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Brazzers Scandal

Postby Ass2Die4464 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:00 pm

How the mighty has fallen!

Brazzers Supports Nikki Benz
by TRENDZZ
December 21, 2016

We have become aware of a controversy surrounding a recent shoot involving Nikki Benz. As most of you already know, we do not produce content ourselves but commission producers to do so on our behalf. We understand that this particular scene was an unscripted scene with the artistic direction left open to the producer’s discretion.

Brazzers considers performers’ consent, boundaries and limits and safety to be fundamental and paramount issues and unequivocally stands for the respect of the performers. Brazzers does not condone nor does it tolerate conduct by producers that would jeopardize a performer’s security or well-being.

Given the allegations surrounding the production of this scene, Brazzers will thoroughly investigate its production, and, if necessary will take steps that are reasonably calculated to prevent the alleged behaviour from occurring.

Brazzers always reserves the right to reject any particular scene if it does not meet with its brand and image guidelines. Producers are aware of this and, we hope, are cognizant of that when shooting scenes for Brazzers. This particular type of scene would never meet our standards and would be rejected immediately.

Sincerely,

Brazzers


I have to give them credit thought as they addressed the issue publicly directly and succinctly within a day.

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Postby vnhaln52 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:50 pm

Who was the porn mope that abused her?

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Postby avanfurwet » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:57 pm

vnhaln52 wrote:Who was the porn mope that abused her?


"Tony T" according to Daily Mail.

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Postby avanfurwet » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:04 pm

IMO Brazzers only broke cover because Nikki Benz is a big name star who caused a twitterstorm of bad PR for them.

Standard issue corporate denial of responsibility statement written by some lawyer. The first thing they do is distance themselves from the producer and say they only "commission" content. Their solution seems to be to threaten to "reject" the scene. So that's all right then. :rolleyes:

Remains to be seen what, if anything, Brazzers do (or indeed can do) to require independent producers to behave.

A chaperone from the model's agency or a MUA on set with a mobile phone could stop the filming or call 911 in extreme cases, but I guess a veteran performer like Nikki thought she didn't need that.

Personally I think if she has a case for assault, she should have lawyered up on day zero and gone for their jugular.

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Postby Kriss1986 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:32 pm

avanfurwet wrote:IMO Brazzers only broke cover because Nikki Benz is a big name star who caused a twitterstorm of bad PR for them.

Standard issue corporate denial of responsibility statement written by some lawyer. The first thing they do is distance themselves from the producer and say they only "commission" content. Their solution seems to be to threaten to "reject" the scene. So that's all right then. :rolleyes:

Remains to be seen what, if anything, Brazzers do (or indeed can do) to require independent producers to behave.

A chaperone from the model's agency or a MUA on set with a mobile phone could stop the filming or call 911 in extreme cases, but I guess a veteran performer like Nikki thought she didn't need that.

Personally I think if she has a case for assault, she should have lawyered up on day zero and gone for their jugular.


Yeah she is a great star and very popular girl with a lot of loyal fans so they have no choice. But man I'm so shocked of this situation :(.
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Postby avanfurwet » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:43 pm

I wish I was shocked, or even surprised.

Plenty of rotten apples in American porn male talent. Plenty of 'roid rage and just plain old fashioned scumbags. Allegations of rape and assault about James Deen, Jack Venice, Max Hardcore, others. Sites like "Facial Abuse" and "Meatholes" (as was) which seem to specialise in humiliating girls and breaking them down.

I guess some of it is drama from the girls, but not all.

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Postby laura. » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:48 pm

Not had time to fully absorb the news here but that is horrific and if true I hope he gets justice. Poor girl doesn't deserve that and you'd think a so called respected site like Brazzers would know better. The darker elements of a lot of American porn are sinister and have their basis in female humiliation, but you'd expect that from dirge like Facial Abuse and not something mainstream, and dare I say vanilla, like Brazzers. If the market leader can't uphold moral values then god knows what goes on in some of others.

Just shit

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Postby Kriss1986 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:56 pm

avanfurwet wrote:I wish I was shocked, or even surprised.

Plenty of rotten apples in American porn male talent. Plenty of 'roid rage and just plain old fashioned scumbags. Allegations of rape and assault about James Deen, Jack Venice, Max Hardcore, others. Sites like "Facial Abuse" and "Meatholes" (as was) which seem to specialise in humiliating girls and breaking them down.

I guess some of it is drama from the girls, but not all.


I'm just wondering why girls are deciding to perform scenes for e.g. "Facial Abuse"? It's hard to believe that they didn't watched some previous productions and don't know how those scumbags treating females.
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Postby Kriss1986 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:00 pm

laura. wrote:Not had time to fully absorb the news here but that is horrific and if true I hope he gets justice. Poor girl doesn't deserve that and you'd think a so called respected site like Brazzers would know better. The darker elements of a lot of American porn are sinister and have their basis in female humiliation, but you'd expect that from dirge like Facial Abuse and not something mainstream, and dare I say vanilla, like Brazzers. If the market leader can't uphold moral values then god knows what goes on in some of others.

Just shit


In the past ZZ had site with rough sex based on humiliation - "Pornstars punishment". After some time it was closed due some law issues. BTW the main fucker of PP was James Deen so you can imagine the style of act.
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Postby avanfurwet » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:02 pm

Kriss1986 wrote:
avanfurwet wrote:I wish I was shocked, or even surprised.

Plenty of rotten apples in American porn male talent. Plenty of 'roid rage and just plain old fashioned scumbags. Allegations of rape and assault about James Deen, Jack Venice, Max Hardcore, others. Sites like "Facial Abuse" and "Meatholes" (as was) which seem to specialise in humiliating girls and breaking them down.

I guess some of it is drama from the girls, but not all.


I'm just wondering why girls are deciding to perform scenes for e.g. "Facial Abuse"? It's hard to believe that they didn't watched some previous productions and don't know how those scumbags treating females.


Exactly. And why do their agencies send the girls to such producers? Maybe the rent is due and these California girls aren't the best at planning ahead?

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Postby laura. » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:10 pm

Kriss1986 wrote:
laura. wrote:Not had time to fully absorb the news here but that is horrific and if true I hope he gets justice. Poor girl doesn't deserve that and you'd think a so called respected site like Brazzers would know better. The darker elements of a lot of American porn are sinister and have their basis in female humiliation, but you'd expect that from dirge like Facial Abuse and not something mainstream, and dare I say vanilla, like Brazzers. If the market leader can't uphold moral values then god knows what goes on in some of others.

Just shit


In the past ZZ had site with rough sex based on humiliation - "Pornstars punishment". After some time it was closed due some law issues. BTW the main fucker of PP was James Deen so you can imagine the style of act.


Exactly! And I used to fancy the fuck out of Deen, makes me want to vomit now

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Postby Kriss1986 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:13 pm

avanfurwet wrote:
Kriss1986 wrote:
avanfurwet wrote:I wish I was shocked, or even surprised.

Plenty of rotten apples in American porn male talent. Plenty of 'roid rage and just plain old fashioned scumbags. Allegations of rape and assault about James Deen, Jack Venice, Max Hardcore, others. Sites like "Facial Abuse" and "Meatholes" (as was) which seem to specialise in humiliating girls and breaking them down.

I guess some of it is drama from the girls, but not all.


I'm just wondering why girls are deciding to perform scenes for e.g. "Facial Abuse"? It's hard to believe that they didn't watched some previous productions and don't know how those scumbags treating females.


Exactly. And why do their agencies send the girls to such producers? Maybe the rent is due and these California girls aren't the best at planning ahead?


Hmm... maybe. The most of those girls are newbies and seems to be inexperienced. Mabye those young ladies just don't know how hard act will be... Anyway it's really sad :(.
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Postby Kriss1986 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:18 pm

laura. wrote:
Kriss1986 wrote:
laura. wrote:Not had time to fully absorb the news here but that is horrific and if true I hope he gets justice. Poor girl doesn't deserve that and you'd think a so called respected site like Brazzers would know better. The darker elements of a lot of American porn are sinister and have their basis in female humiliation, but you'd expect that from dirge like Facial Abuse and not something mainstream, and dare I say vanilla, like Brazzers. If the market leader can't uphold moral values then god knows what goes on in some of others.

Just shit


In the past ZZ had site with rough sex based on humiliation - "Pornstars punishment". After some time it was closed due some law issues. BTW the main fucker of PP was James Deen so you can imagine the style of act.


Exactly! And I used to fancy the fuck out of Deen, makes me want to vomit now


I suppose he has some serious mental issues. He always is trying dominate a girls at all costs... Anyway he is an asshole.
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Postby TheVulture » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:46 pm

So is this going to bring to an end people on here trotting out standard lines like "She knew what she was signing up for" etc. in defence of poor male on screen behaviour?

I'm not surprised by this in the slightest and I hope people don't for one minute think that this is entirely isolated and that LP are in some way immune from this kind of thing. Very many LP scenes sail very close to the wind vis a vis exploitation and this episode is simply a reflection of the way the wind has been blowing in porn for very many years.

Full marks to Brazzers for their stance and statement and please let's have more female porn stars and their representatives calling out poor male behaviour as and when it arises and breaking the macho/bully boy porn culture.
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Postby vnhaln52 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:26 pm

How about Donkey Punch? One girl (I forget who) told them NOT to punch her in the head as she recently had some sort of brain surgery and sure enough the porn mope bopped her in the head anyways and she went postal on him.

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Postby kidloco2 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:43 pm

laura. wrote:Exactly! And I used to fancy the fuck out of Deen, makes me want to vomit now


Surprised? IMHO he was and is always kind of "THAT" type of a guy. :confused:

I share your view, laura, but look out, everything is so extreme and to the edge now out there. I predicted
a few years ago this silly trend of over the edge or extreme porn, and now it's here. For me it's no surprise.

I'm all against even the slightest aggressive looking porn even faked, but honestly, many times it's not faked and
the poor girl is in real discomfort, which she may regret later a lot).
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Postby TheVulture » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:25 pm

kidloco2 wrote:discomfort positions


Yet many of you ask for the despicable "full nelson" to be more prevalent in scenes.

Rank hypocrisy.
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Postby mistress_cindy2008 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:19 am

Tony T still thinks this is Chico Wang scenes from 10 years ago when he was allowed to do this stuff with impunity.

Times have changed, the performers are more likely to stand up to this. Good for her.

Also funny how when Sineplex did their payment issues, it was LP's fault apparently..... yet here is Brazzers playing the "it's not us, it's them"..... nice hypocrisy.

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Postby mistress_cindy2008 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:22 am

TheVulture wrote:So is this going to bring to an end people on here trotting out standard lines like "She knew what she was signing up for" etc. in defence of poor male on screen behaviour?

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yes and no. They do know what they are singing up for but as we all know that is open to interpretation and sometimes being told and experiencing it are different. However, if they feel it has gone too far, they have the right to ask for the scene to stop. If he didn't stop, the is in a shitload of trouble. He is a marginal performer so it is something that could finish him in porn. (I thought he was gone from porn.... didn't even know he was still around... he is/was an unappealing performer to say the least)

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mistress_cindy2008 wrote:
TheVulture wrote:So is this going to bring to an end people on here trotting out standard lines like "She knew what she was signing up for" etc. in defence of poor male on screen behaviour?

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yes and no. They do know what they are singing up for but as we all know that is open to interpretation and sometimes being told and experiencing it are different. However, if they feel it has gone too far, they have the right to ask for the scene to stop. If he didn't stop, the is in a shitload of trouble. He is a marginal performer so it is something that could finish him in porn. (I thought he was gone from porn.... didn't even know he was still around... he is/was an unappealing performer to say the least)


NO always means NO, even in porn. If she felt uncomfortable and asked to stop he should do it immediatelly.
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Postby avanfurwet » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:38 am

mistress_cindy2008 wrote:
TheVulture wrote:So is this going to bring to an end people on here trotting out standard lines like "She knew what she was signing up for" etc. in defence of poor male on screen behaviour?

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yes and no. They do know what they are singing up for but as we all know that is open to interpretation and sometimes being told and experiencing it are different. However, if they feel it has gone too far, they have the right to ask for the scene to stop. If he didn't stop, the is in a shitload of trouble. He is a marginal performer so it is something that could finish him in porn. (I thought he was gone from porn.... didn't even know he was still around... he is/was an unappealing performer to say the least)


I'm guessing Nikki didn't sign up to be assaulted after she tapped out or just said "stop". So the question doesn't apply.

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Postby cyberhog59 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:18 am

I thought Tony T either a) retired or b) was finally shunned out of the business. His last reported scene at iafd was in 2012 and his list spin as a director in 2008. He was always hyperagrressive in almost every scene, but in Unnatural Sex 13 he went ballistic with Isabel Ice. One only would have to watch that scene to understand what kind of guy you are working with, so Brazzers first step (if they are serious) is to know who they work with. As for Ms. Benz, I'm sure she is well aware of this guy too. Who would want to work for somebody like that?

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Postby matthias.speich » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:20 am

Kriss1986 wrote:
mistress_cindy2008 wrote:
TheVulture wrote:So is this going to bring to an end people on here trotting out standard lines like "She knew what she was signing up for" etc. in defence of poor male on screen behaviour?

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yes and no. They do know what they are singing up for but as we all know that is open to interpretation and sometimes being told and experiencing it are different. However, if they feel it has gone too far, they have the right to ask for the scene to stop. If he didn't stop, the is in a shitload of trouble. He is a marginal performer so it is something that could finish him in porn. (I thought he was gone from porn.... didn't even know he was still around... he is/was an unappealing performer to say the least)


NO always means NO, even in porn. If she felt uncomfortable and asked to stop he should do it immediatelly.


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Postby avanfurwet » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:10 pm

cyberhog59 wrote:I thought Tony T either a) retired or b) was finally shunned out of the business. His last reported scene at iafd was in 2012 and his list spin as a director in 2008. He was always hyperagrressive in almost every scene, but in Unnatural Sex 13 he went ballistic with Isabel Ice. One only would have to watch that scene to understand what kind of guy you are working with, so Brazzers first step (if they are serious) is to know who they work with. As for Ms. Benz, I'm sure she is well aware of this guy too. Who would want to work for somebody like that?



Good question. I never heard of him. If he's such a known thug, why did Brazzers commission him and why did a big star like Nikki agree to work with him?

I think Brazzers are just another corporation happy to maximise sales by sailing as close to the wind as possible and then trying to distance themselves from any problems which emerge by claiming they just "commission content".

And maybe Nikki as a porn veteran thought she could handle the scene, but expected the guy to respect her limits when she tapped out.

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Was that scene released?
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FunkyF836 wrote:Was that scene released?

I doubt it will ever see the light of day unless its in a courtroom.

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Brazzers Updated Statement

12/22/2016

Brazzers, along with the entire adult community, was upset to learn of the recent events surrounding a film shoot involving one of our own, Nikki Benz. Nikki is a seasoned professional and both the performer and the producer have worked together on many collaborations over the years without issue. The moment that the disturbing details of the event were brought to our attention, we treated it with the urgency that it demanded and investigated the situation to understand what exactly had taken place. It appears that some of the alleged conduct could have occurred, and we took immediate measure to sever our relationship with the producer in question. Not only have we terminated all existing professional engagements with the producer, but any possibility for any future endeavors with this producer have also been quashed.

We have also refused to purchase the scene in question as it stands in direct contrast with our mandate to ensure that performers’ consent, boundaries and limits are respected. It is our commitment that this offensive scene will never find itself listed as a Brazzers property.

Nikki Benz has been, and will always be, a part of the Brazzers family. As with any of our performers, her well-being and security are a paramount concern to us. We have reached out to her through multiple channels while she seeks solace on her current holiday, and are eager to have a proper and productive dialogue with her at her convenience.

Ultimately, Nikki understands that she has our support on this disturbing matter and that we are available to assist her through this difficult time.

Sincerely,

Brazzers



Reads as though they are concerned she may be talking to her lawyers.

I wonder on whose letterhead she would have signed her model release for this scene?

Meanwhile some news websites are reporting that the producer is denying the allegations.

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Postby mistress_cindy2008 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:45 pm

cyberhog59 wrote:I thought Tony T either a) retired or b) was finally shunned out of the business. His last reported scene at iafd was in 2012 and his list spin as a director in 2008. He was always hyperagrressive in almost every scene, but in Unnatural Sex 13 he went ballistic with Isabel Ice. One only would have to watch that scene to understand what kind of guy you are working with, so Brazzers first step (if they are serious) is to know who they work with. As for Ms. Benz, I'm sure she is well aware of this guy too. Who would want to work for somebody like that?


That scene with Ice was an interesting one you bring up. She seemed to take it and go with it. However, there are a lot of girls that would have asked for the scene to stop. He was a piece of shit in that scene in my opinion.
I see a guy who likes to hurt women. Rough sex is awesome... however, that has boundaries... Tony seems like someone who just wants to hurt....

LIke I said, I am surprised this guy is still in the business. This will likely be his last stand with anyone other than making shit for himself.

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Postby laura. » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:57 pm

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If that was the paddling pool one I totally agree. Even with someone as resilient and out there as Isobel that was overstepping the mark. Ugly beast also

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Postby Kriss1986 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:54 am

mistress_cindy2008 wrote:
cyberhog59 wrote:I thought Tony T either a) retired or b) was finally shunned out of the business. His last reported scene at iafd was in 2012 and his list spin as a director in 2008. He was always hyperagrressive in almost every scene, but in Unnatural Sex 13 he went ballistic with Isabel Ice. One only would have to watch that scene to understand what kind of guy you are working with, so Brazzers first step (if they are serious) is to know who they work with. As for Ms. Benz, I'm sure she is well aware of this guy too. Who would want to work for somebody like that?


That scene with Ice was an interesting one you bring up. She seemed to take it and go with it. However, there are a lot of girls that would have asked for the scene to stop. He was a piece of shit in that scene in my opinion.
I see a guy who likes to hurt women. Rough sex is awesome... however, that has boundaries... Tony seems like someone who just wants to hurt....

LIke I said, I am surprised this guy is still in the business. This will likely be his last stand with anyone other than making shit for himself.


It's a huge difference between rough sex when both sides enjoys the act and sexually assault when girl is pushing too hard and want to stop... Even if porn it's her job it's unacceptable when actress is hurting and treating like a subject :mad:.
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Postby VBT_2 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:24 am

Society see porn-job as "one way only and no way back" activity. Because of that, girls are discouraged to oppose and rarely refuse to do something (what they don't want) on scene, since they risks to lost engaging (current one, but also in future) and they know that fact they have already entered the porn-industry usually is an obstacle in other spheres, thus search for a (other) job. Such position is wittingly misused by some people in the porn business (I will not mention known examples, many were cited on forum).

I don't like this, but that is how it is like now.

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Postby avanfurwet » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:40 am

VBT_2 wrote:Society see porn-job as "one way only and no way back" activity. Because of that, girls are discouraged to oppose and rarely refuse to do something (what they don't want) on scene, since they risks to lost engaging (current one, but also in future) and they know that fact they have already entered the porn-industry usually is an obstacle in other spheres, thus search for a (other) job. Such position is wittingly misused by some people in the porn business (I will not mention known examples, many were cited on forum).

I don't like this, but that is how it is like now.


I think girls typically exit the porn industry quite quickly after brief "careers" so they must find other options in life. Not a one-way street then.
Of course there are always creepy arseholes who try to exploit and intimidate the girls during their time in porn.

The surprising thing in this case is that Nikki Benz is a well-connected major pornstar - why try to assault her instead of some poor defenseless newbie?
Was he on drugs?

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Postby VBT_2 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:02 am

avanfurwet wrote:I think girls typically exit the porn industry quite quickly after brief "careers" so they must find other options in life. Not a one-way street then.

Surely. But their porn-careers often/usually are weight/limitations in/for future.

You did not understand me in this part. Society see porn-job as "one way only and no way back" activity. Even lot of models see it that way, not like a job for whole life but like a job which "marks" you.

avanfurwet wrote:The surprising thing in this case is that Nikki Benz is a well-connected major pornstar - why try to assault her instead of some poor defenseless newbie?

Niki Benz is really big star, so her voice is more important for media than in case of some newbie. For example, girls proportionally rarely have complains on Woodman despite his attitude (I explained some reasons earlier), and medias even don't care too much about their opinions. That is why we talk about this issue, in case of some newbie things would be slower.

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Postby avanfurwet » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:18 am

VBT_2 wrote:
avanfurwet wrote:I think girls typically exit the porn industry quite quickly after brief "careers" so they must find other options in life. Not a one-way street then.

Surely. But their porn-careers often/usually are weight/limitations in/for future.

You did not understand me in this part. Society see porn-job as "one way only and no way back" activity. Even lot of models see it that way, not like a job for whole life but like a job which "marks" you.

I understood you. Girls can and do quit, for a thousand reasons. So when idiots try to pressure girls to shut up and take whatever treatment is forced on them, their leverage is limited. IMO they get away with it more by personality, intimidation and just lying to naive suggestible young women than by any actual leverage.

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avanfurwet wrote:The surprising thing in this case is that Nikki Benz is a well-connected major pornstar - why try to assault her instead of some poor defenseless newbie?

Niki Benz is really big star, so her voice is more important for media than in case of some newbie. For example, girls proportionally rarely have complains on Woodman despite his attitude (I explained some reasons earlier), and medias even don't care too much about their opinions. That is why we talk about this issue, in case of some newbie things would be slower.

I know, which is why I'm surprised if some no-name producer thought it would be a really good idea to assault Nikki Benz.
But I'm also surprised that James Deen apparently thought it would be a really good idea to assault Stoya. What was he thinking?
Maybe these fools thought it would make them look more powerful if they could boast about how they humiliated a big name pornstar.
Like the vile Trump when he boasted about "grabbing them by the pussy".

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Postby Kriss1986 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:43 pm

In my opinion porn might be limitation for future. Most of those girls have only their bodies to earn money. I don't know how many of them have good education or finished studies etc. Some morons could use it as argument to pressure on girl :(. It's also question of personality I suppose. I agree with VBT_2 porn job "marks" girls. I doubt if e.g. well know law office will hire ex porn star. From other side there are some girls in the biz who definitelly are good examle of forward thinking like Tasha Reign - @Avanfurwet - she is US star so you should know her. Tasha is porn actress and at the same time she is studdy. That will give her options in the future! Once I have read interview with Tasha and jurnalist asked her what her colleagues and teachers think about her porn career and how they behave. Tasha answered that nobody never ever asked about porn and all people around her behave normal and with respect. It was really nice to read that :).

I know, which is why I'm surprised if some no-name producer thought it would be a really good idea to assault Nikki Benz.
But I'm also surprised that James Deen apparently thought it would be a really good idea to assault Stoya. What was he thinking?
Maybe these fools thought it would make them look more powerful if they could boast about how they humiliated a big name pornstar.
Like the vile Trump when he boasted about "grabbing them by the pussy".


You shouldn't be suprised and looking resonable explanation why he attacked well known and big star. Both of mentioned studs generally are morons and don't use their brains. Additional it seems both have rapist aspirations...
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Postby avanfurwet » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:31 pm

Kriss1986 wrote:In my opinion porn might be limitation for future. Most of those girls have only their bodies to earn money. I don't know how many of them have good education or finished studies etc. Some morons could use it as argument to pressure on girl :(. It's also question of personality I suppose. I agree with VBT_2 porn job "marks" girls. I doubt if e.g. well know law office will hire ex porn star. From other side there are some girls in the biz who definitelly are good examle of forward thinking like Tasha Reign - @Avanfurwet - she is US star so you should know her. Tasha is porn actress and at the same time she is studdy. That will give her options in the future! Once I have read interview with Tasha and jurnalist asked her what her colleagues and teachers think about her porn career and how they behave. Tasha answered that nobody never ever asked about porn and all people around her behave normal and with respect. It was really nice to read that :).


I agree, once a girl is "exposed" in porn she is unlikely to be appointed a bishop :)
(Even though porn girls are probably better people than most bishops, that's another story.)

But it's not like her life is over outside porn. The smart girls can use the money they made to go to school or start a business. The girls who feel they have only their beauty to make money can get work in bars, clubs, etc. or work as escorts if they want, or find someone to marry ;)

My point was, I don't think threatening a girl with "I'll make sure nobody hires you again for porn" is much leverage when girls drift in and out of porn work all the time. Just my opinion.


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I know, which is why I'm surprised if some no-name producer thought it would be a really good idea to assault Nikki Benz.
But I'm also surprised that James Deen apparently thought it would be a really good idea to assault Stoya. What was he thinking?
Maybe these fools thought it would make them look more powerful if they could boast about how they humiliated a big name pornstar.
Like the vile Trump when he boasted about "grabbing them by the pussy".


You shouldn't be suprised and looking resonable explanation why he attacked well known and big star. Both of mentioned studs generally are morons and don't use their brains. Additional it seems both have rapist aspirations...


Maybe you're right. Maybe some people are just a complete waste of oxygen and try to inflate their own egos by trying to crush other people. :(

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Re: Brazzers Scandal

Postby vnhaln52 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:37 pm

Porn is gradually moving in a more and more extreme product. Its why most guys watch LP. Is it any surprise that girls are being abused or treated roughly on porn sets?

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Postby avanfurwet » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:15 pm

vnhaln52 wrote:Porn is gradually moving in a more and more extreme product. Its why most guys watch LP. Is it any surprise that girls are being abused or treated roughly on porn sets?


Any evidence for the prosecution?

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Postby TheVulture » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:46 pm

VBT_2 wrote:Society see porn-job as "one way only and no way back" activity. Because of that, girls are discouraged to oppose and rarely refuse to do something (what they don't want) on scene, since they risks to lost engaging (current one, but also in future) and they know that fact they have already entered the porn-industry usually is an obstacle in other spheres, thus search for a (other) job. Such position is wittingly misused by some people in the porn business (I will not mention known examples, many were cited on forum).

I don't like this, but that is how it is like now.


Very well said.

Yet the default reply of porn fans on forums such as these remains "The girl knows what she is signing up to".

Had anyone posted online about the Isobel Ice scene at the time (which I haven't seen, although Isobel was a fantastic porn babe) they would have been met with a volley of "The girl knows what she is signing up to".

Unfortunately that is the way of things and until more people speak out we're unlikely to see much change in the porn industry, which over the last 10 years or so appears to have become more male dominant, macho and brutish.

What's probably needed is a union for female porn stars, perhaps founded and run by former female porn stars. These may even exist, I have no idea (although would tend to doubt it).
More non-manhandle scenes please. Hands away from face/neck/shoulders. Keep the girls loose, free and expressive. Don't overpower them - let them sizzle! Keep the heels on. More panties pulled to one side. More skirts/tight dresses. More 0% pussy scenes.

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