Is it just me or has the porn industry gone downhill?

[Jack_Jackal43]

Lately I find myself less and less interested in porn. Very rarely I find it interesting or arousing. Most of the girls in Europe all look the same. What is seen as ‘hot-selling’ today, a few years ago we’d say she’s a meth addict. The American porn scene isn’t better either. They have some beautiful girls, but watching their scenes is like watching a standard sex scene in a movie. High production but very boring.

There are no superstars anymore. Girls come in for a few scenes, then go back to camwhoring or quit altogether. They also don’t look like they push themselves in scenes. That’s not completely their fault. It’s the director or male actor’s duty to push them too. It seems they are afraid to do so these days. I think we all know why

Hell even Japanese porn used to be watchable and interesting.

Anyways, I just wanted to let this rant out because in the last few months my passion for porn has never been lower. I wonder if you guys feel the same or it’s just me.

[dap-addict]

Just strikes me that this post comes the day of Megan Venturi's come-back!
Add all the rookies scouted by our Russian studios.

[sexaddict251]

I feel the same way...

[Paizal]

Lately I find myself less and less interested in porn.

I feel the same way - but it applies to both US and EU porn.

US Porn has become extremely boring over the years. Skinny generic girls and the worst male talent pool since years. Mini cocks and limp dicks everywhere.

EU Porn is more exciting in that respect and also has much better guys. Unfortunately, for the past 1-2 years, I find the girls rather unattractive. Skin & bones and / or full body tattoos. I like women who have breasts and a booty....not the upper body of a 10 year old boy.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

For me, it is just you...

[101mike101]

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EU Porn is more exciting in that respect and also has much better guys. Unfortunately, for the past 1-2 years, I find the girls rather unattractive. Skin & bones and / or full body tattoos. I like women who have breasts and a booty....not the upper body of a 10 year old boy.

I also feel that many ladies in porn nowadays are too thin. They should gain some weight, and it's not that difficult to do.

There is such a thing as being too thin. Because both extreme thinness and extreme obesity are unhealthy. Healthy is in the middle. And healthy is what looks most attractive, at least it does to me.

My kind of a lady is Candice Dare:

[TheVulture]

I think it has. It isn't a zero sum/binary kind of thing in that everything has gotten worse but on balance I think the cons of modern vs older (let's say noughties era) outweigh the pros.

I've been looking at a lot of my older stuff lately as I'm so turned off the current aggressive porn style (eg throat-grabbing, face-slapping, arm-twisting etc.) and whilst it's very much like flavourless chewing gum now due to over-familiarity, I've been able for the first time I think to compare it with the more recent stuff and get an idea of what has changed.

The thing that strikes me most about the older scenes is that whilst they're much shorter and nowhere near as hard (generally you get that build up from BJ to pussy to maybe 5-10 mins of anal/DP if you're lucky) there is infinitely more heat coming from the screen. The performers you can tell we're generally into each other back then and crucially the guys (even the quite experienced ones) were very obviously virile. Part of the reason for the shorter scenes then is likely that the guys couldn't hold out much longer. This is something sorely lacking from modern porn, which has raised the bar in terms of the strength of content (straight-to-anal as standard is something I was immensely grateful for when first discovering LP, like a "Hallelujah!" thing) but has done so by massively compromising on chemistry. Now there isn't really even any pretence of the guys being excited at fucking these incredibly gorgeous and horny young girls in all of their holes. At face value that's absurd but to some extent I sympathise with them. They're clearly overworked and you obviously can have too much of a good thing. It's the fault of the porn stables ultimately.

The big question really is if anything will ever change again. As long as the rougher and more mechanical stuff sells I guess there will be little need for it to. I do certainly hope that many others are drawing the same conclusions as me though and keeping their hands in their pocket (I have a small number of recent scenes I may punt on at some point but my trust level is low).

For quite a while I assumed that my discontent was just down to me getting older and being overly familiar with the genre (you're never gonna be as excited seeing hardcore porn in your 40s as you were when you first saw it at 21 or whatever, of course). I think it's a bit of that but at least as much to do with the lack of heat and genuine lust from the guys on screen, which just reduces it to production line fodder however good looking the girls are and however big their sexual appetites. I need to see modern porn get its mojo back and start making scenes with studs and girls fucking as though the cameras were off and naturally without any male dom rubbish that just makes it look like niche theatre and reduces the girls to props for the guys' own amusement and to enhance their fragile egos.

This isn't all aimed at LP/AV, it is all porn and many other sites are even worse in these regards (although perhaps not the scene over-saturation). To it's credit, LP/AV at least has a forum that allows these issues to be raised. Hopefully market forces might play a part in necessitating a change of tack from the industry. For those of us wanting to see change, that's probably our only hope.

[Jocke]

I think it is fatigue of the viewer.
Remember when we waited years for the next Bond movie or the next Indiana Jones?
We had the time to build up expectations and sure the new movie was more intense and with more action than before.
Today many of us? watch new porn scenes everyday or every other day and we expect novelty every time.
I must say that I am impressed, considering the limitations of variation possible in having sex, how much innovation we get and how our interest have been kept up.
I think we will be entertained for a long time to come but try to restrict yourself to maybe half as much porn watching and double the pleasure while watching?
Eating tournedos everyday is boring.

[Jack_Jackal43]

Just strikes me that this post comes the day of Megan Venturi's come-back!
Add all the rookies scouted by our Russian studios.

The fact that you have to rely on an old talent to be excited proves my point. Also, what did she do in that scene that we haven’t seen before? What incentive is there to spend 8 tks on this scene when I can spend less on her older scenes which have the same and even better content?

And btw this argument isn’t just about LP/AV, it’s about the whole industry.

[Jocke]

I bought the Megan scene just to encourage more of her. I hope for a "Pee between girls" scene or even better a Pee on males scene.

[Starrio]

You need to check your testosterone, it could be low. Low testosterone basically kills libido.

I see Moona Snake, I see Kaira Love, I see Taylor Dark, I see Miriam More, I see Francesca Palma, I see Jessica Night, I see Blaze, I see Sarah Simons, etc., etc., and my cock grows immediately. Those are buttholes I want to be in and never get out.

You see a cute face like Silvia Soprano and all you want is to put your dick in her mouth. Having the opportunity to see these girls getting gangbanged in the ass is something I can never complain for.

[Jack_Jackal43]

You need to check your testosterone, it could be low. Low testosterone basically kills libido.

I see Moona Snake, I see Kaira Love, I see Taylor Dark, I see Miriam More, I see Francesca Palma, I see Jessica Night, I see Blaze, I see Sarah Simons, etc., etc., and my cock grows immediately. Those are buttholes I want to be in and never get out.

You see a cute face like Silvia Soprano and all you want is to put your dick in her mouth. Having the opportunity to see these girls getting gangbanged in the ass is something I can never complain for.

It’s not libido I can assure you . That’s not the point though. 95% of the porn I find arousing is older than 3 years. I could watch Ria Sunn’s scenes over and over and I would never get tired of them.

[Starrio]

It could also be a symptom of porn love.

Basically the brain doesn't know the difference between reality and imagination.

Like when you remember a bad experience you feel it as it is happening in the moment.

A lot of porn users claim they experience lust for certain performers similar to sexual crushes.

What happens is that if you jerk off thinking you are coming inside Maddy Black for example, just to say a name, and you keep doing that, your brain assumes you actually had sex with her already. It doesn't know it is porn.

And your body is designed to elicit chemicals in your brain of excitement, similar to those you experience with a real sexual partner.

So if you jerk off thinking of your platonic love whether is porn or someone you know in real life, your brain will make you feel she is your women.

And every time you eyaculate your brain thinks she possibly could be pregnant, so you will start feeling some level of attachment for her because she could be carrying your baby inside, and now is your responsibility to be alert for her.

This all happens at a subconscious level, you are not really consciously aware of it. So the feelings you have for some girls, you may not be feeling for others.

At the same time you have to remember that as a man you can impregnate multiple women, so you can experience the same thing with multiple women, and be the same group you has masturbated with multiple times.

So you may be attached to them and not be open to go through that level of investment subconsciously with newer girls, unless they remind you of the ones you already have attachments for.

[dap-addict]

Just strikes me that this post comes the day of Megan Venturi's come-back!
Add all the rookies scouted by our Russian studios.

The fact that you have to rely on an old talent to be excited proves my point. Also, what did she do in that scene that we haven’t seen before? What incentive is there to spend 8 tks on this scene when I can spend less on her older scenes which have the same and even better content?

Its not about old talent. For me it was clear that day that I want to check how Megan Venturi looks performing and performs the sex thrown at her by that GIO script after 1 year break.
The fact she hasn't performed for 1y made her double attractive. But ofc I would also have checked out a completely new girl getting same sex thrown at.

Question that day was spend 8tkt on Megan or spend 16tkt because there is also a new girl I wanna check out getting DAP-ed. That day I actually also got the new Austrian girl NiciXDream. Thus basically meant 16tkt to spend. But NiciXDream's scene didnt really catch my requirements.

[hardanalfan]

I don't know why yuo are all complaint. You have biggest choice ever and biggest number of girls to watch. True problems is that porn can't satisfied our passion; only satisfied real sex and girls; porn only make addiction and masturbation problems.

[Starrio]

It could still be low testosterone, just because it responds with girls he is used to masturbate with, it doesn't mean it will respond with new girls. He still needs to check his testosterone levels.

[TheVulture]

So if I just boosted my testosterone levels I'd suddenly be aroused by seeing Alpha males grabbing slender girl's throats, slapping them on the face and twisting their arms, would I? And watching tired, borderline-hateful studs like Neeo, Angelo Godshack, Luca Ferrero etc. punching the clock through a 1 hour scene (whilst putting some physical power moves on the girls throughout, natch) would suddenly be a lustful and exciting experience, would it? No. In both cases the answer is no.

Porn isn't just about the physical. A great deal of it is about your brain receptors and how they are triggered by what you see on screen (and sometimes simply the anticipation of what you're hoping/expecting to see a la "Pavlov's Dog"). For sure, enjoyment of porn will inevitably decrease a little as you grow older (I already addressed that in my last post) and much of that will be down to physicality as well as over-familiarity with the concept but the one and only thing that will guarantee a lack of physical response is not seeing that which turns you on (or seeing that which does not turn you on, essentially the same thing). You could be an Alpha male stud in your early 20s and you're not gonna be turned on by the sight of something you don't find arousing, are you?

Yet again Starrio dresses up his own liking of modern porn in the form of a "straw man" attack on those who don't. As ever it is deeply unconvincing.

[Starrio]

Stop your political bushit.

He is talking about how girls look.

[Jack_Jackal43]

It could also be a symptom of porn love.

Basically the brain doesn't know the difference between reality and imagination.

Like when you remember a bad experience you feel it as it is happening in the moment.

A lot of porn users claim they experience lust for certain performers similar to sexual crushes.

What happens is that if you jerk off thinking you are coming inside Maddy Black for example, just to say a name, and you keep doing that, your brain assumes you actually had sex with her already. It doesn't know it is porn.

And your body is designed to elicit chemicals in your brain of excitement, similar to those you experience with a real sexual partner.

So if you jerk off thinking of your platonic love whether is porn or someone you know in real life, your brain will make you feel she is your women.

And every time you eyaculate your brain thinks she possibly could be pregnant, so you will start feeling some level of attachment for her because she could be carrying your baby inside, and now is your responsibility to be alert for her.

This all happens at a subconscious level, you are not really consciously aware of it. So the feelings you have for some girls, you may not be feeling for others.

At the same time you have to remember that as a man you can impregnate multiple women, so you can experience the same thing with multiple women, and be the same group you has masturbated with multiple times.

So you may be attached to them and not be open to go through that level of investment subconsciously with newer girls, unless they remind you of the ones you already have attachments for.

This made me laugh xD. It’s not some deep psychological problem. It’s just that porn has peaked. How do you explain the fact that I still enjoy Mina’s older scenes more than her newer scenes? It’s still the same girl, she still looks the same. I can say the same about almost every girl. The girls who are still around, their scenes were way better a few years ago.

[Starrio]

If that's not it, then it's a case of erectile dysfunction, it is the only explanation, the fact you need a certain type of psychological specific type of stimulus to get it up means there is erectile dysfunction present.

If that wasn't the case you can cover Mina on mud and she would still get you hard by just looking at her like any normal guy would.

If that's the case you may need Pfizer for it, but there are other things you can do, I just won't go into detail for that, you have access to Google for that.

[Paizal]

^Maybe it's just a stronger case of porn addiction with you than with many others here.

I also don't get an erection every time I see a picture of a woman. Especially not with the many super skinny girls at LP/AV who have neither breast nor butt.

[Starrio]

That's weird. I see a woman my dick goes hard. It could be what you are eating.

Or maybe you guys need to even things out.

I watch a lot of porn, but I also go to strip clubs all the time, and I work as a photographer shooting nude women.

Then at least once a year I also take trips to other countries where I fuck a shit tone of women, some escorts, and others just single women wanting to have fun.

I'm also soon to be engaged.

You guys need to even things out, if all you do is porn maybe that's what's holding you back.

[TheVulture]

Stop your political bushit.

Is this even serious?

Can you explain what was political about my input?

[TheVulture]

That's weird. I see a woman my dick goes hard.

Well there you go then. You're obviously not the best person to contribute to a topic on the quality or otherwise of current porn then, are you?

Have you ever thought that the issue here might be you and not others? That you might have, like, too much testosterone?

[Starrio]

You are taking that out of context.

Every time I'm taking pictures my dick is hard because the girl is naked in front of me.

If you have a gorgeous girl naked in front of you and your dick isn't hard that's not normal.

And about testosterone, weren't you the one complaining because Oliver Trunk groans?

Groaning is just how men moan, it's just how you release steam when you fuck.

He is not anger, he is just enjoying himself like any healthy man.

[Paizal]

Then at least once a year I also take trips to other countries where I fuck a shit tone of women, some escorts, and others just single women wanting to have fun.

I'm also soon to be engaged.

And this is where your story starts to become implausible.

[Starrio]

Well I'm not engaged yet, I just bought the ring. I'm not even sure I'm going to propose. The plan is to take a vacation and see if we work together.

About single women wanting to have fun and escorts, that's just how it is down there. To be fair I don't spend on escorts here in the States because they are insanely overpriced. I only did it once and I probably would not do it again when you can get it so much cheaper elsewhere.

[TheVulture]

And about testosterone, weren't you the one complaining because Oliver Trunk groans?

No. No I wasn't. I "complained" about him being an angry thug, nothing to do with moaning. You're getting a little confused again methinks.

[TheVulture]

You also haven't explained how my analysis of current porn is "political".

[fredflehoux]

The american side of porn has sunk pretty drastically, what use to be most of my porn consumption has turned into just a few scenes a years. I think because the sex culture is more taboo and crazy feminism is more rampant, the industry just staled itself.
Amazing pornstar like Riley Reid, Karma Rx, Katrina Jade, with her amazing new tits. They just do boring AF onlyfan content for their army of simps now... milking them with the same 3 pose dildoing vids with sweetalking bullshit that i don't understand someone with an ounce of dignity can fall for. It's sad tbh. But hey, Don't wonder why LP is such a big site, who's buying the whole porn internet..

[Starrio]

About the political stuff you have tone it down a bit, and that's good, you went from accusing LP of violating women's rights to saying you don't like manhandle, that's some serious progress. I have to give you that. But you still want porn most people don't want and that's why I always advise you to go elsewhere where you can find it.

[dap-addict]

The american side of porn has sunk pretty drastically, what use to be most of my porn consumption has turned into just a few scenes a years.

Maybe time to try Europorn?

[fredflehoux]

The american side of porn has sunk pretty drastically, what use to be most of my porn consumption has turned into just a few scenes a years.

Maybe time to try Europorn?

I'm here for that..

[mr mystica]

I wouldn`t say it has gone "downhill". It has changed amd i don`t care too much about the change. Some people blame it on [spam], that`s lazy i think.
Internet will always change and a business needs to be smart in how it adapts to it.
I miss the russian beauties- era (approx 2006-2013) and then Putin "banned" porn and the "fucking teen beauties analy" turend into sircus sex with a football team of men on one girl. Now, in the aftermath of that sucess we see a huge mishmash out of control. In almost a year there has been just a handful of new 18yrs girls and not too many of them is equally beautiful as they used to be 10-15 years ago.
Most young beauties goes to soft porn now and it is basically about money. But also about the fact that LP owns so much now and it is almost impossible to keep up with all the different content. If i drove LP i would create different web sites for different things. Have one site for sircus sex Giorgio grandi and Gonzo) and one site for the new style from Viral Gold (a fancy version of FirstAnalQuest).

[dap-addict]

Now, in the aftermath of that sucess we see a huge mishmash out of control. In almost a year there has been just a handful of new 18yrs girls and not too many of them is equally beautiful as they used to be 10-15 years ago.

Still many of those Russian 18yo are actually pretty beautiful in my book, especially if I extend to 19yo.
But for sure JM turning to recruiting mainly for Tushy and Vixxen instead of hardcore anal porn sites like she did before was a game changer. They managed to buy her and that's a big asset for softcore and a big loss for hardcore porn.
I think in terms of scouting and export this is the only real change.
Export from Russia itself is just resuming finally.

[RUShersgapersrises]

Well, there is more similar topics in recently times...
There are a lot of things on which can to respond.I'll try it somehow in one post without quotes, so sorry for some disorderness. Firsly its easy to answer - "if you don't like it dont watch it". I essentially agree with that but from a slightly different angle. Basic philosophy is ALWAYS support what you like than criticize what you don't like.
Next thing is some domino effect. It's like with drugs. As time goes by people get numb and need ever larger doses. This will be reflected in types or genres which are most sold. Some "new trends" are sick and disgusting for me and I skip it, but still there are few or more great sequences which worth for it and finally buy it. So the industry develop and reflect and nowadays still younger and younger girls go shoot the most hard scenes and do more and more aggressively. I trust that some girls which decide about to start shooting here after view some vids don't go for it.
Next thing is the gils are thin or addicted on something. I agree with that. Some or more of them trully take something, but anyway even if not, they're just too emaciated and i dont like it a lot.
Next thing is the passion and enthusiasm of older scenes which was shorter and without shear.Also agree here and think that massively ussing of chemistry going to stereotyped machine fucking and cold vacantly acting and on the contrary, there is no chemistry between persons. Agree with conclusion of TheVulture,thanks for valuable post and I don't think anything will change and you need a certain distance.
Next thing, there is the good from Starrio that when you play an experience in your head, it's basically like you're going to experience it again.It is necessary to pay attention to this especially at the bad ones.
Last thing is missing russian beauties era. I also consider that like a best times. I think that it was a little later than 2006 and not all was so beauty, but perform great and with lot of passion and fervor and mainly shows many nice gapes. These girls are today on webcams and whether "Putin "banned" porn and the "fucking teen beauties analy" - yes or not its more comfortable for them and less risky.
As I said not here for criticism and I hope there will be no some misunderstandings.

[avanfurwet]

^ I don't think there's anything truly new in human sexual behaviour or the porn that reflects it. Therefore IMO porn has not become more extreme, but digital delivery and endemic piracy has made all porn, including extreme content, massively more available than ever before to people who previously would not have had the means to access it.

But just because extreme content is more easily available, doesn't automatically mean every porn consumer will gravitate towards it.

Some will. Some become desensitised, jaded and addicted, and seek ever increasing stimulation. For a few, it's a journey into darkness that ends with gory bdsm and fantasies about rape and death. For some the journey is less radical, but they will develop more extreme tastes over time.

But not everyone. People's responses to porn vary with many factors including personality, mental health, social integration or lack of it, resilience (or lack of it) to cope with stresses and frustrations in life. Not every male is an incel failure fantasising about hurting females because he can't get a girlfriend.

Similarly, not everyone who watches a horror movie descends into madness and starts raping and murdering people, or even fantasises about it.

Similarly, not everyone who drinks alcohol declines into alcoholism. Many people have a fairly healthy and social relationship with alcohol.

There is huge market for "mainstream" porn. I think most consumers never develop a taste for the most extreme material.

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I don't think porn fans generally are competent to judge whether models are too skinny, or anorexic, or taking chemicals.

Some models may be, since the mainstream porn market is skewed towards a consumer preference for young and skinny models, and some women in porn, as in life, may be a little wild and some may take chemicals.

Fans can only judge whether they personally like the look of a model, and if not, pass by and go enjoy some other models.

[101mike101]

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But just because extreme content is more easily available, doesn't automatically mean every porn consumer will gravitate towards it. ....

You don't know what you like, until you try it. A lot of people have the potential and an inclination to like this or that. But their potential won't be realized, until and unless they become exposed to it.

I know this from my own experience. My first exposure to porn was pussy-only porn. And I was perfectly happy with that. Big tits and pussy-porn was my thing. But then I accidentally ended up watching some anal porn in a porn compilation. And once I was exposed to anal porn, then slowly but surely I became an anal porn-fan. And now I want to see every hot chick take anal dick. Because the hot lady isn't slutty enough, if she does only pussy stuff.

People don't just gravitate on their own. They need to try things and be exposed to things to be able to gravitate towards this or that. Or else, people just have a potential that neither they nor anybody else knows about. And their potential never gets realized.

I probably would've still been a big tits and pussy fan, if I was never exposed to anal porn. But me being exposed to DAP, pissing, and other such stuff doesn't change me in any way. Because I have no potential to like it, and being exposed to it doesn't change me in any way.

It's like a heterosexual being exposed to gay porn. If the heterosexual has no potential to like it, then being exposed to it won't do anything for him.

But judging whether people are too thin or too fat, or just right is something that's common sense for most people. Because it's related to health and good looks, and everybody needs to make this kinds of judgment to choose a partner and to know whom to like in porn. The default is good judgment in such matters. But such judgement can be impaired by mental health disorders, such Anorexia Nervosa or something like that.

[sexaddict251]

Those who enjoy can't enjoy Piss movies, and those who enjoy Piss can't find anal attractive.
I like wet movies, but not that interested in anal, i see it as shithole, i am worried about shit sticking in my dick, shit and fart turns me off. Do anal guys like mild shit play or fart smell? Can anyone answer?

[luotoslo69]

Lately I find myself less and less interested in porn. Very rarely I find it interesting or arousing. Most of the girls in Europe all look the same. What is seen as ‘hot-selling’ today, a few years ago we’d say she’s a meth addict. The American porn scene isn’t better either. They have some beautiful girls, but watching their scenes is like watching a standard sex scene in a movie. High production but very boring.

There are no superstars anymore. Girls come in for a few scenes, then go back to camwhoring or quit altogether. They also don’t look like they push themselves in scenes. That’s not completely their fault. It’s the director or male actor’s duty to push them too. It seems they are afraid to do so these days. I think we all know why

Hell even Japanese porn used to be watchable and interesting.

Anyways, I just wanted to let this rant out because in the last few months my passion for porn has never been lower. I wonder if you guys feel the same or it’s just me.

I agree... Today almost all scenes have extreme acts like pissing, fisting, prolapse... I think it's ok to make this scenes ocasionally, but now ALL the scenes have pissing, and other degrading acts. A lot of people don't like these extreme scenes. We want to watch some "normal" hardcore more frequently.