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I see a lot of requests for BBC scenes. What is it about these scenes that drives the heavy demand?

I seek out scenes starring my favorite female performers. I don't see myself buying a scene just because it is a BBC themed scene unless I like the female. I'm also not longing for BBC scenes with my favorites: if it happens fine but no disappointment if it doesn't.

I guess I'm interested in seeing what the appeal in BBC scenes is in the hopes of acquiring a taste for them myself. I'm always looking for new ways to eek out more porn enjoyment.

I assume it's about breaking taboos, it's particularly popular among American porn users, not surprising given the country's racial history. That old (racist) fantasy about big black bucks defiling lilywhite women goes back to the plantation days.

Some folks here are more fucused on BBC, etc. than on models involving in scene . BTW explanation of Iddaoeeok is resonable .

Chazzum wrote:I see a lot of requests for BBC scenes. What is it about these scenes that drives the heavy demand?

I seek out scenes starring my favorite female performers. I don't see myself buying a scene just because it is a BBC themed scene unless I like the female. I'm also not longing for BBC scenes with my favorites: if it happens fine but no disappointment if it doesn't.

I guess I'm interested in seeing what the appeal in BBC scenes is in the hopes of acquiring a taste for them myself. I'm always looking for new ways to eek out more porn enjoyment.

Apart from the psychological "she's such a slut getting gangbanged by black guys" thing and the size of the cocks, the c ontrast of black on white skin looks amazing on camera. The paler the girl the better.

I like it because it makes the scenes more reality-based. Also, the more I can see about the model or director's personality, the more memorable and interesting the scenes are to me. I suppose it's like special-features on a Blu-ray, which help my appreciation of the overall feature.

Contrast all the way.

Iddaoeeok wrote:I assume it's about breaking taboos...

Yes, that's clearly an element of some fantasies, some of which are fantasies about fantasies: Naughty girls turn me on, so I like to imagine -- and see indications that -- they're conscious of their deliberate naughtiness. So that puts me in the position of fantasizing that the female performers fantasize about BBCs, about anal sex, and about lots of other things I enjoy watching.

I suppose BBC is a more specific tag than just "interracial," but there are certainly people who find the mixed-race aspect of the encounters to be the appealing part. It's fair to say that porn tends to be interested in big cocks of all shapes & colors; I don't recall seeing any porn videos tagged as "small black cock."

Iddaoeeok wrote: it's particularly popular among American porn users ....

Is this a guess or are you relying on data? (Not trying to pick a fight, but this is contrary to my own intuition; if you're just guessing I don't want to argue, but if you can prove it I'm curious.)

drevokocur66 wrote:Contrast all the way.

That's a visual description that's sorta-kinda independent of race as such: Contrasting complexions can be attractive, whether they're genetic or the result of bikini time. I agree this can be a big factor of my reaction to individual scenes & performers, just like costuming, sets, location, etc.

Oldshark wrote:

Iddaoeeok wrote:I assume it's about breaking taboos...

Yes, that's clearly an element of some fantasies, some of which are fantasies about fantasies: Naughty girls turn me on, so I like to imagine -- and see indications that -- they're conscious of their deliberate naughtiness. So that puts me in the position of fantasizing that the female performers fantasize about BBCs, about anal sex, and about lots of other things I enjoy watching.

I suppose BBC is a more specific tag than just "interracial," but there are certainly people who find the mixed-race aspect of the encounters to be the appealing part. It's fair to say that porn tends to be interested in big cocks of all shapes & colors; I don't recall seeing any porn videos tagged as "small black cock."

Iddaoeeok wrote: it's particularly popular among American porn users ....

Is this a guess or are you relying on data? (Not trying to pick a fight, but this is contrary to my own intuition; if you're just guessing I don't want to argue, but if you can prove it I'm curious.)

drevokocur66 wrote:Contrast all the way.

That's a visual description that's sorta-kinda independent of race as such: Contrasting complexions can be attractive, whether they're genetic or the result of bikini time. I agree this can be a big factor of my reaction to individual scenes & performers, just like costuming, sets, location, etc.

Interesting. I don't have data and I'd be surprised and impressed if other fans do.
But I always thought the whole "interracial" porn genre originated in USA and stereotypically features African/American males as studs with white women in submissive roles, and extends into porn sub-genres like cuckolding white males. I think Europe is just following the US trend, but I don't know if "interracial" is as popular in Europe.

I don't have data either, just something I've noticed over the years. I agree that the contrast between dark skin and very pale white skin (redheads, blondes - real ones, that is) looks pretty cool.

Thanks for the insights everyone.

While I can take or leave BBC scenes, if given a choice I'd rather see my favorite female stars get pounded by white guys. For me it boils down to this: when I watch porn I think of myself as the guy in the scene with the girl. Being white myself it's easier for me to imagine I'm the guy in the scene -white cock, like my white cock, fucking model. This goes for any ethnicity girl in the scene. I love white guys with black/Asian/Latina/Indian, etc. females.

avanfurwet wrote:Interesting. I don't have data and I'd be surprised and impressed if other fans do.
But I always thought the whole "interracial" porn genre originated in USA and stereotypically features African/American males as studs with white women in submissive roles, and extends into porn sub-genres like cuckolding white males. I think Europe is just following the US trend, but I don't know if "interracial" is as popular in Europe.

Iddaoeeok wrote:I don't have data either, just something I've noticed over the years. I agree that the contrast between dark skin and very pale white skin (redheads, blondes - real ones, that is) looks pretty cool.

Chazzum wrote:Thanks for the insights everyone.

While I can take or leave BBC scenes, if given a choice I'd rather see my favorite female stars get pounded by white guys. For me it boils down to this: when I watch porn I think of myself as the guy in the scene with the girl. Being white myself it's easier for me to imagine I'm the guy in the scene -white cock, like my white cock, fucking model. This goes for any ethnicity girl in the scene. I love white guys with black/Asian/Latina/Indian, etc. females.

What a remarkably civil discussion!

Focusing on the taboo aspect, which I'll call the "Mandingo Factor" to distinguish it from (for example) the contrast or even the interracial aspect: The reason I asked about data is because my own intuition leads me to suspect that there are Mandingo fantasy fans, male & female, hetero- & other, in lots more places than just the U.S. My hunch is that the taboo originated with not specifically American, but rather slave-owning cultures, in which "We have to keep the slaves down/in chains/under the whip or they'll rape all our women!" has been used as a justification to fan up fear which in turn can smooth the path for brutal oppression. By painting the "Mandingo" figure as being barely in control of his sexual impulses and capable of animalistic acts, the slave-owners accidentally made a lot of bored slave-owning women ... thoughtful. There are indeed tons and tons of examples in American art, literature, and yes, porn, that reflects and probably prolongs & fans the interest of those stereotypes that do indeed date back to slavery in the American colonies. (FWIW, I'm a white American male born & reared in the Old South.)

But I don't think there was any significant difference between the "Mandingo" stereotype as preached in the North American colonies of Great Britain and other contemporaneous British or other European colonials (French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Italian, German) when they had slave-owning colonies. I recall seeing BBC advertisements in the red light districts of Amsterdam, for example. And these are really, really old stereotypes. Indeed, consider Shakespeare's "Othello," which is practically made for BBC parody porn now, but was also very much about interracial sex in earlier lusty eras.

So I'm guessing that you might be right in your guess, but by less than you might be guessing. Heh.

Chazzum, do you also like tan lines? I'm a big fan of tan lines, especially bikini tan lines: the contrasting skin tones work like lingerie for me, emphasizing the naughtiness of the naughty bits. Oh, I can appreciate a good complexion when it's in monotone, too -- the pure white, the smooth bronze, the dark chocolate, whatever. But on any given woman, tan lines (even faint ones) make her look twice as naked when she's naked. As for identifying myself with performers: Like the vast majority of porn watchers, I have to use my imagination to identify even with the male performers who are my own race.

I don't get it either, though it certainly doesn't bother me. Personally, as long as they're getting fucked by humans, I'm content. When LP starts getting in horses, goats and bears to fuck the girls, that's when I'll stop being a customer.

Oldshark wrote:What a remarkably civil discussion!

Focusing on the taboo aspect, which I'll call the "Mandingo Factor" to distinguish it from (for example) the contrast or even the interracial aspect: The reason I asked about data is because my own intuition leads me to suspect that there are Mandingo fantasy fans, male & female, hetero- & other, in lots more places than just the U.S. My hunch is that the taboo originated with not specifically American, but rather slave-owning cultures, in which "We have to keep the slaves down/in chains/under the whip or they'll rape all our women!" has been used as a justification to fan up fear which in turn can smooth the path for brutal oppression. By painting the "Mandingo" figure as being barely in control of his sexual impulses and capable of animalistic acts, the slave-owners accidentally made a lot of bored slave-owning women ... thoughtful. There are indeed tons and tons of examples in American art, literature, and yes, porn, that reflects and probably prolongs & fans the interest of those stereotypes that do indeed date back to slavery in the American colonies. (FWIW, I'm a white American male born & reared in the Old South.)

But I don't think there was any significant difference between the "Mandingo" stereotype as preached in the North American colonies of Great Britain and other contemporaneous British or other European colonials (French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, Italian, German) when they had slave-owning colonies. I recall seeing BBC advertisements in the red light districts of Amsterdam, for example. And these are really, really old stereotypes. Indeed, consider Shakespeare's "Othello," which is practically made for BBC parody porn now, but was also very much about interracial sex in earlier lusty eras.

So I'm guessing that you might be right in your guess, but by less than you might be guessing. Heh ...

Yeah, occasionally we manage grunt something beyond the usual neanderthal abuse

I agree we Brits must own our unsavoury history as a slave-owning nation. The reason I think the porn stereotype came out of the Americas is because that is where the plantations were. There were almost no black people in Europe until the 20th century, and still are very few today as a % of the population.

So IMO racism in Europe takes a different slant, based as much on scarcity and xenophobia as on ignorance and entrenched privilege.

For example, at soccer matches in some "eastern" European countries with little/no inward migration, black athletes will endure having bananas thrown at them and monkey noises from the spectators. Wheras in the USA, which is still a deeply racist society, black athletes seem to be accepted and lauded. And in the more "western" European countries (and ex-colonial powers) the same seems to be true. So culturally where America leads, Europe follows, eventually.

For example, at soccer matches in some "eastern" European countries with little/no inward migration, black athletes will endure having bananas thrown at them and monkey noises from the spectators. Wheras in the USA, which is still a deeply racist society, black athletes seem to be accepted and lauded. And in the more "western" European countries (and ex-colonial powers) the same seems to be true. So culturally where America leads, Europe follows, eventually.

I disagree with statement like eastern Europe leads with such kind of behaviours. Did you have read how Mario Balotelli was treated in Italy? He was pelted bananas even with own fans. And I remind that Italy is treated as western Europe - this "better" Europe. So please just stop with this stereotypes. I'm from this xenofobic and racist part of Europe you mentioned and never had any issues with skin colour because I don't give a shit if man is blak, white or even green - just like most population here. I remind you slavery in USA. We never had it here. In 2016 in Poland took a place "World Youth Day" - a lot of people from around the world, all ethnic types black, asian, white, etc. Did you saw all those racist you mentined with bananas and monkey noises? Where were they?

Kriss1986 wrote:I disagree with statement like eastern Europe leads with such kind of behaviours. Did you have read how Mario Balotelli was treated in Italy? He was pelted bananas even with own fans. And I remind that Italy is treated as western Europe - this "better" Europe. So please just stop with this stereotypes. I'm from this xenofobic and racist part of Europe you mentioned and never had any issues with skin colour because I don't give a shit if man is blak, white or even green - just like most population here. I remind you slavery in USA. We never had it here. In 2016 in Poland took a place "World Youth Day" - a lot of people from around the world, all ethnic types black, asian, white, etc. Did you saw all those racist you mentined with bananas and monkey noises? Where were they?

OK, so both good and bad behaviour happens in all European countries. We can pick examples from any country. Whether you or I personally are racist isn't an indicator for a whole country. IMO all European countries contain some racist people.

Some racist abuse continues today in western European football. But watching football from eastern Europe today, the general level of racism appears to me similar to western Europe 30 years ago. And 30 years ago there were almost no black people in eastern Europe at all. So different countries are changing and adapting in different ways.

My point remains that racism is different in countries which have no history of colonies and subsequent inward migration. Not better. Just different. And that influences the market for fantasy porn.

avanfurwet wrote:

Kriss1986 wrote:I disagree with statement like eastern Europe leads with such kind of behaviours. Did you have read how Mario Balotelli was treated in Italy? He was pelted bananas even with own fans. And I remind that Italy is treated as western Europe - this "better" Europe. So please just stop with this stereotypes. I'm from this xenofobic and racist part of Europe you mentioned and never had any issues with skin colour because I don't give a shit if man is blak, white or even green - just like most population here. I remind you slavery in USA. We never had it here. In 2016 in Poland took a place "World Youth Day" - a lot of people from around the world, all ethnic types black, asian, white, etc. Did you saw all those racist you mentined with bananas and monkey noises? Where were they?

OK, so both good and bad behaviour happens in all European countries. We can pick examples from any country. Whether you or I personally are racist isn't an indicator for a whole country. IMO all European countries contain some racist people.

Some racist abuse continues today in western European football. But watching football from eastern Europe today, the general level of racism appears to me similar to western Europe 30 years ago. And 30 years ago there were almost no black people in eastern Europe at all. So different countries are changing and adapting in different ways.

My point remains that racism is different in countries which have no history of colonies and subsequent inward migration. Not better. Just different. And that influences the market for fantasy porn.

Personal I can't remember when last time in our national league of football the player with black skin was pelted bananas or something similar. We have of course issues with fanatic fans but generally they fight against each other and it has nothing to do with players, their skin colour or racism. They fight because don't like other teams . So I doubt if level of racism on eastern and western Europe is at different level, but I will not argue with you - each of us can have own view . BTW In recent years amount of afrikan, brazilian etc players increased significantly. Sometimes on the on the pitch native players are in minority. Today the word "racism" is very often misused, people are forced by political correctness to agree with everything. If someone has own opinion - he is automatically a racist. It's start to be a little bit off topic because we lost the main theme .

Oldshark wrote:What a remarkably civil discussion!

Chazzum, do you also like tan lines? I'm a big fan of tan lines, especially bikini tan lines: the contrasting skin tones work like lingerie for me, emphasizing the naughtiness of the naughty bits. Oh, I can appreciate a good complexion when it's in monotone, too -- the pure white, the smooth bronze, the dark chocolate, whatever. But on any given woman, tan lines (even faint ones) make her look twice as naked when she's naked. As for identifying myself with performers: Like the vast majority of porn watchers, I have to use my imagination to identify even with the male performers who are my own race.

Oldshark, I am often amazed and delighted at the well written and thought out posts from so many of the LP forum posters. I haven't figured out the connection to love of porn and good writing skills but believe there is one.

Regarding tan lines - I'm not a big fan of them. I completely understand your reason to like them "make her look twice as naked when she's naked." I'd never thought of tan lines in that manner before. It won't change how I feel about them but get the appeal to others. I do like some contrasts though: long, jet black hair on a light-skinned/Asian model; bright colored nails and lipstick; white guys fucking a dark-skinned model. Speaking of nails and nail color - red is a traditional favorite but I think it adds an extra zing if a girl goes with unusual nail colors such as yellow, sky blue, light green, hot pink, etc. My logic here is if the girl is daring enough to wear such 'hot' nail colors then she's gonna be daring sexually too and have some tricks in her pleasure repertoire that a plain color nailed girl does not.

I just like the first B in BBC, I don't care about the second one

pastaga wrote:I just like the first B in BBC, I don't care about the second one

I kind of like the contrasting skin colours thing. But for me that works equally well with white guy + black girl.

avanfurwet wrote:

pastaga wrote:I just like the first B in BBC, I don't care about the second one

I kind of like the contrasting skin colours thing. But for me that works equally well with white guy + black girl.

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Nothing so elaborate to add, but BBC grew in sales when more US users started to visit LP.
Its an US thing for sure, also think porn history, Lex Steele, Roccos EA (=US) deal cast changes etc. You figure it!
But of course its not US only, its also about big, grid, size and contrast of course.

I dont mind it but I dont really share the BBC fetish. BBC is sadly too often = limp dicks, wood problems, cum-dribbles.

I realize this is neither here nor there, but just to clear up some of the historical falsities that have arisen in this discussion:
1. Slavery did occur in Europe, even Eastern Europe. Examples - slavery existed in Poland for approximately 400 years (actually more time than it lasted in the British colonies/USA) during the reign of the Piast dynasty, ending with the death of Casimir the Great, who upon his death freed all of the slaves. It also existed in Russia, though they were technically classified as kholops.

2. There is a long history behind black people being viewed as animal-like in their sexual activity, but it stems more from curiosity and ignorance than from what we today would call racism. This history goes back as far as the mid-16th century or so. It is not exclusive to black men, either, and should be noted that all interactions being had with beings from Africa at this point were occurring with people who considered themselves European, whether they lived in the new world or not. It should also be noted that this type of curiosity is not exclusive to Europeans. The Han Chinese have actually have the exact same curiosity/belief/myth about people from South-East Asia for hundreds of years, and let's not forget how black people sometimes refer to their paler brethren as "the white prize". But getting back to the main point, actually it was very common for women of high society in Europe to keep young African boys and/or girls around, to do precisely what people have said they like here - the contrast of the black skin against their pale white skin. If you look at the way her arm is on the child in the picture, it's almost like she's petting the poor person to highlight this contrast. So this is not a new phenomenon, it's just progressed into the form of pornography we have today.

I realize this is neither here nor there, but just to clear up some of the historical falsities that have arisen in this discussion:
1. Slavery did occur in Europe, even Eastern Europe. Examples - slavery existed in Poland for approximately 400 years (actually more time than it lasted in the British colonies/USA) during the reign of the Piast dynasty, ending with the death of Casimir the Great, who upon his death freed all of the slaves. It also existed in Russia, though they were technically classified as kholops.

First of all don't know the source of this info - it seems same way as "Polish death camps" during II World War. Of course nazi German did it but nobdy cares about it. It's always better to believe in a lie. Anyway about this news about slavey during the reign of the Piast dynasty it was more complicated than you introduced. The slavers came primarily from the ranks of prisoners of war who were not freed after ransom was paid. Second - some people could become enslaved due to their inability to pay off their debts, and occasionally enslavement was used instead of a death sentence. Third - in the Middle Ages reigned the feudal system which wasn't equal with slavery but I will not go into details.

Compare Middle Ages with slavery from XVIII - XIX century in the US, GB, Portugal, France, Nederland is completely balooney. It only shows how backward was "west".

BTW and how about slavery in ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, Vikings, Scottish miners were slaves until begin of XIX century despite the fact they were white and Christians. How about german nazi and concentration camps - wasn't it slavery. How about Polish and Jews people forced to working at the construction of secret bunkers, weapons factory etc. How abut forced laborers deported to germany by a force. Yes it all was slavery. Slavery in XX century - in "civilized" western Europe. So don't even try to compare the scale of slavery in Brit, US, Germany, France, etc with Eastern Europe.

Thank you leroi for the history lesson
Although I think we were mainly discussing the colonies and plantations in the Americas as places with large black slave populations controlled by a few white landowners from which the myths which eventually became porn stereotypes could have originated and developed. And AFAIK Poland at various times controlled parts of Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, etc but was never a long-range naval colonial power with overseas plantations. The rest of discussions about forced labour and vassal populations at various times in history within Europe are IMO interesting but off-topic.

avanfurwet wrote:Thank you leroi for the history lesson
Although I think we were mainly discussing the colonies and plantations in the Americas as places with large black slave populations controlled by a few white landowners from which the myths which eventually became porn stereotypes could have originated and developed. And AFAIK Poland at various times controlled parts of Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, etc but was never a long-range naval colonial power with overseas plantations. The rest of discussions about forced labour and vassal populations at various times in history within Europe are IMO interesting but off-topic.

Yes the main topic was about "the colonies and plantations in the Americas as places with large black slave populations controlled by a few white landowners" as you said. So I really don't know what the case of Poland or eastern Europe has to do. I doubt if in the Middle Ages during the reign of the Piast dynasty Poland enslaved multitudes of afroamerican slaves .

I think the topic is the appeal of BBC in porn.

I just speculated that the origins of the fantasy might be from the slave plantations in the Americas.

And in the middle ages throughout the European/Eurasian continent I think kings, khans and warlords simply enslaved whoever they could get their hands on, which at the time was mostly people from nearby regions, often of similar racial mix.

In regards to where my info comes from, I have a graduate degree in history, and my wife has a PhD in art history, so I feel pretty confident in my assessment.

And sorry if I didn't state what I was wanting to say very clearly. My point was that the notion of having a black person next to a white person being visually appealing is not new. As to the suggestion of black men and women being viewed as possible sexually prominent, and perhaps too prominent also stems from Europe. This is why when the slaves who were "adored" (if you can call it that) by these upper-class women were sold to American plantations when they became too old to be lovable. Yes, it was certainly true in American plantations, as well, without a doubt, and the idea has certainly grown in certain societies in the US through the years. It might have died in Europe, I really couldn't say for sure though, and it would be difficult to prove, for obvious reasons.

Getting back to interracial porn though, I'd speculate the reason for it's appeal are largely due to what was 1. the original desire of white people now having flipped. Instead of a amazon-like rich woman dominating a black kid, the desire has flipped to wanting to see a black man overtake a young white girl. Also another influence is the black porn viewer which has spread to other societies. Alot of what porn is for some is simply fantasy, or perhaps transposing ones-self into the scene, which of course for a black viewer would be easier with a black actor. (shrugs) Just my opinion, though. Sorry for the historical rants, not trying to annoy anyone, just thought some might find it interesting.

leroisoleil83 wrote:In regards to where my info comes from, I have a graduate degree in history, and my wife has a PhD in art history, so I feel pretty confident in my assessment.

Ok then I don't have any reason to not believe you . And I also assume you have a knowledge whose idea were death camps during II World War. Anyway we can live this part of conversation if you agree.

Sorry for the historical rants, not trying to annoy anyone, just thought some might find it interesting.

No problem your statements are quite interesting. Especially history referring to picture you posted.

And in the middle ages throughout the European/Eurasian continent I think kings, khans and warlords simply enslaved whoever they could get their hands on, which at the time was mostly people from nearby regions, often of similar racial mix.

I suppose slaves were spoils of war and next were used to work hard etc.

Oldshark wrote:Focusing on the taboo aspect, which I'll call the "Mandingo Factor" to distinguish it from (for example) the contrast or even the interracial aspect: The reason I asked about data is because my own intuition leads me to suspect that there are Mandingo fantasy fans, male & female, hetero- & other, in lots more places than just the U.S. My hunch is that the taboo originated with not specifically American, but rather slave-owning cultures, in which "We have to keep the slaves down/in chains/under the whip or they'll rape all our women!" has been used as a justification to fan up fear which in turn can smooth the path for brutal oppression. By painting the "Mandingo" figure as being barely in control of his sexual impulses and capable of animalistic acts, the slave-owners accidentally made a lot of bored slave-owning women ... thoughtful. There are indeed tons and tons of examples in American art, literature, and yes, porn, that reflects and probably prolongs & fans the interest of those stereotypes that do indeed date back to slavery in the American colonies. (FWIW, I'm a white American male born & reared in the Old South.)

BBC isn't a thing for me. So, I can't know for sure.

But, I don't see why there necessarily has to be a historical connection at all. I find it hard to believe that guys wanting to watch these scenes are imagining slavery-affected relationships that they are separated from by 5+ generations.

BoobJesus wrote:I don't get it either, though it certainly doesn't bother me. Personally, as long as they're getting fucked by humans, I'm content. When LP starts getting in horses, goats and bears to fuck the girls, that's when I'll stop being a customer.

lol! I don't even want to know what country people blame for bear scenes.

avanfurwet wrote:I agree we Brits must own our unsavoury history as a slave-owning nation. The reason I think the porn stereotype came out of the Americas is because that is where the plantations were. There were almost no black people in Europe until the 20th century, and still are very few today as a % of the population.

Doesn't that point away from America as being the source? There are relatively few black people in Europe. Yet, almost every big European studio I'm aware of somehow finds black porn stars to do these types of scenes. It appears that Europeans go more out of their way to make BBC than the US actually.

leroisoleil83 wrote:Getting back to interracial porn though, I'd speculate the reason for it's appeal are largely due to what was 1. the original desire of white people now having flipped. Instead of a amazon-like rich woman dominating a black kid, the desire has flipped to wanting to see a black man overtake a young white girl. Also another influence is the black porn viewer which has spread to other societies. Alot of what porn is for some is simply fantasy, or perhaps transposing ones-self into the scene, which of course for a black viewer would be easier with a black actor. (shrugs) Just my opinion, though. Sorry for the historical rants, not trying to annoy anyone, just thought some might find it interesting.

I like the historical information. Thank you for posting it.

I'm just skeptical that there really is much of a historical connection. I suspect that it's more based on perceived modern cultural and physical differences.

^ Maybe we make ourselves theory of espionage to this topic .

^ There's an origin for everything. We're just idly speculating. Current porn customers are imagining current interracial situations e.g. "gangland" scenarios of racial segregation, which in some ways haven't moved on very far in all those generations. The stereotypical scene where a poor white girl falls into the hands of badass black studs, etc. There's a reason why stereotypical USA cuckold porn features lame white cuckolds and virile black studs. IMO Europe is just copying an American porn genre.

^

I don't know. Modern black gangs seem pretty far removed from black people being enslaved to me. Opposite extremes actually.

laird. cameltown wrote:^

I don't know. Modern black gangs seem pretty far removed from black people being enslaved to me. Opposite extremes actually.

Think about it.
Modern day black gangs only exist because the communities that spawn them are ghettos of poverty, discrimination and barriers to legitimate opportunities.
The porn fantasy is the same. Badass virile black guy. Not "repectable".
Not saying it's a good thing. But it is what it is.

avanfurwet wrote:

laird. cameltown wrote:^

I don't know. Modern black gangs seem pretty far removed from black people being enslaved to me. Opposite extremes actually.

Think about it.
Modern day black gangs only exist because the communities that spawn them are ghettos of poverty, discrimination and barriers to legitimate opportunities.
The porn fantasy is the same. Badass virile black guy. Not "repectable".
Not saying it's a good thing. But it is what it is.

But those aren't the same stereotypes. Being enslaved and being a badass in a lawless gang are two different things.

The idea is also problematic because of how some black people themselves approach sex. It's not difficult to find sexually explicit rap that boasts about doggy style and exploiting "bitches". That is coming directly from black people rather than non-blacks portraying them in some stereotypical way.

laird. cameltown wrote:

avanfurwet wrote:

laird. cameltown wrote:^

I don't know. Modern black gangs seem pretty far removed from black people being enslaved to me. Opposite extremes actually.

Think about it.
Modern day black gangs only exist because the communities that spawn them are ghettos of poverty, discrimination and barriers to legitimate opportunities.
The porn fantasy is the same. Badass virile black guy. Not "repectable".
Not saying it's a good thing. But it is what it is.

But those aren't the same stereotypes. Being enslaved and being a badass in a lawless gang are two different things.

The idea is also problematic because of how some black people themselves approach sex. It's not difficult to find sexually explicit rap that boasts about doggy style and exploiting "bitches". That is coming directly from black people rather than non-blacks portraying them in some stereotypical way.

IMO the porn stereotypes are directly connected down the centuries.

The idea is that "interracial" porn originated from communities where black and white races co-existed under unnatural, unequal and segregated conditions, where a market arose to cater for white people's fantasy of guilt-free taboo sex with physically attractive black manual workers. The stereotypes of interracial porn arose because the races were/are not respected or treated as equals.

Modern American "black culture" developed against a social background of segregation, prejudice and injustice which is a direct consequence of the history of slavery. Some black culture features alienated angry young black men ranting about seeking empowerment by doing unto others. In some ways this perpetuates the cartoon stereotypes and slows any progress towards peace, respect and equality.

DoubleOrNothing Great recopilation!!

The idea is also problematic because of how some black people themselves approach sex. It's not difficult to find sexually explicit rap that boasts about doggy style and exploiting "bitches". That is coming directly from black people rather than non-blacks portraying them in some stereotypical way.

All is matter of money . You can't forget most of population are simply mob. And in this rap (and also in most other generes of music) you will find mostly language for mob. This mob is required for artists to exist and make $$. And half naked "bitches" in clips always increase viewership so it's mandatory . Gangsta style - "bitches", money, guns, expensive cars etc. It doesn't mean all afroamericans approach sex in the same manner.

avanfurwet wrote:IMO the porn stereotypes are directly connected down the centuries.

The idea is that "interracial" porn originated from communities where black and white races co-existed under unnatural, unequal and segregated conditions, where a market arose to cater for white people's fantasy of guilt-free taboo sex with physically attractive black manual workers. The stereotypes of interracial porn arose because the races were/are not respected or treated as equals.

Modern American "black culture" developed against a social background of segregation, prejudice and injustice which is a direct consequence of the history of slavery. Some black culture features alienated angry young black men ranting about seeking empowerment by doing unto others. In some ways this perpetuates the cartoon stereotypes and slows any progress towards peace, respect and equality.

I can agree that there is arguably a historical connection between slavery and gangs. But, if anything, that is a cause and effect relationship. Not the persistence of a single stereotype. The stereotypes about black people during slavery are different than the stereotypes about black people in 2017.

I guess you could argue that some rappers perpetuate stereotypes now. But, I am certain that they would take issue with that and argue that their message comes from empowerment. Can rappers not be a part of black culture and speak for themselves about how they want to approach sex (or anything else)? And what is the source of the stereotype if someone identifies with that message, as stated, in 2017?

Kriss1986 wrote:All is matter of money . You can't forget most of population are simply mob. And in this rap (and also in most other generes of music) you will find mostly language for mob. This mob is required for artists to exist and make $$. And half naked "bitches" in clips always increase viewership so it's mandatory . Gangsta style - "bitches", money, guns, expensive cars etc. It doesn't mean all afroamericans approach sex in the same manner.

I'm definitely not saying that all black people approach sex this way. But, it seems far more plausible to me that modern porn consumers would take cues from rap music than they would from their feelings about American history.

The abbreviation 'IR' for inter-racial hardly exists for UK porn. As they say, it's class rather than race that UK people have more secret hang-ups about.
As for data: well, in the US, actresses are supposed to plan out their career progressively to maximise earning potential: G/G, B/G, anal, IR, gangbang (they're not all Spiegler girls). Studios advertise actresses' 'first inter-racial scene' as something special with extra desirability. I don't think I've ever seen that in the UK. Slave-owning doesn't play a part in the psyche. Mixed couples are no big deal except in very rural areas. The interest in inter-racial, if any, is in whether black guys have bigger cocks, not whether they're 'rising up and possessing our womenfolk'.

I like the aesthetic contrast with pale skinned girls. I sort of get it that it makes it more difficult to put yourself in the performer's position if his dick's a different colour to yours. But I don't focus on the guy behind the dick; I'm watching the girl most of the time anyway.