[POLL]: LPAV WC2024 / top-50 round / How should we run it?

[pronossstat]

Hi everyone!

Finally I'm back with the results, sorry for this disappearance. I updated first post, but let me leave these pictures here also.
Some details are in first post.

WC2023 top-10

WC2023 11-50 places

WC2023 51-100 places

[plajvaz]

I am glad that you come back!

If you're willing, would you start another type of championship, as we spoke about:

1. Select first 25 ranked girls

2. Create just one standard topic (without creating poll) and list all these girls.

3. Each forum member can vote by giving points for exactly 10 girls in his post.
Points can be distributed like in EuroSong voting (12 - 10 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1) or you can use some other distribution system (for example, 15 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1).

With this approach, you will achieve two things:
1. You will eliminate fraud/cheating. Voting is transparent and you can ignore the votes from forum members that don't have at least 5 or 10 posts and/or from forum members that are registered just few days ago.
2. You will give forum members the possibility to rank their favorites.

With this approach the results will be much closer to reality and I can expect some interesting differences in comparison with existing results.

What do you think?

[guaguancogomez]

Congrats. Hell of a work. Remind me some beautiful women willing to fullfill men fantasies.

[dap-addict]

I am glad that you come back!

+ 1

Incredibly fine work!

I shall comment some rankings from my subjective POV a bit later; there are quite a few surprises for me still!

[misangrenegra2]

Wow, this must have taken you a lot of work, the edition work looks cool, keep going!.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Based on the outcomes of that top 10, which is like a dream harem of extremely hot women...both my partner and I felt there was room for Adeline to be in that top 10.
With perhaps someone like Mina who has not been consistently active for GIO and Gonzo for a long time to drop out.

However, we respect that votes are votes and many people will vote on historical sentiments rather than actual quality, activity, and recent/consistent meritocracy.

It is certainly a strong line up.

[guaguancogomez]

Comparing this Champship 2023 with lots of work and votes with the LP Models page that in theory rank the models by populaity.

One might expect some level of correlation.

But this it the position of the top ten winners in the model page.

Anna De Ville - NON EXISTENT. Can you believe that you wont find her in the models page.
Veronica Leal. - 2 The only one that has the same position in this two ranks
Rebel Ryder - NON EXISTENT IN THE MODELS PAGE
Brittany Bardot - 84
Francys Belle - 189
Mina - 71
Nicole Black - 29
Ria Sunn - 7
Jolee Love - 83
Emily Pink - 12

I once requested the revision of the algorithm that ranks the models page, but there was no answer.
That Anna de Ville and Rebel do not even appears shows a lack of maintenance and lack of interest in the way the site works.

[guaguancogomez]

Sorry Anna de Ville is in posisition 618 Far away from Top
Rebel ryder is in position 124 in the model page. Again far away from Top

[justinwarren41]

Wow Incredible job! Impressive summary graphics. I have to say, I'm surprised of how much I personally agree with the results. Democracy in action

I felt it was Anna de Ville and Veronica Leal #1a and #1b from the start so can't argue with anything here. Only question, do we just change the site to AnnaVids.com or LealPorno.com

These two pornstars deserve it, just legends and guess what? Still making incredible porn today

[pronossstat]

Only question, do we just change the site to AnnaVids.com or LealPorno.com
These two pornstars deserve it, just legends and guess what? Still making incredible porn today

Haha, well spotted! I think they could change sites logo on their birthdays, for example

Comparing this Champship 2023 with lots of work and votes with the LP Models page that in theory rank the models by populaity.
I once requested the revision of the algorithm that ranks the models page, but there was no answer.
That Anna de Ville and Rebel do not even appears shows a lack of maintenance and lack of interest in the way the site works.

This site's popularity rank is totally useless an the only thing it shows is that the algorithm is broken.
That was one of the reasons for me to do this Championship

[dap-addict]

This site's popularity rank is totally useless an the only thing it shows is that the algorithm is broken.

It's not totally useless, but somehow filters out very popular girls, which is also shown very clearly on ranks 11-20 with Rebecca Sharon, the Dellai twins and Stacy Bloom. Worst is when failed popularity algorithms are used by studios to try lowering girls fees.

[guaguancogomez]

Lokk at the tabla the Poll vs the LP ranking model. Sabra bell is is 1775 base on the ranking page.

Poll Modelos Models ranking
1 Anna De Ville 618
2 Veronica Leal 2
3 Rebel Rhyder 124
4 Brittany Bardot 84
5 Francys Belle 189
6 Mina 71
7 Nicole Black 29
8 Ria Sunn 7
9 Jolee Love 83
10 Emily Pink 12
11 Polly Petrova 46
12 Arwen Gold 4
13 Rebecca Sharon 143
14 Sara Bell 1775
15 Kristy Black 25
16 Stacy Bloom 408
17 Silvia Dellai 89
18 Eveline Dellai 227
19 Adeline Lafouine733
20 Kira Thorn 60
21 Linda Sweet 10
22 Belle Claire 24
23 Natasha Teen 9
24 Jureka Del Mar 171
25 Monika Fox 439
26 Baby Kxtten 50
27 Charlotte Sartre70
28 Syren De Mer 51
29 Monika Wild 69
30 Susan Ayn 76
31 Nataly Gold 94
32 Lydia Black 395
33 Tina Kay 192
34 Selvaggia 93
35 Elen Million 187
36 Barbie Sins 186
37 Cindy Shine 58
38 Alicia Trece 382
39 Timea Bella 52
40 Megan Venturi 162
41 May Thai 68
42 Angel Smalls 1
43 Natasha Rios 299
44 July Sun 990
45 Crystal Greenvelle64
47 Daniela Ortiz 153
48 Gabriella Lati 56
49 Emily Bellexx 165
50 NicixDream 535
51 Kitty Doll8 256
51 Tabitha Poison 670
52 Florane Russell 106
53 Evelina Darling 27
54 Moona Snake 694
55 Vicky Sol 339

[dap-addict]

Great resource, guaguancogomez, thanks a lot!
Strange, wasnt Anna de Ville much higher just a few weeks ago?
Is it the pornbox rankings or analvids.com?


Anyway, I have bolded the most notable mismatches in my view between fans poll and pornbox ranking:

Lokk at the tabla the Poll vs the LP ranking model. Sabra bell is is 1775 base on the ranking page.

Poll Modelos Models ranking
1 Anna De Ville 618
2 Veronica Leal 2
3 Rebel Rhyder 124
4 Brittany Bardot 84
5 Francys Belle 189
6 Mina 71
7 Nicole Black 29
8 Ria Sunn 7
9 Jolee Love 83
10 Emily Pink 12
11 Polly Petrova 46
12 Arwen Gold 4
13 Rebecca Sharon 143
14 Sara Bell 1775
15 Kristy Black 25
16 Stacy Bloom 408
17 Silvia Dellai 89
18 Eveline Dellai 227
19 Adeline Lafouine733
20 Kira Thorn 60
21 Linda Sweet 10
22 Belle Claire 24
23 Natasha Teen 9
24 Jureka Del Mar 171
25 Monika Fox 439
26 Baby Kxtten 50
27 Charlotte Sartre70
28 Syren De Mer 51
29 Monika Wild 69
30 Susan Ayn 76
31 Nataly Gold 94
32 Lydia Black 395
33 Tina Kay 192
34 Selvaggia 93
35 Elen Million 187
36 Barbie Sins 186
37 Cindy Shine 58
38 Alicia Trece 382
39 Timea Bella 52
40 Megan Venturi 162
41 May Thai 68
42 Angel Smalls 1
43 Natasha Rios 299
44 July Sun 990
45 Crystal Greenvelle64
47 Daniela Ortiz 153
48 Gabriella Lati 56
49 Emily Bellexx 165
50 NicixDream 535
51 Kitty Doll8 256
51 Tabitha Poison 670
52 Florane Russell 106
53 Evelina Darling 27
54 Moona Snake 694
55 Vicky Sol 339

At least 3 of these marked actresses have been proposed lower DAP a.o. fees by LP studio(s) before eventual re-booking in 2023 according to my first-hand sources.

[guaguancogomez]

My source for this table was
pornbox.com/application/model/list

Is true i believe something is wrong with this ranking.
Anna de Ville 618
Sara Bell 1775
Stacy Bloom 408

Cant be right.

[pronossstat]

My source for this table was
pornbox.com/application/model/list

Is true i believe something is wrong with this ranking.
Anna de Ville 618
Sara Bell 1775
Stacy Bloom 408

Cant be right.

When something is right only in 5% cases it means this is totally wrong. It's like a broken clock that shows the correct time twice a day.
Therefore, I don’t think it makes sense to discuss any individual cases, the algorithm does not work completely. Even alphabetical order will have the same percentage of coincidence with reality. At least, Anna would be higher

[pronossstat]

Alright guys, time to continue our LP/AV World Championship in new 2024 year!

This time there will be top-50 girls from last year WC and mostly active girls outside top-50.
I will create polls in previous topics not to spam the forum, and since we almost exclude retired girls, the number of polls will be significantly less.

We will start with Quals for Brazil, "Andes" (Colombia+Venezuela) and Russia – three most active regions with a lot of new decent and promising performers.
Three groups, one for each region, 10 girls in each one, and winners will go to the next round I called "Contenders".
In this round girls will compete for top-100. Winners from previous round will face best active performers for each region from WC-2023, sometimes groups will fill up with some retired performers from top-100.

There will be two long time retired performers outside top-100: Ukrainian Sindy Rose who I added by mistake in Russian polls last year (probably that's why she didn't manage to go through quals), and Lyna Cypher who I missed by mistake despite she had a couple of decent years. Think both of them deserves a chance despite not being active anymore.

Some retired performers will just stay in top-100 without participating in WC-2024 (blue cells on the picture below).
Isabella Uzcategui (#93 in WC-2023), Kelly Oliveira (#95), Proxy Paige (#100) will relegate from top-100 without voting.

There will be also one poll for Russian retired performers, where 4 worst will be relegated from top-100.
And there will be one "Top-100 Play-off" with 5 retired performers and 5 performers from some previous polls.

The general scheme of the tournament is here, and of corse I will clarify everything in polls topic.

I also admit the possibility of changes in next rounds if some of the top-100 retired performers come back.

First 4 polls will be within a couple of hours in old topics, so get ready!

[dap-addict]

Wow, so great you could get convinced to do some polls again!
The only thing I'd adjust is I feel there is an under-representation of Latina girls and I'd at least also in include Venezuela and Argentina. Maybe 1 more contender group with 4 ARG/VEN + 3 BRA + 3 COL?

[pronossstat]

Wow, so great you could get convinced to do some polls again!
The only thing I'd adjust is I feel there is an under-representation of Latina girls and I'd at least also in include Venezuela and Argentina. Maybe 1 more contender group with 4 ARG/VEN + 3 BRA + 3 COL?

Well, these are polls I planned to do, and we talked about the other project where I didn't plan to make ones I just decided to run this first, while I'm finishing the other one.

I'm not sure if I understand you correct... There already is one group for Brazil and one Group for Colombia+Venezuela (the only one Argentinian is also there) in Quals, then in the next Quals. Only one group in Top-100 on the picture doesn't mean there will be only ten girls, not at all. You must sum this 10 girls with girls who are already in top-50 and top-10 groups (Veronica), and also there could be some retired ones just staying in top-100 due to their results last year. I compress this to polls that actually make sense, no need to mix top-10 stars with promising ones from the very beginning of the tournament, will leave it to the final stages
After this tournament the only regions which surely increase their presence in top-100 will be exactly Brazil (from 5 girls last year to 7-9 this year) and Colombia/Venezuela (from 7 girls last year to 8-10 this year), and other regions will lose some spots in top-100. If you are interested in such balance, it is described in the picture's lower left corner

And if you mean top-50, there will be also minimum +1 or even +2 girls in top-50 from the whole Lain region. I don't think there is a room for more, because of this tournament's structure based on five global regions. Only if I rethink that which is quite possible, I was focusing on the first rounds and maybe I'll change something in top-50/top-10.

[xxxEVOxxx]

Welcome back pronossstat. Good to hear from you again.

In terms of your findings. I would actually agree for the most part with the top 10.

1) Anna de Ville
2) Veronica Leal
3) Rebel Rhyder
4) Brittany Bardot
5) Francys Belle
6) Mina
7) Nicole Black
8) Ria Sunn
9) Jolee Love
10) Emily Pink

However, with Veronica now doing DAP regularly, and starting to buttrose, and Rebel Rhyder being the awesome porn performer that she is. I think the top 3 will be tighter.
Brittany has not been at GIO on a regular and consistent basis recently so I think she will drop down from number 4.
Francys has made a welcome return recently, and the scenes were good. I think she will stay somewhere in the mid-range of the current top 10.
Mina has been away for ages, but has announced recently that she is back....however, if this is based on merit - her current rating should not make her number 6, and it should be that she drops out of the top 10.
Nicole Black has only been making scenes with AGO, and I feel like recently we have not see her much so she may only scrape in to the top 10.
Ria Sunn based on her performances, expanding sexual repertoire should be higher up.
Jolee Love has also been away for a while now, and there is no big news from her so she may also drop out of the top 10.
Emily Pink (especially if she continues to buttrose), should be higher than number 10.

With these views, and realistic opinions...I think it creates space for some other stars to feature in the top 10.

Make your votes count fellow forumites and LPAV fans! xxx

[pronossstat]

Welcome back pronossstat. Good to hear from you again.

In terms of your findings. I would actually agree for the most part with the top 10.

1) Anna de Ville
2) Veronica Leal
3) Rebel Rhyder
4) Brittany Bardot
5) Francys Belle
6) Mina
7) Nicole Black
8) Ria Sunn
9) Jolee Love
10) Emily Pink

However, with Veronica now doing DAP regularly, and starting to buttrose, and Rebel Rhyder being the awesome porn performer that she is. I think the top 3 will be tighter.
Brittany has not been at GIO on a regular and consistent basis recently so I think she will drop down from number 4.
Francys has made a welcome return recently, and the scenes were good. I think she will stay somewhere in the mid-range of the current top 10.
Mina has been away for ages, but has announced recently that she is back....however, if this is based on merit - her current rating should not make her number 6, and it should be that she drops out of the top 10.
Nicole Black has only been making scenes with AGO, and I feel like recently we have not see her much so she may only scrape in to the top 10.
Ria Sunn based on her performances, expanding sexual repertoire should be higher up.
Jolee Love has also been away for a while now, and there is no big news from her so she may also drop out of the top 10.
Emily Pink (especially if she continues to buttrose), should be higher than number 10.

With these views, and realistic opinions...I think it creates space for some other stars to feature in the top 10.

Make your votes count fellow forumites and LPAV fans! xxx

You know what, some of your thoughts are just describing the rating I invented a couple of years ago and used it for this tournament
In a couple of words: it includes properly tagged acts for each performer in each LP scene, my evaluation of performance for each girl in about 20 different genres (not for each scene of course, just in general with some correction for girl's first couple of years if needed), and scenes "popularity" - how it sells. And this is how top-30 according to this rating looks like:

Obviously Rebel must be (and will be) higher, it's just a matter of time if she will continue this way. She is that low just because she have only 2 active years so far.

[dap-addict]

Interesting both posts!
I think Mina will still be TOP10 end of 2024..
And I hope Stacy Bloom will still be TOP20 based on polls and pronossstat updated personal rating. pronossstat just have to decide how much to rate users here and his own voice. One to ten or 50:50?

[pronossstat]

Interesting both posts!
I think Mina will still be TOP10 end of 2024..
And I hope Stacy Bloom will still be TOP20 based on polls and pronossstat updated personal rating. pronossstat just have to decide how much to rate users here and his own voice. One to ten or 50:50?

This is a rating without taking voting into account, I don't have mixed one and don't think there is a need to have it. But this rating takes into account sells, so members opinion is also representing
I post it just to compare, nothing much.

[pronossstat]

And I hope Stacy Bloom will still be TOP20 based on polls and pronossstat updated personal rating. pronossstat just have to decide how much to rate users here and his own voice. One to ten or 50:50?

Btw, Stacy is only #24 there mostly because of members "voting" by sells, she is rather underrated performer. Not as much as Rebecca Sharon but confidently on the 2nd place if we talk about top-30. In top-50 only Natasha Rios is more underrated, Adeline and Laura Fiorentino are somewhere near.
I have a very complicated formula for this rating, unfortunately , but roughly speaking sells gives about 1/3 of points, a half of points are contributed by acts a model perform in each scene, and other points consist of girl's performance based on my opinion, the most subjective part of this rating, and the LP-career length with taking 90+ days breaks into account.
Stacy's career is bigger than some higher girls, her performance is one of the strongest in top-30, the weakest part is sells, the most "not mine" part of this rating

[xxxVIPERxxx]

If we also look at the LPAV World Championship results for 2023...every single one of the top 5 performers were always regularly or are now buttrosing in their scenes.

Anna de Ville, Veronica Leal, Rebel Rhyder, Brittany Bardot, and Francys Belle are all fantastic performers, who can all deliver lovely buttroses.

Also, if we now correlate it with the bestselling scenes of 2024 so far:

2nd best: Rebel Rhyder's GG Anal Marathon
3rd best: Veronica Leal VS Emily Pink
5th best:Rebel Rhyder VS Veronica Leal
6th best: Rebel Rhyder Birthday Party
7th best: Vivian Lola, Manhandle Goes Wet (Almost buttrose)

The best selling is a P-slut series Yummy scene with lots of puking (which is also a popular fetish when done well).
If you look at the facts, 5 of the top 7 scenes contains buttrose porn.

I think we are certainly seeing something in a certain direction, more piss, piss puking, puking, buttrosing. I for one, am quite excited about the direction that this is taking.

[pronossstat]

If we also look at the LPAV World Championship results for 2023...every single one of the top 5 performers were always regularly or are now buttrosing in their scenes.

Anna de Ville, Veronica Leal, Rebel Rhyder, Brittany Bardot, and Francys Belle are all fantastic performers, who can all deliver lovely buttroses.

Also, if we now correlate it with the bestselling scenes of 2024 so far:

2nd best: Rebel Rhyder's GG Anal Marathon
3rd best: Veronica Leal VS Emily Pink
5th best:Rebel Rhyder VS Veronica Leal
6th best: Rebel Rhyder Birthday Party
7th best: Vivian Lola, Manhandle Goes Wet (Almost buttrose)

The best selling is a P-slut series Yummy scene with lots of puking (which is also a popular fetish when done well).
If you look at the facts, 5 of the top 7 scenes contains buttrose porn.

I think we are certainly seeing something in a certain direction, more piss, piss puking, puking, buttrosing. I for one, am quite excited about the direction that this is taking.

I don't think this is a correct correlation. Honestly, I don't think there's any connection between these bestsellers and buttroses. These scenes sell better just because they have current most popular girls, and buttrose is just a mandatory act now, like gapes f.e., nothing much And to be honest, Vero and Rebel have very average skill in this act (not saying about Vivian). If roses play any significant role in sells, most popular girls must be Adeline Lafouine, Alexa Lewis, Brittany Bardot, Monika Fox and Stacy Bloom. Ironically all of them, except Monika, are among most underrated girls, whose sales rating is for sure much lower than their overall skills. So no, sorry but no connection at all

Which cannot be said about puke - it really sells best despite Yummy never was at the top of sells. This is a fresh fetish, we don't have many scenes with it, but already have some puke-stars, Vitoria Beatriz as the most obvious one, who can be considered as a trendmakers now.

[dap-addict]

If roses play any significant role in sells, most popular girls must be Adeline Lafouine, Alexa Lewis, Brittany Bardot, Monika Fox and Stacy Bloom. Ironically all of them, except Monika, are among most underrated girls, whose sales rating is for sure much lower than their overall skills. So no, sorry but no connection at all

The latter wrote herself here if I am not mistaken that her rousing didnt help sales.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

...and buttrose is just a mandatory act now, like gapes f.e., nothing much ...

Which cannot be said about puke - it really sells best despite Yummy never was at the top of sells. This is a fresh fetish, we don't have many scenes with it, but already have some puke-stars, Vitoria Beatriz as the most obvious one, who can be considered as a trendmakers now.

Nice to get some replies, comments and discussion going on here. Thank you.

I agree fully that buttrose, and anal gapes are now more or less mandatory sex acts at LPAV/GIO studios.
I think puke is a trendmaking, fresh fetish...however, puke still for some reason gets resistance from studios, and from some fans...hard to please everyone I know.
I look back at puke porn, and think Max Hardcore did really well in the business for decades. JAV does really well with its puke porn too.

I am certain happy to continue seeing buttrosing, and am even happier to see some more puking in top tier studio scenes too.

[pronossstat]

Guys, I add new feature and really hope you will use it, because it is simple but powerful.

Now you may add some BONUS points to your favorites by comment in poll's topics.

To do this you must mention up to three girls in your comment in a clear order, simple as that.

1st place in comment will get +3 points
2nd will get + 2 points
3rd will get +1 point

If you are interested in your favorites to win, you definitely should use this, because 1st place in comment = 3 votes from different people in poll, so you can bring to your most favorite 4 points instead of just one!
On the other hand, you can expand a pool of girls who will get points from you by voting for one bunch of girls in the poll and for other girls in the comments, f.e. if you have troubles with choose the limit number of girls in poll.
Or mix these two ways, of course.

And don't be afraid to comment because you can change your mind till the end of voting with one condition: you can replace first place only to a girl from the three you pointed out before, 2nd and 3rd could be new. Just mention that this is a change.


For now, as I can see, about 10 users at least have voted, but only a couple of them voted in comments Use this feature, don't be shy

Here are links to the topics, tomorrow I will add another 5 polls for other regions:
Russian Retired girls, from top-100
Active Russian girls - top-100 contenders
Active East European girls - top-100 contenders

[pronossstat]

The Contenders round is over, and new round is just started!

Here we decide who will stay in top-100 round (along with other more successful girls):
Post-Soviet Top-100 Play Off
Czech Top-100 Play Off
Latin Top-100 Play Off
West Top-100 Play Off

And here is last play-off for top-50 round:
East Europe Top-50 Play Off

And don't forget to vote in comments to add extra points to your favorites!
About only 15-20% of voters (about 10 users) did vote also in comments in previous round, and this is very powerful feature.

[pronossstat]

Guys, I need your opinion, added a poll to the topic.
How should we run top-50 round: like in 2023 with different polls for Attractiveness/Anal/Career etc (plus extra points in comments) or like this year's previous round, just one poll with extra points in comments?

[plajvaz]

I have voted for: Like last year, with different polls for Attractiveness/Anal/Career/Fetish for each group + extra points in comments

[pronossstat]

I have voted for: Like last year, with different polls for Attractiveness/Anal/Career/Fetish for each group + extra points in comments

Thanks! Let me remind you still didn't vote in this poll

[plajvaz]

Thanks! Let me remind you still didn't vote in this poll

I have voted now.

[error01x]

Wow, what a post and what a project!

What to say?
For me it's a bit difficult to vote for Goldie and/or Henessy because they were not DAP-able at all and never even tried to do it. I think at least 1 DAP in 1 position or at least 1 DAPattempt in 2 failed positions is the minimum entry of a porn poll today.
1 DAP in my definition is minimum both dickheads inside for minimum 1min. 1 DAPattempt is both dickheads trying to enter the girls ass, but popping out for various reasons, they try at least in 2 positions for a reasonable time adding up to 30-60 or more seconds.
Anyway, on the other at their time Goldie and Henessy were very popular, thats true.

Henessy had one DAP

[error01x]

What are last years results?

[pronossstat]

What are last years results?

If you are talking about the whole tournament, results are in first post

[error01x]

ah i thought that are the actual results thx

[M_sicas_Candido]

I think one poll per group simplifies the process. And eventually, if there are ties, I trust your statistical criteria to resolve them.

[plajvaz]

If there is only one poll, voters usually vote based on attractiveness rather than anal skills or other criteria (deepthroat, piss, fisting, etc).

I think more polls will give more valid results.

Maybe some polls can be removed (career, for example) or included in main poll, but I think that we should keep different polls focused on different skills.

[M_sicas_Candido]

My evaluation criteria rarely involve attractiveness as the main consideration - for God's sake, we're evaluating professional artists, not a girl to stroll or to dinner with. No romanticism.

My scale based on the most relevant questions:

1- Number of DAPs in career
2- Number of scenes in good AVLP studios - GIO, Yummy, NRX, Natasha Teen, Mambo, OB...
3- Enthusiasm in front of the cameras
4- Number of TAPs (to break ties)