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Do you guys consider there is a difference between a hooker and a porn actress?

I know, you're gonna tell me that everyone can fuck a hooker if you pay her, not a porn actress, etc...

But in the end, they both have sexual intercourse for money.

You can argue :-)

It's not an argument. The answer is no.

idk

cliffwolcott wrote:But in the end, they both have sexual intercourse for money.

As long as there's consent and no exploitation, it's very similar.
The only point is that actresses should focus on how they look on scene, while hookers fucus on pleasing their customers.
There's a difference, but it's both sex work.

I don't think it's helpful to sex workers to contend that there's some sort of hierarchy.
It's all sex work. As long as it's consensual, I don't see that anyone should feel superior to anyone else. It's not the same - porn actresses have to be more aware of angles, callgirls have to be more aware of what's turning their client on or off, and be more of an amateur psychologist.

Fanboys will say "no" but when you consider almost all porn actresses also escort (thats where they make their real money) then yes. Its all the same.

Who gives a flying fuck?

vnhaln52 wrote:Fanboys will say "no" but when you consider almost all porn actresses also escort (thats where they make their real money) then yes. Its all the same.

I don't know what you get that from. Why don't you try, for example, Twitter and see what answer you get when you ask for escort. The percentage in Europe and US is very, very low. No comparison. Maybe that train of thought is why the babes get pestered so often on Twitter. People assume they do but they don't. I know very, very few that do and I know a lot. A complete myth based on an assumption that is miles of the mark. Miles

They are both sex workers and make money having sex. There are significant differences of course so I would not say' "They are the same". It is a much different lifestyle and much different way to make money between the two. Making legal porn has much more legal protections than seeing strangers in a hotel who find you on the internet.

Most porn performers (at least in the US) escort on the side. The name they build up doing scenes allows them to command high rates and they make more money there than doing porn scenes. I don't know what it is like in Europe.

JohnMcSpunkencock wrote:

vnhaln52 wrote:Fanboys will say "no" but when you consider almost all porn actresses also escort (thats where they make their real money) then yes. Its all the same.

I don't know what you get that from. Why don't you try, for example, [spam] and see what answer you get when you ask for escort.

Many performers escort "under the radar".... what that means is they will never discuss it publicly, never advertise,etc..... yet through the right connections they can be seen by people of certain incomes quite frequently. Athletes and wealthy types in America do not go on websites to find porn girls that everyone else is seeing. They contact the right person, ask about someone, and get it set up. In the US the vast majority of women are available for companionship services. There is no purpose for a lot of them to want to answer a [spam] question from a random fan about escorting. When you see Lisa Ann at a football game with a young NFL athlete, do you really think her bank account is not increasing? (she is a strong anti-escorting person and a hypocrite in the process).

^ My opinion is pretty much same here. And when you add financial situation in European porn (can you live with few hundreds of €/month, when pay agency, hostel, tickets... and scene is cheaper) you can assume final answer yourself.

Btw, results are interesting: 60% of voters think that HOOKER IS pretty much SAME AS PORN ACTRESS ("there is NO huge difference between a hooker and a porn actress" option).

Remember, THIS IS PORN FORUM. In more average real-life environment (unaccustomed, much less extreme-liberal) that 60% would go up even more.

Ultimately, it's all sex work. However, there is a difference between an escort/hooker/etc. and a performer. The latter is sex made for media/entertainment and escorting is typically a private (and usually confidential) job. Of course, they may overlap as well. You also need to realize it takes quite the motivation (for the most part) to even get naked/fuck for money.

JohnMcSpunkencock wrote:

vnhaln52 wrote:Fanboys will say "no" but when you consider almost all porn actresses also escort (thats where they make their real money) then yes. Its all the same.

I don't know what you get that from. Why don't you try, for example, Twitter and see what answer you get when you ask for escort. The percentage in Europe and US is very, very low. No comparison. Maybe that train of thought is why the babes get pestered so often on Twitter. People assume they do but they don't. I know very, very few that do and I know a lot. A complete myth based on an assumption that is miles of the mark. Miles

Your statement is a bit disingenuous. I do agree with you that it is naive for consumers/fans to believe that all performers are also escorts and they can be had for a price. That type of thinking is unhealthy and stereotypes adult performers. However, let us not kid ourselves that being a performer can actually be a gateway to escort work. You can also flip it around and say that some escorts use a few scenes to make a bigger market for themselves.

The act of high class escorting (which includes some of the famous performers you may know) for the most part is usually under the radar (UTR) and completely discrete. That means you either need the connections (with your background vetted) or just happen to accidentally stumble upon it while networking in some way. Aside from the legality of it varying from country to country, the reason is primarily for privacy/reputation, safety (stalking, getting non-stop annoyed from fans/random people), and from other people/groups sex shaming them. Let's also not forget the people who don't perform for the media, but moonlight as an escort.

The performers to escort ratio isn't 1:1, but it is more common than you think. I might sound like an asshole for this, but Twitter is the worst place for this information (especially if you are bragging about talking to many of them on Twitter or any other platform). Chances are slim that most folks will be able to interact with any of those performers intimately for indepth details like that over the internet. In most cases, Twitter is just a platform for them to advertise their public work and give their fans a place to interact with them. It also includes baiting them for gifts/wishlists. The world drastically changes when you go from the internet to the real world. Of course, this is not to say that the performers who say they don't escort are lying either. Their word should be believed, unless you see conflicting data to prove otherwise. Porn is already a grey area as it is, so you can imagine how escorting is.

There are also websites and dedicated private forums dedicated to reviewing and sharing details of individual/personal experiences.

Edit - Dang, mistress_cindy2008 beat me to the post already - Pretty much what she said.

SuperImp wrote:Ultimately, it's all sex work. However, there is a difference between an escort/hooker/etc. and a performer. The latter is sex made for media/entertainment and escorting is typically a private (and usually confidential) job. Of course, they may overlap as well. You also need to realize it takes quite the motivation (for the most part) to even get naked/fuck for money.

JohnMcSpunkencock wrote:

vnhaln52 wrote:Fanboys will say "no" but when you consider almost all porn actresses also escort (thats where they make their real money) then yes. Its all the same.

I don't know what you get that from. Why don't you try, for example, Twitter and see what answer you get when you ask for escort. The percentage in Europe and US is very, very low. No comparison. Maybe that train of thought is why the babes get pestered so often on Twitter. People assume they do but they don't. I know very, very few that do and I know a lot. A complete myth based on an assumption that is miles of the mark. Miles

Your statement is a bit disingenuous. I do agree with you that it is naive for consumers/fans to believe that all performers are also escorts and they can be had for a price. That type of thinking is unhealthy and stereotypes adult performers. However, let us not kid ourselves that being a performer can actually be a gateway to escort work. You can also flip it around and say that some escorts use a few scenes to make a bigger market for themselves.

The act of high class escorting (which includes some of the famous performers you may know) for the most part is usually under the radar (UTR) and completely discrete. That means you either need the connections (with your background vetted) or just happen to accidentally stumble upon it while networking in some way. Aside from the legality of it varying from country to country, the reason is primarily for privacy/reputation, safety (stalking, getting non-stop annoyed from fans/random people), and from other people/groups sex shaming them. Let's also not forget the people who don't perform for the media, but moonlight as an escort.

The performers to escort ratio isn't 1:1, but it is more common than you think. I might sound like an asshole for this, but Twitter is the worst place for this information (especially if you are bragging about talking to many of them on Twitter or any other platform). Chances are slim that most folks will be able to interact with any of those performers intimately for indepth details like that over the internet. In most cases, Twitter is just a platform for them to advertise their public work and give their fans a place to interact with them. It also includes baiting them for gifts/wishlists. The world drastically changes when you go from the internet to the real world. Of course, this is not to say that the performers who say they don't escort are lying either. Their word should be believed, unless you see conflicting data to prove otherwise. Porn is already a grey area as it is, so you can imagine how escorting is.

There are also websites and dedicated private forums dedicated to reviewing and sharing details of individual/personal experiences.

Edit - Dang, mistress_cindy2008 beat me to the post already - Pretty much what she said.

All performers can be had for a price, it is just a matter of how much. ((Hell, given enough money, I would fuck the girls of Lp :P (joke)) Having said that, that does not make them escorts.

If you are rich and famous you can fuck almost any porn star you want. You just gotta pay for it. Even many Playboy Playmates and Penthouse Pets escorted. There are also lots of stories out there that Hayden Panettiere, Denise Richards, and Linsey Lohan have escorted. Only the people involved know for sure but if you google their name and escort you will read some interesting stuff.

vnhaln52 wrote:If you are rich and famous you can fuck almost any porn star you want. You just gotta pay for it. Even many Playboy Playmates and Penthouse Pets escorted. There are also lots of stories out there that Hayden Panettiere, Denise Richards, and Linsey Lohan have escorted. Only the people involved know for sure but if you google their name and escort you will read some interesting stuff.

Actually, Playmates and the like are far more likely because they demand a huge price and are far closer to the escort side than pornstars. As for pornstars doing it under the radar, very, very few. It's the assumption that they do without any evidence that annoys the vast amonunt of babes.

You can go on many porn star escort sites and see the girls pictures, info, rates, what they will and wont do, and how to get in contact with them. Perhaps not the euro girls but most American porn girls do escort.

vnhaln52 wrote:You can go on many porn star escort sites and see the girls pictures, info, rates, what they will and wont do, and how to get in contact with them. Perhaps not the euro girls but most American porn girls do escort.

Only a potion of US girls put themselves on websites. As explained, many of them like to just do it through connections to wealthy people who are properly vetted. For one, escorting is illegal in most of the US so they are smart enough to want to stay off the internet talking about it. Plus, being a "secret" like that generally means they are going to command a higher price as they are hard to get. And lastly, they will always have that deniability if someone attacks them about it as porn still somehow likes to find external reasons for any STI issues and they love to throw the attack on escorting.

vnhaln52 wrote:If you are rich and famous you can fuck almost any porn star you want. You just gotta pay for it. Even many Playboy Playmates and Penthouse Pets escorted. There are also lots of stories out there that Hayden Panettiere, Denise Richards, and Linsey Lohan have escorted. Only the people involved know for sure but if you google their name and escort you will read some interesting stuff.

Lohan had some trips to Dubai that have been documented, and they pay very well over there. Lohan's career is in the dumpster and she has essentially no income yet still lives a millionairre lifestyle... do the math. When you see "Star Athlete" at a party with a famous young actress, playboy model, porn performer, etc.... those women may like him and are there with genuine, however, their bank accounts are are also growing or there are some damn fine gifts showing up.

I also speak from knowledge. For years, I have done consulting business with a group of European fellows. They come to Vegas a couple of times a year and have private parties or rent out VIP sections at strip clubs. They usually get some big name porn girls who claim to never escort, to come to the parties. (there is a thrill to do something that most people can not). Sometimes they just look hot and play around, sometimes they end up in the hotel rooms. I have been to a few of them and so I know what I say.

So, I know full well that it is naive to think because a girl refuses to talk about escorting on [spam], she must not do it. Almost anyone can be had for a price. I would fuck Donald Trump for a million dollars, why not?

I totally agree with everything Mistress Cindy said.

They are both angels in my book, so, no difference to me.

Ever wonder why ancient tribes sacrificed virgins to their gods? The high elders wanted to keep the party girls for themselves.

mistress_cindy2008 wrote:Almost anyone can be had for a price. I would fuck Donald Trump for a million dollars, why not?

Freedom? Dignity? Selfrespect? Melania with shotgun?

During coffee guy asks directly his neighbour, girl next door, would she gonna have sex with him.
- No!
- And if I offer you some money?
- Hell, no! - girl, even more angrily.
- And if I offer you a million?
- Well, for a million... Hell, let's do it.
- OK, I'll give you 30$.
- 30$?!? What do you think who I am?
- We just find out what you are; now we negotiate sum.

So, would you fancy a cup of coffee?

Porn Actresses will do many outrageous things for the camera like gangbangs and blowbangs, and most of the time these are not tried even in personal life. Pornstars want to make fantasy seems realistic.

Hookers on the other hand will only work within their comfort zone for customers and most are very conservative and will not take any risks. Also most hookers unlike porn stars don't want to show their face in public.

I saw an interview with Ashley Blue, where she related a story of her boyfriend, where the 2 of them picked up a hooker in Vegas. Basically the hooker would not do many of the things like a blowjob and other things that we take Ashley and other pornstars would do for granted in porn.

So a pornstar is much more outrageous than a hooker.

JohnMcSpunkencock wrote:

vnhaln52 wrote:If you are rich and famous you can fuck almost any porn star you want. You just gotta pay for it. Even many Playboy Playmates and Penthouse Pets escorted. There are also lots of stories out there that Hayden Panettiere, Denise Richards, and Linsey Lohan have escorted. Only the people involved know for sure but if you google their name and escort you will read some interesting stuff.

Actually, Playmates and the like are far more likely because they demand a huge price and are far closer to the escort side than pornstars. As for pornstars doing it under the radar, very, very few. It's the assumption that they do without any evidence that annoys the vast amonunt of babes.

Well, fair enough, if that's what you insist, except that many of the leading LP models, I'm thinking of three in particular but I won't mention names, have done escort work and, some, are still doing escort work, and don't hide the fact that they do.

Squeamishness about escorting from consumers or producers of porn is bullshit and 100% hypocritical, it's the sort of stuff Woodman indulges in, need I say more?

Not sure what Woodman has to do with this but... most porn makers don't like escorting because the girls are fucking clients that have no VD tests. Sure the johns are supposed to wear condoms but if a well to do guy pays enough the girl will probably let him bareback her and skip the condom. This can lead to diseases getting into the porn pool. Talent with diseases will shut down production costing them money.

Iddaoeeok wrote:Squeamishness about escorting from consumers or producers of porn is bullshit and 100% hypocritical, it's the sort of stuff Woodman indulges in, need I say more?

Think Dubai and you know the answer!
And of course UTR.

But OP was different intention I gather: His way of thinking was its both sex work, so where's the difference? Is there any difference? - And here I would say its a HUGE difference! Porn is just entertainment industry, hooking is a lot of amateur psychology.

Also John McS is right that the hooking question annoys a lot of porn girls, but than again think Dubai and check some of the agencies specialized in this kind of trips and porn girls private social net accounts for pics of their foreign trips. At the same time some porn girls definitely DONT do it. And its more than some of you think.

dap-addict wrote: Also John McS is right that the hooking question annoys a lot of porn girls

That question annoy a lot of hookers, safe to say.

LOL!

Its alwaays intersting to see how many porn girls go on holidays to Dubai and recently also China.
This said of course some of them dont!

vnhaln52 wrote:Not sure what Woodman has to do with this but... most porn makers don't like escorting because the girls are fucking clients that have no VD tests. Sure the johns are supposed to wear condoms but if a well to do guy pays enough the girl will probably let him bareback her and skip the condom. This can lead to diseases getting into the porn pool. Talent with diseases will shut down production costing them money.

THis may be a valid concept until you realize how porn performers are in their personal lives..... especially the men.... The bareback women they pick up at clubs and bars... the girls bareback boyfriends and so on.

There is no evidence that escorting has brought anything into the talent pool. Most performers have herpes and catch curable STI' s as a part of the career. HIV or HEP-C or Syphillis has never been linked to a girl escorting. It is a boogeyman and more of a hypocricy.

THink of it this way...... when girls are making good money escorting, they are less likely to be pushed around by the male dominated porn industry (they play on financial desperation). so, ask yourself why male producers like Woodman are fear mongering about escorting? So they have more control over the girls.

vnhaln52 wrote:Not sure what Woodman has to do with this but...

Well, yes, I hate to give him any more attention than he deserves, but I only mentioned him because he's a perfect example of the sort of hypocrite who denigrates and sneers at women for getting involved in escorting - as if being filmed on a camcorder in a hotel room having sex with him and his associates is in any way superior or less 'morally' reprehensible.

Iddaoeeok wrote:

vnhaln52 wrote:Not sure what Woodman has to do with this but...

Well, yes, I hate to give him any more attention than he deserves, but I only mentioned him because he's a perfect example of the sort of hypocrite who denigrates and sneers at women for getting involved in escorting - as if being filmed on a camcorder in a hotel room having sex with him and his associates is in any way superior or less 'morally' reprehensible.

Women who are making a good living escorting are less likely to be desperate enough to shoot with him for his rock bottom rates. It's pretty clear why he is so against escorting, it gives him less control. Parasites like him need all the leverage they can get.

dap-addict wrote:LOL!

Its alwaays intersting to see how many porn girls go on holidays to Dubai and recently also China.
This said of course some of them dont!

https://britmannia.com/2016/07/03/dubai-porta-potties/

Where's the vomit smiley?

DoubleOrNothing wrote:

dap-addict wrote:LOL!

Its alwaays intersting to see how many porn girls go on holidays to Dubai and recently also China.
This said of course some of them dont!

https://britmannia.com/2016/07/03/dubai-porta-potties/

Where's the vomit smiley?

yeah, that's more common than people think. If you see girls who are 22 on [spam] showing photos of 50,000 cars and trips to dubai..... they are doing it. That is the very reason the rates they get in Dubai are so ridiculous... so they literally will be expected to do anything they are requested. Porta Potty is a "thing" the guys do as it has grown in mystique... but , they really do many other things too.....

THey have to sign legal NDA's so they don't say anything after... they also don't get paid the full amount up front... just a portion... so when the weird stuff happens, there is enough money waiting for the girl so she is likely to say "what the hell".

Difference is huge porn stars fuck with porn actors...

Details.

Is there difference when lawyer defends other lawyer or when lawyer defends doctor?

There is some difference, but defence is defence and hooking is hooking.

DoubleOrNothing wrote:https://britmannia.com/2016/07/03/dubai-porta-potties/

Can't agree with personal deprecatory tone of text.

Except that, rest of the facts are pretty well confirmed in reality.

Neither do I.
Typical righteous media.
Dont know how many really have to go so far, I only see how many porn girls post their Dubai tourism pics on social networks - a lot of them under their real names.

As for OP we still sure have to distinquish: Porn work is sex work, but not hooker work, just an entertainment industry job. BUT than lots of porn girls escort still.