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Is 18 is too young for hard double or dap? Or is it the right age to want to experiment?

Hell no! In most countries you can join the army and get killed at that age - in comparison getting a couple of cocks up the arse is pretty minor.

davebowman wrote:Hell no! In most countries you can join the army and get killed at that age - in comparison getting a couple of cocks up the arse is pretty minor.

in fact it is true. perhaps the best argument.

Generally the earlier is the better for any porn sex acts.
But NOT before the girl herself is ready to try, to experiment etc.
Anyway, I sure wouldn't bind it to age. Often recently in forum we read comments like 'she's only 19yo and has already done so much sex blablabla', for Lady Zee for instance. Reads like older porn users in their 50ties or beyond who forgot how it felt to be young, be away from home first time, to party and to experiment, and just try sth new.

dap-addict wrote:Generally the earlier is the better for any porn sex acts.
But NOT before the girl herself is ready to try, to experiment etc.
Anyway, I sure wouldn't bind it to age. Often recently in forum we read comments like 'she's only 19yo and has already done so much sex blablabla', for Lady Zee for instance. Reads like older porn users in their 50ties or beyond who forgot how it felt to be young, be away from home first time, to party and to experiment, and just try sth new.

yes, youthful sexual urge should be stimulated, not harnessed.

Crucial is legally adult age.
Emotionally adult some girls and also studs get only at 25yo. or even older.
But urge to experiment and try something new is sure with all very developed at 18yo and that's the age studios should propose those girls sex practices they might not have tried out with their private partners before turning legally adult.

Reasoning about age 18yo or age 21yo as right age for DP, DPP or DAP sounds very american and/or also paternalistic to me. Its not the way Europeans think, and sure not young Czechs or young Russians!

I think this is question of mental maturity, and of preliminary sexual experiences of the concerned person.
I think there has to be steps in everything we are experiencing in our lives.
18 can be young, sometime even 21 can be young for some kind of experiences.
What makes me angry, it's exactly the way someone handle a this kind of situation.
We have the case of Virginy Lovely here, can make me think, how W can be so mean, to throw this young girl so deep that even her first real sex encounter is to just have fucked out the shit from her ass, and after taking care of her pussy...
Next days, dp, rimjob, and who knows what more ?
If this girl will have a fucked up sexual life, a fucked up vision about sexual life, W can be proud of himself showing to the world how you have to just be a selfish asshole.
When someone at 18 you can see had already dozen experiences, knows to touch your dick, loves to suck it, she moves herself on your dick, okay try move forward with.
Don't fuckin enjoy abuse baby minded girls with no fuckin experiences at all, just because they turned 18, and you have the choice to be first, what increases your dopamine in blood.

narciss69 wrote: Don't fuckin enjoy abuse baby minded girls with no fuckin experiences at all, just because they turned 18, and you have the choice to be first, what increases your dopamine in blood.

The Virginy Lovely case is sad, but extremely seldom in Europe these days.
Girls usually start with their sexual initiation many years before.
Only anal sex some might do first time on porn set, actually.
But base for RL teenage sexual pleasure is still vaginal sex in 90%. Girl detects her sexuality usually with her first lover, not with beimg-the-first-obssed Bp lier APE. Luckily so!

dpxgirl wrote:Is 18 is too young for hard double or dap? Or is it the right age to want to experiment?

Young people seldom think that they are too young to do the things that they want to do.

This is a controversial topic, because a lot of older people believe that they should interfere in the lives of young people and decide for them. And even saying that young people should decide for themselves can get you into trouble with them.

When your rights and freedoms aren't clear and not everyone agrees that you should have them, then you will get contradictory and conflicting advice. Which doesn't leave you any better off than before. This is something you need to decide for yourself.

I can say from my own experience that reality is usually different from what you expect it to be, whenever you start doing something different and new to you. So, you can't really know what's right for you based on your beliefs and expectations. You can only find out be trying and experimenting. And this is true for anybody at any age.

dap-addict wrote:

Reasoning about age 18yo or age 21yo as right age for DP, DPP or DAP sounds very american and/or also paternalistic to me. Its not the way Europeans think, and sure not young Czechs or young Russians!

Are there fewer problems for young Russians and Czechs?

No, but in Czech and in Russia more older than 21yo ppl are convinced 18 to 21yo can really choose their ways themselves, because its simply their right to make own experiences. Also teens are rise to take responsibility and behave responsible.

dap-addict wrote:No, but in Czech and in Russia more older than 21yo ppl are convinced 18 to 21yo can really choose their ways themselves, because its simply their right to make own experiences. Also teens are rise to take responsibility and behave responsible.

This should be the case in all countries. Is it in Hungary like in the Czech Republic?

18 is ok. Why?, because some girls just love anal sex. My first girlfriend was 18, and we were doing just anal sex back then... so many good memories. Anyways. If a girl likes porn, and she loves anal, being a pornactress is a choice, and it is legal.

dpxgirl wrote:

dap-addict wrote:No, but in Czech and in Russia more older than 21yo ppl are convinced 18 to 21yo can really choose their ways themselves, because its simply their right to make own experiences. Also teens are rise to take responsibility and behave responsible.

This should be the case in all countries. Is it in Hungary like in the Czech Republic?

Yep.
No difference all over EU and Europe in general.

i know one of my female friend who lost virginity at age 18 and also had dp and dp anal,then she had first time had sex ever.some modem day girls can be very crazy.

TomHardick wrote:18 is ok. Why?, because some girls just love anal sex. My first girlfriend was 18, and we were doing just anal sex back then... so many good memories. Anyways. If a girl likes porn, and she loves anal, being a pornactress is a choice, and it is legal.

similar experience with me except she was and 1.5 years younger (age of consent 16 here). so many times pounding that awesome teen slut in doggy looking at her asshole trying to pick opportune time to proposition and sell her on my cock getting up in that hole lol

got a bit excited and first time in a girls ass, it was a bit of a misadventure and resulted in bit of an angry upset dummy spit but talked my way back for a second chance go at it in good time, worked out became a regular but not always open for business thing

imo 18-22 is not too young but perfect and choice age range for a gal to be in for raging hard cocks pumping her asshole

It is too young. When you work out the way the world is, & the stigma that becomes attached, it becomes virtually impossible for a girl to assume a normal path o conventional marriage, motherhood, & social acceptability after this. Come 24-25, a lady hs better idea of these things. I remember posting before of a lady I met in Czech Republic in '08, & I saw this sadness in her eyes, like she wanted tll me something but couldn't. Then you have to ake into account the broken homes, often poverty of affection or money, or actual abuse... lets keep it real guys. You remember when you were 18? Do you even recognise that person? Some ladies, like the beautiful Linda Ray ended up suiciding, one doesn't know circumstances, but it weighs heavy, you know? Who knows what goes on in mind after initial flush of fun in the 'business'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELlLIwhvknk

Patrick.Moran wrote:...
imo 18-22 is not too young but perfect and choice age range for a gal to be in for raging hard cocks pumping her asshole

Agree. I love the idea and look of barely legal girls being used and abused by lots of men. It's just naughtier to perform group sex with teens than it is with older women. As long as the girl in question is mature enough both in mind and body, I see no harm in shooting porn with 18 year olds. Girls with notable immature appearance however, I find disturbing to watch, so there is a fine line, that is not necessarily tied to the legal age, where the girl should not be involved in sex work.
Unfortunately netzerkaiser does make a valid point that I hope will become less of an issue in the future. With porn becoming more and more accessible, it will also by necessity become more and more acceptable. When everyone watches it, it becomes the norm, and people working in a such an industry will not be stigmatized, especially not if they are also well paid.

DPraved wrote:

Patrick.Moran wrote:...
imo 18-22 is not too young but perfect and choice age range for a gal to be in for raging hard cocks pumping her asshole

Agree. I love the idea and look of barely legal girls being used and abused by lots of men. It's just naughtier to perform group sex with teens than it is with older women. As long as the girl in question is mature enough both in mind and body, I see no harm in shooting porn with 18 year olds. Girls with notable immature appearance however, I find disturbing to watch, so there is a fine line, that is not necessarily tied to the legal age, where the girl should not be involved in sex work.
Unfortunately netzerkaiser does make a valid point that I hope will become less of an issue in the future. With porn becoming more and more accessible, it will also by necessity become more and more acceptable. When everyone watches it, it becomes the norm, and people working in a such an industry will not be stigmatized, especially not if they are also well paid.

Thnk you dpraved, for acknowlegement. I'm 'no holier than thou' or I wouldn't be here. Life is complicated. Cheers Bro.

netzerkaiser wrote:It is too young. When you work out the way the world is, & the stigma that becomes attached, it becomes virtually impossible for a girl to assume a normal path o conventional marriage, motherhood, & social acceptability after this. Come 24-25, a lady hs better idea of these things.

Maybe for some 18yo is too young, but for others also 24-25yo is too young, and for some even 33yo.
Its all so individual, but every country needs a legal framework, and in Europe it is 18yo and right so I think. 16yo would be too young, 21yo too old for general average.

netzerkaiser wrote:I remember posting before of a lady I met in Czech Republic in '08, & I saw this sadness in her eyes, like she wanted tll me something but couldn't.

What does this 1 example proof?

dap-addict wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:It is too young. When you work out the way the world is, & the stigma that becomes attached, it becomes virtually impossible for a girl to assume a normal path o conventional marriage, motherhood, & social acceptability after this. Come 24-25, a lady hs better idea of these things.

Maybe for some 18yo is too young, but for others also 24-25yo is too young, and for some even 33yo.
Its all so individual, but every country needs a legal framework, and in Europe it is 18yo and right so I think. 16yo would be too young, 21yo too old for general average.

netzerkaiser wrote:I remember posting before of a lady I met in Czech Republic in '08, & I saw this sadness in her eyes, like she wanted tll me something but couldn't.

What does this 1 example proof?

Yes. is possible a pvt message dap-addict? thanks

DM got abolished here.
But in my signature I put my mail address. Feel free to write there.

dap-addict wrote:DM got abolished here.
But in my signature I put my mail address. Feel free to write there.

thanks

dap-addict wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:It is too young. When you work out the way the world is, & the stigma that becomes attached, it becomes virtually impossible for a girl to assume a normal path o conventional marriage, motherhood, & social acceptability after this. Come 24-25, a lady hs better idea of these things.

Maybe for some 18yo is too young, but for others also 24-25yo is too young, and for some even 33yo.
Its all so individual, but every country needs a legal framework, and in Europe it is 18yo and right so I think. 16yo would be too young, 21yo too old for general average.

netzerkaiser wrote:I remember posting before of a lady I met in Czech Republic in '08, & I saw this sadness in her eyes, like she wanted tll me something but couldn't.

What does this 1 example proof?

What it proves? You meet someone & you like her & she can tell you a good hearted type. And both of you are putting your best foot forward. And she's trying to make an impression on you, & that shes got attractive personal qualities. Yet she knows there'll come a day if things progress, she'll have to come clean over that humiliating Alcaporno clip she was in, & she knows you're likely to have her drop several leagues in your estimation on the spot. I mean this theme is universal. It was a core of Thomas Hardy's Tess when she revealed to Angel Clare she'd even layed down with another man - an extreme example of course, but you should know what I mean. Particularly when one meets & grows accustomed to the lady in a non-industry setting.

netzerkaiser wrote:

dap-addict wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:It is too young. When you work out the way the world is, & the stigma that becomes attached, it becomes virtually impossible for a girl to assume a normal path o conventional marriage, motherhood, & social acceptability after this. Come 24-25, a lady hs better idea of these things.

Maybe for some 18yo is too young, but for others also 24-25yo is too young, and for some even 33yo.
Its all so individual, but every country needs a legal framework, and in Europe it is 18yo and right so I think. 16yo would be too young, 21yo too old for general average.

netzerkaiser wrote:I remember posting before of a lady I met in Czech Republic in '08, & I saw this sadness in her eyes, like she wanted tll me something but couldn't.

What does this 1 example proof?

What it proves? You meet someone & you like her & she can tell you a good hearted type. And both of you are putting your best foot forward. And she's trying to make an impression on you, & that shes got attractive personal qualities. Yet she knows there'll come a day if things progress, she'll have to come clean over that humiliating Alcaporno clip she was in, & she knows you're likely to have her drop several leagues in your estimation on the spot. I mean this theme is universal. It was a core of Thomas Hardy's Tess when she revealed to Angel Clare she'd even layed down with another man - an extreme example of course, but you should know what I mean. Particularly when one meets & grows accustomed to the lady in a non-industry setting.

Add to the mix, that a lot - I could name you a dozen of these girls, went in the business having their real name included alongside their made-up names, e.g. Eva Ptakova, Ivona Zampova, to name just two... neither of whom was the girl in question... & they can't even keep open a facebook account without weirdos bugging them.

@dapaddict: I'd love go back to Bohemia next year, when all this covid-19 stuff settles, for a few weeks. Maybe we will meet up for a drink. That'd be cool. With greyowl & Annanas would be cooler still. Cheers.

davebowman wrote:Hell no! In most countries you can join the army and get killed at that age - in comparison getting a couple of cocks up the arse is pretty minor.

LOL enough said!

netzerkaiser wrote:...Yet she knows there'll come a day if things progress, she'll have to come clean over that humiliating Alcaporno clip she was in, & she knows you're likely to have her drop several leagues in your estimation on the spot. I mean this theme is universal....

What's humiliating with good old Rosenberg Alcaporno?
And why would she drop in estimation, especially with porn users?
Isnt it hypocrisy of users the problem rather than her former jobs?

Different people have different opinions, but as long as it is legal by law, the question is irrelevant.

dap-addict wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:...Yet she knows there'll come a day if things progress, she'll have to come clean over that humiliating Alcaporno clip she was in, & she knows you're likely to have her drop several leagues in your estimation on the spot. I mean this theme is universal....

What's humiliating with good old Rosenberg Alcaporno?
And why would she drop in estimation, especially with porn users?
Isnt it hypocrisy of users the problem rather than her former jobs?

oh i agree now, but time changes us all.

18 is great to start! Watching innocent girl rough all holes filed - what can be better?

netzerkaiser wrote:

dap-addict wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:...Yet she knows there'll come a day if things progress, she'll have to come clean over that humiliating Alcaporno clip she was in, & she knows you're likely to have her drop several leagues in your estimation on the spot. I mean this theme is universal....

What's humiliating with good old Rosenberg Alcaporno?
And why would she drop in estimation, especially with porn users?
Isnt it hypocrisy of users the problem rather than her former jobs?

oh i agree now, but time changes us all.

Ddi she really have sad eyes?
Or did you want her to look sad for you?
When younger we are more idealist maybe, risen by christian guilt culture we might enjoy porn but still feel pressured to think it was sth bad. I had this before I met my first Czech GF long ago....

oh i agree now, but time changes us all.[/quote]

Ddi she really have sad eyes?
Or did you want her to look sad for you?
When younger we are more idealist maybe, risen by christian guilt culture we might enjoy porn but still feel pressured to think it was sth bad. I had this before I met my first Czech GF long ago....[/quote]

I didn't live in Prague, it was Pardubice. Nice town with none of the excesses. But I long to do a proper month in Moravian countryside - such rolling hills, unspoilt towns. In my defence, you are possibly involved in the industry so it may be frequent for you to meet girls in the industry such that its second nature to you. Believe it or not, one sunny afternoon in Pardubice in '08, I was minding my business & this blond lady was sitting on a bench with a beer & she started chatting to me... she was really cool... I later recognised her from her face & upper right arm tattoo, of all things... it was Stacy Silver! She seemed so cool!

I didn't live in Prague, it was Pardubice. Nice town with none of the excesses. But I long to do a proper month in Moravian countryside - such rolling hills, unspoilt towns. In my defence, you are possibly involved in the industry so it may be frequent for you to meet girls in the industry such that its second nature to you. Believe it or not, one sunny afternoon in Pardubice in '08, I was minding my business & this blond lady was sitting on a bench with a beer & she started chatting to me... she was really cool... I later recognised her from her face & upper right arm tattoo, of all things... it was Stacy Silver! She seemed so cool![/quote]

The lady we refer to was working 14 hour days in a coffee shop, probably for buttons - thats partly why she looked exhausted.

netzerkaiser wrote:I didn't live in Prague, it was Pardubice. Nice town with none of the excesses. But I long to do a proper month in Moravian countryside - such rolling hills, unspoilt towns. In my defence, you are possibly involved in the industry so it may be frequent for you to meet girls in the industry such that its second nature to you. Believe it or not, one sunny afternoon in Pardubice in '08, I was minding my business & this blond lady was sitting on a bench with a beer & she started chatting to me... she was really cool... I later recognised her from her face & upper right arm tattoo, of all things... it was Stacy Silver! She seemed so cool!

The lady we refer to was working 14 hour days in a coffee shop, probably for buttons - thats partly why she looked exhausted.[/quote]

This guy with mullet was involved in running of coffee shop... it all made sense some time after...

netzerkaiser wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:I didn't live in Prague, it was Pardubice. Nice town with none of the excesses. But I long to do a proper month in Moravian countryside - such rolling hills, unspoilt towns. In my defence, you are possibly involved in the industry so it may be frequent for you to meet girls in the industry such that its second nature to you. Believe it or not, one sunny afternoon in Pardubice in '08, I was minding my business & this blond lady was sitting on a bench with a beer & she started chatting to me... she was really cool... I later recognised her from her face & upper right arm tattoo, of all things... it was Stacy Silver! She seemed so cool!

The lady we refer to was working 14 hour days in a coffee shop, probably for buttons - thats partly why she looked exhausted.

This guy with mullet was involved in running of coffee shop... it all made sense some time after...

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drevokocur66 wrote:Different people have different opinions, but as long as it is legal by law, the question is irrelevant.

Politicians can make illegal anything they want. In the past, anal sex was illegal even between husband and wife. Homosexuality was illegal too. And one famous guy, Alan Turing, ended up being hounded to death by the government as a result of such illegality. And now it's all legal, and the British government has recently apologized for abusing Alan Turing's rights and hounding him to death.

Porn has also been illegal for a long time. And it's still officially illegal in many non-western countries.

Legality or illegality is something to consider if you want to avoid punishment by the law and the government. But it doesn't tell you if the act is good or bad to do.

I think this question becomes more clear, if you change the lady's age and ask whether 25 years old is too young or not to have sex? Because this makes you realize that at some point the woman gets to decide for herself, and other people's views and opinions are irrelevant. And this point is usually arbitrarily set by the rules and the laws. There is no legal panel judging each lady's ability to decide for herself, before she is given the right and the power to do so.

If the lady is a legal adult, then it's up to her to decide. She can ask for other people's opinions and advice. But in the end, it's her decision and not someone else's.

Your opinion in this matter can make a difference only in terms of your own behavior. If you think the lady is too young, despite her legal power to decide for herself, then you can refuse to take this chick with your dick. This will make a difference for you, but it probably won't make much difference for the lady. Because there are plenty of cocky fish in the sea for a young and willing lady such as she.

netzerkaiser wrote:Believe it or not, one sunny afternoon in Pardubice in '08, I was minding my business & this blond lady was sitting on a bench with a beer & she started chatting to me... she was really cool... I later recognised her from her face & upper right arm tattoo, of all things... it was Stacy Silver! She seemed so cool!

The lady we refer to was working 14 hour days in a coffee shop, probably for buttons - thats partly why she looked exhausted.[/quote]This guy with mullet was involved in running of coffee shop... it all made sense some time after...[/quote]
Well, on job, they officially fucked only once in Orgies Unlimited 1 (Odyssey), the 3on3 with Sharka (aka Stacy Silver), Nataly and Melissa vs. Rosenberg, Uhl and Michael V.

What about the Alcapone scene you referred to?
Is Stacy Silver aka Sharka the girl with those sad eyes you initially referred to?


Not very familiar with Michael V. but in those days girls were just scouted everywhere and by anybody, could be their work-mates, their bosses, their BFs or pro scouts. And working in gastronomy still means many hours work, also today. Btw, lots of porn girls still did that kind of job before, barman (bar woman!), waitress, shop assistant, cashier, hair cutter etc.

For OP: Sharka aka Stacy Silver started doing porn when she was late 19yo, not early 18yo.!

edit: For one of Stacy Silvers 1st scenes make sure to check Rocco's Animal Trainer 8 (EA, 2001)
Very nice DP with Manuel Ferrara and Steve Holmes, bit still working in Bp than.