Was gonzo/GIO just so much better 5-6y ago?

[dap-addict]

We recently talk a lot about conveyer belt porn production here especially at gonzo and GIO, but lets once lean back and instead of indulging in nostalgia and mere memories, have a loot at these films of 2015/16.

Let me start with a just some samples...

5th DAP for Blanche Bradbury (sz580):
(sz580 - https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/28603)


minus:
Nacho anchoring has wood problems.
Blanche can still hardly stand the DAP-ing in cg position and brakes up after 10-20sec.
Camera is far away when the first DAP insertion happens. Cameraman misses main attraction.

plus:
Nice is she's a real trooper, though. She just wants to do it and to to reach the point she's also enjoying that best payed porn sex act.


Please post any gonzo/GIO footage of 2015/16 (not later please!) showing they were better or worse than they are now! Lets compare 2015 and 2020!

[dap-addict]

Same film (gonzo's sz580):
There's a DAPbreakin' for Billy Star, but cameraman seems fixated on Nacho only! WTF!

Historic 1st DAP take for Billy, but she's hardly visible.
Only later camera realizes what is happening and shows one of the best DAPbreakin's of that early gonzo time.

Now on the other hand one could argue that Blanche Bradbury actually gets an anal orgasm with Nacho and that should have priority. But also Nacho's pussy rubbing? Maybe, because she cums again. Its hot that's true! One could argue that cameraman is more less cold, less just ticking boxes, but actually reacts on lust on set.

What do other users think?




Btw, DAP-ing is pretty short for both girls in both positions cg and rc.
DAP is shown only in shose 2 basic DAP positions in 2015/16 usually on gonzo.
Many takes are only 10-20secs long, also single anal and DP takes.
Camera has always problems to decide what it wants to show if there is a multiple girl scene.

[netzerkaiser]

Fair play to you for bringing issue up. I think definitely we are not in golden age now, but Giorgio, Kessef, even those loonies in St Petersburg are all doing their absolute best, & they have our respect for that alone.

[magizi87]

Julie Skyhigh SZ1136, released date December 2015

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[magizi87]

Kimber Delice, August 2015

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[Starrio]

Was gonzo/GIO just so much better 5-6y ago?

Of course, this is obviously true, but only for one reason. The prices were more reasonable, even 2 years ago.

Nowadays everything is three times the price, and if you compare it to other sites, those sites are still the same price they were 10 years ago, and sometimes they have sales.

LP prices could go down again if every single costumer would stop buying anything that costs more than 5 tokens, but we know not everyone will do that, so we are stuck with the new prices.

For example the new Linda del Sol videos look something I want, also the ones with Kristy Black, Cindy Shines, Mina, Cherry Kiss, etc., but being those twice as much as they used to cost you just feel ripped off for even getting them.

I feel the costumer base will definitely shrink, but they are still doing good videos, the quality is still there.

[magizi87]

Kate Sottile, SZ1250

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You know how most movies have "the best part"
This movie, the best part, is the whole movie.

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March 2016

[muffmanx]

From what I noticed, porn quality typically goes on a 7-10 year cycle (just like late 90 to early 2000s were great, and then early to mid 2010s). I think we are just at the low point for the moment, especially with COVID being a thing, which really limits the productivity of actresses and studios. Perhaps it also has to do with saturation of good porn from the years before, which reduces the sales and incentives for the industry to produce high quality stuff.

I am sure someone can write a PhD dissertation on the economic of international porn industry if you really want to dive into this.

[avanfurwet]

Fashions run in cycles. So seeing what you like or dislike will run in cycles.
Quality does not run in cycles. What most people think is "quality" is just seeing what they like.

[filthyk9pissslut]

The price is high only because people are not buying, don't listen to those idiots people, if you stop buying they will stop producing, don't kill the goose please, we have no other wet movie producing studios, if LP is gone, there will be no wet movies anymore, dp/DVP/TS/gay/scat fans will get their videos from other studios, so don't listen to those dumbfucks, support till you bleed..

[dap-addict]

Kimber Delice, August 2015

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Very suggestive and nice .gifs, magizi, thanks!
Kimber Delice sz1070 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/30552) for instance is emotionally packed with intense manhandle elements, that's a rare quality seldom met in gonzo 2020, if at all. Sex acts are less demanding, but indeed sex is good because it conveys real lust!

[dap-addict]

edit:
Sorry, its sz977 ofc. Her 1st LP scene, actually: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/30306

[bake0213]

I think quality is an issue, but just a few years ago, I would have purchased a lot of scenes just on the off-chance I'll like it or to collect a model I was a fan of. But with higher prices, I'm not going to buy Nicole Black's 50th scene for 8 tickets when it isn't much different that her past 30 scenes. I'll just go back and purchase the 2 or 3 that best fit my likes and forget about the rest. Now it has to be exactly what I want with exactly who I want, or I just pass.

[InsideA41YearOldGirl]

Well, I can't say I'm surprised. In Japan, the highest sales every year is the debut of an actress, and it's always a 18-20 one. No milfs, no sir.

Every scene seems to be a repeat of the next. Counting only on circus acts got to make the consumer base weary. A girl only gets her first DAP one time, obviously.

[dap-addict]

So is it basically how they shoot in Piter now, i.e. find a rookie, shoot 3-5 scenes till 1st DAP and than hop to the next? - Only difference would be Russian rookies are still older in average, 18 to 38yo.

Not sure it works in Europe with no lead models at all. Piter studios can do it because they sell their stuff in Prague and LP Prague in turn has to produce scenes with a very limited amount of girls available. Those concepts mixed still give the basic LP offer of old and new girls exploring their DAP-ability up to around 30 times if they are good enough at it.

[avanfurwet]

Of course the latest teen sensation will always sell like hotcakes.
Especially if she comes with her original factory specification birthday suit, no "enhancements" like tattoos or body mods.

That's why beautiful Baby Bamby and Whiteneko are so popular for NRX studio.

But I think a mix of new teens and pretty milfs is best for a major commercial website like Pornbox.

And with the pandemic shutting down travel opportunities, we have to be realistic and patient.
I think the studios in Russia and CZ are doing well to book the models they are bringing.

[Jocke]

I'd say it is different and since ask for variety, that is good. Maybe the scenes look the same week to week but they are very different year to year.

I must say that I am pleasantly surprised to see an increasing amount of girls pissing, even now and then some guys brave enough to break the mold and drink some girl pee, bravo!

We have also got more anal creampie eating and even anal piss drinking. Lovely!

A long time ago we only got guys in a ring pissing on a sitting girl. Now we always get sequences with anal fucking together with piss drinking.

What I am missing are more scenes were the girl is standing with spread legs and gaping asshole while pissing. Some close ups and then a dick in her ass, while she continues to piss.

[dap-addict]

I'd say it is different and since ask for variety, that is good. Maybe the scenes look the same week to week but they are very different year to year.

I must say that I am pleasantly surprised to see an increasing amount of girls pissing, even now and then some guys brave enough to break the mold and drink some girl pee, bravo!

General wet-friendliness is an important change actually, most would probably call progress. Same with DAP basically. We get more of both on 2020 compared to 2015.
Wet has turned into major fetish on LP. DAP is just a requirement basically. Its natural progress, I'd say and both can also be explained by fee structure. DAP is just payed so much better than less demanding sex acts and 'pee' gets the girls comparably much extra-money, even more in Piter than in Prague, as far as I gather.

So much about acts of depravity as we would have called it in 1999.
But starting I was more thinking of camera quality and girls quality actually, less about sex acts and fetishes for once, because they still come and go in waves, while sure tendency in porn will always be to push the envelope further - despite all waves of resistance!

[Jocke]

Camera work could definitely improve, just look at Jules Jordan. They combine the naughtiness of LP with the picture quality of Tushy.

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[powerful76]

i dont even need to go much further...
i say that 2 or 3 years ago, gonzo with his monstercock team have some absolute incredible scenes with some models!!

[alekseich]

Kimber Delice, August 2015

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Just bring Mike fucking Angelo back! This guy really love passionate fucking and can manhandle girl the right way. Best DP action on LP was on this position with him fucking girl's ass hard. Nobody came even close

[dap-addict]

Just bring Mike fucking Angelo back! (...) Best DP action on LP was on this position with him fucking girl's ass hard. Nobody came even close

+ 1
So true!
Sadly he doenst seem interested go get back into full-fledged porn at all anymore.
But, yep, nobody even came close to Mike Angelo's passionate fucking and manhandle, but also variety ranging from very slow romantic anal intro to raw power-fucking!

[Jocke]

Yes, Mike is a more pleasant version of Rocco.

[hjohjole]

SZ398 https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/27975
(ok technically 2014 and Sineplex CZ, but it is representative of early Gonzo i think)

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Remember this move? Remember hot teen babes like Vanda Lust?

Im going to assume they don't do this anymore anyway. But i haven't really bought any Gonzo scenes since xxx decided that they should do DP in every single scene except the ones with Cindy Shine.
From the looks of it now they usually just put the girl flat on her back in the sofa and start the DP with all the camera-focus on the pussy fucking.

SZ1298 https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/31103

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Sure DP always was common in Gonzo scenes. But they used to be way more asshole and anal obsessed. You know... just like the people who visits this place.

[vperez8]

Yes, absolutely, there has been a steady decline in the quality/beauty of the models at Legal Porn. Seems like in the last year, 2020, everything has collapsed. The site just posts cheaply made home videos with tattoo-covered models who look like crack addicts--and then they expect us to pay money to download these files. Not that long ago, there was a steady stream of top-notch 18-20 y.o. beauties (Russian, Czech?) getting their butts slammed in HD. Now I wait months to find anything that I would pay to download. What the fuck happened? Pandemic, Porn Hub competition? Kessef and Mike Chapman used to destroy perfect ass after ass on Legal Porn, but these stars don't appear as much now. Very disappointing.

[Wildfire1212]

Sorry but LP is degrading fast. Its getting worse and worse. Hopefully it gets better when Covid not a problem.

I hate that LP is becoming a [spam] site where models can post their weird clips shot with mobile phones. And most Gonzo/GIO scenes is just a crazy piss/squirt-fest. Personally I am so f-cking tired of that.

Get back to the basics. Hot sexy girls getting DPd with big cocks

[Starrio]

About the quality thing I do like the old school DP hot girls with minimum tattoos that were on the younger side more, who doesn't?

But at least in that department give the site a break because most of those girls I imagine were Russian, and borders have been closed for a while.

I imagine Russian culture is more mature in this regard. Girls are ready to do anal in public (through video) at a younger age, probably out of High School, but in other countries maybe they need to be older to give them time to mature to that point, perhaps college.

That's my guess, otherwise you wouldn't need to go to other countries to find these girls.

[Kaderon]

But at least in that department give the site a break because most of those girls I imagine were Russian, and borders have been closed for a while.

I think that's just an excuse. There are also beautiful girls where you are. But when you see more and more girls with full body tattoos or used up ex-strippers, then it's a sign for me that LP doesn't care. And the majority doesn't seem to care either. The LP zombie just wants to see as many dicks as possible drilling into an ass. No matter how the girl looks.

[avanfurwet]

... What you might like others might find really garbage or not worth the money at all. You are just projecting your opinion based on nothing more than your sole taste of what would you'd like to see which again someone could criticize because they don't like what you like.

Good post.

[dap-addict]

But at least in that department give the site a break because most of those girls I imagine were Russian, and borders have been closed for a while.

I think that's just an excuse. There are also beautiful girls where you are. But when you see more and more girls with full body tattoos or used up ex-strippers, then it's a sign for me that LP doesn't care. And the majority doesn't seem to care either. The LP zombie just wants to see as many dicks as possible drilling into an ass. No matter how the girl looks.

I skipped a lot of DAPs last year exactly for that reason.
The Van Hynthen reflex, I'd call it.
Nothing against nobody, every girl deserves respect for what she does here for us, but me, I had to skip.
Problem is somewhere else: Since enlargement in 2004 fees in EU basically went up dramatically and Russia became thus a new porn talent hunting ground. Russian fees for all porn sex acts were once 4-5 times lower, now they are less favorable, but still at least half. Also Russian girls have less alternative job options. A Czech girls can work in Germany or Britain if she wants to earn more easily, a Russian girl not. Thus if she needs fast cash she does sex work, amongst it porn.
Russian girls get tattooed as fast as Czech girls, its just fashion and life-style, but talent pool is bigger, this choice is bigger and thus when studios want younger and non-inked girls explicitly they can get them provided by Russian scouts.
But now borders are closed.
Thus that tattoed MILF wave!

[avanfurwet]

Studios wouldn't hire tattooed milfs to sell at a loss. So obviously those girls have their fans and sell OK.

Equally obviously the pretty newbies before they get any/many tattoos (e.g. Baby Bamby) will sell like hotcakes.
Partly because there are fewer such girls entering professional porn since [spam] etc. changed the game.

Pandemic has fucked everything by closing borders, but soon economic depression will bring a new wave of models into the market.

[Kaderon]

Thus that tattoed MILF wave!

But in this case I don't understand why it always has to be the trash look. Are there no attractive milfs with class in Eastern Europe? Does it always have to be the inflatable lips, the face tattoo, the plastic butt? I simply cannot imagine that this "cheap look" is without alternative.

[pastaga]

I would kinda agree on some points :

- There was more models on the market, girls but also guys
- Giorgio was more creative. Now creativity is on the NRX / GioLab camp but sadly their male cast isn't as varied as in Prague. And some scenes would need a better lighting setup and camera work.
- Scenes were cheaper



In fact most of my complaints are for Giorgio, I think Gonzo has been pretty consistent in quality.

I won't complaint about tattoos, I love a lot of tattoed ladies. I'd more complain about MILFS (especially at Giorgio) but that's a matter of personal taste.
Due to the pandemic, there's a severe redundancy of models.
No more themed series like Vampire or Clockwork. The one we had for XMAs or Epiphany were kinda disappointing as the outfits were just funny but nothing particularly sexy or filling any fetish niche.
Lack of diversity in cumshot.
Piss play is fun but should be used more wisely ! We dont need the scene to be cut 4 times for the same piss saynette. Making it more special and unique would be an improvement. Remember this Misha Cross scene for example :https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/27634 Also girls shoud show something like disgust or thirst while doing it. Anna Rey or Monika Wild were good at this.
Also DAP seems to be an obligation for every girl now. Unlike DAPaddict and apparently the average LP customer, I like a good ball deep anal fuck with a solid cock more than the "DAP at all cost" that seems to be the norm now.

[number1s]

Studios wouldn't hire tattooed milfs to sell at a loss. So obviously those girls have their fans and sell OK.

Equally obviously the pretty newbies before they get any/many tattoos (e.g. Baby Bamby) will sell like hotcakes.
Partly because there are fewer such girls entering professional porn since [spam] etc. changed the game.

Pandemic has fucked everything by closing borders, but soon economic depression will bring a new wave of models into the market.

Exactly this.

Yesterday, the latest heavily tattooed MILF was the third best seller of the month (down to 6th today) so there is certainly a market.

The post-Covid ‘new wave’ is the best chance of a return to the quality control evident 5 years ago.

[Kaderon]

Studios wouldn't hire tattooed milfs to sell at a loss. So obviously those girls have their fans and sell OK.

Porn can be just as addictive as tobacco, alcohol or drugs. I have the impression that the LP consumer buys everything where multiple cocks penetrate an ass. Years ago, when LP was shooting mostly young Russian women, young Russian women were the top seller. Last year we had a transporn wave and transporn was a top seller. Currently there is a trailer park porn wave and trailer park is a top seller. If there would be mostly gay porn in the next month, gay porn would be the top seller. No matter what LP offers, you guys will buy it.

[filthyk9pissslut]

No, it was so easy to please you 5-6 years ago, Gonzo/GIO is trying so hard to please people like you now...

[Jocke]

The Kate Sottile scenes are fantastic because she is so engaged and horny while a bit shy at the same time. She got several orgasms during the scene and very obviously not faked.

Recently I think you can get this with some Zee twin scenes. They certainly enjoy themselves on set! Lovely!

[dap-addict]

Also DAP seems to be an obligation for every girl now. Unlike DAPaddict and apparently the average LP customer, I like a good ball deep anal fuck with a solid cock more than the "DAP at all cost" that seems to be the norm now.

I actually want both, ie. DAP combined with balls deep single anal fuck, preferably in prone bone position. But yes, DAP is obligatory for me, I wont buy scenes without DAP, lest its a 1on1 balls deep anal warm-up for DAP next scene or 2 scenes later, depending on the girls talent.
In this dept. 2020 was actually better than 2015, because in 2015 DAP was still more rare.

[dap-addict]

...this said my OP intention and question was rather about camerawork and mood on set, and not about porn sex acts because these are result of anal porn progress and kind of fashion waves.
For 2-3 years already its DAP plus 1 fetish, like wet DAP, TS DAP etc.
But lets not forget: Base of this all is solid single balls deep anal fucking!