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Until when does it make sense to support a model ( or a scene ) that was shot more than some weeks ago ?
1 month , 3 months , longer ?

It´s bcuz my financial abilities fluctuate and when I get some bigger monetary injection I want to support the models I couldn´t at the moment when the scenes came out :

Ex:

https://pornbox.com/application#model/7487

Emma from Croatia - Killing curvy body -- Jan 11 - if there is a possibility to see her again I would give my tix .
Maybe too late ?

https://pornbox.com/application#model/7358

Dana Curly from Col. - huge butt - last scene in Dec

https://pornbox.com/application#model/6533

Laura Monroy from Col - gigantic butt - last scene in Dec

https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/62566

Jessica Knight fr Ukr - slim - Dec

https://pornbox.com/application#model/7447

Sofia The Bum - Dec

https://pornbox.com/application#model/7435 ---- Lisa Katseye

https://pornbox.com/application#model/6505 --- Natusya

If your goal is to support a model and boost her ratings it is better early on. However we also take a look at long term data, because occasionally the numbers are better than the original projection.

From a external point of view I believe that short-term success of a scene has likely more impact on whether or not to rebook a model than the long terms.

Good to hear sleeper hits occasionally still get a chance. Sometimes it's not feasible to get a scene right away. I always go down my wishlist first after a ticket recharge.

Yep, me too IndyPleco.

What would be really interesting to you xxx is to correlate scenes that have ‘forced customers into recharging tickets.
A few times I’ve been short on tickets but just couldn’t wait for a scene so had to top up immediately.

Sweep11 wrote:A few times I’ve been short on tickets but just couldn’t wait for a scene so had to top up immediately.

+1

xxx wrote:If your goal is to support a model and boost her ratings it is better early on.

How long lasts early on?


I asked as Joachim wrote here it only counted within first 24h after a scene is released.
But this seems very short to me. At least to the end of running month seems more realistic. But is it that?

So how long is early on?

I was surprised that Loulou Bonnet was condemned after only 24hrs, but it seems what Joachim said was true. I guess the first 24 hours sets the benchmark for the scene and everything after that is "run-off" sales.

Like other posters here, I often go to backfill scenes from my wishlist.

If I'm limiting myself to a monthly budget of tickets it makes sense to wait until the weekend and then choose one or two from my shortlist of recently released scenes.

Also I sometimes backfill all the scenes for a model who I've grown to really like.

It seems to me that prices could be set highest on release, then decay over time, like with other products (books, films, music). So a 1 week-old scene would cost a bit less, 1-month old even less, 1-year old quite cheap, etc. Might encourage more fans to buy stuff from the huge back catalogue.

We already know if a scene will be popular after 24 hours but we don't just stop there, obviously.

I often wait until the model has done a wet scene or a scene with another girl and if I like her I backfill with earlier scenes.

Believe it or not, I didn't discover Kristy Black until she did a wet scene and now I want everything she does!

There are times I have completely missed someone and when back and bought a ton of her scenes it's almost embarrassing that I am finding super hot kinky girls on her that i did not even notice.

xxx wrote:We already know if a scene will be popular after 24 hours but we don't just stop there, obviously.

So is first 24h decisive only?
Or are also next 2-3 weeks playing a role? How much? 10-20% ?
And next 2-3 months still 5% about?
Or how would you quantify it?



I ask since quite often end of my monthly period I run out of tickets and can't buy all scenes I'd like to support within first 24 hours.
I than often choose to buy the missed scenes within next 2 to 10 weeks.

I've mentioned this before, but I just hope new girls get at least a couple of different, varied scenes before they are dropped for not generating enough sales. Sometimes the reason I don't buy a scene has absolutely nothing to do with the girl herself, but because I don't care for the outfit, or the particular style of action being shot, etc.

xxx wrote:If your goal is to support a model and boost her ratings it is better early on. However we also take a look at long term data, because occasionally the numbers are better than the original projection.

Thanks for the info .

Yeah, only shoot 1 scene with a new girl as to not risk any capital (cuz all business works like that, no monetary risk...lol). Then make pretty much final decision of success/failure 24hrs later. Because obviously we all have same taste and are never put off by a scene's content, sex act's, clothes, performers, ect... This is easily verified by spending only 15sec on the forums....

GENIUS & FOOL PROOF PLAN!!!

avanfurwet wrote:....

It seems to me that prices could be set highest on release, then decay over time, like with other products (books, films, music). So a 1 week-old scene would cost a bit less, 1-month old even less, 1-year old quite cheap, etc. Might encourage more fans to buy stuff from the huge back catalogue.

Support for this idea .
In the past we had something similar for old scenes , but this system was dumped 1 or 2 years ago . ( don´t remember the name ) .

davebowman & macZatis having the same ideas + my support :

A model should be given a chance to show her skills in different kinds of scenes .

Now´s the time where I have some surplus funds and I plan to to support a bigger number of models than usually .
Could be up to ten models or even more , but now I must check if some of my old candidates are still around shooting and/or avl for LP .

Florane Russel just answered me in one of the N&F studio threads that first 14 days of a scene being online gives studio profit only - and thus also supports girl most I gather.

To be honest I am a bit surprised, because above most other studios claimed it was first 24h only to be decisive. Joachim @ IV for instance talked a lot about such a short period, also GIO ppl.

dap-addict wrote:Florane Russel just answered me in one of the N&F studio threads that first 14 days of a scene being online gives studio profit only - and thus also supports girl most I gather.

To be honest I am a bit surprised, because above most other studios claimed it was first 24h only to be decisive. Joachim @ IV for instance talked a lot about such a short period, also GIO ppl.

Where did I talk about it?

Sofi Rich - 10th december --- maybe too late ?

https://pornbox.com/application/model/75610

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Lina Nakamura - 8th december --- ?

https://pornbox.com/application/model/47507

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There are some nice DP models from Girogio´s Lab who I want to support for getting more than 3 dicks but so many of them have these stupid Bdsm collars ... ( want to see them at Gonzo , Focus , Porn World or Gio main studio ... )

Sunny Luke - 1st december ?

https://pornbox.com/application/model/48254

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Monika Kenig - 7th december

https://pornbox.com/application/model/48254

Thumbs up for a GioLab scene without BDSM collar !

Last scene of Serina Gomez for one of the bigger studios is more than 3 months old ...

Other candidates whose last scenes are older than 1 month :

Alexa Black
Tian Yu
Addy Queen

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Also some great models at Natasha Teen studios who I want to support for coming to shoot for Yummy , since the camera work of Nat.Teen doesn´t convince me .

a week should be the standard. not everyone has time to log on daily.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Joachim @ IV for instance talked a lot about such a short period, also GIO ppl.

Where did I talk about it?[/quote]
GIO ppl is not you only, Giorgio!
Could also be Marco, or Robin or etc.
But if its not 24hours, how much is it then?
Would be nice if you could answer OP question, because we all want to support our girls.
Thanks!

dap-addict wrote:GIO ppl is not you only, Giorgio!
Could also be Marco, or Robin or etc.
But if its not 24hours, how much is it then?
Would be nice if you could answer OP question, because we all want to support our girls.
Thanks!

I've never talked about this in my life and I have no idea how it works

Let me stand corrected, sorry guys:
It was Joachim Kessef of IV only, who said this.
And also a 2nd studio, gonzo than, but memory fails now. Joachim for sure. I'll find that post... But better yet, if somebody working for GIO, ideally of course Giorgio Grandi himself, could tell us fans in which time window if helps girl and studio most to support a scene?

Here it is:
But also my alzheimer it seems since it is in this thread here:

dap-addict wrote:

xxx wrote:We already know if a scene will be popular after 24 hours but we don't just stop there, obviously.

So is first 24h decisive only?
Or are also next 2-3 weeks playing a role? How much? 10-20% ?
And next 2-3 months still 5% about?
Or how would you quantify it?



I ask since quite often end of my monthly period I run out of tickets and can't buy all scenes I'd like to support within first 24 hours.
I than often choose to buy the missed scenes within next 2 to 10 weeks.

I also see we have to differ than: xxx says they know if a scene will be popular, but he doenst say buying later on wouldn't help the girl or the studio with profit.
Combining this with Florane Russels info it would mean: Buying within 1 to 7 days after release is best.

Would also like to support some of the Venezuelan and Colombian models from Joachim´s old S. Amr. tour ; but who knows if they are still active ....

dap-addict wrote:Let me stand corrected, sorry guys:
It was Joachim Kessef of IV only, who said this.
And also a 2nd studio, gonzo than, but memory fails now. Joachim for sure. I'll find that post... But better yet, if somebody working for GIO, ideally of course Giorgio Grandi himself, could tell us fans in which time window if helps girl and studio most to support a scene?

Here it is:
But also my alzheimer it seems since it is in this thread here:

dap-addict wrote:

xxx wrote:We already know if a scene will be popular after 24 hours but we don't just stop there, obviously.

So is first 24h decisive only?
Or are also next 2-3 weeks playing a role? How much? 10-20% ?
And next 2-3 months still 5% about?
Or how would you quantify it?



I ask since quite often end of my monthly period I run out of tickets and can't buy all scenes I'd like to support within first 24 hours.
I than often choose to buy the missed scenes within next 2 to 10 weeks.

I also see we have to differ than: xxx says they know if a scene will be popular, but he doenst say buying later on wouldn't help the girl or the studio with profit.
Combining this with Florane Russels info it would mean: Buying within 1 to 7 days after release is best.

I think that XXX just said they can usually tell how popular a scene is likely to be based on sales on the first 24 hours. And sometimes a studio may decide whether to rebook a model while she is available, based on early sales feedback.

I think what Florane meant about studio profits is (I once read somewhere) that the Pornbox payment model calculates a licence fee for each scene from the first 14 days sales.

avanfurwet wrote:I think that XXX just said they can usually tell how popular a scene is likely to be based on sales on the first 24 hours. And sometimes a studio may decide whether to rebook a model while she is available, based on early sales feedback.

I think what Florane meant about studio profits is (I once read somewhere) that the Pornbox payment model calculates a licence fee for each scene from the first 14 days sales.

Thanks for summarizing!
Its exactly like this, Florane just explained it in one of the N&F threads, too.
I dont even see now why some producers seem to make such a secret out of it. Its just a basic business model, isn't it? But for girls and/or studio fans and supporters this is important knowledge!


So:
if you really wanna help a girl getting rebooked, safest is to get her scene within 24h.
if you want to help a studio shooting the porn you like and/or need, buy within 14 days.

For both buying later also benefits them, but much less than if you buy within those limits.

dap-addict wrote:

avanfurwet wrote:I think that XXX just said they can usually tell how popular a scene is likely to be based on sales on the first 24 hours. And sometimes a studio may decide whether to rebook a model while she is available, based on early sales feedback.

I think what Florane meant about studio profits is (I once read somewhere) that the Pornbox payment model calculates a licence fee for each scene from the first 14 days sales.

Thanks for summarizing!
Its exactly like this, Florane just explained it in one of the N&F threads, too.
I dont even see now why some producers seem to make such a secret out of it. Its just a basic business model, isn't it? But for girls and/or studio fans and supporters this is important knowledge!


So:
if you really wanna help a girl getting rebooked, safest is to get her scene within 24h.
if you want to help a studio shooting the porn you like and/or need, buy within 14 days.

For both buying later also benefits them, but much less than if you buy within those limits.

If you want people to buy the scene, make a great quality scene, and they will buy it.

... Maybe different studios could have different contracts. Or even individual for a every set of scenes.

dap-addict wrote:

avanfurwet wrote:I think that XXX just said they can usually tell how popular a scene is likely to be based on sales on the first 24 hours. And sometimes a studio may decide whether to rebook a model while she is available, based on early sales feedback.

I think what Florane meant about studio profits is (I once read somewhere) that the Pornbox payment model calculates a licence fee for each scene from the first 14 days sales.

Thanks for summarizing!
Its exactly like this, Florane just explained it in one of the N&F threads, too.
I dont even see now why some producers seem to make such a secret out of it. Its just a basic business model, isn't it? But for girls and/or studio fans and supporters this is important knowledge!


So:
if you really wanna help a girl getting rebooked, safest is to get her scene within 24h.
if you want to help a studio shooting the porn you like and/or need, buy within 14 days.

For both buying later also benefits them, but much less than if you buy within those limits.

@dap-addict, I know the lads don't wish to be misquoted, & I respect that... but man, in my eyes you're allowed it a hundredfold. One can't be right all the time, & the great work, generosity & courtesy you bring to this forum has, I'm sure I speak for all, our full respect & gratitude.