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There are a few things that have made me steer clear of Giorgio and Gonzo scenes of late but this is really the cherry on top. In almost every scene now the doggy exclusively involves twisting the girl's arm behind her back. It's a massive turn-off for me, I just don't see the appeal at all.

What's worse is that a major turn on for me is seeing a girl reach back to pull her bum cheeks open during anal. However, whenever a girl does this now she's about 95% likely to find her arm quickly twisted across her back by an angry stud. Major turn on > major turn off in an instant. I've noticed a few scenes where a girl who has initially done that then seems to make the choice not to anymore, presumably as she doesn't appreciate the arm twist. Also I've seen more than 1 scene where the girl holds her balancing arm (usually the right) waaay further forward than she probably ordinarily would, presumably to keep it out of the guy's reach, again after falling victim to an early arm twist. So I find it hard to believe that it's always pre-agreed and something that porn girls generally like. It looks like a classic case of guys writing their own rules and using an overly aggressive default setting. For sure, with strong manhandle scenes and certain girls who definitely like it very rough do this stuff. But not with standard scenes and with every girl.

So who is there out there who likes this? And what's the appeal?

Is anyone else turned off by it like me?

It's a no-no.
I was wondering for quite some time already what the fuck that's all about.

I'm on your side on this. I don't enjoy watching head- or arm-locks, face slapping, choking, spitting or arm-pulling. I think these acts detract from the beauty of the girl. I do however like when the men take pleasure from the woman's body by touching, grabbing, kissing or occasionally slapping her ass or tits, and most importantly by pounding her holes.
Unfortunately, while the things I don't like seems to become more and more common, the actual hole pounding seems to become more and more uncommon. It seems to me that the actual sex that made LP great is no longer prioritized, and instead we get checkbox-scenes that aim to cram as many tags into the scene description as possible, rather than producing quality content based on the merit of what is performed. It is almost like the site was run by an AI for web crawlers and the result is becoming a mess.

I agree. I think porn typically can go in two directions when it becomes harder or more advanced.

The first track, which appalls me, is the dungeon track with medieval torture chambers, candle lights, pinching, whipping, leather etc. I cannot understand the attraction at all. Of course as long as people are consenting they should be allowed to do what they wish, as long as I don't have to watch it. Anything of this ruins a good scene for me.

The second track, which is what I like when I want more advanced sex, is the naughty to nasty route. It is all about doing the forbidden and it requires conscious attention. You want to see that the performers themselves think it is kinky and not the normal routine. Anal used to be the extra spice and watching a girls face when she gets it for the first time is priceless. You want the girl with open eyes and facial expressions or better yet taking control and driving the scene. I really enjoyed when Tina Kay denied another girl a cum swap. That was great acting. Then you can add cum play, pissing, dripping pussies, food play, anal creampie eating etc
One problem is that it is difficult to make it even nastier and still sexy but then you can create a greater contrast by introducing everyday references like public display, CFNM, twins, mature women, innocent pay etc, anything that makes the sex a stretch rather than the expected.

I constantly see that argument of "harder" well better get that fucking part itself at least ON PAR for a change.

Hate that junk .

Similar to hair-pullling, slapping, choking, etc. I like to see it, but definitely doesn't need to be in every scene. Personally I wish there were shorter, more focused scenes instead of a flood of long scenes that try to have everything. It's impossible to know what you're getting when a scene is tagged "rough".

Well it's interesting that the only strong opinion here was on my side of the fence. I found that a little surprising I must say.

This act is just absolutely de facto now in Giorgio and Gonzo though, isn't it? Can anyone name a single scene from those stables of the last, say, 2 months that doesn't feature it? This would genuinely be a help to me and prevent me wasting time watching the trailers more generally.

Do we think it's ever likely that this will disappear (let's say at the very least from non-manhandle labelled scenes)? I suspect not. It really doesn't look like a passing fad, does it?

I'm not a fan of this either. Another common one is when one of the guys puts the girl in some sort of pro-wrestling backbreaker hold during a blowjob scene. It's a complete turn-off for me as I prefer to just see a hot woman getting fucked hard. Another weird/annoying thing is when the guys do stupid shit like wrapping the girl's hair around their dicks.

DPraved wrote:Unfortunately, while the things I don't like seems to become more and more common, the actual hole pounding seems to become more and more uncommon. It seems to me that the actual sex that made LP great is no longer prioritized, and instead we get checkbox-scenes that aim to cram as many tags into the scene description as possible, rather than producing quality content based on the merit of what is performed. It is almost like the site was run by an AI for web crawlers and the result is becoming a mess.

+1

+1

It's obviously a retarded position for with the actress having no support to lean on, she cannot engage the required intensity to fuck
Same shit with stuffs like slapping which bring zero added value to shagging but just an obnoxious interference that disrupts the fuck momentum

DPraved wrote:I'm on your side on this. I don't enjoy watching head- or arm-locks, face slapping, choking, spitting or arm-pulling. I think these acts detract from the beauty of the girl. I do however like when the men take pleasure from the woman's body by touching, grabbing, kissing or occasionally slapping her ass or tits, and most importantly by pounding her holes.
Unfortunately, while the things I don't like seems to become more and more common, the actual hole pounding seems to become more and more uncommon. It seems to me that the actual sex that made LP great is no longer prioritized, and instead we get checkbox-scenes that aim to cram as many tags into the scene description as possible, rather than producing quality content based on the merit of what is performed. It is almost like the site was run by an AI for web crawlers and the result is becoming a mess.

I like instead (very) rough manhandle, in all forms, also arm holding and twisting. BUT, I said it many times, only when male and female performers are really into it: only so the action looks hot and genuine, otherwise we have, as you rightly pointed out, these cold and fake checkbox-scenes crammed with all sort of tags, but actually more boring than exciting.
Totally agree that the focus, no matter what other complementary content you add, has always to be intense, passionate, hard, deep, relentless anal pounding.

And that last thing hard, intense, anal pounding is a thing that is getting more rare as time goes by on this site now isn't it?

OKCTwister wrote:It's obviously a retarded position for with the actress having no support to lean on, she cannot engage the required intensity to fuck
Same shit with stuffs like slapping which bring zero added value to shagging but just an obnoxious interference that disrupts the fuck momentum

Could not agree more. The slapping is just tedious and ruins the mood.

TheVulture wrote:There are a few things that have made me steer clear of Giorgio and Gonzo scenes of late but this is really the cherry on top. In almost every scene now the doggy exclusively involves twisting the girl's arm behind her back. It's a massive turn-off for me, I just don't see the appeal at all.

What's worse is that a major turn on for me is seeing a girl reach back to pull her bum cheeks open during anal. However, whenever a girl does this now she's about 95% likely to find her arm quickly twisted across her back by an angry stud. Major turn on > major turn off in an instant. I've noticed a few scenes where a girl who has initially done that then seems to make the choice not to anymore, presumably as she doesn't appreciate the arm twist. Also I've seen more than 1 scene where the girl holds her balancing arm (usually the right) waaay further forward than she probably ordinarily would, presumably to keep it out of the guy's reach, again after falling victim to an early arm twist. So I find it hard to believe that it's always pre-agreed and something that porn girls generally like. It looks like a classic case of guys writing their own rules and using an overly aggressive default setting. For sure, with strong manhandle scenes and certain girls who definitely like it very rough do this stuff. But not with standard scenes and with every girl.

So who is there out there who likes this? And what's the appeal?

Is anyone else turned off by it like me?

Perhaps the appeal of such stuff depends on what culture you come from. In most Islamic cultures women are taught to resist and men to insist. And this where the appeal of such stuff comes from.

I've once had a conversation with a guy from Saudi Arabia. It was about some phone video of a woman's rape that was posted on the Internet. He insisted that the woman liked it and wanted it. And I disagreed. I couldn't understand why he thought the way he did. And he couldn't understand my thinking either. So, we both remained with our opinions. But I could see that he really believed what he said about the woman liking it and wanting it.

LegalPorno is available world wide on the Internet. A lot of its viewers are probably from non-European countries. So, some of the stuff you see at this website appeals to non-western audiences. And that's why you have difficulty understanding the appeal of it. The appeal depends on people's culture, and you aren't from the right culture to understand the appeal.

101mike101 wrote:

TheVulture wrote:There are a few things that have made me steer clear of Giorgio and Gonzo scenes of late but this is really the cherry on top. In almost every scene now the doggy exclusively involves twisting the girl's arm behind her back. It's a massive turn-off for me, I just don't see the appeal at all.

What's worse is that a major turn on for me is seeing a girl reach back to pull her bum cheeks open during anal. However, whenever a girl does this now she's about 95% likely to find her arm quickly twisted across her back by an angry stud. Major turn on > major turn off in an instant. I've noticed a few scenes where a girl who has initially done that then seems to make the choice not to anymore, presumably as she doesn't appreciate the arm twist. Also I've seen more than 1 scene where the girl holds her balancing arm (usually the right) waaay further forward than she probably ordinarily would, presumably to keep it out of the guy's reach, again after falling victim to an early arm twist. So I find it hard to believe that it's always pre-agreed and something that porn girls generally like. It looks like a classic case of guys writing their own rules and using an overly aggressive default setting. For sure, with strong manhandle scenes and certain girls who definitely like it very rough do this stuff. But not with standard scenes and with every girl.

So who is there out there who likes this? And what's the appeal?

Is anyone else turned off by it like me?

Perhaps the appeal of such stuff depends on what culture you come from. In most Islamic cultures women are taught to resist and men to insist. And this where the appeal of such stuff comes from.

I've once had a conversation with a guy from Saudi Arabia. It was about some phone video of a woman's rape that was posted on the Internet. He insisted that the woman liked it and wanted it. And I disagreed. I couldn't understand why he thought the way he did. And he couldn't understand my thinking either. So, we both remained with our opinions. But I could see that he really believed what he said about the woman liking it and wanting it.

LegalPorno is available world wide on the Internet. A lot of its viewers are probably from non-European countries. So, some of the stuff you see at this website appeals to non-western audiences. And that's why you have difficulty understanding the appeal of it. The appeal depends on people's culture, and you aren't from the right culture to understand the appeal.

Mike & Vulture, you always both speak well & with a decent courtesy. I just wanted to say that.

netzerkaiser wrote:Mike & Vulture, you always both speak well & with a decent courtesy. I just wanted to say that.

That's true. And you, netzerkaiser, are a gentleman.
I may not agree with you, but we had always a civil discussion and this matters.

grey00owl wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:Mike & Vulture, you always both speak well & with a decent courtesy. I just wanted to say that.

That's true. And you, netzerkaiser, are a gentleman.
I may not agree with you, but we had always a civil discussion and this matters.

Thanks GreyOwl, you made my day!

jupiter57 wrote:I'm not a fan of this either. Another common one is when one of the guys puts the girl in some sort of pro-wrestling backbreaker hold during a blowjob scene. It's a complete turn-off for me as I prefer to just see a hot woman getting fucked hard. Another weird/annoying thing is when the guys do stupid shit like wrapping the girl's hair around their dicks.

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so hot

yes bend the sluts arms, the more u like to see women in pain the more alpha u are

if u dont like that type of stuff is cuz ur less alpha

so hot

Bumping this because I think it's becoming a bit of a thing again. In particular I was shocked to see it in the trailer for the new Iris Kiss Kiss/Queenlin scene, which has a very natural feel and is 2-on-2 with young guys and girls. I feel really sorry for young porn girls that they have to put up with this. It can't be a good way to keep them engaged with the industry. Having your arm twisted like that must be a bit humiliating, not to mention painful. These girls really want to fuck but do they also really want to wrestle? I mean, I don't know obviously....but I can't think why they would want to do that. A veteran who likes rough stuff like Vicky Sol or Barbie Sins, sure I can get that. But these 2 very young girls? Hmm. I doubt it somehow.

Scene would have been insta-buy were it not for that. But now I just don't know. It completely changes the mood and feel of the scene. A lot of spontaneous heat is lost.

Some of these guys are really angry that they're being paid good money to fuck these gorgeous young women in all of their holes, aren't they? I mean, really furious. Face slapping, throat grabbing and now this. Crikey.

One thing I will say is that my initial post referenced this being apparent in all Giorgio and Gonzo scenes (as it was at that time). Thankfully this isn't the case now. I've bought tons of scenes from both since making this post and arm twisting hasn't been a huge thing. Generally there are some serial offenders - Michael Fly in particular, Tony Brooklyn typically. And some girls seem to attract it more than others. Silvia Soprano especially. This makes me think that Silvia does perhaps like it and I can thus make an informed choice as to whether to buy her scenes or not. But this is not such a Giorgio/Gonzo thing now, more a Giorgio's Labs/NRX/VK thing. The worrying this is that they generally use young guys and I just think this is really poor schooling for them and they're a bit out of control.

Would love to hear a director come on here and explain what this is trying to achieve and how it is in their eyes a positive development.

If you mean something like this:



Then I fucking love it. That is always hot, but to be fair I love it more if the girl is standing, specially when her back is up.

That's always perfect for anal, and I feel it is not done enough.

Starrio wrote:If you mean something like this:



Then I fucking love it. That is always hot, but to be fair I love it more if the girl is standing, specially when her back is up.

That's always perfect for anal, and I feel it is not done enough.

That's not really the same, because the girl's arm is still straight behind her back there. I don't generally post pics as I'm a bit amateur like that ha ha ha but I'll try to find something to show what I mean. Basically, you need to imagine that the arm goes right across the girl's back diagonally.

Hopefully this works.

Serial arm twister Michael Fly on Ivy Maddox.

TheVulture wrote:Hopefully this works.

Serial arm twister Michael Fly on Ivy Maddox.

Nice! Yeah I love that stuff.

Same question... does't look good to me

Starrio wrote:Nice! Yeah I love that stuff.

What is it you love about it?

TheVulture wrote:

Starrio wrote:Nice! Yeah I love that stuff.

What is it you love about it?

Many Gmgirls like to be dominated in sex, and that's like a dominance position, so it is hot.

Male roles to be dominant, female roles to be submissive, it's all about that.

I know some guys like when the girl is dominant, and that's fine too, but I like when the women is submissive.

Starrio wrote:Many Gmgirls like to be dominated in sex, and that's like a dominance position, so it is hot.

Male roles to be dominant, female roles to be submissive, it's all about that.

I know some guys like when the girl is dominant, and that's fine too, but I like when the women is submissive.

I think that's all fine but my main issue with it is that we don't know if the woman wants it or enjoys being submissive in that way. Michael Fly does it all the time and he doesn't need permission, he can obviously just take it (as can any of the guys). I picked the Ivy pic in particular because that is her 2nd LP scene (after a Dylan solo). Do we yet know if she likes to be submissive in that way at the time Fly is twisting her arm? I'm not sure that we do.

I personally like to see the girls expressing themselves and they can't fully do that if they are being physically dominated. I just want to be able to make an informed choice about what I buy and not feel ripped off. That Ivy scene wasn't labelled as manhandle so I don't think that the arm twisting is in any way appropriate. For me it spoils the scene a lot.

DPraved wrote:I don't enjoy watching head- or arm-locks, face slapping, choking, spitting or arm-pulling.

tons of women like it

tons of women are masochistic by nature

It's pretty safe to assume they love it. These girls are giving away their large intestine for penetration, what more proof do you need? This is why we love the site because these girls are some of the most badass on the Internet.

i dont think u would like this tattoo then

Starrio wrote:It's pretty safe to assume they love it. These girls are giving away their large intestine for penetration, what more proof do you need?

That doesn't make any sense, does it? Because a girl likes hard anal sex she must also like having her arm twisted behind her back. How does that follow?

It's acting, they are fucking, but it is all a show. That's like saying maybe Adrian Brody doesn't like to be a Holocaust victim in The Pianist.

Plus you are ridiculously exaggerating, putting your arms in your back doesn't hurt at all, it's light stretching, the deep anal penetration is definitely more uncomfortable than that.

Anal for these girls comes with bleeding at a regular basis during penetration, it needs getting used to. It's a tiring process of cleaning the asshole and getting it ready. That's way much more uncomfortable than lightly "twisting" your arm. Just using the word twisting is ridiculous here, it's a twist, but not a forced one where she may get hurt and use a cast, not even close.

This is straight trolling you are doing.

This porn exists because people like it, if you don't like it watch other videos. Wanting girls to be dominated is something lots of people like in porn, but it is not for everyone.

Starrio wrote:It's acting, they are fucking, but it is all a show. That's like saying maybe Adrian Brody doesn't like to be a Holocaust victim in The Pianist.

Plus you are ridiculously exaggerating, putting your arms in your back doesn't hurt at all, it's light stretching, the deep anal penetration is definitely more uncomfortable than that.

Anal for these girls comes with bleeding at a regular basis during penetration, it needs getting used to. It's a tiring process of cleaning the asshole and getting it ready. That's way much more uncomfortable than lightly "twisting" your arm. Just using the word twisting is ridiculous here, it's a twist, but not a forced one where she may get hurt and use a cast, not even close.

This is straight trolling you are doing.

This porn exists because people like it, if you don't like it watch other videos. Wanting girls to be dominated is something lots of people like in porn, but it is not for everyone.

Why are you talking about medical issues around anal sex? That has nothing to do with this discussion. I think we all accept that when they sign up to perform a scene for LP a girl is accepting of the fact that there will be hard anal sex and that they are prepared for that both physically and mentally.

All you're doing here is what you've also done in another thread and what people who like rough porn generally do, which is to deliberately blur the lines between hard and rough sex acts in porn. "This sex is hard so it should also be rough". Well, not necessarily. A lot of girls love hard sex but not being roughed up. Some like rough sex (eg choking, slapping etc.) but might not go anywhere near a hard sex act such as anal. I think you know this and are basically uncomfortable with debating on that terrain as you're scared it might pose a threat to your rough porn. Thankfully this thread proves that there are lots of people other than me who get it and would like to see more distinction on LP between hard and rough action. Hard should be default/obligatory, rough should be more clearly labelled and reserved only for girls that explicitly request it.

As for "trolling", pathetic. Just don't engage if that's the best you can do.

This is very hot but must be agreed with the girl(s) beforehand.
It is a powerplay and a form of showing male dominance/female submissiveness.

I really love seeing this in scenes.

I never said pathetic, but it does feel you are trolling.

If your bought this once then I would say you are legit, and I can respect that, but when you say the same stuff on every comment it starts to become apparent you are trolling.

At that point you sound political, like some sort of religious obsession that people watching too much mainstream woke shit demonstrate.

If women don't want to be roughed up as you call it, they would say something, for example when anal becomes uncomfortable, they say it, and they have to cut it, you see this all the time. These things are talked before making a scene. Some girls don't want to do piss scenes, others don't want to do pussy, others don't want to rim the guys, others don't want to do lesbians, and others don't want to be slapped or whatever.

I feel it's crazy I have to explain that. Obviously the sites don't have any obligation to show these agreements to costumers. They all happen privately, as expected.

Many costumers want that stuff, so sites get the girls that would do that because it sells.

Starrio wrote:I never said pathetic, but it does feel you are trolling.

If your bought this once then I would say you are legit, and I can respect that, but when you say the same stuff on every comment it starts to become apparent you are trolling.

At that point you sound political, like some sort of religious obsession that people watching too much mainstream woke shit demonstrate.

If women don't want to be roughed up as you call it, they would say something, for example when anal becomes uncomfortable, they say it, and they have to cut it, you see this all the time. These things are talked before making a scene. Some girls don't want to do piss scenes, others don't want to do pussy, others don't want to rim the guys, others don't want to do lesbians, and others don't want to be slapped or whatever.

I feel it's crazy I have to explain that. Obviously the sites don't have any obligation to show these agreements to costumers. They all happen privately, as expected.

Many costumers want that stuff, so sites get the girls that would do that because it sells.

This is the best conclusion of the thread.

Doesn't make sense complain all the time about consensual things in agreement between guys and girls before shoot as Stario posted, in this case, dom stuff, like it was an abuse case, than believe me, in that case the director would make something to stop this.

Anyway i think you started a crusade here to fight different aspects that you think are right in this and others threads, and i think i never seen before someone complaining about too much things as you did it. I know you does it trying to be constructive but i think you are wrong

If someone have your thoughts i think the clear option is simply dont buy scenes with the stuff offense/dont like you.

misangrenegra2 wrote:This is the best conclusion of the thread.

Doesn't make sense complain all the time about consensual things in agreement between guys and girls before shoot as Stario posted, in this case, dom stuff, like it was an abuse case, than believe me, in that case the director would make something to stop this.

Anyway i think you started a crusade here to fight different aspects that you think are right in this and others threads, and i think i never seen before someone complaining about too much things as you did it. I know you does it trying to be constructive but i think you are wrong

If someone have your thoughts i think the clear option is simply dont buy scenes with the stuff offense/dont like you.

No-one's saying it's an abuse case. The point is that it's generally impossible to tell if the girl likes it or not. If she doesn't like it it's not really "abuse" but it is to the detriment of the scene, unless you like to see girls uncomfortable and overpowered (which I don't). All this stuff about "The girl has obviously consented to it" is IMHO just a justification to yourself. Have another read of my very first post and the general examples I've given where I do think that certain girls in scenes haven't liked it and have reacted to it in quite subtle ways (eg keeping their arms away from the guys). I haven't given specifics of scenes there because this isn't something that I want to scrutinise microscopically like a detective or whatever. Nonetheless, when I come across them moving forward I will maybe try to highlight them more specifically. It's a hunch thing I have from watching a lot of these scenes. Sure a lot of girls probably like it, some even encourage it but some seem not to like it.

The point about not buying the scenes also entirely misses my point, which is that these things crop up quite a lot in scenes that are generally not rough. So they don't always show on the trailers. I do generally have an "insta skip" of scenes where I see an arm twist in the trailer but I have on a few occasions made an exception, eg if there are lots of guys and it looks very occasional. But the whole thing about not being able to tell when and where these things are going to crop up is really the exact crux of my argument. Far from being a "white knight" or anything, I just want a bit of transparency as to what I'm getting. I think you and a few others here are classic cases of basically never being critical about LP and always assuming that they are beyond reproach about the tone and content of their scenes. I'm definitely not like that. I think porn of the last 10 years has definitely strayed into an area where it is very, very male dominant and this has led to a sort of "de facto" male dom style that often takes all of the heat out of scenes. LP is not immune to that. In many ways it's not as bad as some - Evil Angel for example is way more male dom IMHO. For that reason, I wouldn't really bother to feed back my thoughts to Evil Angel. I don't think it's aimed at me. But LP is in a quite general sense. I buy a lot of scenes and like most of them. So I will continue to feed back my thoughts and certainly not be swayed by people - quite often but not always with their own agendas - telling me that I shouldn't.