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It happened already a few weeks ago, but I am still just really happy and grateful: In my porn collection I have reached now 3000 DAPs.
Over half of them are meanwhile LP DAPs.
Less than half is on grumpy dvds I rarely watch.

In visual terms I can't really compare my pre-LP DAP collection with the one growing so rapidly since joining LP for as late as almost 5 years ago.
Before I was in a fierce argument with the main Sineplex director about his low-profile approach towards new Russian DAP talent pool.
Luckily once re-settled in Prague other forces took over and basically LP was born out of those soon to become ashes.
This said I do miss that genuin Piter talent scouting, though. Even opportunities were missed to shoot more DAP.
Anyway, crucial after all is a supportive and motivating, but responsible approach to such difficult porn acts.
I'd call it ethic and sustainable DAP nowadays and thats basically what fan users like me get now from LP.
Its clear the girls still do it for the money of course, but directors at LP guide them and help with right positions. A lot of careful work was done here at LP - and it makes a difference!

The future of DAP is defined as before by user needs. The act will get more intense and the fucking more balls deep, visual tricks will be harder to apply, which is good. DAP will be more authentic, the most demanding and authentic porn sex act I am convinced. Circus acts like TAP, TP and QAP will be on a retreat I guess. But having TPP and QPP calls now, lets see... But what will stay on the same is that creating set anal porn standards as well as providing sustainable financial motivations is the clue to have girls pushing their envelope.

Me, I shall collect further and hope to reach 5000 DAPs by no later than mid 2022.
Over 3000 DAPs will be LP DAPs by then.
100 of them by Kira Thorn, I hope!


Btw, how about others considerably LP supported porn collections?

For nostalgics just one of my most important references from back of the days that DAP collection of mine was at around 300 DAPs only:

dap-addict wrote:crucial after all is a supportive and motivating, but responsible approach to such difficult porn acts.
I'd call it ethic and sustainable DAP nowadays and thats basically what fan users like me get now from LP.
Its clear the girls still do it for the money of course, but directors at LP guide them and help with right positions. A lot of careful work was done here at LP - and it makes a difference!

A crucial break-through btw was Nataly Gold's DAPbreakin' shot by Giorgio Grandi in February 2015.
It had a longer run-up story supported by her fans asking for DAP and some gonzo studs testing her grounds before. This all showed she was ready for DAP basically, but the initial lets-do-it approach was still missing. Remember it was old LP times still without an established way of handling DAPbreakin's. Now its usually 1st porn scene = DAP, or 3rd scene, or 2nd booking for slower talent. Todays set is more clear and helps girls with their career planning.
Anyway, Nataly Golds HIT was 0% pussy and lots of positions, too.
And it started GIO studios sales success!



https://www.legalporno.com/watch/29568/3_on_1_plastered_with_dap_and_prolapse_nataly_gold_got_dappes_for_the_first_time_farting_creampiee_and_no_pussy_gio023

dap-addict wrote:For nostalgics just one of my most important references from back of the days that DAP collection of mine was at around 300 DAPs only:

Vivienne LaRoche_AM26.jpg

Vivienne LaRoche_AM26-2.jpg

Assman 26 was so great. Remember when i first saw it i was blown away. rented it from a porn shop for a weekend and fapped for 3 days.. good times. Richard langing was a nasty fucker at those dps. always so fking horny

C_jannsen wrote:Assman 26 was so great. Remember when i first saw it i was blown away. rented it from a porn shop for a weekend and fapped for 3 days.. good times.

I still love Vivienne LaRoche for AM26 and some other DAP and details.
Call it pure nastgia, but its a porn-"love" never ever to fade!

https://www.legalporno.com/watch/28961/kitana_lure_dap_ed_0_pussy_for_hardcore_slut_double_anal_3on1_sz649

will always be my favorite dap vid from LP.

Again pure nostalgia, thanks for that reminder Seraph0257!

Btw, Katana did a come-back a few months ago.
So far lighter stuff for Private etc. in Barcelona/Ibiza only, though.

over 3200 DAP scenes now!

About 1750 are LP scenes.
I hope to get up to 2000 LP DAPs by end of this year, but at this production pace it wont be possible.

Did some major back stock shopping last few days and tried to check my actual LP DAP collection using our new upgraded search functions:
While I am surprisingly still below 2000 LP DAPs in my porn collection, it looks like up to 20% of DAP scenes are not credited in LP search system at all!
Anyway, system tells me I was missing 375 DAP scenes still.
On and off I skipped IV daps, currently I dont buy until apparent Lana Bunny mistreatment is solved by them, so thats some scenes of course. Than there are a few MILFs and a few notoriously bush girls I just dont enjoy to watch, even they might be good at DAP.
But 375!? - Thats quite a lot to collect still! Adding the hopefully at least 50 DAPs in the shutdown vault of GIO alone I am waiting to buy!

dap-addict wrote:Did some major back stock shopping last few days and tried to check my actual LP DAP collection using our new upgraded search functions:
While I am surprisingly still below 2000 LP DAPs in my porn collection, it looks like up to 20% of DAP scenes are not credited in LP search system at all!
Anyway, system tells me I was missing 375 DAP scenes still.
On and off I skipped IV daps, currently I dont buy until apparent Lana Bunny mistreatment is solved by them, so thats some scenes of course. Than there are a few MILFs and a few notoriously bush girls I just dont enjoy to watch, even they might be good at DAP.
But 375!? - Thats quite a lot to collect still! Adding the hopefully at least 50 DAPs in the shutdown vault of GIO alone I am waiting to buy!

I'd also like that Joachim Kessef would take position about that episode with Lana, or rather express regret and apologize.

dap-addict wrote:While I am surprisingly still below 2000 LP DAPs in my porn collection, it looks like up to 20% of DAP scenes are not credited in LP search system at all!
Anyway, system tells me I was missing 375 DAP scenes still.
On and off I skipped IV daps, currently I dont buy until apparent Lana Bunny mistreatment is solved by them, so thats some scenes of course.

Still same position!
Still waiting...
Lana Bunny still didnt return to porn, either!

Anyway, on the good side is I just reached 2222 LP DAPs in my collection!

That's a lot of scenes - how do you even find time to watch that much porn!

davebowman wrote:That's a lot of scenes - how do you even find time to watch that much porn!

I think 90% of the time I've spent on it, has been on collecting & assembling it in folders & grouped by nationality & year model first appeared. That said, its become increasingly difficult & unwieldy, when ones time becomes more limited & monthly download limits have become more unlimited. E.G. I have Kessef's TeensWantBlack series & its far handier to have them all in same folder. Having said that, I might need focus on backups... I had finely tuned 2TB drive on Czech & US pornstars which just failed last year, which put huge dent in collection.

netzerkaiser wrote:I had finely tuned 2TB drive on Czech & US pornstars which just failed last year, which put huge dent in collection.

GAU scenario, worst case!
Back-ups are extremely important!

I keep order only according to studios in 2 categories: DAP and non-dap.
And than a girl by girl order for my TOP5 or even less. Copies there.

Btw, almost 3700 DAP scenes collected meanwhile!
Due to Corona not sure I get to 5000 DAPs by mid 2022, though.

netzerkaiser wrote:I think 90% of the time I've spent on it, has been on collecting & assembling it in folders & grouped by nationality & year model first appeared. That said, its become increasingly difficult & unwieldy, when ones time becomes more limited & monthly download limits have become more unlimited. E.G. I have Kessef's TeensWantBlack series & its far handier to have them all in same folder. Having said that, I might need focus on backups... I had finely tuned 2TB drive on Czech & US pornstars which just failed last year, which put huge dent in collection.

Collecting and cataloguing takes up most of my ‘porn time’ as well. Not too complicated, just a folder for each girl with her LP scenes. Want to expand that into a file with DAP, swallows etc as well but currently lack the time to do that.

I have a drive with non-LP porn as well but I hardly touch that tbh.

DAP-addict, if you have to keep just one scene of your thousands one's which one will you keep ? One and only one !

YumYum74 wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:I think 90% of the time I've spent on it, has been on collecting & assembling it in folders & grouped by nationality & year model first appeared. That said, its become increasingly difficult & unwieldy, when ones time becomes more limited & monthly download limits have become more unlimited. E.G. I have Kessef's TeensWantBlack series & its far handier to have them all in same folder. Having said that, I might need focus on backups... I had finely tuned 2TB drive on Czech & US pornstars which just failed last year, which put huge dent in collection.

Collecting and cataloguing takes up most of my ‘porn time’ as well. Not too complicated, just a folder for each girl with her LP scenes. Want to expand that into a file with DAP, swallows etc as well but currently lack the time to do that.

I have a drive with non-LP porn as well but I hardly touch that tbh.

I decided yumyum74 around 2012, I had to catalogue, just like you. So I used EBI by debut year, & split it from there into countries. Its a pity that the facility for simultaneously splitting into country & debut year still isn't available. Pornteengirl is also great. Only thing missing from this methodology are (i) US girls '96 - 2012, (ii) the DBM /Silwa '94-'98 generation. I had to create special folder called 'the wild west' to cover the latter, though its sparsely filled, & obscure. IMDB seems main channel for tracking some of these porn actresses.

netzerkaiser wrote:

YumYum74 wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:I think 90% of the time I've spent on it, has been on collecting & assembling it in folders & grouped by nationality & year model first appeared. That said, its become increasingly difficult & unwieldy, when ones time becomes more limited & monthly download limits have become more unlimited. E.G. I have Kessef's TeensWantBlack series & its far handier to have them all in same folder. Having said that, I might need focus on backups... I had finely tuned 2TB drive on Czech & US pornstars which just failed last year, which put huge dent in collection.

Collecting and cataloguing takes up most of my ‘porn time’ as well. Not too complicated, just a folder for each girl with her LP scenes. Want to expand that into a file with DAP, swallows etc as well but currently lack the time to do that.

I have a drive with non-LP porn as well but I hardly touch that tbh.

I decided yumyum74 around 2012, I had to catalogue, just like you. So I used EBI by debut year, & split it from there into countries. Its a pity that the facility for simultaneously splitting into country & debut year still isn't available. Pornteengirl is also great. Only thing missing from this methodology are (i) US girls '96 - 2012, (ii) the DBM /Silwa '94-'98 generation. I had to create special folder called 'the wild west' to cover the latter, though its sparsely filled, & obscure. IMDB seems main channel for tracking some of these porn actresses.

IMDB - sorry, I meant IAFD... just finished gruelling night-shift & I'm tired.

I actually think order by girl is best probably.
Me, I started studio based, but it means I always need pornbox data to counter-check and ID girl I want to watch a scene from or need screen caps I have shot of her scene. Its a bit fussy.
I just dont have the time to re-arrange it all. And thanks to faster internet I do stream rather than watch from external hard drive recently.

Does anybody of you have a fundamental personal fetish collection to catalogue like me with DAPs?
How you do that?

dap-addict wrote:I actually think order by girl is best probably.
Me, I started studio based, but it means I always need pornbox data to counter-check and ID girl I want to watch a scene from or need screen caps I have shot of her scene. Its a bit fussy.
I just dont have the time to re-arrange it all. And thanks to faster internet I do stream rather than watch from external hard drive recently.

Does anybody of you have a fundamental personal fetish collection to catalogue like me with DAPs?
How you do that?

I don't Brother. But what I will do, is, over next year, PM you with a listing of all my folders & subfolders. Studio-based pre-2012 isn't best way, but possibly is post-2012 (or thereabouts). That is if I can get my house finally finished first!

Hey, thanks!
Do you have those pre-2012 scenes in electronic form mainly?

And than, so no fetish collection? - I ask as I dont have DAP only, but also eye-pops, torn stockings, foot jobs etc.
There's really difficult to keep track in my own collection for me still.

dap-addict wrote:Hey, thanks!
Do you have those pre-2012 scenes in electronic form mainly?

And than, so no fetish collection? - I ask as I dont have DAP only, but also eye-pops, torn stockings, foot jobs etc.
There's really difficult to keep track in my own collection for me still.

yeah electronic. & most, until past couple of years came from pornbb or planetsuzy, with the numerous methods that came & went, from rapidshare to depositfiles to whatever. I am not proud or ashamed of this, but thats just the way it is. Most of it was fear of compromising CC info, but I feel more confident now about legitimate sites. Thats just the truth, DAPAddict. Believe it or not, the first thng that maybe spoke to me & said, 'give something back here' was the humble message that Giorgo put up on the NRFTA.. "If you have stumbled upon this scene on internet, & if you can afford to, please consider supporting our site"... & TBH, the honesty & humility touched me. Ironically the cost of being legitimate is hardly greater & its proper.

99,9% of my DAPs are legal.
Just the way I always treated this biz, i.e. sustainable. If I want sth from them, and I definitely do!, I have to feed them, too! Anyway, not judging, just saying. Downside of this is that almost 1500 DAP scenes in my collection are still on grumpy old dvds and I hardly ever watch them since I am here on LP. Poor Vivienne LaRoche mainly.

dap-addict wrote:99,9% of my DAPs are legal.
Just the way I always treated this biz, i.e. sustainable. If I want sth from them, and I definitely do!, I have to feed them, too! Anyway, not judging, just saying. Downside of this is that almost 1500 DAP scenes in my collection are still on grumpy old dvds and I hardly ever watch them since I am here on LP. Poor Vivienne LaRoche mainly.

But I wonder, does opportunity to use the pornbb's etc depend on your country? I can't believe that most porn-users would act on principle - though I do act now, voluntarily? I dunno. All I do know is that I'm acting on principle.

If you're dealing with old grainy dvds of Jane Darlings magnificent tits, you might want try subscription to evil-angel? I dunno, I haven't tried it myself, but I would like collect officially the whole euroangels collection for example.

By the way, Euro Angels Hardball 9: Screw University Of Advanced Anal Studies, contains Monica Sweetheart, getting accidentally DAP'd, & her giggling about it, ll with her original 'big' nose, pre-character stripping surgery.

'00 - one of first DVD's bought, lasting impression...

Yep, I thought of getting an EA subscription for 1mt and downloading all CC and Rocco DAPs I have on dvd only, actually. Not sure it really works like this, though?
There should be about 50-100 EA dvd released scenes I'd wanna download. Dies it work like this? Or how many subscriptions I'd need. I didnt care much about it since I subscribed to LP 5y ago to be honest.

netzerkaiser wrote:By the way, Euro Angels Hardball 9: Screw University Of Advanced Anal Studies, contains Monica Sweetheart, getting accidentally DAP'd, & her giggling about it, ll with her original 'big' nose, pre-character stripping surgery.

It was less then 10secs!
But yep, she reacted cool. Fact they didnt repeat it in a real DAP scene shows however, that she didnt wanna do it regularly or she asked just a hell of money for her 1st real DAP.
I always liked Monica Sweetheart quite a lot, though! Nice memory!

dap-addict wrote:Yep, I thought of getting an EA subscription for 1mt and downloading all CC and Rocco DAPs I have on dvd only, actually. Not sure it really works like this, though?
There should be about 50-100 EA dvd released scenes I'd wanna download. Dies it work like this? Or how many subscriptions I'd need. I didnt care much about it since I subscribed to LP 5y ago to be honest.

netzerkaiser wrote:By the way, Euro Angels Hardball 9: Screw University Of Advanced Anal Studies, contains Monica Sweetheart, getting accidentally DAP'd, & her giggling about it, ll with her original 'big' nose, pre-character stripping surgery.

It was less then 10secs!
But yep, she reacted cool. Fact they didnt repeat it in a real DAP scene shows however, that she didnt wanna do it regularly or she asked just a hell of money for her 1st real DAP.
I always liked Monica Sweetheart quite a lot, though! Nice memory!

I am off to bed soon DAPAddict. I feel for Monica Sweetheart & Orsi Shine, both beautiful ladies with big noses that had ill-advised nose-jobs, where the beautiful acquiline feture was destroyed for blandness.. I did same aged 19, & its my only regret... (being adopted, not knowing where I got it from... and something to be proud of... another story... still it takes balls aged 19). So glad you know Monicas 3 second DAP! Even I get turned on by that! I'm off to bed, up since 16:40 yesterday afternoon... cheers Brother.

Dap-addict : what's your favourite scene if u could only keep one in your thousands ?

Hotflash wrote:Dap-addict : what's your favourite scene if u could only keep one in your thousands ?

Incredible difficult and brutal question, Hotflash!
For reason of nostalgia as well as my own BTS contribution I'd choose the iconic DAP scene with Alysa and Kid and Ed today. I remember many hours of talk why DAP would kick off a porn career opportunity usually unmet in her age and marital status. I am glad she listened, convinced her hb and went for it!

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/227

dap-addict wrote:

Hotflash wrote:Dap-addict : what's your favourite scene if u could only keep one in your thousands ?

Incredible difficult and brutal question, Hotflash!
For reason of nostalgia as well as my own BTS contribution I'd choose the iconic DAP scene with Alysa and Kid and Ed today. I remember many hours of talk why DAP would kick off a porn career opportunity usually unmet in her age and marital status. I am glad she listened, convinced her hb and went for it!

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/227

Wow - what a story, & it turned out to be prophetic indeed. But before I saw the scene, I thought (hoped) you might be referring to beautiful Ukrainian Alessia Romei, another pioneer of DAP. https://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/alissa.html

netzerkaiser wrote:

dap-addict wrote:

Hotflash wrote:Dap-addict : what's your favourite scene if u could only keep one in your thousands ?

Incredible difficult and brutal question, Hotflash!
For reason of nostalgia as well as my own BTS contribution I'd choose the iconic DAP scene with Alysa and Kid and Ed today. I remember many hours of talk why DAP would kick off a porn career opportunity usually unmet in her age and marital status. I am glad she listened, convinced her hb and went for it!

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/227

Wow - what a story, & it turned out to be prophetic indeed. But before I saw the scene, I thought (hoped) you might be referring to beautiful Ukrainian Alessia Romei, another pioneer of DAP. https://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/alissa.html

But I think of turn of century, Melanie Petite / Melodie Parker, was one of most beautiful women ever in porn & she was incredibly one of first to do DAP. https://www.iafd.com/title.rme/title=do ... club-3.htm

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/86012

dap-addict wrote:

Hotflash wrote:Dap-addict : what's your favourite scene if u could only keep one in your thousands ?

Incredible difficult and brutal question, Hotflash!
For reason of nostalgia as well as my own BTS contribution I'd choose the iconic DAP scene with Alysa and Kid and Ed today. I remember many hours of talk why DAP would kick off a porn career opportunity usually unmet in her age and marital status. I am glad she listened, convinced her hb and went for it!

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/227

Thanks

netzerkaiser wrote:Wow - what a story, & it turned out to be prophetic indeed. But before I saw the scene, I thought (hoped) you might be referring to beautiful Ukrainian Alessia Romei, another pioneer of DAP. https://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/alissa.html

The Assman Alissa was much earlier, netzer!
She was also Ukrainian, imported to Bp by Nicoletta who was one of Frank Thrings first Daggie for his great ground-breaking Double Anal Club series btw. Old nostalgia - better only for PM, especially after what happened to Nicoletta (https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid= ... olette.htm) a few years later.

Anyway, no I meant the much later Russian Alysa. And yep, it was prophetic, but her talent felt at first sight and talk. If you meet such a women and you like porn you have to fight!

dap-addict wrote:

netzerkaiser wrote:Wow - what a story, & it turned out to be prophetic indeed. But before I saw the scene, I thought (hoped) you might be referring to beautiful Ukrainian Alessia Romei, another pioneer of DAP. https://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/alissa.html

The Assman Alissa was much earlier, netzer!
She was also Ukrainian, imported to Bp by Nicoletta who was one of Frank Thrings first Daggie for his great ground-breaking Double Anal Club series btw. Old nostalgia - better only for PM, especially after what happened to Nicoletta (https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid= ... olette.htm) a few years later.

Anyway, no I meant the much later Russian Alysa. And yep, it was prophetic, but her talent felt at first sight and talk. If you meet such a women and you like porn you have to fight!

You could write a book. Just another point, if you've influence you might raise it. Here is Nicole Black. She is so beautiful. There are probably 30 LP girls I could speak for when I make following point: Surely since so many of us find extensive DAP a turn-off, this could be allowed for, & a healthy percentage of their scenes (unfortunately Linda Sweet it seems its too late for) be non-DAP to cater for us? You might say, you'll find them on other sites. Maybe, but LP captures the ladies sheer beauty like no other. "Beer" is allowed for, surely same could be done here, though I know it'd be incredibly difficult to not disrupt flow of scene, hence my suggestion that at least some standard non-DAP films be made?

dap-addict wrote:Anyway, no I meant the much later Russian Alysa

Nice blast from the past, dap-a! Alysa was not among my favourite models, but exceptionally anal skilled for sure. One of the loosest assholes in the porn history: in that scene she even takes Kid's whole (!) fist inside her rectum. Actually not something I look for (fisting, especially male one, is not among my fetishes), nonetheless hugely impressive.

netzerkaiser wrote:Just another point, if you've influence you might raise it. Here is Nicole Black. She is so beautiful. There are probably 30 LP girls I could speak for when I make following point: Surely since so many of us find extensive DAP a turn-off, this could be allowed for, & a healthy percentage of their scenes...

Netzer, I cant get into details, you may PM me if you need more...
But very basic fact is that almost no scenes do cater for anyones fetishes and/or turn-offs 100%. So with Nicole Black I am afraid you have to watch her solo intros and single anal footage only if you can't watch DAP, because nobody will convince her to work for one third of her fee to cater for those who are catered for really enough on LP. Or the other way round: Can you imagine how many DP only scenes me and like-minded had to watch (sic!) hoping for at least a DAP attempt in the Golden Age past?! This experience made me basically to <FF> and skip footage I dont wanna watch and to watch only what I like. Every porn scene is a set of footages offer basically, choose what you enjoy watching with the girl you like, and be it Nicole Black the better!

edit: There was a short time here some years back I tried to convince LP to re-edit footage like accidental DPs to make porn scenes more consistent and more pure anal only, but I realized long ago that this approach is just not feasible at all. Thus please nobody remind me of my past mis-leaded irrealistic bs-crusade!
Clue to porn-watching in porn MOST films today is <FF> and jump with cursor!
This said, of course there still has to be a place for 0% pussy DAP as well as 0% DAP NHB!

dap-addict wrote:edit: There was a short time here some years back I tried to convince LP to re-edit footage like accidental DPs to make porn scenes more consistent and more pure anal only, but I realized long ago that this approach is just not feasible at all. Thus please nobody remind me of my past mis-leaded irrealistic bs-crusade!
Clue to porn-watching in porn MOST films today is <FF> and jump with cursor!
This said, of course there still has to be a place for 0% pussy DAP as well as 0% DAP NHB!

I understand completely. I was just venting my frustration! Thanks for great response. By the way, you are one consistent legend. I was looking up the beautiful Jenny Simpson on EBI & you were there 8EIGHT years ago with same avatar... LEGEND!

https://www.eurobabeforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7599

netzerkaiser wrote:

dap-addict wrote:edit: There was a short time here some years back I tried to convince LP to re-edit footage like accidental DPs to make porn scenes more consistent and more pure anal only, but I realized long ago that this approach is just not feasible at all. Thus please nobody remind me of my past mis-leaded irrealistic bs-crusade!
Clue to porn-watching in porn MOST films today is <FF> and jump with cursor!
This said, of course there still has to be a place for 0% pussy DAP as well as 0% DAP NHB!

I understand completely. I was just venting my frustration! Thanks for great response. By the way, you are one consistent legend. I was looking up the beautiful Jenny Simpson on EBI & you were there 8EIGHT years ago with same avatar... LEGEND!

https://www.eurobabeforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7599

8Eight years ago.. TWELVE years ago!!!

dap-addict wrote:Anyway, on the good side is I just reached 2222 LP DAPs in my collection!

2300 LP DAPs reached!
About 3750 DAPs in total incl dvds.
Moving pretty fast again towards 5000 DAPs, hope LP can hold production during all still possible part-lockdowns!
If EU stays open girls can earn and users be fed with what they need!

dap-addict wrote:Me, I shall collect further and hope to reach 5000 DAPs by no later than mid 2022.
Over 3000 DAPs will be LP DAPs by then.
100 of them by Kira Thorn, I hope!

Just passed the 4000 DAP threshold!
5000 by mid 2022 might be possible still even with production in Czech and Russia slowed down a bit again. Would mean 2,2 LP/AV DAPs every day. Lets see and stay optimist.