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Why is it that Eastern European models either pick or are given American sounding names? 'Hana Montana' being the dumbest latest example that made me start this thread but it's obviously very common.

Personally I'd prefer they used names from their native countries instead. Obviously I know they won't be their real names but at least I can sort of make myself believe that they are. Hana Montana may just as well be called Daffy Duck for all the difference it would make in this regard!

Ultra-Gape wrote:Hana Montana may just as well be called Daffy Duck for all the difference it would make in this regard!

Bring on the Svetlanas , Katiushkas and Yekatherynas .

ayrtight wrote:Bring on the Svetlanas , Katiushkas and Yekatherynas .

I just had a quick Google and found the following list of a top 100 Easter European girls names, none of which look like they'd pose native English speakers any difficulty in pronouncing them (which I could see might be an argument against some names):

http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/penpals/stats.php3?Pays=XEE

Ultra-Gape wrote:Why is it that Eastern European models either pick or are given American sounding names?

English, rather than American.

Ultra-Gape wrote:I just had a quick Google and found the following list of a top 100 Easter European girls names, none of which look like they'd pose native English speakers any difficulty in pronouncing them (which I could see might be an argument against some names):

http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/penpals/stats.php3?Pays=XEE

Good part of this list is Englishized in writing (and probably later pronouncing). Never heard for some of them, btw.

Also, names with R (always) and several other letters ir combinations usually can't be pronounced by majority on West, so I suppose that fear of unpopularity plays a role in choosing something what is left like Olga, Elena, Magda, Ana, Sveta... Or some English name.

VBT_2 wrote:English, rather than American.

Nope. I'm English. Hana Montana is definitely trying to sound American .

Ultra-Gape wrote:

VBT_2 wrote:English, rather than American.

Nope. I'm English. Hana Montana is definitely trying to sound American .

Well, I always thought that Americans trying to sound English.

How they make a difference and how you notice it? More whore-sounding names? (I mean, what could be else, I didn't heard for any Stary Strippy Banery.)

VBT_2 wrote:Good part of this list is Englishized in writing (and probably later pronouncing). Never heard for some of them, btw.

Also, names with R (always) and several other letters ir combinations usually can't be pronounced by majority on West, so I suppose that fear of unpopularity plays a role in choosing something what is left like Olga, Elena, Magda, Ana, Sveta... Or some English name.

Picking pronounceable yet still Eastern European sounding names would to me still make more sense BTW, and I genuinely don't really understand why this isn't the norm. I'm sure for many part of the attraction of LP lies in the European girls - it certainly is for me.

VBT_2 wrote:Well, I always thought that Americans trying to sound English.

How they make a difference and how you notice it? More whore-sounding names? (I mean, what could be else, I didn't heard for any Stary Strippy Banery.)

Well Hannah Montana is an American TV show, and Montana is an American state .

VBT_2 wrote:Also, names with R (always) and several other letters ir combinations usually can't be pronounced by majority on West.

Not sure what you mean by this? Give me an example.

Iddaoeeok wrote:

VBT_2 wrote:Also, names with R (always) and several other letters ir combinations usually can't be pronounced by majority on West.

Not sure what you mean by this? Give me an example.

When Englishman or Frenchmen pronounce R, for - let's say - Russian on Hungarian it sounds like something closest to V, W or L. OK, German or Spanish "one-hit" hard-clear Rs are close to eastern one, but English language is lingua franca of porn.

Mixing vowels, that R, troubles with ł (changed in English or similar to l, ll), ž (j, z, zh, zsch), j (j, i, y, zh), ch (h, ch, sh, tsch, c, k), š (s, sh, ch, sch), ć (c, ch, ty), č (c, ch, tsch), ya (ya, a, ia, ja), ia (a, ia, ija, iya, ya, ja), i (ay, aj, ai, i), k (k, c, ch), e (e, ee, he), s (s, z), s (s, sh, ch, sch), sz (s, sz), nj (n, ny), n (n, nn, nj, ny), ni (ni, ny, nj), ect, from different languages. Writen? Spoken? Which way pronounced? Again writen? Original or Englishized? Mess.

So something as simple as Alisa soon could be Alisa, Alysa, Alyisa, Alyssa, Alyissa, Alisya, Alisha, Alysha, Alischa, Alisza, A... OK, I'm bored.

There is problems in both direction, btw. Eg, I met Elisabeta from France, and she pronounce her name as something closer to Eljiza(o)bet(a)o than Elisabeta.

VBT_2 wrote:So something as simple as Alisa soon could be Alisa, Alysa, Alyisa, Alyssa, Alyissa, Alisya, Alisha, Alysha, Alischa, Alisza, A... OK, I'm bored.

All of which would seem fine to me. The pronunciation would be however the model says it.

Thinking about it I guess with Hana Montana it was the whole combination of first name and second name that particularly jarred for me. Whether authentic or not, a name like Sandra Luberc for example just fits much better to me.

(I haven't seen Hana's scene BTW, and I'm not meaning this thread to be critical of her in any way.)

VBT_2 wrote:When Englishman or Frenchmen pronounce R, for - let's say - Russian on Hungarian it sounds like something closest to V, W or L. OK, German or Spanish "one-hit" hard-clear Rs are close to eastern one, but English language is lingua franca of porn.

That's really only a certain kind of English accent - specifically South East of England - there's plenty of other English speakers who can pronounce R's, Americans can for instance (mostly)!

Iddaoeeok wrote:

VBT_2 wrote:When Englishman or Frenchmen pronounce R, for - let's say - Russian on Hungarian it sounds like something closest to V, W or L. OK, German or Spanish "one-hit" hard-clear Rs are close to eastern one, but English language is lingua franca of porn.

That's really only a certain kind of English accent - specifically South East of England - there's plenty of other English speakers who can pronounce R's, Americans can for instance (mostly)!

After 1000s of movies and songs and peoples met... Could be that they can, but they don't do it. It's simply not needed in that form in English language, I guess. Otherwise I would say it looks like we speak about different voices.

Ultra-Gape wrote:

VBT_2 wrote:So something as simple as Alisa soon could be Alisa, Alysa, Alyisa, Alyssa, Alyissa, Alisya, Alisha, Alysha, Alischa, Alisza, A... OK, I'm bored.

All of which would seem fine to me. The pronunciation would be however the model says it.

Thinking about it I guess with Hana Montana it was the whole combination of first name and second name that particularly jarred for me. Whether authentic or not, a name like Sandra Luberc for example just fits much better to me.

(I haven't seen Hana's scene BTW, and I'm not meaning this thread to be critical of her in any way.)

But Luberc isn't Russian surname either (also isn't in female form, btw). OK, it must be some of Lubercs there, but, than again, there is probably couple of Montanas also.

I'm not working on ruining your topic. Idea is just fine in many aspects. Personally, I would like it. However, there is more reasons for English or American names:

- Topics about writing and pronouncing we already discuss. At best case scenario you'll get bunch of Olga Kokova pornstars (Monikas, Olgas, Elenas and very few other easy-to-clearly-pronounce ones). Btw, do we want new Black, Diamond or Gold families?

- It is somewhat easier to hide ID with foreign name. Eg, many Romanian girls used Monika or Veronica and similar ones in 1990s and somewhat hide themselves between 100s of Hungarian pornstars or other Hungarians which acted Hungarian Latinas or Italians. Long story shorter, some "Easteuropeans" are not Easteuropeans.

- It is not so important for them, girls in porn usually have several names.

- Girls in porn even often have fake nationalities (again, Hana Montana is one of them ).

- ...

This said, I have no intence to shift topic too far. Over & out.

Italian/Spanish names are fairly common too.

VBT_2 wrote:But Luberc isn't Russian surname either (also isn't in female form, btw). OK, it must be some of Lubercs there, but, than again, there is probably couple of Montanas also.

I acknowledged that Sandra Luberc's name might not be authentically Eastern European, but raised it to make the point that if I'm honest it's actually that it at least sounds plausible that matters to me. Hana Montana isn't. A Russian calling themselves say Jane Smith or Claire Jones wouldn't be either (picking English examples). 'Selvaggia' as a name is just fine by me on the other hand, even if a quick Google search shows it's actually an Italian word.

I'll just add that in the past I've watched lots of Rocco's movies, and if you go back to the early ones the models all used Eastern European names without it seemingly causing a problem.

I think it's because native pronunciation is quite painful for non-native speakers, and english is the most widely used language in the world with comparatively simple vocalization system. You can also mention, that the stage names are shorter and more laconic, rather than the real ones

VBT_2 wrote:Luberc isn't Russian surname either

Probably it is, because it's sounds very similar with the Lubercy river and Lyubertsy District in Moscow

probably because choosing and american or spanish sounding name makes it easier to type it on your research engine.

eastern european names can be complicated to type (even more with sticky fingers ) Too many A's, too many C, K, H, etc etc...

The name is like a brand name, it has to be simple, impactfull and talk to your subconscience
Exemple: American sounding name makes you look like a star, and spanish sounding is more exotic, French/italian sounding gives it a special touch also...eastern european names would make it look like a tennis player.

VBT_2 wrote:But Luberc isn't Russian surname either

It is so russian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyubertsy

VBT_2 wrote:But Luberc isn't Russian surname either (also isn't in female form, btw).

Its a reference to a town near Moscow and a USSR Youth Culture. Maybe she's originally from that town.

Generally most slavic names arent easily pronounceable, thus agents or directors or girls themselves choose easier stage names, most common reference is english, 2nd Italian.
This said ideal imho is a mix of Slavic origin and english or Italian family names or vice versa.
for instance: Lola, Kira, Julia (Lola Shine, Lola Bulgari, Kira Thorn, Julia Red etc.)
or Russian inspired family names, but easy ones, like: Kinski, Akulova
or geographic (and other) references like Luberc, Lati
with Anya Akulova we have actually an easy pronounceable fully slavic sounding stage name, and that with a KDH girl!

Evil_Del wrote:American sounding name makes you look like a star

I don't see this myself, rather finding American or English names sounding cheap/tacky vs classier Eastern European names. I couldn't say exactly why I feel like this, but I do.

My main point remains as it did when I started this thread though - managing to believe that the name is actually real adds to the fantasy to me.