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LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:25 pm

by dap-addict

Hey, I just analyzed some sales statistics and it looks like since the great US market opening LP has started to offer softer and softer anal hardcore content.
Its nothing dramatic so far, but its a clear tendency, we Europorn fans might feel an urge to fight back...

Based on TOP100 sales of 2016 and 2018 it looks like DAP sales share has been going down dramatically at the end of that period.
This might result in less DAPs produced eventually as market logic will make directors invest rather into much cheaper DP scenes if they sell that good in new circumstances.
2015 I didnt include in that data since GIO studio started only in 2nd half of that year really.

Market shares of DAP - DP only - anal only in the 100 best selling LP scenes of that year:
2016: 90% DAP - 9% DP - 1% anal only
2017: 90% DAP - 10% DP
2018: 75% DAP - 23% DP - 2% anal only

Thus "thanks" to bigger LP user base won over with US based studios and US star imports to Prague the relative vanilla-ized DP only scene share went up from 9% (2016) to 23% (2018)!

Now I am not against DP as such, but compared to DAP its a so much easier to perform porn act, which is also reflected in all relevant EU going rates.
This of course says nothing about the quality of the sex act performed, thats another discussion!
Its just about pushing limits and here it goes lez>oussy only>anal>dp/dpp>DAP>TAP, even many dp/dpp's may be performed much harder and better than some DAPs of course. But as stated thats another discussion. Fact is DAP is still dominant in TOP selling LP scenes, but not as dominant as before.
And to tell the truth, I'd rather educate US porn users to DAP than vanilla-ize LP for them!

Because where does this end? LP turning into Tushy 2.0 crossed with DDF by 2025?

Re: LP vanilla alert!

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:37 pm

by ayrtight

Re: LP vanilla alert!

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:07 pm

by xersesxox

dap-addict wrote:Hey, I just analyzed some sales statistics and it looks like since the great US market opening LP has started to offer softer and softer anal hardcore content.
Its nothing dramatic so far, but its a clear tendency, we Europorn fans might feel an urge to fight back...

Based on TOP100 sales of 2016 and 2018 it looks like DAP sales share has been going down dramatically at the end of that period.
This might result in less DAPs produced eventually as market logic will make directors invest rather into much cheaper DP scenes if they sell that good in new circumstances.
2015 I didnt include in that data since GIO studio started only in 2nd half of that year really.

Market shares of DAP - DP only - anal only in the 100 best selling LP scenes of that year:
2016: 90% DAP - 9% DP - 1% anal only
2017: 90% DAP - 10% DP
2018: 75% DAP - 23% DP - 2% anal only

Thus "thanks" to bigger LP user base won over with US based studios and US star imports to Prague the relative vanilla-ized DP only scene share went up from 9% (2016) to 23% (2018)!

Now I am not against DP as such, but compared to DAP its a so much easier to perform porn act, which is also reflected in all relevant EU going rates.
This of course says nothing about the quality of the sex act performed, thats another discussion!
Its just about pushing limits and here it goes lez>oussy only>anal>dp/dpp>DAP>TAP, even many dp/dpp's may be performed much harder and better than some DAPs of course. But as stated thats another discussion. Fact is DAP is still dominant in TOP selling LP scenes, but not as dominant as before.
And to tell the truth, I'd rather educate US porn users to DAP than vanilla-ize LP for them!
Because where does this end? LP turning into Tushy 2.0 crossed with DDF by 2025?

As far I am concerned , maybe, many people are simply a bit bored of " extreme " sex and , based on world statistics ( reliable ) the classical porno is always the most viewed one ( I would add anal sex + DP as well )

The classical LP " member/viewers " will always find what they are looking for :Anal, DP DAP , Gangbang, blacks or even TAP , but, tastes can always change.

Many porno actresses , more or less famous " does not feel to get 2 penis in their rectum , or, to make sex with many guys, white and black both.

I think it is only a matter of choices, nothing else.

Re: LP vanilla alert!

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:21 pm

by ZiziMinuscule

I'm really sorry to say that, dap-addict, but nobody takes You seriously anymore.

Re: LP vanilla alert!

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:35 pm

by dap-addict

Well, sales they do take seriously!

And forum takes dreams seriously, but only their own.
And me, I won't buy GIO DPs without DAPbreakin' later and GIO knows that! And they know that EU users are still important factor. I'm just pointing to those stats and facts thats all.

Re: LP vanilla alert!

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:20 am

by dap-addict

dap-addict wrote:Market shares of DAP - DP only - anal only in the 100 best selling LP scenes of that year:
2016: 90% DAP - 9% DP - 1% anal only
2017: 90% DAP - 10% DP
2018: 75% DAP - 23% DP - 2% anal only

Was just interested how this would correlate with DPP:
Now not DPP alone since there is luckily no pussy only/DPP scenes on LP and hopefully such softcore will never be shot. So just counted DPP/DVP mentioned in scene title . Probably therre would be 2-3 times more scenes if I went into tags of that scene, but I just wanted to make a quick count to check wheter there is a certain slow vanilla-ization tendency as well.

2016: 2 DPP/DVP mentioned in title (up to 6 DVP in reality?)
2017: 6 DPP/DVP mentioned in title (up to 18 DVP in reality?)
2018: 7 DPP/DVP mentioned in title (up to 21 DVP in reality?)

Now, looks like a big DPP/DVP increase already in 2017, but to get some really reliable data I'd need one or some of the DPP experts here to get a closer look inside those scenes scanning for DPP/DVP tags or even un-tagged DPP/DVP. So far its difficult to say anything except that DPP/DVP isn't very popular at LP so far.

Re: LP vanilla alert!

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:41 am

by dap-addict

DPP/DVP as vanilla-ziation indicator...

Found a better indicator here: https://www.legalporno.com/filter?niche=double_vaginal_dpp&general=release&page=1 (dpp tagged scenes ordered acc. release date)
Its not based on TOP100 selling scene, but all LP scenes. But it still gives a very good indication of tendency.

2016: 25 DPP/DVP scenes
2017: 51 DPP/DVP scenes
2018: 21 DPP/DVP scenes

Now thats an interesting result indeed!
2017 as an absolute peak year yielding more dpp scenes as 2016 and 2018 taken together!
Sure no clear vanilla-izaion indicator here, though.
Still would need DPP experts insight because the tagging system is sure not complete. But overall tendency will probably not change, or does it?

Re: LP vanilla alert!

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:50 am

by dap-addict

Btw what these stats show...

1) TOP100 selling based dpp scenes (tile mention only!):

dap-addict wrote:2016: 2 DPP/DVP mentioned in title (up to 6 DVP in reality?)
2017: 6 DPP/DVP mentioned in title (up to 18 DVP in reality?)
2018: 7 DPP/DVP mentioned in title (up to 21 DVP in reality?)

2) all DPP production by LP in given year:

dap-addict wrote:DPP/DVP as vanilla-ziation indicator...

Found a better indicator here: https://www.legalporno.com/filter?niche=double_vaginal_dpp&general=release&page=1 (dpp tagged scenes ordered acc. release date)
Its not based on TOP100 selling scene, but all LP scenes. But it still gives a very good indication of tendency.

2016: 25 DPP/DVP scenes
2017: 51 DPP/DVP scenes
2018: 21 DPP/DVP scenes

...is that DPP is no porn sex content selling a scene better.

DPP is no sales argument. So much those stats show.
But also there is no increase in DPP offered which doesn't surprise since that content doesnt sell. But it could be an argument if DPP was popular amongst US clients. Is it? I simply dont know. Its a minor sex act fetish in LP terms so far I'd reckon.

At contrary wet and DAP for sure IS a sales argument with LP users.
Interesting would be a correlation of also fetishes like manhandle, foot fetish etc.

Re: LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:18 am

by allerius4

There is much more DPP than there is shown in the titles or tags. Sadly about half of the scenes containing DPP isnt tagged as DPP. Thats mainly because of Mike Angelo and Ian Scott, they were trying DPP with girls in middle of the shoot even though it wasnt planned. (especially Mike). Overall the 2017 year was the best because of it. Amount of DPP from 2017 decreased a bit but the dpp is longer and its planned beforehand for the scene. Also the demand for DPP is rising on forums, polls and suggest page.

I will have to get closer a look at this, I dont have much time currently but I dont think you got everything right. You can say that DPP doesnt sell, just look at the latest Angel Piaff vid. Yes it does sell less than DAP but it still sells and its good way to make DP scene sell for higher by putting DPP in it if the girl id able to do DPP and not DAP yet.

I will try to get the data right later and update these statistics.

Re: LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:20 am

by allerius4

Also,DPP is vanilla for just you. I explained this before but big majority of people dont take DPP as softcore or vanilla..

Re: LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:07 pm

by Sir Noel

I agree with some people who point out your definitions of what is harder are just that, YOUR definitions.
I know before we have disagreed on these issues but for me anal only scenes are more vanilla than anal with A2P, for example.
I would also say that anal fisting > DAP. Maybe not historically (1980s-90s) but now many of these girls can seem to take DAP no problem for a long time but a fist in the ass seems harder for them.
Lastly, I also want to say some of what you see is not harder to softer but rather Giorgio losing some ground to Gonzo. Now YOU may see that as softer, or more vanilla, as you are obsessed by DAP and nothing else but I find a scene like the intense and DEEP anal DP and A2P of Cindy Shine's latest scene as harder than a typical GG DAP scene

Re: LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:28 am

by dap-addict

Well hardcore vs. softcore / hard vs. soft is not about how hard mechanically is getting fucked (here currently for sure Veronica Leal wins) but a porn or erotic art historic term.
For the reason all porn sex not including anal is deemed soft or "softcore", incl. dpp which is pretty difficult to perform for many girls and some even more difficult than DAP. Anal fisting, especially taking not only girls but also studs fist into ass is of course more hardcore that DAP. Basically what is hard and what soft is still reflected by the ladder of going rates for sex acts performed by the girls, i.e. there anal is payed less than DP and DP less than DAP - and that no matter wheter a girl does ATM, PTM etc.

Btw, softcore is called the depiction of vaginal intercourse without showing vaginal penetration.

But here we are porn users talking to each other, thus soft/hard has other meaning.

Re: LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:51 am

by xersesxox

dap-addict wrote:Well hardcore vs. softcore / hard vs. soft is not about how hard mechanically is getting fucked (here currently for sure Veronica Leal wins) but a porn or erotic art historic term.
For the reason all porn sex not including anal is deemed soft or "softcore", incl. dpp which is pretty difficult to perform for many girls and some even more difficult than DAP. Anal fisting, especially taking not only girls but also studs fist into ass is of course more hardcore that DAP. Basically what is hard and what soft is still reflected by the ladder of going rates for sex acts performed by the girls, i.e. there anal is payed less than DP and DP less than DAP - and that no matter wheter a girl does ATM, PTM etc.

Btw, softcore is called the depiction of vaginal intercourse without showing vaginal penetration. But here we are porn users talking to each other, thus soft/hard has other meaning.

Soft/hard/glam/extreme is always pornography, nothing else , and, it is up to a porno actress to take the right decision and, many, do not want to end up worn out by too much pornography extreme

I think it is not a matter of money : several porno actresses , more or less famous, earn more money with webcam sessions, gadgets, escort service etc etc.

Re: LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:01 am

by dap-addict

Of course there is different ways to earn money and every girl has to decide for herself and all options have pros and cons.
For sure however its not like on-set hardcore porn of the more extreme kind would wear out girls, its also not possible as there is simply not so many such scenes and all those "wearing out" hype is mainly created by porn users now knowing or not caring how these videos are shot actually.

Anyway, I only cited the ladder of going fees as a kind of objective reference point on what is considered as pretty "soft" porn sex act and thus payed much less and what as a pretty "hard" porn sex act and thus payed much more. Generally fact is that pussy only has quite low going rates and anal only acts have quite high going rates. DP consisting of both is somewhere in the middle. (once, end 80ties, DP was really payed top, but thats long ago!)

Re: LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:06 am

by SimplyStunning

@dap-addict, you do realize no one cares about what you define hardcore or softcore to be or rewritten porn history? Whatever fantasy world you live in remember is just that fantasy. Your definitions mean nothing outside your head or whatever desensitize DAP obsessed sheeples that support you.

Re: LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:22 am

by xersesxox

SimplyStunning wrote:@dap-addict, you do realize no one cares about what you define hardcore or softcore to be or rewritten porn history? Whatever fantasy world you live in remember is just that fantasy. Your definitions mean nothing outside your head or whatever desensitize DAP obsessed sheeples that support you.

Everyone has own obsessions and dap-addict is obsessed with DAP nothing else
Porno actresses are simply professionals and some can make almost everything for money ( extreme, interracial fee etc etc )

Re: LP vanilla alert??

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:18 am

by xersesxox

xersesxox wrote:
SimplyStunning wrote:@dap-addict, you do realize no one cares about what you define hardcore or softcore to be or rewritten porn history? Whatever fantasy world you live in remember is just that fantasy. Your definitions mean nothing outside your head or whatever desensitize DAP obsessed sheeples that support you.

Everyone has own obsessions and dap-addict is obsessed with DAP nothing else
Porno actresses are simply professionals and some can make almost everything for money ( extreme, interracial fee etc etc )

Interesting link :

https://womenintheworld.com/2015/09/04/ ... black-men/

So, a porno actress does not have necessarily to make extreme scenes to earn more money....