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I generally avoid Luca Ferrero's scenes as I think he's a joyless thug but there are exceptions (group scenes mainly). In 2 of these lately he has covered the girl's mouth when she has tried to say something or expressed very vocal lust. This is risible. Please stop him from doing this. I know that there are all kinds of people that consume porn and some will doubtless like this act but I think I would be correct in saying that the vast majority of LP fans come here for the girls and want to see and hear their outpourings of lust and pleasure.

Specifically, the 1st one is a Gonzo scene with Sasha Beart. It is a rough scene and I knew what I was getting so I don't want to be too pious about the scene itself, which is actually very good in the main. Sasha takes a lot and gives a lot back but I think she was taken aback by this act, which happened when she was pinned on her back using her hands to hold back her very long legs (ie couldn't fight back). There had already been some verbal back-and-forth and she was basically trying to say something (probably complimentary) when Ferrero did this. I think she looked a bit shocked by it. I don't think on any level it can be said to have helped the scene or that Sasha either expected it or wanted it.

The 2nd one is more troubling really - new (excellent) Katy Rose Anal Maniacs scene. Not a rough scene per se....some male dom rubbish by Ferrero like foot-on-head during doggy etc., that's all....and again he does this quite late on as Katy basically squeals with pleasure (or tries to). It just wasn't that kind of scene and again I think Katy looks a bit shocked by it. Katy smiled and screamed with joy throughout this scene and happily did so again when Ferrero left and Yanick Shaft took over solo. Why then was that needed? What was it meant to achieve? Clearly it has become a new default thing for him, which is very troubling.

Please ensure that he stops this. As well as being risible in and of itself there is the worry that girls in his scenes might feel more cautious about being vocal lest they endure this humiliation. This is not what porn is about. Again, OK put it in manhandle scenes if the girl agrees to it, likes it etc. But not default in regular scenes and with whoever Ferrero wants to do it to (every girl, presumably). That is not acceptable. Let the girls talk, scream and pant in pleasure, project their personality etc. Enhance and celebrate this, don't stifle it. It is an absolutely vital part of porn. If Ferrero doesn't get that then he shouldn't be in porn.

Thank you.

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This didn't really illicit any response first time around but I notice that Ferrero is still doing this. He did it in the recent group Baby Kxtten and Daniela Ortiz Gonzo scenes. The Baby Kxtten was clearly a rough scene from the trailer so I can take that I knew what I was letting myself in for there but the Daniela Ortiz was pretty much a zero manhandle scene (and all the better for it) and this "hand over mouth" wasn't in the trailer (or I wouldn't have bought it). Again I find it hard to believe that Daniela liked (or even welcomed) it.

Is there any way to stop this or do I basically need to avoid even gangbang scenes that he's in? At present I don't go near anything where he's solo or with 1 or 2 other guys but will generally risk group scenes with him.

What do other viewers think? Enjoy it? OK/indifferent with it? If you enjoy it, what is it bringing that you like and why do you favour it to seeing and hearing the girls' pleasure? Genuine question.

I honestly think that the guy probably needs some psychological help if he thinks that this is acceptable behaviour, let alone "sexy". In a pretty long list he is I think the worst thing to ever happen to porn.

The more he does it the better, that way people can get rid of these stupid beliefs that sex is bad or degrading. Fucking grow up.

Absolutely nothing wrong with men covering girls' mouth with his hands, especially if it has been discussed beforehand.

Usually, experienced male performers will ask the girl what is a hard NO for them before shooting.

Starrio wrote:The more he does it the better, that way people can get rid of these stupid beliefs that sex is bad or degrading. Fucking grow up.

Wow. It's ironic you're telling me to "grow up" when that is pretty much the definition of a childish reaction.

You like this act, which is fine. "The more he does this the better". So should all of the guys do it then? Does the practice of, you know, not doing that no longer have a place in porn? Again my question - what is it that you like about not hearing the girls' squeals of pleasure? Why are you not prepared to answer that I wonder?

Don't you accept that it is quite niche and shouldn't be in scenes where it doesn't really fit the mood/tone (ie the Daniela Ortiz one)?

Some engagement with the topic at hand would be useful rather than just angry defensive/reactionary noise, although sadly that does seem to be your stock-in-trade. You seem pretty much permanently fearful that your aggressive porn is under threat from people like me, which sadly clouds your ability to engage sensibly with these discussions.

Finally, in what way does this act dispel the notion that the sex on AV/LP is bad or degrading? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. "Look! This sex isn't bad or degrading - see how the guy prevents the girl from making pleasurable noises. There's your proof" (?) What are you getting at there? I don't think anyone on these boards is saying that any of the sex on AV/LP is bad or degrading. Some like me just have an issue with some of the specific aggression and ego of some of the guys and how we view it as suppressing the heat of the girls and dampening the scenes in general, which is entirely fair. You would do well to accept that as a valid position rather than just spitting bile every time someone says something you disagree with.

You fail to address the bottom line that nothing about sex is degrading, it's just adult people doing things they want to do, that they want to experience, or that they want to see.

If you haven't grow up and think covering a girl's mouth is degrading, pulling her arms back, slapping her, choking her, then the more they do those things the better for you because eventually you will understand that's just sex and there is nothing wrong with it.

Luca is my #1 fav LP guy. I love his energy and everything about what he does. Don't want him to change a thing.

Starrio wrote:If you haven't grow up and think covering a girl's mouth is degrading, pulling her arms back, slapping her, choking her, then the more they do those things the better for you because eventually you will understand that's just sex and there is nothing wrong with it.

That's a bizarre position to take, isn't it? That I just need to become numbed to these things and then somehow it will all be OK. Essentially you're calling for the end of any discerning opinion. That's inventive at least, I will give you that.

I've never liked being punched in the face. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's one of my least favourite things. But now I realise that all I need to do is get punched in the face like all of the time and then it will become fine.

Those things you've outlined are obviously not "just sex" - they're very specific aggressive male-on-female acts. They don't even appear in most AV/LP scenes, much to your chagrin I'm sure. This forum is about customer opinion. You have yours and I have mine. Given that you're on the record as saying it's "hotter" when you see blood on a dildo I'm not sure yours is the endorsement AV/LP should really be seeking but I leave it to them to decide where they sit on these issues. I'll just call it as I see it and of course vote with my wallet. To that end, Ferrero is now on my blacklist even with group scenes. I don't have any issues with you getting involved in the discussion but when you leap on the defensive and bandy about insults it doesn't really strengthen your case.

I absolutely do not like Luca (or any other guy for that matter) covering the girls mouth during scenes. Now, I assume most of the actions during scenes have been discussed and agreed to beforehand, so my objection is more of a visual one. What good does it do to obscure a girls mouth/face, when one of the most important things in porn (to me anyway) is to be able to actually SEE the girl and her reaction to what's happening.

TheVulture wrote:
That's a bizarre position to take, isn't it? That I just need to become numbed to these things and then somehow it will all be OK. Essentially you're calling for the end of any discerning opinion. That's inventive at least, I will give you that.

It's not real, when girls get slapped the guys are not trying to hurt them, it's a playful thing that can be part of sex.

You don't need to like it, but saying it is inappropriate goes to show you don't understand it is a sex act and there is no negative connotation behind it.

It's like if you tell a 12 years old someone is going to stick a big dick in her mom, of course that will sound evil and mean, from her perspective it would look bad, but for consenting adults that's just something that happens all the time.

YumYum74 wrote:Now, I assume most of the actions during scenes have been discussed and agreed to beforehand

This comes up a lot and for sure I agree that where this is the case it's appropriate that this act might happen. It's in keeping with the idea of a very rough and very male-dom scene, regardless of whether you or me like it or not.

However, as I say if you read my comments I'm fairly sure it wasn't agreed in some of the scenes I've highlighted, based on the girl's reactions. Even Sasha Beart - in a very rough scene and clearly a girl who not only can take it but likes it rough - seemed very surprised and annoyed by the act, particularly as she was trying to say something at the time (this was what prompted Ferrero to do it, ie a deliberate silencing move). It was basically a belittling act and whilst she was happy to submit herself to physical abuse of a sort, I get the sense from Sasha's reaction that this wider act of belittling (essentially belittling her personality if you like) wasn't something she liked or had agreed to beforehand. Obviously only Sasha could confirm if this was or wasn't the case but in the absence of that (I know she reads these boards but I guess she might not want to comment out of a sort of professional courtesy or whatever, understandably) simply watch the scene and judge for yourself.

Then consider the Katy Rose and Daniela Ortiz scenes, where it simply did not fit the mood and style of the scenes. Katy as I said in my original post seemed shocked by it. Daniela didn't really react much but it's hard to think given her general style that she would have agreed to it. She (commendably) doesn't really even have any kind of rough stuff in her scenes of late (her earlier ones did, certainly) so why would she agree to that? It doesn't make a lot of sense.

I do get the impression that some of the LP guys are pretty much a law unto themselves and there is of course the possibility that if they're allowed to do something in a certain scene there is the danger that it will also appear in other scenes just out of instinct or whatever. I'm not sure I would credit Ferrero with much subtlety or finesse to allow him to vary his style - I think he is very much a default rough kind of performer. I obviously can't prove or disprove anything in this thread about what was or wasn't agreed but I'm certainly not one to take an instinctive "Oh that must have been agreed" position over these things. I guess I just don't trust some of these guys enough for that but moreover the girls' reactions seem to give the game away at times.

Of course not everything the guys do within the "rough" remit is bad or done out of malicious intent but can we please do away with the idea that they are saints incapable of over-stepping the mark? Of course they can act inappropriately in scenes and when they do it's important that people call them out for it.

YumYum74 wrote:I absolutely do not like Luca (or any other guy for that matter) covering the girls mouth during scenes. Now, I assume most of the actions during scenes have been discussed and agreed to beforehand, so my objection is more of a visual one. What good does it do to obscure a girls mouth/face, when one of the most important things in porn (to me anyway) is to be able to actually SEE the girl and her reaction to what's happening.

I agree. I've noticed one of the black guys in Russia does a lot of this as well, and I just loose interest immediately. 1on1 scenes with a performer like that makes it an instant no-buy for me.

As much as I hate including myself in any of these (typically Vulture's ) "hey I don't like it when you do this" threads I'll risk the notifications in my posts to put out there that I disagree completely.

It's a dominating thing and as someone who gets off on muffled pleasure moans I'm a big fan. Frankly I don't know if I've actually watched any of Luca's scenes I'm just here to disagree

Didn't read the first post because I'm sure it was a long-winded "BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BAD BECAUSE" so I don't know what he said, but yeah.
Keep doing it, please.

Is there images of this?

g1ndude wrote:I'll risk the notifications in my posts to put out there that I disagree completely.

g1ndude wrote:Didn't read the first post

So in other words you have no idea what you're disagreeing with. How odd.

If the gurls dont mind it i guess its not a problem i guess