AN OUTSIDE VIEW & CRITIQUE OF LP/AV

[MackZatis]

Just a quick copy & paste of replies only (1st page) of a discussion on another forum, so it I'm sure it looks to all run together.
Probably wont last long before its locked or removed, as it's pretty negative for the most part. I know I wouldn't want this posted if I had control over it, so can't blame XXX or whoever...

My reason to post this is only to show that some complaints or criticism is not only the vocal minority/few but a more widely spread/held belief. Maybe just maybe it'll be heard/seen and actually taken in to consideration instead of simply ignored as the ramblings of a few forum crazies...

Without further a-do;

Just as the header says it. LP has alot of great assfuck and things i do like in porn (no pee in face though).
But still it just lack some ingredient that seems important to me. Anyone ecperiance the same thing. If so? Is it that LP is totally souless or is it just me who are strange.

Dont get me wrong, some of the LP scenes are good, but when they are it is an actor(s) who go beyond.


LP just tries too hard to be extreme to me - to the point that it's a turnoff. Watching a girl fit two dicks in her ass is a feat though, even if it's not exactly the most arousing thing to watch.

That Proxy Paige scene is pretty good though.


I love almost everything from LP.
But lately they do pissing in almost every scene which is a big turnoff for me.


You both hit the nail on the head. They are too extreme just too often. I almost always grab scenes that are only MMF. When it gets to 4 people or more, there is just too much going on. Then, I am not into pissing at all and yet it seems it is ever present. They also do too much DAP. They also do too much interracial.

They definitely scratch my itch for extreme sex, but not consistently. They simply need more balance.

I agree with the sentiment in this thread. I like watersports -- but only the women peeing -- and I like creampies -- but I'm not big into anal. LP results often turn up on search results but they just don't do it for me. The girls don't look like they're having a good time. I'd like someone filled up with cum, squirting/pissing everywhere, and genuinely having an orgasm. LP mostly seems to feature prolapsed anuses...

LP sucks but it's hard to figure out why. The performers are just going through the motions and it's usually boring.

I have literally no idea why gangbangs, and legalporno in general, do this DP position where the vagina fucking dude is literally facing the back of the assfucking dude. But they spend minute after minute taking turns, rotating in these rather odd positions. The two cocks up the arse with the two guys on the floor with legs entwined. Not for me.

Nor the enormous waste of time wasted on pissing.

They should just concentrate on fucking. A simple spit-roast with decent balls deep fucking either end would be quite refreshing. Half the time, they spend it playing Twister.

Agreed, on paper it should tick boxes, but somehow misses some fundamental element.

I hear they use a numbing agent to achieve those ridiculous DAP/TAPs. Perhaps we subconsciously see through the fake reaction to penetration.

Perhaps the release frequency has something to do with it. An abundance of something seems to devalue it, and they release so many scenes.

That said, some scenes do work. So always keep my eye out for something stand-out.

The thing with LP is that most of the girls they get it's their first few scenes. So as much as I would enjoy them getting fully degraded by taking 10 BBC up the ass.
If it's their first scene are they actually being degraded or they just dirty whores to begin with :dunno:

4 or more performers and I'm usually not interested unless the girl is exceptional.

Vicki Chase, Scarlet Domingo, Veronica Leal... But still overall LP tends to be boring even when the girl is my type. Compare it to Hookuphotshot or Adriano's stuff, and LP suuuucks

Revisit the older scenes from them. They are trying hard to stay fresh and keep from just putting out the same scenes over and over again, and I think they've jumped the shark.

That excessively white room kills it for me. It feels like a spaceship in a cheap sci-fi movie.

Yep. It's.. mechanical. No class, no chemistry, no 'art'. Just dicks going in holes. No human element.

To me, all the performers look bored, the males struggle to stay hard and the girls just want it to be over. It's no fun, basically, just sad. No-one seems to be having a good time, or even pretending to be. It's like a factory. Some sad Soviet hangover meat factory.

I'm nostalgic for the golden age of Rocco etc, where there's laughter, good vibes and a playful nature with at least a pretence of honest reaction. And someone behind the camera with some idea what they're doing.

Maybe I'm idealistic, but at least try to put people in a good mood. That's the difference for me. The fun factor. And some effort into making something entertaining as a product.

LP doesn't even try, just another day at the office for everyone, humans rubbing genitals, like a fucking biology lesson. Couldn't be less arousing, despite the physical attractiveness of the performers. They are literally like fucking zombies, and a massive waste of potential. That's what pisses me off. Not that I've ever paid for it, just wasted time watching it :sorry: And the camerawork, jesus..

Technical and artisanal uselessness despite having all the all the ingredients for something great is LP's huge disappointment for me.

Such a fucking waste. Literally. Sorry to be so negative :sad:


It's almost completely souless.

Great Samantha Bentley scene with Nacho though.


Yep. It's.. mechanical. No class, no chemistry, no 'art'. Just dicks going in holes. No human element.

To me, all the performers look bored, the males struggle to stay hard and the girls just want it to be over. It's no fun, basically, just sad. No-one seems to be having a good time, or even pretending to be. It's like a factory. Some sad Soviet hangover meat factory.

I'm nostalgic for the golden age of Rocco etc, where there's laughter, good vibes and a playful nature with at least a pretence of honest reaction. And someone behind the camera with some idea what they're doing.

Maybe I'm idealistic, but at least try to put people in a good mood. That's the difference for me. The fun factor. And some effort into making something entertaining as a product.

LP doesn't even try, just another day at the office for everyone, humans rubbing genitals, like a fucking biology lesson. Couldn't be less arousing, despite the physical attractiveness of the performers. They are literally like fucking zombies, and a massive waste of potential. That's what pisses me off. Not that I've ever paid for it, just wasted time watching it :sorry: And the camerawork, jesus..

Technical and artisanal uselessness despite having all the all the ingredients for something great is LP's huge disappointment for me.

Such a fucking waste. Literally. Sorry to be so negative :sad:

This should pretty much be the end of this thread.

LP is a masterclass on how to take hot, talented girls and guys with huge dicks and make it boring/unpleasant with a lot of "going through the motions" and piss everywhere.

It's all been named already in this thread. Mechanical. Soulless. Boring. No chemistry. I would add formulaic to that list. It's like watching people go to work in the coal mines. Everybody involved would rather be somewhere else, nobody's having fun. Or even vaguely cares.

Nice to read your replies and i must agree to almost everything, 2 dicks in the ass, really needed? pee on girl? what for?

I will try to reply most of the post´s but without quoting......

1. extreme, yes, but thats normally good isnt it? but again, we dont need two dicks in the ass. who really does that?

2. pissing sux..

3. Too extreme to often might be a clue, at least for me. I love it when a girl is extreme, not the scene. and yes DAP or even more is again totally off. As well as pee.

4, In not either very excited about 4 or more guys but in some scenes it triggers me. Kind of like the girl are so horny that she dont care anymore scenario, but LP aint giving me that.

5. old scenes, will check it out,

6. some bodies are built for white rooms, some are built for a dirty ally :-)

7. "I'm nostalgic for the golden age of Rocco etc, where there's laughter, good vibes and a playful nature with at least a pretence of honest reaction. And someone behind the camera with some idea what they're doing.

Maybe I'm idealistic, but at least try to put people in a good mood. That's the difference for me. The fun factor. And some effort into making something entertaining as a product."

Yea! Its nice to see the personality of the girl, even if its fake in many ways. Girls who love what they are doing tends to shine and spread it all over the scenes they are making.

8. "This should pretty much be the end of this thread." I think i have to agree to this one

Conclusion. They have all the tools but use them in a generic way. They have beautiful ladies but fail to bring their personality out.

Conclusion two. It was better before ;-)

I'm glad you guys agree with me.

Sadly, I don't think LP will take our constructive criticism on board :laugh:

It's all sterile and soulless, and... corporate?

It feels like they're optimizing for hardcore-ness, like how much dick they can fit on the screen, while making the sex feel like it's just a conveyor belt of penises into an orifice.

I swear I've never seen a single person look like they're enjoying themselves. They punch the clock, the pussy/ass/mouth, then gtfo.




The lighting and camera angles in LP somehow make the actresses less attractive than they could be. If the actress is a 7 then LP made them look like a 5. x-art on the other hand can make the same 7 actress look like a 8 or 9. Ideally I would like the LP action sequences be shot like x-art.

Maybe because it's a mish-mash of everything, all at once?

The odds that any viewer wants to see all of the extreme things they put into almost every scene are low. Every time you add another fetish, you alienate another viewer, at least a little bit.

Legalporno is looking for a Venn diagram of viewer who wants: heavily tattoed girls, gangbanged, having anal-sex, with copious amounts of gaping and butt-fisting, piss-play, drippy make-up, borderline violent sex, and a clinical white room without any sense of reason. Toss in swallowing, which not everyone is into, skinny girls, which not everyone is into, young girls, which not everyone is into, and you're looking at like... five people on the planet who aren't turned-off by something.

It's a lot easier for a site that focuses one one or two fetishes. BlackMilfGangbang.com (fictional) is going to attract people who want to see those three things, and as long as they don't start throwing in other stuff, they'll have a solid fan-base. WhiteMilfGangbang.com will have some of the same customers, but not the same. But when you do BlackOrWhiteTeenOrMaybeMilfPublicGaggingGapingPukingPissingCryingSortOfRapeyBikerGirlSwallowDeepthroatButtstuffButttuffMoreButtstuffSometimesATranny.com you're just asking for someone to say "I love all that stuff, but the public exhibition stuff really ruined it for me."


Maybe because it's a mish-mash of everything, all at once?

The odds that any viewer wants to see all of the extreme things they put into almost every scene are low. Every time you add another fetish, you alienate another viewer, at least a little bit.

Legalporno is looking for a Venn diagram of viewer who wants: heavily tattoed girls, gangbanged, having anal-sex, with copious amounts of gaping and butt-fisting, piss-play, drippy make-up, borderline violent sex, and a clinical white room without any sense of reason. Toss in swallowing, which not everyone is into, skinny girls, which not everyone is into, young girls, which not everyone is into, and you're looking at like... five people on the planet who aren't turned-off by something.

It's a lot easier for a site that focuses one one or two fetishes. BlackMilfGangbang.com (fictional) is going to attract people who want to see those three things, and as long as they don't start throwing in other stuff, they'll have a solid fan-base. WhiteMilfGangbang.com will have some of the same customers, but not the same. But when you do BlackOrWhiteTeenOrMaybeMilfPublicGaggingGapingPukingPissingCryingSortOfRapeyBikerGirlSwallowDeepthroatButtstuffButttuffMoreButtstuffSometimesATranny.com you're just asking for someone to say "I love all that stuff, but the public exhibition stuff really ruined it for me."


4 or more performers and I'm usually not interested unless the girl is exceptional.

Vicki Chase, Scarlet Domingo, Veronica Leal... But still overall LP tends to be boring even when the girl is my type. Compare it to Hookuphotshot or Adriano's stuff, and LP suuuucks

Great taste. Wish there was more rimming on LP and less piss.


That excessively white room kills it for me. It feels like a spaceship in a cheap sci-fi movie.

100% this. They need some softer lighting. Maybe some more carpet and couches.

Too many dicks on the dance floor

This.

Legalporno/analvids often concentrates much more on "muh big massive dicks" than the actual girl. Five girls and one dick - fine. Five dicks and one girl - no thanks.

Also, the endless gangbang videos they produce feel very mechanical and samey.

all this is true.

I like the scenes with 2 girls because depending on the combination it can overwhelm all the mediocre formulaic standards they mess with. Anna DeVille, veronica leal, jureka del mar, natasha teen with just about anyone; ; natalie cherie puking on lauren philips while getting throat fucked (GIO705)....

there are some gems hidden in there. But it shouldnt be exception





Yep. It's.. mechanical. No class, no chemistry, no 'art'. Just dicks going in holes. No human element.

To me, all the performers look bored, the males struggle to stay hard and the girls just want it to be over. It's no fun, basically, just sad. No-one seems to be having a good time, or even pretending to be. It's like a factory. Some sad Soviet hangover meat factory.

I'm nostalgic for the golden age of Rocco etc, where there's laughter, good vibes and a playful nature with at least a pretence of honest reaction. And someone behind the camera with some idea what they're doing.

Maybe I'm idealistic, but at least try to put people in a good mood. That's the difference for me. The fun factor. And some effort into making something entertaining as a product.

LP doesn't even try, just another day at the office for everyone, humans rubbing genitals, like a fucking biology lesson. Couldn't be less arousing, despite the physical attractiveness of the performers. They are literally like fucking zombies, and a massive waste of potential. That's what pisses me off. Not that I've ever paid for it, just wasted time watching it :sorry: And the camerawork, jesus..

Technical and artisanal uselessness despite having all the all the ingredients for something great is LP's huge disappointment for me.

Such a fucking waste. Literally. Sorry to be so negative :sad:

i am into the rough sex and the prolapsing and all that but i cant agree more with what you said. lp just dont do it for me

can somebody explain the lure of prolapse?!

can somebody explain why it's in nearly every scene?!

I'm really glad people have started tagging it in scenes so I can skip them. They've wasted talent like Anna De Ville and Eden Ivy blowing out their asses every scene.
It's literally my only problem with them.

(and it seems like it's only certain directors)

they have some really nice alt girls who seem to ONLY work for them, unfortunately.


I’ve always thought the same thing… i like gangbangs with lots of DP, but the LP videos are always a turnoff… like, I will see a video of a star I really like, so I get excited to download it. But then I almost always skip it in the Plex rotation.

I think everyone hit the reasons in previous comments. Pissing and prolapse do not do it for me and the scenery gets boring. Like, the immorallive scenes with Porno Dan had the worst scenery in history, but still managed to be better than LP.

It's really too bad, because in 2019 that "Psycho Doctors" series was really cool.

They should have kept doing it.




For me it's sterile white rooms and excessive lighting... it's like observing a surgery in theatre.

To answer OP's question, it's because there are 10 guys in the scene when there really should only be 1.

Honestly: Every single scene is the same. Boring. Period.

This is the same story with scenes all the same with performers like sex machines. I also don't like the camera work showing only the faces and only the cock(s) penetration(s) alternatively a lot of time.


I like gangbangs and scenes with many guys, pee is alright by me too, so the extreme part is not really a turnoff but a positive for me.
Now prolapse i really dont like and im not too much into anal, and well thats the main focus of their epic, 1 hours + videos.

Extreme length make it kinda a turnoff for me cause i have to look for the 5 minutes I like in a 70 minute scene with endless positions.

Anyway, my real problem with LP is this: No talk, no interaction.
I think many times the girls dont speak English, or the guys may not speak the same language, still on a big gangbang and blowbang, its so weird to have everything in silence.

Dogfart blowbangs get pretty crazy with all the guys calling the girl names and having fun, here is lots of silence and that makes it weird for me, i love dirty talk.


I really like LP, but I also agree with some of these comments.

The girls' personalities usually come through, but the guys are robots who don't interact with the girls at all. I feel like it's because a lot of them are into each other, not the girls, but come on...

Changing up the rooms and getting rid of the guys' pissing would also be a big improvement for me.

Legal Porno has a mechanical/"going through the motions" vibe to it.
The white background & furniture only amplify this feeling.

Or maybe the constant stream of DP,DAP, TP, & DVP has bored us, since they're no longer an Event or Spectacle but just the norm.


I think the whole 'gonzo' thing contributes to the lack of feeling. Okay, no-one watches porn for the riveting plots and character development, but having some sort of scene setting can make a big difference as to whether I watch a scene or not. I like a lot of what LP does, but they could be so much better.

The lighting is horrible, the makeup is horrible, the clothes are horrible. It’s clearly made by guys who think fastest, biggest, angriest is best, rather than best is best.

Compare it to Hardcore Gangbangs on Kink. They’re not even all great but there’s a fantasy element there about the group sex. Legalporno is just “hey pornstar, wanna get fucked?” “fine”


The lighting is horrible, the makeup is horrible, the clothes are horrible. It’s clearly made by guys who think fastest, biggest, angriest is best, rather than best is best.

Compare it to Hardcore Gangbangs on Kink. They’re not even all great but there’s a fantasy element there about the group sex. Legalporno is just “hey pornstar, wanna get fucked?” “fine”

+ the camera work is horrible


Also don’t underestimate the effect of drugs. I heard it said by someone who has done Legalporno shoots that a lot of the girls and guys use drugs, some of them are addicted ... one of the reasons even (for this person) to leave the porn scene behind.

Also don’t underestimate the effect of drugs. I heard it said by someone who has done Legalporno shoots that a lot of the girls and guys use drugs, some of them are addicted ... one of the reasons even (for this person) to leave the porn scene behind.

I know that there are a lot of porn stars and amateurs doing porn and using drugs. I won't quit watching porn because of that. Honestly, using drugs in Legalporno or Analvids doesn't matter because acting is not required but I saw some casting interviews there.

I like their Brazilian/Colombian studio scenes. They have a fresh feeling to them.




I thought I was the only one that felt this way. It just doesn't look *sexy* even though the girls are usually amazingly good looking and doing hot nasty stuff I love to see (like gaping). Something about the length of the scene (and also size of the download) is a turn-off, too many guys for me, it's just "going through the motions" without a "real" feel to it, and a lot looks too rough for my liking; doesn't feel like it's people having sex, it looks like guys pounding something which doesn't matter to them. Dunno if that makes sense...

Is there any scenes out there that are similar to LP but scenes that dont lack feeling many of us obviously are searching for?
Myself im pretty oldschool and keep my favorites to to my heart, and will share some of them.

Btw, I like some of Manuel F´s scenes (especially the earlier ones) He show some lovin even though he wreck their asses, ther is one with Asa Akira that is really great.

And not to forget when they girl are so wild and demand to be fucked like mad. This seems to be a big issue with LP though, its not so muck about the girl, and her hornyness, its more about some guys fucking a doll.





probably because nobody in there enjoys what they do not for one second?

Although I wish they would come back to the 2 on 2 scenes like 5 years ago. Cant believe they rather shoot the same girl with 3, then 4, then 10 guys but wont have them do some reverse gangbang or girl, girl, male threesomes, etc. Really cant understand it.

Definitely they should hire rocco to coach em


For me, an example of what LP want to do "done right" would be this: Gangbang Creampie 75 with Alessandra Noir. It has mostly the same stuff as LP, but it looks like she actually enjoys it! And the guys do too -- the stuntcocks are out of the way, and she squirts (relatively believably) and pisses on one (where it looks like she's tried to push out the cum, leaked, gone "fuck it" and just peed on this guy). In the shower afterwards she masturbates again. Honestly a great scene because it looks like she's a fucking horny young but not creepily young woman who genuinely gets off on being used like a cum dumpster by a bunch of guys.

In comparison, the LP scenes always look like the sort of thing that gives porn a bad name.

[jjwhite1985]

Not sure I understand the point of this post. Like any producer, LP will judge its success by whether it hits its financial targets or not. The internet's a big place man, if their scenes are selling they don't need to worry what some dudes on a forum are saying.

[101mike101]

I don't think criticism is useful for improving porn, unless you suggest how to do it better. And of course, not every suggestions is right. You can only know whether it's right or not by trying it out and seeing the results in terms of what porn-fans like and what they buy.

My suggestion for porn-makers is to introduce more flirting, more joking, and more play during between the lady and the guys. It doesn't need to be so serious and so intense all the time. If it looks like the lady and the guys are having fun, then so will the viewer.

Real sluts do it for fun. They aren't always serious with their man.

Playful behavior is surprising and unexpected in a fun kind of way. So a guy for example can come at the hot chick and start slapping her nice ass with his dick. She turns around and tells him: "Put it in. Don't fool around." He puts it in and starts to pound. But then later on, this guy again does something funny during the fuck-a-thon.

Guys often do things to annoy the hot chick as a way of flirting with her and playing with her to get her attention and some emotional response from her. And this is something porn can use more of in my opinion. Because this is a common way for horny, cocky guys to behave with hot ladies, especially when they are teenagers. But playful behavior is hot for all ages. It doesn't have to be just teenagers doing it.

[Oscar Batty]

This is a copy/paste from a torrent site pirating our contents. It is actually laughable such comment coming from people killing our industry. I find all my lastest videos distributed for free there. I wont name this place but please start buying the videos to help this place improve.

[101mike101]

This is a copy/paste from a torrent site pirating our contents. It is actually laughable such comment coming from people killing our industry. I find all my lastest videos distributed for free there. I wont name this place but please start buying the videos to help this place improve.

Perhaps porn-makers can get more money by asking in the porn video itself for donations to help the company, the actresses ,and the actors to make more porn. And if you provide information about the percentage that goes to the company, to the actresses in the video, and the actors there, then at least some people might send their donations, even if they get the video for free from a torrent website.

You can lower the price of the videos and ask for donations to keep it going. This way more people will be willing to pay for their porn, instead of getting it for free. And some people might feel generous enough
to pay more as a way of supporting the company, the actors, and the actresses. And even those, who get it for free, might give some donations, if you ask for such donations in the porn video itself.

When people can voluntarily decide how much they want to pay, then they are more willing to pay. Because they know what they can afford, and they are in control.

I think this is better than just letting your videos being posted for free almost as soon as they are made, without any chance of you getting money from people who get it for free. Open source software developers use this idea, some more successfully than others. They ask for donations to keep it going. And some people give money, when the software is good.

You can have a hybrid model, where the price of the videos is lowered, but you ask for additional donations to make up for it. It might work, provided that the porn is good and popular enough.

[dap-addict]

There's a lot of lies and misconceptions spread again there!
Its always the same, repeated a 1000 times by ppl who dont know but repeat what they heard set in public by the lier APE or other doubtful sources. It makes me sad to read just 10%.

This said for sure producers should also read other porn user forums to get a broader picture.
Still here users are open enough and concerned about content they actually pay for. I hope some of the recurring complaints are addressed and studios realize that mechanic factory line production can meet only part of demand, while positive emotions created by spontaneity and 'real feelings' still have a large part in customer loyalty.

[magizi87]

I discovered Sineplex like 8 or so years ago, a defunct studio,
thanks to one of those websites that offer porn for free.
Piratebay, if I remember correctly, heh!
IMO, those kinds of sites offer a great picture of what's really out there, and without those websites,
our perspective as users would be much narrower. At least mine.

Some porn websites are so obscure, so out of the way, that chances are you only find out about them,
because somebody from a piracy website found it for you.
I think pirate websites do more good than they do harm to the porn industry,
because porn producers seem like really wealthy people.

They seem unaffected by piracy. Piracy seems like free marketing IMO.

I think the biggest reason for this is because is much easier to pay for porn,
than to pirate porn. The barrier to entry for pirating is much more hassle.
Except maybe for analvids, because you guys are inexplicably more expensive than your peers. lol

I have bought like 2,000 plus scenes from LP and 1 from "analvids"
and I wholeheartedly agree with the critique.
In particular the part of soul-less and "going through the motions"

I'm sorry but I have nothing positive to say about any male performer.
In my eyes, you all suuuuuck.

This is my one video, that I have bought, from the analvids era

I was like:

Mina looks more PERFECT than what I remember her looking

she is doing only black cocks

GANGBANG

what could possibly go wrong,

lol

fucking boring video.

you know, I recently downloaded a bunch of old movies
from legalporno

to see if the problem with me not liking gangbang videos. made by analvids
was me

but no, I watched those old movies and

they are still amazing,

phew!

I'm still me. hahaha!

[101mike101]

....
I think pirate websites do more good than they do harm to the porn industry,
because porn producers seem like really wealthy people.
....

I think pirating changes the kind of porn porn-makers make. Because porn-makers need to cater to customers who pay. So, porn-makers are making the kind of porn that only paying customers like. Which might be different from what the majority likes.

Pirating might be the reason why LP videos now have so much pissing and other extreme stuff that only a minority of porn-fans like. This isn't what the majority of porn-fans like. But this is what the best-paying customers like.

If everybody is paying, then porn becomes that which the majority likes. But when only a minority pays, then porn becomes that which this minority likes, to the dismay and the disappointment of the rest.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I am a fan of LP/AV and a relatively high-paying customer (I should like to think). Every month, I reload 120 tickets on multiple occasions.

I do not understand the constant criticisms of LP/AV.

The porn scenes are amazing, much better than what you would get at other premium, paying sites. Yes, they are extreme - but that is what the majority of paying customers want to see.

If the advocacy of piracy of LP/AV scenes and the criticisms of this site continues, I would suggest that xxx close this particular forum topic.

[SimplyStunning]

^Although I didn't read that long OP post, the fact that you love LP now does not diminish in any way others critique of Sineplex/Gonzo/LP/AnalVids.

I am a fan of LP/AV and a relatively high-paying customer (I should like to think). Every month, I reload 120 tickets on multiple occasions.

I do not understand the constant criticisms of LP/AV.

I use to feel the same way you are claiming now that you do but the scenes have changed so much that I no longer spend over 120 tickets month. Others I'm sure fall into my category too and that is why we criticize. So be glad that you like the content they produce now but it doesn't mean all customers do. magizi87 is stating clearly that when he became a member here 8 years ago the stuff being released was totally different. Things like pissing was always around but it was rare and more like washing a girls face off after a facial gimmick. Now it is pissing in every fucking scene (and piss drinking what the fuck is sexual about that), plus they are trying to mainstream prolapse and vomiting. What the fuck. There is nothing extreme to any of these things and cheapen the girls performing them but mainly it is just fucking gross. I'm glad some girls don't cave to this ridiculous gross pressure but they probably won't be asked to return for new scenes either, just a sad reality.