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guys, just a random question.
do you guys think that porn is getting less about hard scenes and more and more softer, specially in the usa?
i really really think that there is a real lack of gangbang bang, bukkake, DPs and monster cock scenes in the market at moment.
in the past there were so many great series...
man, everybody shoot gangbangs, messy facials and monster cock scenes...
now, you visit hardx, jules jordan, dogfart, bangbros, elegant angel, brazzers, interracialpass, blacked, blackd raw, americanpornstar, burning angel, evilangel, pink visual, even rocco and all other huge porn sites and you rare see monster cocks, gangbangs, dps and messy facials.
it looks like a real niche thing in the moment.
all this sites had series about this more hardcore sex, some of them had many many like pink visual and hushpass...
amazing gangbangs with monster cocks, series with amazing bukkakes to...
even the rare active nowadays monster cock guys like mandingo, shane, julio gomez, recently john rasputin (vlad on bangbros ) doesnt shoot gangbangs and dps scenes.
outside of legalporno we have very very little content.
theres a motive for this?
it doesnt sell to much nowadys?
it lacks male and female talent for this type of scenes?
its to expensive?
i really are curious about that...

No, I think it is your perception that is skewed.
Anal used to be the exception. Tushy, Holed, HardX etc etc only do anal nowadays. They even have TushyRaw
The amount of wet content is going up. Soon it will go from squirting to pissing even on US based sites.
Double anal is common.

If you want harder sex, I think what is needed is not more acrobatics but more contrast. Scenes will need to combine innocence with raw attitude.

ok!!!
we have a good content of anal sex but i am talking about gangbangs, dps, and monster facials with huge cocks.
i really think we had so much more in the past.
if you look to dogfart of years ago, there were many many scenes of bukkakes and DPs with napier, charlie mac, shorty mac and others.
bukkake scenes all week. now even when we have 3 or 4 guys, many of the scenes doesnt have DPs.
we had amazing series like gangbangsquad, gangland, spermglazed, covermyface, cumononherface, Little White Chicks Big Black Monster Dicks, elegant angel had the incredible massive facials series, and many many other series.
i don´t know.
i think that the volume in this subject is really really weak in the usa nowadays compared to the past!!

About american porn? Yes.

Actually they are most worried about making a great productions (Glamorous scenarios, stylism, staging, great outfits (about this i think they are very very good)). They have awesome and beautiful girls but their content is too "perfect and clean" in their best companies.

In the past they had a great director of facial/blowbangs like Jake Malone or Mike John/ Tim Von Swine (They did a great anal / DP / cumplay content). Also some interesting blowbang /facial series like massive facials / glazed and confused or Cum glazed. A good blowbang with sloppy blowbjobs and facials movies nowadays are almost inexistent (Maybe Mike adriano with him own series)

In the past they did hardcore and rough anal porn with incredible pornstars like Bobbi starr/ Annette Schwarz/ Tory lane.

Good lesbian anal series like Jay sin dit it are inexistent too

In terms of intensity and hardcore content they lose a lot

European porn is actually better in content

Not necessarily softer, but it is getting boring. There is no effort anymore. Blacked/Tushy/Vixen who are probably the biggest in the US, only do one type of scene. And here in Europe LP prefer qauntity over qaulity.

I think we need to admit, it isn't easy to get it right and we are a quite demanding bunch. I guess most porn consumers are quite happy.

I need something with more dialogue, more MILFS/Naughty mom's/amateurs,german boys getting their first experience, amateur blowbangs etc to complement the Legal Porno all white interior, no dialogue, no story stuff.

I would prefer a combination of LP nastiness and getting to know the personality of the actors. The Luna Oara videos had some of that and the scene where a girl was fucked already when she arrived on set out in the corridor was great. Casual pissing by the girls when you least expect is another turn on.

I agree the porn is getting boring, I see it that the average porn stud tries to make a name for themselves & in the process ends up sporting an image of domination & rough handling ( see James Dean). Throw in the current trend for inking & tattoos on most girls plus all the fake cosmetic treatments & the average porno is a dreadfully staged circus.
I'm fed up with the so-called Manhandling scenes of fake bodied tattoo'd ho's, buried under a pile of studs all trying to force dicks inside someone. The beauty & eroticism of pornography is being forgotten.

its sad!!
and even sites that made more hardcore gangbangs now look much more soft, like dogfart.
bangbros bring john rasputin to porn but instead of using him in hardcore gangbangs, is using he in boring scenes.
the girls that are doing more hardcore are becoming a bit to limited to...
here in legalporno and kink we are starting to see a kind of repetition of girls.
it looks that there sin,t many new models for hardcore ( massive facials, dps with big cocks ) stuff nowadays.
and the funny part is that there are many many cam girls in sites like [spam] that make fantasy bukkake videos and are being penetrated by really really huge dildos.

Evil angel used to be my go to site. They had the hottest girls, with gaping, cream farting, and all that sloppy nasty stuff. Now they don't do anything like that. Julesjordan used to have pretty good anal creampie drinking scenes but now they're not. It's all too glamorous now sadly lol

powerful76 wrote:here in legalporno and kink we are starting to see a kind of repetition of girls.
it looks that there sin,t many new models for hardcore ( massive facials, dps with big cocks ) stuff nowadays.

Talent scouting is in crisis, thats true and Giorgio GIO wrote a lot about it explaining quite a bit as of the why's.
Dubai options etc sure also take a lot of talents from porn.
But I think you see LP in too bleak colors.

yes!!!
its becoming really really rare monster cock x new talents in hard DPs, DVPs, piss and etc...
legalporno is the only with regular content...
really impressive this lack of content.
porn is really boring nowadays

misangrenegra2 wrote:About american porn? Yes.

I have to agree here. American porn has become has become very soft and boring.

Greg Lansky:

The king of copy&paste. Every scenes looks the same. The sex is slow/soft and i am sick and tired of Marcus Dupree and his little thin dick in every scene.

Jules Jordan:

The former king of anal. DreddDreddDreddDreddDreddDreddDreddDredd. Is all about slowmotion vag scenes with Dredd now. People pay to see a guy who is trying to tip fuck a girls vagina with his half hard dick. Sad what happened with JJV.

Mason:

Only watchable US studio IMO.

This depends on what you're watching. The latest manhandling scenes at LP have been pretty hard. Mike Adriano is still pumping out quality material, although Swallowed is struggling to find quality male talent to replace him. Facial Abuse is still super hardcore, but the quality of the girls has dropped significantly. The average site is pumping out more anal content than before and EA is featuring more DA thanks to the LP effect. Even the softer casting sites are requiring girls to do anal, ass to mouth and rimming on their audition tape.

Maybe porn isn't the problem. Maybe you need to do a porn reboot to reset your brain.

I wouldn't say porn is softer, but boring and even disgusting in the US.

In my opinion, 3 main problems in the US :

- Female Castings :

There was a brand new trend two years ago, which was quite funny and exciting at the beginning, making scenes with 18 years old "school girls" inthe porn industry, especially in the US. But nowadays, all the new actress are from this age and for me it's a huge mistake. These girls are just discovering their sexuality (they aren't guilty for that ), they can't perform as well as a woman who is in hes 30's !!! AND they don't look like real women...The result is that all their scenes are the same (intensivity, skills, positions, behaviour...). Perfect example for me : Autumn Falls : a splendid 18 y.o. teenager. I'm sure she will an be exciting sex freak at 25-30 y.o., but for now, she's just a teenager. Of course there are exceptions, but it is about 1% of these new porn models.
By consequence, they don't care about new real women (>25 y.o), like Tara Ashley or Gia Vendetti (who are classified as MILFS...What is wrong in their brains ???), and even less about 30-45 y.o. women... The only way they make them shoot is with kids like Jordi, Ricky Spanish, Tyler Nixon or head slap Kyle Mason. it is just disgusting, they deserve real man motherfu**ers !

- Male performers and castings :

For the last ten years, we have seen the same guys. And nowadays, they have some automatic ways to fuck (Manuel Ferrara for example, who always use the same order of positions in his scenes, check it ) and they are getting old...They don't perform as well as a few years ago. And it's just make me wanna puke hen I see grannies like Steve Holmes, Jules Jordan or Mark Wood, fatty Mike Adriano...tip fucking porn legends like Lisa Ann, Adriana Chechik or Veronica Avluv , or very skilled women like Angel Smalls, Anna De Ville, Jasmine Jae or Jane Wilde (just for examples)
And guys who shot like 0.1% of the scenes 5 years ago, because they were weak, are now at the first place to shoot (like Tommy Pistol, John Strong. Charles Dera, Alex tip fucker Legend, or Isiah Maxwell) But they are still weak, and even more !!!!
And let's talk about the new male performers : 99.9% of them are the weakest I have ever seen (fakest disqusting puking "harder" Markus Dupree is the best example for rating US "hard" porn at the moment...BULLSHIT. And a great performer like Angela White dare to compare him with a guy like Rocco, who was IN THE PAST the most famous porn actor in the world...What's wrong with you Angela? Are you blind ?).
If they were really professionnal, all these old producers ans actors would know that they would do better jobs if they were only behind the cameras! And they would spend money in doing some real male castings! It's a business, and an investment...

- Content :

Because of points 1 and 2, the content of sites and scenes is just getting more ans more boring, disappointing and frustrating.
Braz/BangB/NaughtyAm/Dogfart : That's not porn for me, it's unwatchable...The worst coming from Kukus Dupree >>> Go back to Siberia !!!
Tushy/Blaked/Vixen/Holed/Hardx : 99% of the scenes are just "First anal Try / First IR try". That wasn't the case a few years ago...
EA : the only regular good content is from Proxy Paige, shooting with europeans
JJ : what to say... ? Dredd, go back home for example !!
AF/DPF/DDF (Europe) : guys like Renato, Raul Costa, Thomas Stone, Zack or David Perry just need to retire. Personnally, I don't care if there are only 5-6 guys shooting in the scenes! Let's just keep the good ones


FOR LP CONTENT : the most attractive porn content nowadays :

GONZO : Be more creative in places/environnement of the scenes, less automatic in positions, more intense, adapt the size of the cocks with the capabilities of the girls (you could have 2 teams, the monster cocks one, and an other one). Let women express themselves (they are not just holes to fill), not only by oral, but by letting them fuck the guys. Submission is good, but giving the control to a woman and taking it back for a hard and intense pounding leads to excitment for all the actors (I think), and for the consumers
Only a few women can do great DAP, tip fucking DAP is not exciting at all for me.
I wanna see more complicity between women and guys, "gonzo" is not just a story of filling holes in my opinion
AND PLEASE be careful to the health of actors during the scenes : for example, when I see Charlie Mac totally drunk/drug with his glassy eyes, even lost by moments, it just make me want to slap him...Perhaps he would have i better "boner" if he was clean (at least during the scenes)...

GIO : I think women have pussies too, no ? a 90% only anal fucking could satisfied everyone

IV : Just one thing : find some great black dudes !!! Because I don't think you have the lowest sales because of the choice of the women...

AA : Give a important place of the choice of the male actors...Jmac, Xander and Chris Strokes could do a nice trio for example. And please make females understand that it is LP standard, not the bullshit fake hard (shouting, 75% of blowjob and saying constantly "yes" even if the guy is rowing to make is cock hard ) of the US

bob94600 wrote:AA ...) And please make females understand that it is LP standard, not the bullshit fake hard (shouting, 75% of blowjob and saying constantly "yes" even if the guy is rowing to make is cock hard ) of the US

LOL!

bob94600 wrote:
IV : Just one thing : find some great black dudes !!! Because I don't think you have the lowest sales because of the choice of the women...

Are you serious?

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hjohjole wrote:

bob94600 wrote:
IV : Just one thing : find some great black dudes !!! Because I don't think you have the lowest sales because of the choice of the women...

Are you serious?

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https://www.legalporno.com/model/4274/phoenix_madina
https://www.legalporno.com/model/3855/xxx_nikyta
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It was in general : There are exceptions for everything
Indeed, Sexy Susi and Phoenix Madina are special

Yes Porn is getting Softer.

Legal Porno is still the Hardest porn on the Web but it has become softer.

It's hard to put the nail on the head as to why this is happening. My only thinking is the Models have earning opportunities everywhere these days due to internet and can have more say so on the content on scenes they are appear in were before I think before the producers/Directors had more power in choosing the scenes and content they wanted.

Take a look at this scene from Everything Butt. You will never see anything like this nowadays.

https://www.kink.com/shoot/31439

It's a shame for us guys.

bob94600 wrote:
It was in general : There are exceptions for everything
Indeed, Sexy Susi and Phoenix Madina are special

I think it might be your taste in women that is a little bit special then. Because none of those women are anywhere near the top of a bestseller list and there are no other porn producers out there that are shooting a bunch of scenes with them.

If this is the price we have to pay in order to have hardcore porn then i just dont care anymore. If women like these are the only ones that are willing to do the nasty stuff that we like to see then im just done with porn altogether.
I don care if they are able to take a trailer truck and back it right up the asshole of someone like Jasmine Jae and then park it there. Im not watching that garbage.

Sure, US porn have gone soft nowadays. It was a lot harder back in the early 2000s with studios like Anabolic on top of the game.
But at least they still have a constant supply of fresh young talent. There is always some new teen anal talent right around the corner. That used to be the strong suit of europorn, but i guess times change...

hjohjole wrote:

bob94600 wrote:
It was in general : There are exceptions for everything
Indeed, Sexy Susi and Phoenix Madina are special

I think it might be your taste in women that is a little bit special then.
Sure, US porn have gone soft nowadays. It was a lot harder back in the early 2000s with studios like Anabolic on top of the game.
But at least they still have a constant supply of fresh young talent. There is always some new teen anal talent right around the corner. That used to be the strong suit of europorn, but i guess times change...

Let's just keep constructive please. These women are not my favorites at all, but I have to admit that they have some skills.
"Fresh young talents " = 18 y.o. teenagers in the US for the last two years. I just think that could be a little bit less restricitve, don't you ?
For Europe, 100% agree with you : there were, a few years ago, sites like FAQ/WTFpass/YounglegalPorn in which we regularly found new talents. There is just no "pilot" anymore to keep it going

It's a matter of taste... i like gangbangs but for me, the most important parts are glamourous/classy look, anal fuck focus and filming quality so Giorgio/LP is the best fit to me, just rough enough without degrading or ruining the make up/outfit, no need to beat women, i'm not a sadistic, legalporno is not a bdsm site the further i can remember. I don't think the hardcore porn will go harder.

My 2 cents why...

1) Money
Internet is flooded with free pirated content, before pornstars were a lot more $$$ rewarded for their performance, now it's harder to make money for a porn producer and even harder when you have to pay 10 guys for each scene. And also girls can make a shitone of money without working for a pro studio doing their own amateur stuff on [spam], without going hardcore by doing softcore, cam + [spam] or even without doing porn, like Lauren Alexis who make money with patreon just with teasing...



There is also [spam] with money income by products ads or game streaming. So with all these money opportunities, less and less women will reach the extreme hardcore spot just for money, especially the 10/10 girls.

2) Moral

Feminism and mentalities has evolved in our societies, women are far less abused by producers even if some still are, women don't want anymore to have a bad, degraded image that follow them their whole life because with internet it's really hard to delete what you have done and easier to be stalked with the birth of social medias so they do less degraded porn. That doesn't mean there are no sick minded women out there who still wants to be degraded. With this evolution, markets has changed and extreme/dirty hardcore is now a niche, there is more demand for classy porn in the pro industry, Greg Lansky and his dvd sales show this trend clearly.

It's hard time for you, but considering this context, i don't think the hardcore porn will go harder and become mainstream again like in 2000's and before. Also i think lot of people here are watching too much porn and got easily bored or/and are unrealistic, i mean like the author who think there are mandingo size actor at every street corner

Kaderon wrote:

misangrenegra2 wrote:About american porn? Yes.

I have to agree here. American porn has become has become very soft and boring.

Greg Lansky:

The king of copy&paste. Every scenes looks the same. The sex is slow/soft and i am sick and tired of Marcus Dupree and his little thin dick in every scene.

Jules Jordan:

The former king of anal. DreddDreddDreddDreddDreddDreddDreddDredd. Is all about slowmotion vag scenes with Dredd now. People pay to see a guy who is trying to tip fuck a girls vagina with his half hard dick. Sad what happened with JJV.

Mason:

Only watchable US studio IMO.

totally agree!!!
who is Mason??

this marcus dupree guy is really weak!
and i don´t understand why dredd, mandingo, vlad (john rasputin ) and other monstercock guys in the usa doesnt make hard scenes.
really boring stuff!!
even americanpornstar that shoot some incredible scenes in the past is really really slow nowadays....
wheres my incredible Dps with monstercocks from the past and the amazing bukkakes like the amazing massive facials series from elegent angel.
dogfart, elegant angel, devils film, all studios become a really boring and soft souless studios.
its a really bad moment for porn...
very little thick cock male talents and a really short amount of female models doing hard stuff...

Chi_Cha wrote:I..., i mean like the author who think there are mandingo size actor at every street corner

just to clarify, i dont think there are a huge amount of monstercoks like mandingo available to shoot.
i dont like the fact that the huge ones are not making hard scenes anymore.
i mean, john rasputin is very recent in the business and even him are not shooting gangbang scenes and before he become making porn there were some really good pics of him in hard gangbang fucking a amateur girl.
but i agree about what you told for the feminism stuff...
and for me is just sad that people still see hardcore porn as total degradation...
and many see people that do and like this kind of stuff as garbage people.
it´s just ridiculous but in fact a reality...

powerful76 wrote:guys, just a random question.
do you guys think that porn is getting less about hard scenes and more and more softer, specially in the usa?

it's not.
watch some 90's or early 00's scenes...a gentle DP was the hardest thing you could imagine. Bukkakes or rough scenes were almost like a clandestine stuff you had to go in a sex shop to find.

With internet there is SO MUCH porn you can consume, that we (porn consumers) have become habituated slowly like it happens with every drug addiction (and porn is an addiction). The stimulus has to be stronger and stronger to have an effect on you.

How can porn could be harder than women anus getting destroyed by multiple cocks, gang bangs, piss etc...things that are very common nowadays. What kid of stuff will we need to see to satisfy us next? women getting gang raped and killed?

Also porn is getting almost mainstream and a lot of big studios are practically making porn for teenager newbies and more "women consumers friendly" products.

But the very hard stuff is existing, you just have to look for it maybe a little closer.

Just my opinion

In late '90 JJ was shooting a DP after the other, Red Light District and Platinum gangbang and DP with DAP and creampiee, this in USA.
In europe Rocco was not a vanilla production and GGG was shooting pissing gangbang and bukkake, all available in any dvd rental not only at the sexy shop. Lets dont even talk about animal movies from south america.
In 2000, DP was very normal and DAP was performed often from every model that was up to do it, hard anal was common as today

Evil_Del wrote:

powerful76 wrote:guys, just a random question.
do you guys think that porn is getting less about hard scenes and more and more softer, specially in the usa?

it's not.
watch some 90's or early 00's scenes...a gentle DP was the hardest thing you could imagine. Bukkakes or rough scenes were almost like a clandestine stuff you had to go in a sex shop to find.

With internet there is SO MUCH porn you can consume, that we (porn consumers) have become habituated slowly like it happens with every drug addiction (and porn is an addiction). The stimulus has to be stronger and stronger to have an effect on you.

How can porn could be harder than women anus getting destroyed by multiple cocks, gang bangs, piss etc...things that are very common nowadays. What kid of stuff will we need to see to satisfy us next? women getting gang raped and killed?

Also porn is getting almost mainstream and a lot of big studios are practically making porn for teenager newbies and more "women consumers friendly" products.

But the very hard stuff is existing, you just have to look for it maybe a little closer.

Just my opinion

Giorgio Grandi wrote:In late '90 JJ was shooting a DP after the other, Red Light District and Platinum gangbang and DP with DAP and creampiee, this in USA.
In europe Rocco was not a vanilla production and GGG was shooting pissing gangbang and bukkake, all available in any dvd rental not only at the sexy shop. Lets dont even talk about animal movies from south america.
In 2000, DP was very normal and DAP was performed often from every model that was up to do it, hard anal was common as today

Evil_Del wrote:

powerful76 wrote:guys, just a random question.
do you guys think that porn is getting less about hard scenes and more and more softer, specially in the usa?

it's not.
watch some 90's or early 00's scenes...a gentle DP was the hardest thing you could imagine. Bukkakes or rough scenes were almost like a clandestine stuff you had to go in a sex shop to find.

With internet there is SO MUCH porn you can consume, that we (porn consumers) have become habituated slowly like it happens with every drug addiction (and porn is an addiction). The stimulus has to be stronger and stronger to have an effect on you.

How can porn could be harder than women anus getting destroyed by multiple cocks, gang bangs, piss etc...things that are very common nowadays. What kid of stuff will we need to see to satisfy us next? women getting gang raped and killed?

Also porn is getting almost mainstream and a lot of big studios are practically making porn for teenager newbies and more "women consumers friendly" products.

But the very hard stuff is existing, you just have to look for it maybe a little closer.

Just my opinion

exactly this gio!!!
its not like theres not hardcore and i don´t want things more hardcore that we are seeing here in legalporno.
legalporno is just perfect in the hardcore subject.
my point is there is very very less of this than a few years back.
in the beggining of the 2000 the gangbangs, bukakkes and DPs were much more used in all companys...
exactly what gio explain.
rocco, elegant angel, devilsfilm, dogfart and all others big studios american or not had gangbangs with big cocks and super messy facials all the time.
now it becomes much more niche and all this studios, apart from legalporno of corse, are shooting more 1 x 1 scenes.
anal is something that many still shooting, but multiple penetrations with big cocks and specially messy facials are much mor e rare nowadays.
its clear to me.

I think camming has meant that there are a lot of younger models who are only really dipping into hardcore in a very superficial way in order to draw potential followers to their cam accounts. they treat it as advertising rather than the main thing.
that may be how the market works best for them. if they can earn more from a day camming at home than a day in a studio hundreds of miles away, then why get on that plane. but obviously without some mainstream contact that isn't sustainable.

so i think a lot of the lighter end of the US porn scene may be to do with that.

and in order to make pretty uninteresting lame-tame non-anal scenes seem more than they are, porn companies play up the psychological angles that appeal to US markets. so a lot of cheerleader, cuck, dads and step daughters angles.

the US is pretty weird about that dads and stepdaughter thing compared to Europe it seems. it doesn't seem to be a thing in most European porn, certainly LP never makes scenes along those lines. but in the states it's a huge niche.

I have to say personally I don't much care for that scene or that idea. But if it flicks your switch, the US is ground zero for it.

But my impression is that over the last five years US porn has definitely got softer and less interesting.

Really.
The concept has changed a lot.
Today we have tinder that works as a simple and practical menu.

Just see how the sites have changed also the way people even fail to relate.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:In late '90 JJ was shooting a DP after the other, Red Light District and Platinum gangbang and DP with DAP and creampiee, this in USA.
In europe Rocco was not a vanilla production and GGG was shooting pissing gangbang and bukkake, all available in any dvd rental not only at the sexy shop. Lets dont even talk about animal movies from south america.
In 2000, DP was very normal and DAP was performed often from every model that was up to do it, hard anal was common as today

Yes, rampant piracy hollowed out the industry after that, completely destroying the profitable incentive that once existed in the late '90's & early '00's

Then the great recession nearly finished things off

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