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I guess we are all after a hard time, also because a lot what seemed granted didnt work anymore in porn.

Main thing for me is I might have complained in the past about camera positions, lack of pure anal porn etc. but what I faced during lockdown made me just long for *boring* but at least steady delivery of pre-lockdown gonzo and pre-lockdown GIO, even pre-lockdown IV instead of KS Casting videos by Joachim.

Even my main demand of getting finally up to 2 DAPs released per day isn't that important anymore!
I'd take 1 DAP every day gladly now and I'll be really happy about it!
Only thing that didnt change is my need for pure anal only porn!

Apart from this I went back to my LP/pornbox collection and re-watched lots of these films again.
I also for sure spent less on re-chargeing with 120tkt option.

So basically less porn spendings and a more tolerant user.
But no tolerance towards vanilla porn for sure!

What happened with your porn use and attitude to old LP/pornbox core studios?

Btw, tried to phrase it all correct about pornbox and LP.
But actually I am with Pastaga here, although I realize that over lockdown also notion of LP definitely changed.

pastaga wrote:

Giorgio Grandi wrote:When you (plural) use smt like "she'll shoot for LP again" you are not expressing an opinion, you are expressing a wish that doesnt make any sense.
You could use "she will appear on LP again", that somehow makes sense, but still doesnt link any personal relationship between model and production. If I may give you a suggestion, link a model to a Studio for better understanding of everyone.

I think it's just easier and simpler to say "shooting for LP" than "shooting for a director under your supervision a scene that will be sold on pornbox".
In both cases most of the forum users understand anyway.

Giorgio’s Lab filled part of the void for me, but I definitely missed the daily Gonzo and Gio releases. OTS I bought a handful, but they’re not the same.
I’m gonna assume releases will remain slow for a while longer even as shootings will start up. Vaults are empty and have to be filled again.

Bought only 1 or 2 OTS strictly for the girl, just to help her in this difficult times.
If they had been half the price I would have bought much more, though.

GL helped of course. But it was mainly the positive effect seeing that great Russian talent pool finally really being tapped again. Quality of Piter LP scenes are sadly much lower, even though they pretty fine compensate it with their style. But about half of it I bought only out of early nr4ta nostalgia, same colors, same light balance and anal, yes anal only. Bought more 1on1 than DP scenes for sure. Because before lockdown I actually had pretty stopped shopping for DP porn.

Most really I missed - and still do - the steady gonzo/GIO/IV update mix!

I have bought like 20 wet scenes of highest quality over the last weeks. I am so happy!!!!
Most of them are so good that I have to watch them three times before I can get to the end.

I have also explored a bit more squirt scenes which actually many times are girl pissing, which is my favorite but I guess naming them correctly would limit US sales (don't people have VPN?). I have bought some trans scenes and found that I need there to be some girls in the scenes too.

Personally I have stepped up the nastiness level with my wife. I have taken early retirement but my wife still works. I have her to do some facesitting as morning routine before she goes to work. I think it keeps her horny too because later when we fuck she is wet immediately. I enjoy both sucking her pussy and fucking her ass with my tongue. It is especially nice when she spread her bum with her hands and my tongue almost get sucked in. She also gives golden showers but is not into receiving. I don't care because sucking her pussy with a thumb up her ass when she let's go is fantastic! If there is one thing I am missing in LP scenes it is guys orally exploring the girls. I cannot understand how they can refrain from diving in? Usually I alternate between fucking her ass and licking her holes all the time. Licking is not just foreplay.

I bought one Cherry Kiss OTS which was great. I would have bought Claudia Macc at 4tkt but not 8tkt.

YumYum74 wrote:I’m gonna assume releases will remain slow for a while longer even as shootings will start up. Vaults are empty and have to be filled again.

I'd guess it takes gonzo and GIO around 2mt to stock up for at last 30 scenes each if they switch to not more than an every 2nd day release hopefully soon. Girls are locally available now, also some traveling like Mina a.o. already started, but main routes to Russia and Ukraine are still closed. Also studs are missing because of still cut transport routes, especially US or LAM imported studs. So all in all it sure will take several months to recover and get back to a daily release schedule of main studios GIO and gonzo.
I hope that is planned, though, and gonzo wont relay on OTS and IV not on non-anal old castings instead.
GIO with GLab is sure in best position today and will probably be first to go back to pre-lockdown release schedule.

But OP question was rather what the lockdown did to us:
I feel a growing appetite for more and harder anal sex scenes again, more DAP also!
And indeed, I got a bit into wet during lockdown, pushed my viewing habits enveloppe a but so to say!

On the other hand OTS indeed made me more getting into direct solidarity with the girls I simply dont want to leave porn due to or after lockdown crisis! In this terms OTS also made me more tolerant.
But as noted, high prices made me refrain from buying a lot of OTS.

Jocke wrote:I bought one Cherry Kiss OTS which was great. I would have bought Claudia Macc at 4tkt but not 8tkt.

Same opinion here. It seems that those OTS scenes with Cherry Kiss and Claudia Mac are really hot: I had bought all of them at 3/4 TKT, but 8 is too much, especially in comparison to studio professional footages, that have become more expensive as well.
And yes, this could be a major effect of lockdown. This big flood of overpriced amateur material has clearly opened the door to a massive price increase. To be honest and fai,r it must be said that for years the prices have stayed stable with a maximum of 5/5,5 TKT for the most demanding scenes and beyond that just for few orgies.
Anyway I still prefer to pay for what I like and buy, instead of paying a fix price for membership.

You won´t like to read that, dap-addict...

During the Corona crisis (with understandably almost no new good content on LP) I re-watched a lot of old EvilAngel stuff. And man, I´ve almost forgotten how much great scenes/movies there were in terms of REAL PASSIONATE hardcore fucking! Mostly the girls really have fun and sometimes orgasms in the scenes. Such a big contrast to all the robotic assembly line production we get on LP since over a year. And little storylines (as simple and cheesy they may be) and dirty talking can add so much to a scene!

As much as I like a well-done and as ballsdeep as possible DAP, I came to the conclusion, that this exaggerated DAP focus generally on LP and especially by Giorgio kills the possibility to shoot a great porn scene. Going through checklists with the usual various DAP positions simply destroys the flow and the vibe in a scene. When was the last time we saw a REAL orgasm in a LP scene?

What LP should stand for (just my two cents...): I would like to see much more rough REALLY ballsdeep DP´s and especially LONG sequences of 1on1 asshammering (like for example in the famous Angel Smalls LP scene). No matter, if it´s one guy after another during a gangbang or 2on1 like in the very good scenes with Mike & Dylan or even 1on1 like the Blackbuster scenes with Mike or all the Rocco Intimate Castings scenes. I would like to see much more long sequences with REALLY deepthroat facefucking (best "head down") with lots of spit, drool and yes even puke if it happens. I would like to see much more passionate and rough kissing, spitting, rimming and stuff like that. I would like to see much more REAL manhandling and the girls loving to be treated like that (not that silly fake manhandling stuff we get on LP since a long time). I would like to see much more little storylines, new locations, different scene flows, dirty talking, new directors with a new vision. But I doubt with a director and LP "chief" Giorgio, who is stuck in his concept, all this won´t happen...

So maybe the best chance to see this are all the great Rocco movies and all the movies directed by Proxy Paige (Aiden Riley is a pretty good director, too - but very few content lately). All this on EvilAngel - along with the good times of LP still the best company for rough anal sex and great female models.

Let´s wait and see, what will happen after Corona with the announced new Giorgio studio and if some of the before Corona announced new series, storylines will be realized. But to be honest without new directors, who would bring a new breeze, I have no big expectations that something will change significantly.

Exaggerated DAP focus generally on LP and especially by Giorgio kills the possibility to shoot a great porn scene. Going through checklists with the usual various DAP positions simply destroys the flow and the vibe in a scene. When was the last time we saw a REAL orgasm in a LP scene?

Even when I do buy GIO scene, I skip this DAP checklist marathon EVERY time.

I would like to praise Giorgio. Whenever he has more than one girl the scene is great. It is just difficult to shoot a varied scene with just one girl.

@Wotan29
As often, I agree with you. This check list assembly line porn is becoming more and more boring. Glad to hear that you partially share my opinions about American porn.
I even have skipped the latest scene with Megan Venturi, a model whom I extremely like. Why? Because I saw it already many times: it brings nothing new.
Honestly I must say that the new scenes with Rebecca Volpetti are something new and exciting: the best of this year's production. Hopefully we'll see something more in this direction.
Also this DAP contents need at any cost is absolutely wrong. I'll say it again: these extreme contents, DAP and Pissing, have to be reserved for exceptional performes, who are into it and able to perform them the right way. A good ballsdeep anal or an intense DP can be as well and even more exciting.
dap-addict is self aware of this critical situation, otherwise he had not opened that thread about bored directors and cameramen. I think he can also well see that porn isn't just about DAP, but passion and intensity are as well, if not more, essential.

grey00owl wrote:@Wotan29
As often, I agree with you. This check list assembly line porn is becoming more and more boring. Glad to hear that you partially share my opinions about American porn.
I even have skipped the latest scene with Megan Venturi, a model whom I extremely like. Why? Because I saw it already many times: it brings nothing new.
Honestly I must say that the new scenes with Rebecca Volpetti are something new and exciting: the best of this year's production. Hopefully we'll see something more in this direction.
Also this DAP contents need at any cost is absolutely wrong. I'll say it again: these extreme contents, DAP and Pissing, have to be reserved for exceptional performes, who are into it and able to perform them the right way. A good ballsdeep anal or an intense DP can be as well and even more exciting.
dap-addict is self aware of this critical situation, otherwise he had not opened that thread about bored directors and cameramen. I think he can also well see that porn isn't just about DAP, but passion and intensity are as well, if not more, essential.

US porn:
Yeah, a lot of things are bad, but not everything. But actually the best of US porn is more or less in European hands: EvilAngel aka movies directed by Rocco Siffredi (also performing himself) and Proxy Paige (who works a lot with European models like for example Megan Inky, Brittany Bardot or Anna de Ville, who I count as European model too as she loves Europe and hates the USA).

Megan Venturi:
Same for me. She´s exactly my kind of model: stunning beautiful, amazing body, skinny, tall, long legs, ready for ballsdeep action. But it took me 20 seconds of skipping through the trailer of her new scene to think "yawn". How often can I see her fucked in the same room, on the same sofa, in the same scene flow by the same guys? I don´t get those members, who buy ten or twenty times almost the same scene...

DAP:
I don´t think so, that dap-addict opened that thread about bored directors and cameramen because he´s self-aware of a critical situation about DAP. In fact, not long ago he demanded the release of two DAP scenes each day! And he´s the leader of the "no pussy"-fraction, too. As you said: DAP and other "sex stunts" should be something special and reserves for t

Oops, by mistake sent to early...

... and reserved for the best models, who are actually into it. It´s no highlight when almost every scene features boring tipfucking DAP, just to have the tag "DAP" in a scene. I repeat my earlier statement: DAP checklist scenes kill the possibilty to shoot great and passionate porn. At least in most cases.

Dont delude yourself: DP scenes will be shot according to checklists too, if nothing changes here!
Checklists are not dictated by sex acts, but laziness and bored directors.
And of course also checklists make it easier for all involved directly.
...but less rewarding for the end customer/end viewer ofc!

Wotan29 wrote:DAP:
I don´t think so, that dap-addict opened that thread about bored directors and cameramen because he´s self-aware of a critical situation about DAP. In fact, not long ago he demanded the release of two DAP scenes each day!

Right, I will go back to demanding 2 DAP scenes per day when objective possibilities to shoot them are given!
And about DAP crisis, see above. And also DAP crisis is as old as DAP itself, or course we need more balls deep DAP, and of course its very demanding sex act, and of course not every girl can do it. Important however is to still motivate girls to try, to have girls train their ass, also for eventual DAP!

There is a slight change in my attitude towards DAP shots after lockdown experience, though: GL made me realize like nothing else before how difficult it is to stage a good and effective DAP. Not every studio can do that and not every studs combo is able to. Its basics, I should have realized before maybe... Also despite all my nr4ta nostalgia those esthetics dont work for me anymore 10-15 years later! GIO and gonzo have spoiled me maybe.
Anyway, I still opt for early DAPbreakin' but not by all crews and studios really. Its maybe just better to have the girls still imported to Prague for DAPbreakins... at least most of them!

Btw, I dont want to take you your DPs away, no way! Lets just have 4 releases minimum per day after all of this is over! Hopefully 1 GIO + 1 GL per day & 1 gonzo + 1 other studio option

grey00owl wrote:I think he can also well see that porn isn't just about DAP, but passion and intensity are as well, if not more, essential.

Indeed!
This said: DAP is the ultimate goal for every porn girl working for gonzo/GIO in my book. But intensive and passionate DAP ofc!

dap-addict wrote: This said: DAP is the ultimate goal for every porn girl working for gonzo/GIO in my book.

Well, I don't think so. To me the ultimate goal is great porn, and this cannot be reduced to one content, be it DAP, or Pissing, or Manhandle, or ballsdeep Anal or whatsoever. Great porn is something amazing, thrilling, exciting, where the viewer's fantasy is satisfied and everything concurs to this result: a stunning model (this is of course a very subjective matter), who is however also a great performer, skilled, passionate male actors, great chemistry and hot action. As far as I like Anal (including DAP), Manhandle and Pissing, I would even state that some Oral or Vaginal scenes are hotter than many of these so called extreme scenes. Why? Because these scenes, extreme at any cost, are just boring, without passion and involvement: it's just check list, assembly line porn. Mostly the models agree performing them just for the bigger earnings and you can clearly see it in the lack of passion and enthusiasm. This is not what I like to see. Instead I want to see models enjoy what they perform, no matter what the content is.

grey00owl wrote:

dap-addict wrote: This said: DAP is the ultimate goal for every porn girl working for gonzo/GIO in my book.

Well, I don't think so. To me the ultimate goal is great porn, and this cannot be reduced to one content, be it DAP, or Pissing, or Manhandle, or ballsdeep Anal or whatsoever. Great porn is something amazing, thrilling, exciting, where the viewer's fantasy is satisfied and everything concurs to this result: a stunning model (this is of course a very subjective matter), who is however also a great performer, skilled, passionate male actors, great chemistry and hot action. As far as I like Anal (including DAP), Manhandle and Pissing, I would even state that some Oral or Vaginal scenes are hotter than many of these so called extreme scenes. Why? Because these scenes, extreme at any cost, are just boring, without passion and involvement: it's just check list, assembly line porn. Mostly the models agree performing them just for the bigger earnings and you can clearly see it in the lack of passion and enthusiasm. This is not what I like to see. Instead I want to see models enjoy what they perform, no matter what the content is.

Couldn´t have said it better!

DAP as ultimate goal for every porn girl working for Gonzo/GIO is just so wrong and in my eyes bullshit. Maybe it´s the ultimate goal for Giorgio. But not for the girls. And not for the viewers. (Apart from dap-addict and a few others.)

I've just been watching stuff from other companies instead (Evil Angel, Tushy, All Anal, etc) - the other studio stuff here is just way too expensive for what it is (plus most of it isn't even in 4K). And even the core Gonzo/Giorgio stuff we've been getting recently seems to have increased in price to an alarming degree, so that's put me off as well. I understand times are tight for porn producers, but that goes for the consumers as well.

Trying to look at a positive angle, this is going to give me the opportunity to go back and get some quality scenes from the past 4-5 years that I missed at the time. A lot of these scenes look like absolute bargains now - hopefully the price wont ramped up on these as well!

davebowman wrote:I've just been watching stuff from other companies instead (Evil Angel, Tushy, All Anal, etc) - the other studio stuff here is just way too expensive for what it is (plus most of it isn't even in 4K). And even the core Gonzo/Giorgio stuff we've been getting recently seems to have increased in price to an alarming degree, so that's put me off as well. I understand times are tight for porn producers, but that goes for the consumers as well.

Trying to look at a positive angle, this is going to give me the opportunity to go back and get some quality scenes from the past 4-5 years that I missed at the time. A lot of these scenes look like absolute bargains now - hopefully the price wont ramped up on these as well!

Allanal has been without a new scene for at least a month and a half. Also, he needs to stop tip fucking and using som much damn oil.

grey00owl wrote:...are hotter than many of these so called extreme scenes. Why? Because these scenes, extreme at any cost, are just boring, without passion and involvement: it's just check list, assembly line porn.

Assembly line porn has nothing to do with the sex acts performed!
Here you and also Wotan are wrong.
Assembly line porn we could even get with pussy only, assembly line porn is a problem of directors mindset mainly. Rocco shows this clearly, he has shot 1000+ porn scenes but he doenst shoot assembly line porn. Sadly our directors here have fallen into that trap because it is easier and faster this way. But it could be changed again if there is a will and it also would pay. GLab Piter has already shown the success of non-assembly line porn!

grey00owl wrote:Mostly the models agree performing them just for the bigger earnings and you can clearly see it in the lack of passion and enthusiasm. This is not what I like to see. Instead I want to see models enjoy what they perform, no matter what the content is.

Now this is partly true, but mainly for first few DAPs. Later the girls carrying on get into it and perform DAP fine, too.
Its natural of course that girls are looking for best payed porn jobs. Thus most girls to wet now, because its easy higher pay. And many still try DAP because its highest fees, usually at least double income compared to DP.
Of course I want passion and enthusiasm, too!
But good porn girls can convey that also during DAP!

dap-addict wrote:Assembly line porn has nothing to do with the sex acts performed! Here you and also Wotan are wrong.

Different opinion here. In fact, this excessive DAP focus on LP unfortunately LEADS to assembly line porn.

Why?

First:
Giorgio is no Rocco. He doesn´t have locations like Rocco. He doesn´t have the vision (anymore) how great porn should(could be. He doesn´t direct scenes anymore (which would help, if he actually had a vision). And most important: He doesn´t perform himself (like Rocco mostly does). Rocco has it in his own hands to deliver great porn...

Second:
DAP is a demanding sex act. For the girls and also for the guys (everybody has to position themselves so it looks fine on camera etc.). To shoot 3, 4, 5 different DAP positions in a scene you have to interrupt the scene several times more than in scenes without DAP. This kills the vibe and automatically leads to some kind of checklist shootings. In contrast to scenes without DAP, where there are more possibilities for "freestyle fucking" when maybe actors get in the flow. I repeat my earlier question: When was the last time you saw a girl in a LP scene having a REAL orgasm? This should be the goal in every porn scene (no matter if it happens or not), but definetely is not the goal in LP scenes aka LP directors.

Third:
Giorgio makes life easy for himself maybe thinking "a scene with DAP salways will sell pretty good anyway" (ignoring the chance how much better a great, inventive scene full of ideas including DAP could sell). This also leads to assembly line porn, because directors get lazy and think "why should I try harder, spend more money etc.?". By the way, this attitude is supported by you with repeating a hundred times "only DAP sells" in various threads. And "only DAP sells" is simply not correct. If you take a look at the bestsellers over the last year or so, it seems to me piss is the most important parameter, followed by TS and admittedly DAP. So what now? EVERY scene including piss, TS and DAP, just because this sells best? Wow, how boring that would be... I end up with an analogy: Imagine lobster is a very delicious meal (like a well-done DAP in porn). Isn't it going to be insanely boring, if you eat lobster every day (or, as you often demand, twice a day), so that this pleasure is no longer anything special? And on top imagine the lobster is not well prepared by the cook (like almost all DAP scenes are not well performed by the actors). Then it´s not only boring, but annoying. DAP should be something really special and only performed in a great way by the best models (girls AND guys).

Conclusion:
DAP (mostly) kills the possibility to shoot great, creative, innovative porn.

I know, you will never ever agree with that opinion, but think about some of the above aspects for a minute.

Wotan29 wrote:

dap-addict wrote:Assembly line porn has nothing to do with the sex acts performed! Here you and also Wotan are wrong.

Different opinion here. In fact, this excessive DAP focus on LP unfortunately LEADS to assembly line porn.

Why?

First:
Giorgio is no Rocco. He doesn´t have locations like Rocco. He doesn´t have the vision (anymore) how great porn should(could be. He doesn´t direct scenes anymore (which would help, if he actually had a vision). And most important: He doesn´t perform himself (like Rocco mostly does). Rocco has it in his own hands to deliver great porn...

Second:
DAP is a demanding sex act. For the girls and also for the guys (everybody has to position themselves so it looks fine on camera etc.). To shoot 3, 4, 5 different DAP positions in a scene you have to interrupt the scene several times more than in scenes without DAP. This kills the vibe and automatically leads to some kind of checklist shootings. In contrast to scenes without DAP, where there are more possibilities for "freestyle fucking" when maybe actors get in the flow. I repeat my earlier question: When was the last time you saw a girl in a LP scene having a REAL orgasm? This should be the goal in every porn scene (no matter if it happens or not), but definetely is not the goal in LP scenes aka LP directors.

Third:
Giorgio makes life easy for himself maybe thinking "a scene with DAP salways will sell pretty good anyway" (ignoring the chance how much better a great, inventive scene full of ideas including DAP could sell). This also leads to assembly line porn, because directors get lazy and think "why should I try harder, spend more money etc.?". By the way, this attitude is supported by you with repeating a hundred times "only DAP sells" in various threads. And "only DAP sells" is simply not correct. If you take a look at the bestsellers over the last year or so, it seems to me piss is the most important parameter, followed by TS and admittedly DAP. So what now? EVERY scene including piss, TS and DAP, just because this sells best? Wow, how boring that would be... I end up with an analogy: Imagine lobster is a very delicious meal (like a well-done DAP in porn). Isn't it going to be insanely boring, if you eat lobster every day (or, as you often demand, twice a day), so that this pleasure is no longer anything special? And on top imagine the lobster is not well prepared by the cook (like almost all DAP scenes are not well performed by the actors). Then it´s not only boring, but annoying. DAP should be something really special and only performed in a great way by the best models (girls AND guys).

Conclusion:
DAP (mostly) kills the possibility to shoot great, creative, innovative porn.

I know, you will never ever agree with that opinion, but think about some of the above aspects for a minute.

Also my opinion. I love good wine: but how boring to drink everyday the same bottle, even if it were the best in the world!