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In the context of this global Coronarivus pandemic, we decided - for our sake and theirs (hard to setup new scenes) - to allow models to release their own porn clips to Pornbox. First release tonight. If you like the idea support it. Even a few extra sales matter.

xxx wrote:In the context of this global Coronarivus pandemic, we decided - for our sake and theirs (hard to setup new scenes) - to allow models to release their own porn clips to Pornbox. First release tonight. If you like the idea support it. Even a few extra sales matter.

some foot fetish ?

There is a bug with these 2 new scenes under that new label, that prevents purchase. We'll fix them ASAP.

We moved them under another studio as a quick, temporary fix.

xxx wrote:In the context of this global Coronarivus pandemic, we decided - for our sake and theirs (hard to setup new scenes) - to allow models to release their own porn clips to Pornbox. First release tonight. If you like the idea support it. Even a few extra sales matter.

Any wet content?

Somebody bought 1 of those 2 new style home-made by models scenes tonight already?
Looks like they are much more expensive for what you get than usual LP fare; but you support your model directly.
I'd pay 1,6 tkts for the 1on1 with Claudia Mac, but not really 3,3 tkt.
But than if it was Kira Thorn 1on1 live from Goa it would look different of course, the more I know she needs $$$.

Interesting idea, good luck with this.

Prices seem high compared to LP studio scenes but that isn't a like-for-like comparison.

Prices look very reasonable compared to models' own content on other platforms.

drevokocur66 wrote:

xxx wrote:In the context of this global Coronarivus pandemic, we decided - for our sake and theirs (hard to setup new scenes) - to allow models to release their own porn clips to Pornbox. First release tonight. If you like the idea support it. Even a few extra sales matter.

Any wet content?

They can do whatever they want.

I like the idea but with no preview and what looks like low resolution at high price, you are not really giving it a chance.

Well if Kristy Black piss on her boyfriends face in high resolution, I'll pay 3 tickets!

Otherwise I think it would be much smarter to charge 1 ticket and get many customers than charge 3.3 or 4.9 and get hardly any.

Jocke wrote:I like the idea but with no preview and what looks like low resolution at high price, you are not really giving it a chance.

Well if Kristy Black piss on her boyfriends face in high resolution, I'll pay 3 tickets!

Otherwise I think it would be much smarter to charge 1 ticket and get many customers than charge 3.3 or 4.9 and get hardly any.

+1

The content needs to reflect the price charged.

drevokocur66 wrote:

Jocke wrote:I like the idea but with no preview and what looks like low resolution at high price, you are not really giving it a chance.

Well if Kristy Black piss on her boyfriends face in high resolution, I'll pay 3 tickets!

Otherwise I think it would be much smarter to charge 1 ticket and get many customers than charge 3.3 or 4.9 and get hardly any.

+1

The content needs to reflect the price charged.

That's just not how it works. An army of buyers just won't materialize because the price is lower.

5 tickets for a 10 min. video is way too much.

xxx wrote:

drevokocur66 wrote:

Jocke wrote:I like the idea but with no preview and what looks like low resolution at high price, you are not really giving it a chance.

Well if Kristy Black piss on her boyfriends face in high resolution, I'll pay 3 tickets!

Otherwise I think it would be much smarter to charge 1 ticket and get many customers than charge 3.3 or 4.9 and get hardly any.

+1

The content needs to reflect the price charged.

That's just not how it works. An army of buyers just won't materialize because the price is lower.

I never said to lower the price. You need to give content worth the price.

Those home scenes are a possibility to support the girls directly in those hard virus days with most porn production shut down worldwide.
They sure also are sold with different % for LP sales platform. Thus price for these scenes are not comparable with gonzo prices for instance.

why we can't edit?!
This said for me all scenes and girls offered so far were far too expensive compared with the tkts I have at disposal to buy the monthly porn dose I need. Thats the problem for most users I think. Most have limited resources and even a really rare Mary Wet scene is still expensive.
Also quality has to match LP quality somehow, and be it LP quality of 2012/13 at least.

People here who say the PornBox price is "too much" are just saying it's too much for them, because they are not in the market to buy that type of home-made or self-made porn from the models.

I think dedicated fans of individual models who will pay the prices on other similar platforms will not blink at the prices on the PornBox clipstore.

For example, Taylee Wood has a dedicated and enthusiastic fanbase here, despite xxx saying her scenes don't always sell well enough for LP requirements.
If Taylee wanted to put up some self-made content here I really don't think the first thought of her dedicated fans would be to complain about the price.

Sure, also true.
I would pay 10tkt for 20min of Kira Thorn anal shot in Goa for her fans right now. Provided she doenst do it with a small stud that is, but with a well endowed local or Russian guy banging her reasonably hard, of course I'd buy that. Anal only, not pussy sex of course. No condoms!

Some other girls I'd pay also around 5kt for 10-20min of anal, but it had to be very recently shot, not old looking scene like with Mary Wet.

xxx wrote:

drevokocur66 wrote:

Jocke wrote:I like the idea but with no preview and what looks like low resolution at high price, you are not really giving it a chance.

Well if Kristy Black piss on her boyfriends face in high resolution, I'll pay 3 tickets!

Otherwise I think it would be much smarter to charge 1 ticket and get many customers than charge 3.3 or 4.9 and get hardly any.

+1

The content needs to reflect the price charged.

That's just not how it works. An army of buyers just won't materialize because the price is lower.

You mean that the price elasticity which works everywhere else doesn't work here? How do you know if you haven't tested?
This is different from selling products that have individual variable cost where you cannot sell below cost. Here there is no risk of having negative margins.
Test it by selling some scenes at 1tkt and see what happens!

Jocke wrote:You mean that the price elasticity which works everywhere else doesn't work here? How do you know if you haven't tested?
This is different from selling products that have individual variable cost where you cannot sell below cost. Here there is no risk of having negative margins.
Test it by selling some scenes at 1tkt and see what happens!

I don't know if they could sell more units at a lower price. I don't imagine I know more about pricing than xxx or the models/content owners.
But for sure if they reduce the price there is a downside risk as well as a potential reward.
The model paid the individual variable cost to produce the scene.
If sales volume does not increase by enough to offset a lower selling price, then both PornBox and the model get less revenue.

I've noticed these are the first scenes with AnalVids.com on them, despite analvids.com the website not actually being online...confused

Here's my 2 cents.
If I spend 5 tkt for a 10 minutes scenes with Mary Wet b/g, why the hell should she care about coming to Prague for a 4vs1 DA?
Everyone will be soon doing regular 1vs1 stuff pretending to earn the same money.
Sure, someone will tell me with that 10 minutes scene, even sold at 5tkt, she will not earn the same money of a regular 4vs1 DA 5tkt Gio scene.
But this has no interest for me.
I will never spend 5tkt for a scene when it worth maybe a couple.
Supporting the girls? All of us are hugely impacted by COVID19, actually I have to use my tickets (money) way more carefully than before

abaco73 wrote:Here's my 2 cents.

IMO not worth 2 cents.

avanfurwet wrote:

abaco73 wrote:Here's my 2 cents.

IMO not worth 2 cents.

See what? Don't worth it, don't buy it.
Or you may support me anyway, your choice

avanfurwet wrote:

Jocke wrote:You mean that the price elasticity which works everywhere else doesn't work here? How do you know if you haven't tested?
This is different from selling products that have individual variable cost where you cannot sell below cost. Here there is no risk of having negative margins.
Test it by selling some scenes at 1tkt and see what happens!

I don't know if they could sell more units at a lower price. I don't imagine I know more about pricing than xxx or the models/content owners.
But for sure if they reduce the price there is a downside risk as well as a potential reward.
The model paid the individual variable cost to produce the scene.
If sales volume does not increase by enough to offset a lower selling price, then both PornBox and the model get less revenue.

Nope. Having no variable cost just means that selling 1 or 10 cost the same. This means that the total contribution is number of sales times price. The trick is to find the optimum price where price is low enough to attract sales but high enough to generate income.

What is better selling 100 scenes at 5tkt or 1000 scenes at 1tkt?

I don't know where the sweet spot is but xxx don't know either, since it is not tested.

What i suspect is that 1tkt is low enough for us to test it and maybe get hooked. 3.3tkt or 4.9tkt is far too expensive for me to consider buying. I'd rather buy Claudia Mac scene

Claudia Mac double anal for Gonzo! SZ1671 for 3.2tkt than a 10 minute home video. But not everyone is me.
https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/32335

Agree Jocke.
If a video appears for one of my must have girls I MIGHT buy to support.
But that’s not a viable model for the longer term imo

Jocke wrote:
You mean that the price elasticity which works everywhere else doesn't work here? How do you know if you haven't tested?
This is different from selling products that have individual variable cost where you cannot sell below cost. Here there is no risk of having negative margins.
Test it by selling some scenes at 1tkt and see what happens!

Do you really think we waited for your advice to test prices? What you are saying is that if we cut the prices by 50%, we'll have twice more buyers, or more! That's a simplistic view that is simply not true.

I find it´s a very good idea and the prices aren´t to expensive, when you buy a video on MDH, L-S, V-X, B7, etc. (very popular amateur portals in Germany, Austria, Switzerland) for example you would (have to) pay the same, maybe more (price at MDH start from 1 € Cent/second but some girls take 1,5 € Cent or 2 € Cent/second) and you can't watch trailers, you can only read the description of the videos, not see the quality because they´ve no trailers, when you've bad luck you bought a bad terrible video!).
Nobody knows how long the borders still closed and the situation is like now, in this case it's a really smart idea to make this new "studio", allow girls/performers to upload their own content.
Will get many Germans for this because specially in Germany we´ve mostly amateur/webcam girls and because they´ve not to upload Anal/DP/DA scenes they´re interested, also some girls where some members already open topics.
It's also good to see then for XXX how this scenes sell and maybe maybe some girls get booked later for Gonzo studio productions

Jocke wrote:

avanfurwet wrote:

Jocke wrote:You mean that the price elasticity which works everywhere else doesn't work here? How do you know if you haven't tested?
This is different from selling products that have individual variable cost where you cannot sell below cost. Here there is no risk of having negative margins.
Test it by selling some scenes at 1tkt and see what happens!

I don't know if they could sell more units at a lower price. I don't imagine I know more about pricing than xxx or the models/content owners.
But for sure if they reduce the price there is a downside risk as well as a potential reward.
The model paid the individual variable cost to produce the scene.
If sales volume does not increase by enough to offset a lower selling price, then both PornBox and the model get less revenue.

Nope. Having no variable cost just means that selling 1 or 10 cost the same. This means that the total contribution is number of sales times price. The trick is to find the optimum price where price is low enough to attract sales but high enough to generate income.

What is better selling 100 scenes at 5tkt or 1000 scenes at 1tkt?

I don't know where the sweet spot is but xxx don't know either, since it is not tested.

What i suspect is that 1tkt is low enough for us to test it and maybe get hooked. 3.3tkt or 4.9tkt is far too expensive for me to consider buying. I'd rather buy Claudia Mac scene

Claudia Mac double anal for Gonzo! SZ1671 for 3.2tkt than a 10 minute home video. But not everyone is me.
https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/32335

I agree. The price is too high for the content and the quality offered. I'm a big fan of Claudia Mac and I bought her first scene, but it is really disappointing: overlong tease introduction, anal fucking in just one position and, unlike the tag "Ass Full Of Cum" tells, cumshot mostly wasted outside. 1,5 TKT would be a more adequate price. I have nothing against high prices, but they must always be justified by the value of the scene.

Jocke wrote:Nope. Having no variable cost just means that selling 1 or 10 cost the same. This means that the total contribution is number of sales times price. The trick is to find the optimum price where price is low enough to attract sales but high enough to generate income.

What is better selling 100 scenes at 5tkt or 1000 scenes at 1tkt?

I don't know where the sweet spot is but xxx don't know either, since it is not tested.

What i suspect is that 1tkt is low enough for us to test it and maybe get hooked. 3.3tkt or 4.9tkt is far too expensive for me to consider buying. I'd rather buy Claudia Mac scene

Claudia Mac double anal for Gonzo! SZ1671 for 3.2tkt than a 10 minute home video. But not everyone is me.
https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/32335

A handful of forum posters saying "I won't pay that price" doesn't mean anything. The silent majority will vote with their wallets and "Models from Home" will either prove successful on Pornbox, or not.

Giorgio has already explained it's not a straight line relationship. Halving the price does not magically double the sales. You boldly claim xxx doesn't know his sweet spot but he and other clipstore owners actually have some experience doing this and have plenty of data analytics. It's their business and their risk and reward. You have only your intuition and speculation.

And costs are not the same regardless of sales volume.

If you drop the price from 5 tkt to 1 tkt and if you imagine that you magically sell exactly 5x as many copies - you just increased the load on your ticket/sales administration systems and on your download/streaming/hosting infrastructure by 5x in order to earn exactly the same sales revenue.

If you achieve your goal of selling more than 5x as many copies to increase revenue then your costs will increase also, so profit per unit is squeezed both by reduced price and increased costs. You need a lot of data to figure out whether your final profit is likely to increase.

If your plan backfires and you only sell 2x as many copies at 1 tkt then you are in deep shit, with massively reduced income and increased costs. For the content-owner (model) that likely means they lose money on that scene. Dicking about with prices to "see what happens" is not risk-free.

All those fans currently buying $10+ and $20+ clips from Pornhub, ManyVids etc. obviously could have spent the same money and bought many more professional scenes from websites ~ but they chose to buy those clips from their favourite models. It's an established successful business model. Why? I think demand for models' own content is probably mostly limited to their fanbase and that their fans are less price-sensitive than other window-shopping surfers. So if the potential market for your scene is limited to a few hundred or a few thousand copies for your fans ~ why not sell them for the best price the market will bear?

I'd guess xxx knows what he does.
Trigger to buy will be fandom with such scenes.
Clients have to be more girl based than act based for this kind of content.
Classical gonzo/GIO/IV client is more act based or about 50 : 50 mixed, but we have to remember that LP as a platform attracts a lot of DDF fans now, too. They are different of course. Thus it might actually pay still. Also its just a support offer for girls in those difficult times.

Me, as I said I'd pay 10tkt for an actual - not an old ofc! - Kira Thorn homemade anal shot in Goa in March 2020 still without thinking twice.

I repeat: the price is not too high in absolute terms, but in relation to what the scene offers. I'm a big fan of 1on1 scenes, as they, in my opinion can be, and often actually are, more exciting than a gangbang. But this boring scene is not even remotely 3,3 TKT worth. I bought it, but for sure don't want to buy more.

awanfurvet,
I think you often have good points. In this case, not so much.
No, it is not risky to explore price points, actually the opposite. There is no way to know beforehand the sweet spot for a new product.You say you ned a lot of data. Experimenting is the way to get those data.
You are not in deep shit if you happen to sell a scene for slightly less than optimum. Experimenting with a few scenes is fairly low cost.
There is no straight line relationship, halving price will not automatically double sales, actually what we are looking for is to five or ten fold sales. To know if this is possible you need to know current sales volume and the "foot traffic".
This is not [spam] and the product is not the same. Don't expect "fans" to buy sub par porn scenes at high prices just because they are home made and short, when they can buy professional 50 minute scenes of the same model for the same price..

Jocke wrote:awanfurvet,
I think you often have good points. In this case, not so much.
No, it is not risky to explore price points, actually the opposite. There is no way to know beforehand the sweet spot for a new product.You say you ned a lot of data. Experimenting is the way to get those data.
You are not in deep shit if you happen to sell a scene for slightly less than optimum. Experimenting with a few scenes is fairly low cost.
There is no straight line relationship, halving price will not automatically double sales, actually what we are looking for is to five or ten fold sales. To know if this is possible you need to know current sales volume and the "foot traffic".
This is not [spam] and the product is not the same. Don't expect "fans" to buy sub par porn scenes at high prices just because they are home made and short, when they can buy professional 50 minute scenes of the same model for the same price..

Well, if you believe your pricing model with built-in 5x or 10x sales increases is better than xxx's, perhaps he could sell you some content which you can resell on a clipstore and see just how low cost and low risk your proposals are? Maybe you'd make a killing.

Will models' own scenes sell on PornBox? Maybe the audience on Pornbox will be receptive to supporting the models' own scenes alongside professional scenes. That's what they're trialling. If it doesn't work out on PornBox then xxx and the models can just rethink and put their content up on a more fan-centric platform where it could do better. Seems to me they have better options than giving it away for 1 tkt here. Whatever, I hope it works out for the models and they are able to sell their scenes successfully.

Cherry Kiss takes piss in asshole during hot anal fucking in shower




https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/80881

Yessss! Lovely! That is one lucky guy. This scene was definitely worth five tkts!

Oh, I see, as long as its wet, all is worth 5tkt, as long as its only anal fucking it isn't worth more than 1tkt.

Jocke wrote:Cherry Kiss takes piss in asshole during hot anal fucking in shower

https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/80881

Yessss! Lovely! That is one lucky guy. This scene was definitely worth five tkts!

Damn! She's not even my favourite. Well, maybe she can become a favourite. That's another 5 tkts well spent.

dap-addict wrote:Oh, I see, as long as its wet, all is worth 5tkt, as long as its only anal fucking it isn't worth more than 1tkt.

Well wet made a difference, so did the length of more than 43 minutes. Great camera angles and many of the events repeated from different angles. Cherry Kiss is also a natural for wet scenes, you can see that she does it for her own pleasure. I also must say that I like to see a sharp guy in good shape making love to his woman. I guess they are both lucky or we all are :-)

I know girls need our support but is this for real ...
6.6ticket for a 19 min BJ vid ? ...
Ridiculous ... and by the way who is GIRLS GONE WILD (studio) ... who am i supposed to support if i buy that vid ?

GGW is not the same as this new content, which is under Models From Home.
That said, the prices for GGW are ridiculously expensive, but that's not a new thing.

Jocke wrote:

dap-addict wrote:Oh, I see, as long as its wet, all is worth 5tkt, as long as its only anal fucking it isn't worth more than 1tkt.

Well wet made a difference, so did the length of more than 43 minutes. Great camera angles and many of the events repeated from different angles. Cherry Kiss is also a natural for wet scenes, you can see that she does it for her own pleasure. I also must say that I like to see a sharp guy in good shape making love to his woman. I guess they are both lucky or we all are :-)

Totally agree. I didn't (yet) buy the scene (still burnt by that first one with Claudi Mac), but this seems to offer quite another level of quality. Certainly, like in a regular scene, a wet content has a major value, but this is not the real point: we, all the more in a self-produced footage, want to see models enjoying themselves with good picture quality, diferent angles and nasty contents. Given these conditions, also a price of 5 TKT is justified and welcome.