Why Does IV Get So Much Negativity?

[LegalPorno2016]

I must be honest I have only seen a few of their scenes however I have noticed that according to the forum and the best sellers list they seem to fall short quite a bit. So why are they around if they are not selling and the fans don't like their work? I have not seen enough of their stuff to criticise but maybe someone who has can shed some light for me.

[blublubeacha]

maybe there are some retarded racists over here. might be one answer. sad if true obviously.

[ayrtight]

- Complaints from different models about shady practices .
- Some complain about the excessive use of clothes during the sex , myself included ... BUT some others seem to like it , so that´s kind of unresolved .
- Some complain about excessive or exclusive use of DAP and no more DP , myself included .... BUT again there are different opinions about that

Personally , until 6 months ago I saw some good scenes from them from time to time , mostly bcuz there was frequently double-blowjob during the DPs ( Susan Ayn , Nelly Kent ...) . I hope they can come back to a good form and strenghten their ethical standards .

[drevokocur66]

I must be honest I have only seen a few of their scenes however I have noticed that according to the forum and the best sellers list they seem to fall short quite a bit. So why are they around if they are not selling and the fans don't like their work? I have not seen enough of their stuff to criticise but maybe someone who has can shed some light for me.

Nothing to do with racism. In fact, the only reason they sell anything IS because it is interracial. The horrible unmotivated tip fucking is just about impossible to watch. I exclusively support wet content, and even that was difficult to watch. Skipped most of the footage.

[dap-addict]

- Complaints from different models about shady practices .

This!
But than sadly many users lack compassion for the girls and would just not care about such news.

So reason is somewhere else for users mainly, leading to low sales:
- tip fucking, lazy had asleep fucking, lacking work ethics by IV studs
- bad lighting, not ideal camera angels, too distant or too close camera often
- very formulaic way of shooting based on 2-3 positions only, hold for very long time with nothing happening
- no chemistry between girls and studs at all, just cold clean slow uninspired fucking
- frequent wood problems with lots of his studs
- Joachim putting his own personal interest above professionally and thus using his involvement just to get pussy to fuck in order to pop his load.

Interesting fact is also that some of the IV studs work much better and show much better work ethics when fucking for other LP studios, for instance check Darell @IV vs. @GIO.


Now about low sales: IV is almost constantly at the bottom of sales, recently even below the re-released original old DDF scenes re-titled as GlamPorn. BUT this just indicates there must be another more global deal for IV @ LP. One reason may be IV digging into the string US IR market, another might be Joachim to catch Eurobabes other studios can't for DAPbreakin's. IV would be used as a kind of LP-lab project if that is true. Also might be that IV isn't that independant as GIO or gonzo financially, but he's just getting payed a monthly salary for his job. Its just a guess, also trying to explain lacking work ethics, lacking urge to come to the forum and explain a thing or 2. Its all a but fishy with IV.
This said Joachim has for years and years been a nice porn guy basically.
One of his problems in communicating here could be French vs. English.

[dpconnoisseur1]

I must be honest I have only seen a few of their scenes however I have noticed that according to the forum and the best sellers list they seem to fall short quite a bit. So why are they around if they are not selling and the fans don't like their work? I have not seen enough of their stuff to criticise but maybe someone who has can shed some light for me.

I can only speak for myself and it is not about race. I hoped Joachim did well and hoped his studio would be an welcome addition to LP. First my favorite fetish is multiple penetration in general (DP, DA, DV, TP) but specifically DP. Next on the list is interracial and by that mean all types but I know porn companies only concentrate on white/black interracial. Getting back to IV though is 4 things and it used to be 5 but IV listened to our complain about the age of their models but nothing else.
Issues IMHO

1. Initially models were to old (FIXED)
2. TIP FUCKING which used to major problem for LP consumers before the DAP consumers started taking over in 2016
3. The male on the bottom of a multiple penetration segment hardly ever moves reducing scene intensity. Did her fall asleep ?
4. Camera angles just terrible. To much time spent away from showing the models face and body (better angles in some later scenes)
5. Overall lack of chemistry or intensity

This is what I consider IV Gold standard too bad there are few scenes that meet them (these also suffer from my above list but not to the same level of all others):
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32860/ ... ulls_iv081
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32327/ ... hamp_iv041
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32216/ ... _her_iv035
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32148/ ... _ass_iv033
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33029/ ... udes_iv091

I'm always open to purchase more scenes from them but the have some major issues that they need to correct.

[kidloco2]

+ mostly good girls
+ nice intro with squatting on anal dildo (not anymore!)
+ another studio shooting DAP

- ridiculous camera work
- ridiculous editing
- almost no gapes

[magizi877]

I think it's a matter of perspective.

By offering their scenes on LP, LP users can and will compare IV's scenes to Gonzo's and other studios.

Gonzo's scenes are depicting high energy sex, passionate hard fucking sex.
IV scenes are basically the opposite. (read, lame sex).

Under IV's direction, male actors do not fuck models with any sign of passion.
They hire guys with big dicks and then proceed to fuck the models with just the tip of their cocks.

Why bother with big dicks if you are only using one third of the length anyway?

IV movies are not exciting to watch. Period.

I'm saying this because I have seen IV male actors work under Luis, and their performance is completely different.
The 'lameness' somehow disappears when they work for Luis. /haha.

ALSO, IV's camera-work is worse than all the other studios.
The way they frame the action further exacerbates how lame the sex is, IMO.

Also the camera angles leave a lot to be desired to fully enjoy the model's beautiful features.

They basically do it all wrong, haha.

[zigzg009]

I must be honest I have only seen a few of their scenes however I have noticed that according to the forum and the best sellers list they seem to fall short quite a bit. So why are they around if they are not selling and the fans don't like their work? I have not seen enough of their stuff to criticise but maybe someone who has can shed some light for me.

I can only speak for myself and it is not about race. I hoped Joachim did well and hoped his studio would be an welcome addition to LP. First my favorite fetish is multiple penetration in general (DP, DA, DV, TP) but specifically DP. Next on the list is interracial and by that mean all types but I know porn companies only concentrate on white/black interracial. Getting back to IV though is 4 things and it used to be 5 but IV listened to our complain about the age of their models but nothing else.
Issues IMHO

1. Initially models were to old (FIXED)
2. TIP FUCKING which used to major problem for LP consumers before the DAP consumers started taking over in 2016
3. The male on the bottom of a multiple penetration segment hardly ever moves reducing scene intensity. Did her fall asleep ?
4. Camera angles just terrible. To much time spent away from showing the models face and body (better angles in some later scenes)
5. Overall lack of chemistry or intensity

This is what I consider IV Gold standard too bad there are few scenes that meet them (these also suffer from my above list but not to the same level of all others):
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32860/ ... ulls_iv081
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32327/ ... hamp_iv041
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32216/ ... _her_iv035
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/32148/ ... _ass_iv033
https://www.legalporno.com/watch/33029/ ... udes_iv091

I'm always open to purchase more scenes from them but the have some major issues that they need to correct.

You hit the nail on the head. I was okay with the older women and totally agree with the other issues. IV scenes usually go for 5 tickets and I expect much more if I am paying that much. The lack of intensity is a big one for me when it comes to IV. I don't believe it's the ladies because I have seen their other performances some of which are right here with other LP studios. If there are models who can't perform, don't bring them and charge 5 tickets for a tip and low energy performance. I have also seen a number of Joachim's older scenes in which he was more intense than he is now. There are great models who go through IV but the guys need to perform better. Today, I gave in and bought the Nikki Hearts scene. I won't say I regret doing so because I like Nikki Heart and her look. However, many of the issues dpconnoisseur1 points to are in that scene. It's time for IV to take it to a different Mike Chapman like level. I am still a hopeful fan.

[shark1]

Plus, they used to have the best 4k video quality of all other studios, but it has really gone downhill unfortunately as they changed to softer lighting and started using a camera that is not as good.

[petermc934]

Simple answer for me is that they stopped shooting wet content so I stopped buying any of their scenes.

[drevokocur66]

Simple answer for me is that they stopped shooting wet content so I stopped buying any of their scenes.

Same here, but I mostly FF to piss parts of the scene. Rest was unwatchable.

[geralt_]

Yeah there are various shortcomings of the IV scenes.

But I kinda sense a fatigue of interracial scenes.
Some days all updates are interracial and there is some obsession with big black cocks and that there have to be atleast one black guy in every single scene by all studios on LP.

So for all interracial fans the other studios also release so many all interracial scenes that IV cant compete in an already flooded market.

[dap-addict]

When they started it was only IV doing IR/BBC but they weren't better quality.
Now they have lots of competition and they didnt get much better in quality,
Joachim doesnt listen to users, nor fans, he just doesn't care.

[geralt_]

When they started it was only IV doing IR/BBC but they weren't better quality.
Now they have lots of competition and they didnt get much better in quality,
Joachim doesnt listen to users, nor fans, he just doesn't care.

I kinda wonder about the neccesity of IV. Checked best sellers of 2018 first IV scene was at like place 25.
And since the other studios also put out a lot of interracial scenes that sells a lot better its better to just have gonzo or gio putting out more of those scenes that the fans really like/love than a separate studio that cant live up to the quality of this site and the other studios.

[drevokocur66]

When they started it was only IV doing IR/BBC but they weren't better quality.
Now they have lots of competition and they didnt get much better in quality,
Joachim doesnt listen to users, nor fans, he just doesn't care.

I kinda wonder about the neccesity of IV. Checked best sellers of 2018 first IV scene was at like place 25.
And since the other studios also put out a lot of interracial scenes that sells a lot better its better to just have gonzo or gio putting out more of those scenes that the fans really like/love than a separate studio that cant live up to the quality of this site and the other studios.

One would think, LP would want studios to make them more money, not less.

[dap-addict]

One would think, LP would want studios to make them more money, not less.

This is why I think there must be a special deal for IV/Joachim Kessef.
A deal which isn't so much sales based, but based on sth else he can provide to LP.
Or its maybe jus a French-French solidarity deal LOL!

[drevokocur66]

One would think, LP would want studios to make them more money, not less.

This is why I think there must be a special deal for IV/Joachim Kessef.
A deal which isn't so much sales based, but based on sth else he can provide to LP.
Or its maybe jus a French-French solidarity deal LOL!

That would explain the "why even try" attitude.

[kidloco2]

It's easy - IV provides content for IR oriented ppl, it provides more girls, more scenes. That's all LP wants.

I wish Joachim would put more effort in the nice camera work (where you can better see "everything"), editing (no frenetic or excessive cutting) and overall better transfer the heat of the anal sex to the picture. and ADD SOME MORE GAPES!

[drevokocur66]

I remember XXX complaining about losing money on Gonzo releases while back. How is IV different?
January 2019...

Sophia Laure has black feeling IV252 Can't even get pass all the Gp scenes... Solid worst seller for the month so far.
Emma Klein goes crazy for black cocks IV236 Number two worst seller.
Francesca Dicaprio is back to have more fun IV244 Third place bottom feeder for the month.
Andi Rye continues exploring black feeling IV246 Fourth worst.
Victoria Pure finally takes two cocks in the ass IV235 Number seven.

Out of 6 IV releases so far this month, 5 are in the bottom 7. IV releases get routinely outsold by some GP releases,
XXX? Are you happy with the IV sales? Month after month of similar results. Does this not warrant any change? Or are you ecstatic with the results.

[error01x]

Camera angle is horrible!

[daptap]

After all that has been already said, my opinion on this is that they lack of good "testosterone". The male models are just not good performers.

And this is not about racial (I am a huge fan of interracial material), its about performance. Usually the male models like it was said do not show passion, hunger, "testosterone"...

And btw most of them have regular size cocks with wood problems. Bring some huge black cocks, maybe amateurs from Pascal (French-Bukkake) and it will improve or just on the other side make it more amateur and you'll get something new on LP.

[Dudemeister]

Most negative aspects have already been mentioned.

Personally I think they really have a problem with the presentation of the models. The stylings and outfits always look kinda trashy to me. And they literally NEVER let the models wear their heels throughout the scene. So I'm not buying any of their stuff.

[drevokocur66]

We have a new bottom dweller champion. Phoenix Madina comes to test the tips of half limp black bulls IV259, fails to clear the last four GP scenes.

[bobby9934]

The sex is boring.

[lambok]

We have a new bottom dweller champion. Phoenix Madina comes to test the tips of half limp black bulls IV259, fails to clear the last four GP scenes.

I agree. But if you look in her model thread here in forum, there is already a cheering opinion, someone was stunned about the scene and says it is great

I think the reason is, that some people when they watch porn, they don´t watch it in a technical way, I mean they don´t care about positions, about the penetration itself, about camera angle, about intensity, about the fact that the dick is 1cm inside the woman. They are happy about the simple fact that their favorite actress is doing some porn-act (DAP, TP, pissdrink atc) even if the scene itself is trash.

Hope you can understand what I mean, english is not my language

[drevokocur66]

We have a new bottom dweller champion. Phoenix Madina comes to test the tips of half limp black bulls IV259, fails to clear the last four GP scenes.

I agree. But if you look in her model thread here in forum, there is already a cheering opinion, someone was stunned about the scene and says it is great

I think the reason is, that some people when they watch porn, they don´t watch it in a technical way, I mean they don´t care about positions, about the penetration itself, about camera angle, about intensity, about the fact that the dick is 1cm inside the woman. They are happy about the simple fact that their favorite actress is doing some porn-act (DAP, TP, pissdrink atc) even if the scene itself is trash.

Hope you can understand what I mean, english is not my language

That would be rare for me. I have done that, but it is extremely rare, and boring to a point. Mostly if it is early work of an actress I absolutely adore. I will watch it out of curiosity.

I don't watch scenes that have no anal. Exceptions to that are Piss, Full length deep throat, Fisting. But even then, I wish there was anal when I watch it, I mean when I skip to the good parts.
Scenes with small and/or half limp dicks, and/or tip fucking, are a complete disaster, and I skip most of the footage.
Things that make a scene boring.. small butt plugs/toys, lack of intensity, no ATM, too many cuts and shitty editing.

iv sums up all of that, and even when I spent tickets for iv wet content, I skipped most of the footage because it was utter shit.

[drevokocur66]

The dumpster trend continues.
1-3 bottom selling scenes fail to clear GP threshold.
4 and 5 barely do.
7th and 9th place also belong to iv, but that may change. Who knows, by the end of the month, we may have a solid special olympycs iv section.

[Caveman39]

Well, maybe because they continue to work with guys like Chikito, who's nasty dick is full of genital warts/lumps. It shows a total lack of respect towards the models having to work with him.Having him before the camera is bad for business. It's scaring away customers, and traumatizing models.
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[batard94]

IV is boring
just like tushy vixen

[endrjuC]

IMO all of IV videos are similar one to another, even the costumes are always the same. Boring.

[Object_O]

Can't believe those raising the racist card again while totally making abstraction of the tip fucking, lazy dispassionate cold boring fucking style so obvious in IV
Interracial vision is an absolute waste of hot smoking pussy
What's ironic is the porn category "Interracial" is itself a racist term: confronting one human kind (White, Latino, Black, Asian, etc.) against another
Hypocrisy at its best

[drevokocur66]

4 iv scenes released so far this month, and if we don't count GP476 that splits them in half, iv studio is again occupying bottom 4 places on the best seller list. Congrats guys. Way to stick with it.

[teammelee15]

Ive given them credit on a few scenes they have shot. But as of lately the camera work is BAD! They are zooming in to far on the girl And Sideways) and zoom way to far on the Genitals.... Their all over the place. Must have a bunch of different monkeys running the camera over there....

[geralt_]

I wish that IV could shift focus, lets bring on the black and ethnic girls and focus on that, and pick the best male perfomers black or white with no focus on their skin color, just who are the best fuckers.

[drevokocur66]

5 for 5. 5 scenes so far this month, and iv is occupying the bottom 5 best seller list, not to mention 3 of those can't get pass the GP release threshold. How much worse can it get?

[drevokocur66]

5 for 5. 5 scenes so far this month, and iv is occupying the bottom 5 best seller list, not to mention 3 of those can't get pass the GP release threshold. How much worse can it get?

I stand corrected. 6 scenes, and iv258 managed to claw itself out of the basement.

[bob94600]

In this configuration, their scenes are just a waste of time, and the worst entrance in LP for every women who wants to.
I think they need to change ALL the actors, guys like Joss Lescaf would do better scenes for sure.

[dap-addict]

and the worst entrance in LP for every women who wants to.

How you know?
IV is said to pay best of all studios.
Its also easier to perform for girls with half limp dicks, its just not such a hard job, you know.
Also limited positions ask for much less flexibility, its also easy positions IV usually uses.
There are some cons like long working hours and some other problems, though, true. Its also why not so many girls go back there. But for a start as you claim, maybe not worst option.

Btw, that it doesn't sell and most users dont like, both things which dont seem to bother Joachim/IV, it is a completely other aspect of course!

[drevokocur66]

lol Bottom of the heap 1-7 scenes belong to iv so far for the month, and none of those clear the GP threshold. I wonder if iv can make bottom 1-10 before the month is out.