in reality. Not that it matters.

[101mike101]

... if a girl says "no" in a porn scene then the above parameters have been breached ....

I've seen an old porn-movie, made a long time ago, where the lady was going to do a DAP with two guys. They did some fooling around at first. And then one of the guys said to the other, "Alright! Let's take her ass."

And the lady hearing this yelled at them, "Wait a minute! I'm not ready yet!" She masturbated her clit a bit, rearranged her pussy-lips, and only then assumed the doggy position for them to take her nice ass.

I really liked her anal afterwards. She played a little hard to get. Which made her hotter to watch in her anal debauch.

Playing hard to get actually works. Because people value more that which is hard to get. A lady playing hard to get with guys can make it hotter for porn-fans. But she needs to play it just right. Because if she does it too much or for too long, then she might discourage her guys and her fans.

So, instead of an outright 'No'. The lady should yell at the guys and cause a short delay, before she lets them have their way. This works in porn just as well as in real life. And it's entirely possible for a lady not to be fully ready even in a porn-scene. There is nothing strange or wrong about doing this in porn.

[MakeSheGape]

https://mobile.[spam].com/kxtten_x?lang=en

she english she speak very dirty lots!!!!!

[nelson_sanchez]

https://mobile.[spam].com/kxtten_x?lang=en

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she english she speak very dirty lots!!!!!

she is very nice and do talk dirty, she is not an ahh ohh ohh ahh, mute lady. but it is more than just dirty talk that needs to be implemented, all scenes are just about the same. has someone watch (easy 1978) watch the part were the lady knocks on the door and youll see how far ahead and so far behaind todays producers are. i konw that making 70s movies is not posible but you can recreate many scenes or adapt them to today standars.

[nelson_sanchez]

this is for GZ and GG
Easy 1978
This movie was my favorite Porn movie when it came out. Jessie St James was HOT and was very good in this film. I disagree with the reviewer's statements above about her not being realistic in the movie. The movie is a porn movie - NOT one that is made with acting and writing skills in the forefront of the movie industry. To make negative comments about the acting or the erotic value of the scenes based on the "lack of acting ability or storyline" is ridiculous. This movie was enjoyable and for porn lovers is a MUST-SEE in my book.

Jessie St James made several adult movies in her time and was worth seeing in each of them. If viewers are looking for an adult movie that has a "story line" that is believable and realistic, I think they are kidding themselves about what adult movies are all about.

If you like women that are attractive and exciting to watch and you like to see them having sex with men that are attractive and fit the bill of the story, then this is a good choice for you.