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Am I the only one who di mind seeing mostly faked DAPs (advertised as DAP), where there is only one cock fully inside and the bottom cock just pushes the asshole in to look like there's actual double penetration?
90% is fake. No real penetration. It's a fact, no news for me. But I hate it. I want to see VERY CLEARLY that both dicks are in.

If this would be real, we would have 80% less DAP. Fcukin marketing.

What is fully inside, kid?
And how much inside is just pretending?
I do mind that tendency, too, and I did write a lot recently about low profile anchoring in DAP, ie. bottom cock's DAPing badly or not at all. But 90% of scenes is too much, or do you wanna say 90% of all DAP footage?

For instance I just re-watched Joanna Bujoli Monsters of DAP scene for GIO today. There half way through the 3-4min rcdap footage you have Angelo Godshack popped out actctually as anchor but for a few secs it looks like he was inside her ass still DAPing here. But this is happening 10% of her rcdap footage and no way just a DAP attempt overall for her.

oh, you ppl are finally realizing this? lol

This is why I generally skip the DAP footage.

I can count with 2 hands the girls that can do REAL DAP scenes nowdays one example is Anna De Ville, the rest are pure marketing and pure circus but you guys keep promoving this "DAP circus" buying their scenes just because they have the DAP tag on them i prefer 50% DP with 50% DAP circus on a scene than 100% DAP fail-circus but money/sells rules even if the scene reality is other.

DP always will be better than DAP

magizi87 wrote:oh, you ppl are finally realizing this? lol

First of all Kidloco is too pessimist.
Its not like only 10% of DAP billed scenes are real DAPs as opposed to DAP attempts.
In my book a real DAP is performed when the girl gets fucked by 2 dicks with minimum 1/3 of both dicks in her ass in at least 1 position for a minimum time of 1-2min.
BUT of course the above mentioned isn't a good DAP!

Second: Question is once you realize not all DAP billed scenes are good what to do about: Instead of just skipping it or even mot shooting it anymore my answer is: MAKE DAP BETTER!
Which means rising directors awareness as OP does.
Rising porn studs awareness of how to fuck to make it real.
Make girl train their ass better for DAP prior to their DAP booking.
Considering payment for DAP based on DAP performance rather than the (attempted) sex act itself.

Third: Given the high demand of 0% pussy porn the only way to double fuck the girls is DAP.
This however by no means excudes no holes barred or DP/DAP interchange scenes being produced still on the side. Here as everywhere else sales decide on proportions.
As customer criticism on low-profile DAP grows, porn producers strategy must be to increase the number of really DAP-able girls.
Easiest mentality change with female talent pool is based on re-bookings or lack of.
Girls should therefore be booked to try DAP as early as possible at LP and than either learn to perform real DAP and thus earn best money or switch to other studios, ideally DDF.

I will not guess percents, but sometimes is edited out and sometimes is OBVIOUS:

- 1st cock is in butt (there is penetration) or touching/leaning TO (not IN, Not Penetrating AT ALL) girl's butt;

- 2nd cock touching/leaning TO (not IN, Not Penetrating AT ALL) girl's butt.

So, in many cases DAP is soft compared to DP. Sometimes it's even SOFTCORE!

I've been asking why lots of assholes do not prolapse or let alone gape after DAP

tekaneo wrote:DP always will be better than DAP

THIS!!! 100%!!!

DAP would have been great too if not faked.

For me both cocks' shafts must go visibly pass the sphincter (preferably internal one, but you will see only external one). DAP abbrev should mean Double Asshole Penetration. That's it. Seeing two huge cocks like Neeo with the other guy and there's no correspondingly big gape or even no gape,
it's obvious it's a false advertisement. All these scenes must have unsuccessful DAP attempt tag instead of DAP.

IMHO additionally faking DAP is LP's invention. It's not mandatory for the studios, but particular directors made its business out of it - selling
faked DAPs where the volume of such scenes is the key.
Iam used to call things what they're actually are, not what they are presented as. Fake fcukin world. Fake people, fake everything.
Where's the real value?

IMHO with the DAP ATTEMPT tags, the sales would be the same, because ppl will be curious if there's possibly any trace of DAP.

kid, could you post a few links to pretty actual DAP billed scenes you deem as faked or attempts only?
For the moment I just dont understand how you get so hight numbers like like 80-90% faked.

dap-addict wrote:In my book a real DAP is performed when the girl gets fucked by 2 dicks with minimum 1/3 of both dicks in her ass in at least 1 position for a minimum time of 1-2min.
BUT of course the above mentioned isn't a good DAP!

The way I see it is like this, for a model to be able to perform "good" DAP, like Arwen did,
she must commit some of her own free time, to train her asshole on a regular basis.
In the same way people train their body to be able to run non-stop for 30 minutes.

In order to be able to run without the need to catch your breath every 30 secs and slow down
you need to practice at least 3-4 times per week, 30-45 mins every time. Until one day,
you are finally able to run 30-45 mins without the need to walk and catch your breath.
This can vary wildly from person to person, but it usually takes a long time and dedication.

The thing is that a lot of porn actresses do not train their asshole, to the level required for a DAP movies
because a lot of DAP movies are exactly like you describe: "1/3 (at most) of the cock, from the guy on top,
the guy beneath her, being inside is arguable and the penetrating motion, the fucking, if you can call it that,
is slow, jerky and lame. A lot of the time we just see the guys struggling to get their dicks somewhat inside the model.

There can be many reasons, maybe the model only does DAP when she show up at LP and not anywhere else,
maybe porn is not something they want to dedicate time and energy because it's a stepping stone job,
it really doesn't matter why they don't practice, the fact is that they just don't put the time needed for it.
And we just end up with a bunch of lame DAP movies that are priced at 5 tkt each, lol.

But here is what really bothers me, because even completely new girls to the business can perform
in crazy good looking DP, right off the bat. No training needed. And people still cry for DAP.

And what bothers me even more, is DAP fans complaining about models who can really do DAP scenes,
and say things like "shes got too many scenes already"

AND NO, porn producers will not "MAKE DAP BETTER" just cause you ask, unless DAP fans stop buying tip-fucking DAP movies,
those scenes will not stop being produced. And asking the models to train their ass is just not a reallistic request.
It's basically the same as those small lines at every soda or junk food ad that say "eat vegetables and workout 30 mins per day",
most people just wont do that and porn actresses will start building their skills unless they plan to shoot for LP for a long time (again, like the models who keep getting more and more scenes, that idiots keep bitching about)

magizi87 wrote:The way I see it is like this, for a model to be able to perform "good" DAP, like Arwen did,
she must commit some of her own free time, to train her asshole on a regular basis.
In the same way people train their body to be able to run non-stop for 30 minutes.

In order to be able to run without the need to catch your breath every 30 secs and slow down
you need to practice at least 3-4 times per week, 30-45 mins every time. Until one day,
you are finally able to run 30-45 mins without the need to walk and catch your breath.
This can vary wildly from person to person, but it usually takes a long time and dedication.

The thing is that a lot of porn actresses do not train their asshole, to the level required for a DAP movies
because a lot of DAP movies are exactly like you describe: "1/3 (at most) of the cock, from the guy on top,
the guy beneath her, being inside is arguable and the penetrating motion, the fucking, if you can call it that,
is slow, jerky and lame. A lot of the time we just see the guys struggling to get their dicks somewhat inside the model.

There can be many reasons, maybe the model only does DAP when she show up at LP and not anywhere else,
maybe porn is not something they want to dedicate time and energy because it's a stepping stone job,
it really doesn't matter why they don't practice, the fact is that they just don't put the time needed for it.
And we just end up with a bunch of lame DAP movies that are priced at 5 tkt each, lol.

But here is what really bothers me, because even completely new girls to the business can perform
in crazy good looking DP, right off the bat. No training needed. And people still cry for DAP.

And what bothers me even more, is DAP fans complaining about models who can really do DAP scenes,
and say things like "shes got too many scenes already"

AND NO, porn producers will not "MAKE DAP BETTER" just cause you ask, unless DAP fans stop buying tip-fucking DAP movies,
those scenes will not stop being produced. And asking the models to train their ass is just not a reallistic request.
It's basically the same as those small lines at every soda or junk food ad that say "eat vegetables and workout 30 mins per day",
most people just wont do that and porn actresses will start building their skills unless they plan to shoot for LP for a long time (again, like the models who keep getting more and more scenes, that idiots keep bitching about)

hell yea!

magizi87 wrote:AND NO, porn producers will not "MAKE DAP BETTER" just cause you ask, unless DAP fans stop buying tip-fucking DAP movies,
those scenes will not stop being produced. And asking the models to train their ass is just not a reallistic request.

I agree with the first, its crucial to reach what I already wrote about above:

dap-addict wrote:Easiest mentality change with female talent pool is based on re-bookings or lack of.

DAP-fans at LP have most consumer power due to sales statistics but they have to start voting with their wallet!

Thus I already stopped buying 99% of IV DAPs.
Problem is if you are addicted and you like a certain model you buy her scene even its 80% tip DAPing only. But I do promise I will try to revise my porn shopping habits.

More then "shopping habits", folks should revise the attitude regarding the models.
I see comments like "I pass on this scene because it is not hardcore enough", this means you wont see that model anymore, this is why there are many models that appear on LP for few scenes and than disappear. It seams to me folks do not give the time to the models to get confident with the action, but just "pretend" (yes I use pretend) super hardcore stuff at the first shot: welcome to reality, it doesnt work like this.
So DAP, even if not balls deep, gives a reason to shoot a model multiple time and increase her performance, otherwise its official that DP (at least for me) it doesnt sell properly. Than I agree that if a new Goldie starts to shoot interracial DP with 25cm dicks, sales will be guaranteed, but is also true that a model like Goldie joins hard core porn 1 time every 5 years.
So, there is not a real rule, but a tipfucking DAP could be the base for create a good model (we have several examples), DP is just a way for have low sales and ascertain that a model is not as Goldie.

For fuck say, balls Deep DAP is is the end of the career, not the beginning. The fact is that without a beginning there is no way (for most of models) to get intense action.

I prefer ball deep DP than tipfuck DAP.
But then if sales doesn't follow...

Gonzo got some nice DP scenes lately anyways, and they sell quite well.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:So, there is not a real rule, but a tipfucking DAP could be the base for create a good model (we have several examples), DP is just a way for have low sales and ascertain that a model is not as Goldie.

For fuck say, balls Deep DAP is is the end of the career, not the beginning. The fact is that without a beginning there is no way (for most of models) to get intense action.

Thanks for this input, Giorgio!
Maybe I should have stressed that I dont buy DP only anymore - except its really a model very close to Goldie in my eyes.
I stressed above I want DAP in the 1st shot and than an acceleration. My revised shopping habits will thus touch porn shots with models like Nicole Black or Sciley Jam who dont evolve and/or work on their DAP-ability really. I do adore these girls for what they do for us, but there were standards set at LP Prague in the last few years I except to be met.
It may sound hard for some of these surely very attractive girls, but I can accept that way of porn I want produced and I know to be selling fine isn't for them.

All I ask you for - if we are talking again here - is to secure step-by-step deeper and more active DAPing by your studs.
Also please instruct your anchor stud(s) not to lay there lazy.
And please dont book Joachims limp studs anymore!

The best alternative is to stay genuine. If a girl is not ready to do DAP, do not shoot her in fake DAP and get her in good ol classical DP / DVP
A female newbie should train for DAP off-camera with dildos and stuff but not in a commercial scene as there is nothing more discouraging for a client than a deceptive fake video
Then the safe way to buy authentic DAPs would be to pick up videos tagged with DAP + Balls deep + Rough
Its easy to know if the videos match the meaning of their tags
Authenticity is what makes a robust brand and strengthen customer fidelity

I love watching these beautiful models train their asses for DAP!

Keep the incredible scenes coming Giorgio!

This is shaping up to be the best year yet!

rush83 wrote:

tekaneo wrote:DP always will be better than DAP

THIS!!! 100%!!!

me too!!
i love DPs!!
if its rought and balls deep it makes me !!
i lovo DVPs to!!
see pussys really stretched really turns me on!
i really dont see the fun of 0 pussy scenes, but, as i always says, its just tastes!

DP is better than any form of DAP.

^ I wouldn't say that. DAP used to be a very special sex act reserved only for real anal loving sluts (obviously not anymore) It used to be rare and a sign that a girl is particulary such anal whore she can take two dicks in her ass at the same time and what not. The more intense DAP the more pleasure for me. I like nasty anal whores.

DAP requires experienced model and due to a shortage of such girls, somebody came up with an brilliant idea a few years ago how to make more money more easily - to shoot & sell fake DAP pretending it's a real one. it's simple and very clever, inexperienced or influenced viewer really won't
probably notice, the the second (usually further) dick is not actually inside the asshole. They all think it's real, it must be real because it's written in the title/tag (usual pseudoargument) Ppl live in a fake reality and desillusions prepared by smart ppl with hideous intentions.

I don't think this thread's gonna change anything at all, but at least I had to point it out. I hate when ppl try to influence and steer other ppl and convince them to think that fake is what you actually want to have / buy.

kidloco2 wrote:^ I wouldn't say that. DAP used to be a very special sex act reserved only for real anal loving sluts (obviously not anymore) It used to be rare and a sign that a girl is particulary such anal whore she can take two dicks in her ass at the same time and what not. The more intense DAP the more pleasure for me. I like nasty anal whores.

DAP requires experienced model and due to a shortage of such girls, somebody came up with an brilliant idea a few years ago how to make more money more easily - to shoot & sell fake DAP pretending it's a real one. it's simple and very clever, inexperienced or influenced viewer really won't
probably notice, the the second (usually further) dick is not actually inside the asshole. They all think it's real, it must be real because it's written in the title/tag (usual pseudoargument) Ppl live in a fake reality and desillusions prepared by smart ppl with hideous intentions.

I don't think this thread's gonna change anything at all, but at least I had to point it out. I hate when ppl try to influence and steer other ppl and convince them to think that fake is what you actually want to have / buy.

People have been complaining about the tip fucking DAP for a long time, and I doubt anything will change. I have learned to take title/tag with a grain of salt, and watch the trailers many times over before a purchase. Once you realize that the best of the scene makes it into the trailer, you lose the expectations of the scene being better than the trailer.

This!
And I always also check the screenshots. They are taken in steady intervals for non-sex and b/g sex acts thus its much more difficult to trick them looking something thats not.
Than third I check the pairing especially for DAPs. There are notorious low profile anchor studs not really slipping their dick in the girls ass always. You figure them out pretty soon.

I think all we can do is sharpen awareness with users and directors.
And dont stop asking for real balls deep anal fucking, also in DAP!
Quality control by users does help!