Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby mydirtydigs151 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:21 pm

Other than in totality, piracy has never been proven to be a problem towards profit in any media.

As a matter of historical, commercial fact: piracy has helped sales in many cases, as people tend to view/listen to something and then purchase the film etc., if they really enjoy it or is collector worthy.

An example is: cassette tapes and radio.
All that taping of songs was technically 'illegal', but people still bought the albums they liked because of the exposure and/or because of the cover art.

Some of the early studios that later became the biggest labels and/or took over in Hollywood, were considered to be 'pirates' in the times.

Many classic, unusual, cult films, records and books etc., that are now out of print, can only be found via 'piracy' means.

I wouldn't have a decent Swedish Erotica, Magma, Teeny Exzeese etc., collection if it wasn't for pirating... But I've never personally been the Uploader of any.

Another example when 'pirating' is acceptable in my books:
For some reason due to modern technology, it's often a common occurrence to have a tv show bug out, or not record because of a storm somewhere, or someone getting the big bucks flicked the wrong programming switch... if the show is not available on-demand... well, I've already 'paid' to view it... so.
I have cd's that have been damaged/scratched which are out of print and the only way to get another is to pay outrageous collector prices or to pirate a discography... yet again, I've already invested in them.

The Grateful Dead were famous for allowing recording/sharing of their shows... it didn't cut into sales, nor the funds to produce other works at all.

There are a few big corporations/companies who own 'legit' porn-sharing sites that have edited scenes from others... many of those scenes may or may not be legitimately uploaded or legally shared. It seems that everyone is guilty.

I really don't think it's 'pirating' that is the issue, but what causes it in a money orientated/power over others-based world. Fascism/classism and the inequities that is created because of it, is the real problem.
Unfortunately, the contemporary religion of the times is The Economy. Manufactured 'scarcity' when there is no actual natural scarcity is a big problem and is a sociopathic tool used to manipulate and keep people in a perpetual state of fear (which is what terrorism really is).
The Economy is full blown social Orwellian Totalitarianism and is constantly bombarding people with the fear that: if they don't make enough money; in the very system that is repressing them, they get left out or behind. But ironically, by buying into the the game, it creates even more 'soft slavery' and bigotry and world problems.
People buy expensive shit even when it is awful because it gives them the illusion of accomplishment and status, even when it is fuelling all the bullshit.
As Mussolini said in his Fascist Doctrine: "Fascism will be the religion of the future"... and here we are. It's very fashionable you know. People now willingly branding themselves with it.

Porn used to be scarcely available and one had to know where to go to find it... so it was very expensive to acquire.
When I worked in adults stores peddling porn and selling dildos... it started to become more mainstream via those specialty stores and the prices drastically reduced.
Now it's highly accessible via the internet and yet, the costs of viewing have increasingly gotten out of hand. This goes completely against the natural supply and demand formula.
I know, know (based on our outdated and obsolete, inequitable wealth-system) people have to "make a living", but that's all part of the toxicity and is not the answer to a healthy and stronger human condition. It's just acknowledging the system is just a modern form of slavery.

It may have been way-back-when, but even Jimi Hendrix said that paying $1 was too much money to see him an/or to attend a full festival... even if one takes inflation into consideration (approx $20 today), that would still a relatively acceptable amount to pay to see a concert... and still too much according to Hendrix...
But I'm sure not going to pay $100+ to see a multi-millionaire, especially just to play for 45 minutes.
Basically, a collective mental illness and mass-delusion is what's going on.

It's the Zeitgeist of the perverse, consumer-based system of the Haves and Have-nots, bigoted insanity, that humans seem to have no will and/or intelligence to evolve past...
Especially considering it's the Have-nots who do most of the work and recycle most of the wealth back into the financial system as a whole-world entity and yet reap little benefit or health for all their hard work or contributions... shit like that leads to the reasons for piracy.

Maybe those who are involved with the media industries should stop supporting the money-based political systems that are designed to repress people and perpetuate a state of feeling like one is left-out to 'motivate' them. Maybe then, the sex industry will return back to being an art and represent a healthy fantasy lifestyle, instead of just another form of exploitation taking advantage of people's insecurities.
It's as if: instead of people learning to fight against the Orwellian future, we instead invested in their our own slavery and demise, believing in the illusion and mass-delusion we are 'stronger' because we've earned the luxury of being wilfully ignorant to what is really going on.

Anyways, as I stated: It's not piracy in-of-itself that is a problem, but what causes it.

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby netzerkaiser » Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:56 pm

mydirtydigs151 wrote:Other than in totality, piracy has never been proven to be a problem towards profit in any media.

As a matter of historical, commercial fact: piracy has helped sales in many cases, as people tend to view/listen to something and then purchase the film etc., if they really enjoy it or is collector worthy.

An example is: cassette tapes and radio.
All that taping of songs was technically 'illegal', but people still bought the albums they liked because of the exposure and/or because of the cover art.

Some of the early studios that later became the biggest labels and/or took over in Hollywood, were considered to be 'pirates' in the times.

Many classic, unusual, cult films, records and books etc., that are now out of print, can only be found via 'piracy' means.

I wouldn't have a decent Swedish Erotica, Magma, Teeny Exzeese etc., collection if it wasn't for pirating... But I've never personally been the Uploader of any.

Another example when 'pirating' is acceptable in my books:
For some reason due to modern technology, it's often a common occurrence to have a tv show bug out, or not record because of a storm somewhere, or someone getting the big bucks flicked the wrong programming switch... if the show is not available on-demand... well, I've already 'paid' to view it... so.
I have cd's that have been damaged/scratched which are out of print and the only way to get another is to pay outrageous collector prices or to pirate a discography... yet again, I've already invested in them.

The Grateful Dead were famous for allowing recording/sharing of their shows... it didn't cut into sales, nor the funds to produce other works at all.

There are a few big corporations/companies who own 'legit' porn-sharing sites that have edited scenes from others... many of those scenes may or may not be legitimately uploaded or legally shared. It seems that everyone is guilty.

I really don't think it's 'pirating' that is the issue, but what causes it in a money orientated/power over others-based world. Fascism/classism and the inequities that is created because of it, is the real problem.
Unfortunately, the contemporary religion of the times is The Economy. Manufactured 'scarcity' when there is no actual natural scarcity is a big problem and is a sociopathic tool used to manipulate and keep people in a perpetual state of fear (which is what terrorism really is).
The Economy is full blown social Orwellian Totalitarianism and is constantly bombarding people with the fear that: if they don't make enough money; in the very system that is repressing them, they get left out or behind. But ironically, by buying into the the game, it creates even more 'soft slavery' and bigotry and world problems.
People buy expensive shit even when it is awful because it gives them the illusion of accomplishment and status, even when it is fuelling all the bullshit.
As Mussolini said in his Fascist Doctrine: "Fascism will be the religion of the future"... and here we are. It's very fashionable you know. People now willingly branding themselves with it.

Porn used to be scarcely available and one had to know where to go to find it... so it was very expensive to acquire.
When I worked in adults stores peddling porn and selling dildos... it started to become more mainstream via those specialty stores and the prices drastically reduced.
Now it's highly accessible via the internet and yet, the costs of viewing have increasingly gotten out of hand. This goes completely against the natural supply and demand formula.
I know, know (based on our outdated and obsolete, inequitable wealth-system) people have to "make a living", but that's all part of the toxicity and is not the answer to a healthy and stronger human condition. It's just acknowledging the system is just a modern form of slavery.

It may have been way-back-when, but even Jimi Hendrix said that paying $1 was too much money to see him an/or to attend a full festival... even if one takes inflation into consideration (approx $20 today), that would still a relatively acceptable amount to pay to see a concert... and still too much according to Hendrix...
But I'm sure not going to pay $100+ to see a multi-millionaire, especially just to play for 45 minutes.
Basically, a collective mental illness and mass-delusion is what's going on.

It's the Zeitgeist of the perverse, consumer-based system of the Haves and Have-nots, bigoted insanity, that humans seem to have no will and/or intelligence to evolve past...
Especially considering it's the Have-nots who do most of the work and recycle most of the wealth back into the financial system as a whole-world entity and yet reap little benefit or health for all their hard work or contributions... shit like that leads to the reasons for piracy.

Maybe those who are involved with the media industries should stop supporting the money-based political systems that are designed to repress people and perpetuate a state of feeling like one is left-out to 'motivate' them. Maybe then, the sex industry will return back to being an art and represent a healthy fantasy lifestyle, instead of just another form of exploitation taking advantage of people's insecurities.
It's as if: instead of people learning to fight against the Orwellian future, we instead invested in their our own slavery and demise, believing in the illusion and mass-delusion we are 'stronger' because we've earned the luxury of being wilfully ignorant to what is really going on.

Anyways, as I stated: It's not piracy in-of-itself that is a problem, but what causes it.


To yourself & Sumacs, great posts. I agree.

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby sumacs3 » Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:34 am

mydirtydigs151 [condensed] wrote:Other than in totality, piracy has never been proven to be a problem towards profit in any media. Unfortunately, the religion of the times is The Economy. The Economy is bombarding people with the fear that: if they don't make enough money; in the very system that is repressing them, they get left out or behind. People buy expensive shit even when it is awful because it gives them the illusion of accomplishment and status, even when it is fuelling all the bullshit.

Mussolini: "Fascism will be the religion of the future" and here we are. . . .even Jimi Hendrix said that paying $1 was too much money to see him an/or to attend a full festival. . . It's the Zeitgeist of the perverse, consumer-based system of the Haves and Have-nots, bigoted insanity, that humans seem to have no will and/or intelligence to evolve past...

Thanks for the big picture, mydirtydigs151!

I must be an outlier, but I had this perspective when I was gleefully trying to catch grasshoppers in an overgrown vacant lot at the age of 5 in the Leave It To Beaver days. The exploration of Nature was all I needed to be happy. Everything else that followed--school, employment, relationships (I skipped the relationships)--were all things that seemed to interfere with happiness and also needlessly complicated one's life. To me, social status did not register on my radar. I was surrounded and overwhelmed already by the beauty and mystery of the universe.

Confucius said: Life is really simple. But men insist on making it complicated.

My favorite neighbors were trees. I did not wish to limit myself to the human species and some meaningless temporary quest for glory. None of our so-called achievements can compare one iota to the fact of existence itself. We are totally dependent on the laws of the universe and any achievements are almost negligible increments of self-improvement.

Back in 1965 when the beautiful convertible red Corvettes arrived on the scene, I saw a guy in his 50's with a woman in her 30's drive past in one of them. My thought was not. "Oh, I wish I was like him. He has it made." My thought was, "What are those two trying to prove?"

On graduation day in Grade 6, I looked around the classroom and basically thought, "This is the motley crew that is going to lead the world some day?"

Thoreau said, "for my greatest skill has been to want but little."

But he had a good amount of something else: A strong awareness of his place in the vast universe.

I took biology at university in part because I loved to explore the woods. When I got my two degrees in other people's thinking, I skipped the road to professorhood and the status that would follow and instead went back to the woods. I have worked a few odd jobs and don't need the fancy trimmngs. I admit I just kind of laugh at how meaninglessly materialistic so many people are.

But a large part of that is that they may not think there are any alternatives.

"You can either keep up appearances or keep up disappearances." (sumacs3)

With regard to Jimi Hendrix, I have often taken a keyboard with six rechargeable AA batteries and played "for free" on hillsides at local parks. it was just something to do, like walking a dog "for free." I liked to play melodious music from the 60's and 70's. This is just anecdotal, but young people sometimes danced to songs I played like "Pretty Woman" and "Kind of A Drag." Some really happy songs included "A Place in the Sun," "For Once In My Life" and "My Baby Loves Lovin'." It has also been fun to chat with people of all ages out there on the open hillsides and sometimes with a beautiful sunset on the horizon.

Once you have carved out your own life, it becomes very obvious that most of us do not really think for ourselves to the degree we think we do.

One interesting aspect that has appeared recently at tube sites is the offer of a free lower-resolution version of a video, along with an ad for the original site that produced the video. This is a good advance for those worried about endless piracy. And as you have suggested, mydirtydigs151, there is no question that tube sites have introduced me to models and videos I have been happy to pay for. Thank you.

Oh the Games People Play Now,
Every night and every day now,
Never meaning what they say now,
And never saying what they mean.

Joe South 1968

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby netzerkaiser » Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:07 pm

sumacs3 wrote:
mydirtydigs151 [condensed] wrote:Other than in totality, piracy has never been proven to be a problem towards profit in any media. Unfortunately, the religion of the times is The Economy. The Economy is bombarding people with the fear that: if they don't make enough money; in the very system that is repressing them, they get left out or behind. People buy expensive shit even when it is awful because it gives them the illusion of accomplishment and status, even when it is fuelling all the bullshit.

Mussolini: "Fascism will be the religion of the future" and here we are. . . .even Jimi Hendrix said that paying $1 was too much money to see him an/or to attend a full festival. . . It's the Zeitgeist of the perverse, consumer-based system of the Haves and Have-nots, bigoted insanity, that humans seem to have no will and/or intelligence to evolve past...

Thanks for the big picture, mydirtydigs151!

I must be an outlier, but I had this perspective when I was gleefully trying to catch grasshoppers in an overgrown vacant lot at the age of 5 in the Leave It To Beaver days. The exploration of Nature was all I needed to be happy. Everything else that followed--school, employment, relationships (I skipped the relationships)--were all things that seemed to interfere with happiness and also needlessly complicated one's life. To me, social status did not register on my radar. I was surrounded and overwhelmed already by the beauty and mystery of the universe.

Confucius said: Life is really simple. But men insist on making it complicated.

My favorite neighbors were trees. I did not wish to limit myself to the human species and some meaningless temporary quest for glory. None of our so-called achievements can compare one iota to the fact of existence itself. We are totally dependent on the laws of the universe and any achievements are almost negligible increments of self-improvement.

Back in 1965 when the beautiful convertible red Corvettes arrived on the scene, I saw a guy in his 50's with a woman in her 30's drive past in one of them. My thought was not. "Oh, I wish I was like him. He has it made." My thought was, "What are those two trying to prove?"

On graduation day in Grade 6, I looked around the classroom and basically thought, "This is the motley crew that is going to lead the world some day?"

Thoreau said, "for my greatest skill has been to want but little."

But he had a good amount of something else: A strong awareness of his place in the vast universe.

I took biology at university in part because I loved to explore the woods. When I got my two degrees in other people's thinking, I skipped the road to professorhood and the status that would follow and instead went back to the woods. I have worked a few odd jobs and don't need the fancy trimmngs. I admit I just kind of laugh at how meaninglessly materialistic so many people are.

But a large part of that is that they may not think there are any alternatives.

"You can either keep up appearances or keep up disappearances." (sumacs3)

With regard to Jimi Hendrix, I have often taken a keyboard with six rechargeable AA batteries and played "for free" on hillsides at local parks. it was just something to do, like walking a dog "for free." I liked to play melodious music from the 60's and 70's. This is just anecdotal, but young people sometimes danced to songs I played like "Pretty Woman" and "Kind of A Drag." Some really happy songs included "A Place in the Sun," "For Once In My Life" and "My Baby Loves Lovin'." It has also been fun to chat with people of all ages out there on the open hillsides and sometimes with a beautiful sunset on the horizon.

Once you have carved out your own life, it becomes very obvious that most of us do not really think for ourselves to the degree we think we do.

One interesting aspect that has appeared recently at tube sites is the offer of a free lower-resolution version of a video, along with an ad for the original site that produced the video. This is a good advance for those worried about endless piracy. And as you have suggested, mydirtydigs151, there is no question that tube sites have introduced me to models and videos I have been happy to pay for. Thank you.

Oh the Games People Play Now,
Every night and every day now,
Never meaning what they say now,
And never saying what they mean.

Joe South 1968


Great story Sumacs.

I bet you remember Alan Wilson of Canned Heat who died sleeping out under his beloved ancient Californian trees.

So much wisdom in your post.

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby sumacs3 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:02 pm

netzerkaiser wrote:Great story Sumacs.

I bet you remember Alan Wilson of Canned Heat who died sleeping out under his beloved ancient Californian trees.

Thanks, netzerkaiser. Glad you like. I did not know anything about Alan, but of course had heard his voice.

Wiki: "Wilson communicated with trees and plants better than he did with people."

Another good related song from that era was "Out In The Country," by Three Dog Night.

With regard to Piracy and Copyright Law, we need to look deeper and consider the foundational purpose of written laws themselves, as opposed to the physical laws of the universe. We often forget that many laws are matters of economic profitability and are not necessarily the injunctions of a moral code.

In other words, why is there this particular written law? If the original reasons for the law no longer exist or have lost their importance, then the enforcement or even retention of such a law may be meaningless.

I think there is a certain authoritative weight given to the word law itself, based on the immutability and ubiquity of physical laws, and which makes some porn users' disregard for copyright laws seem at times to be a worse thing than it may really be. If the primary reason for copyright laws is to ensure economic gain for the creators of a work, and if the creators themselves have no longer tried to sell their works, or are no longer even interested in their works, then, so long as the "pirates" don't claim those works as their own creative works, it seems the "law" has no role left to play.

To sum up:

If you break a law, it does not always make you an outlaw.

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby netzerkaiser » Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:21 pm

sumacs3 wrote:
netzerkaiser wrote:Great story Sumacs.

I bet you remember Alan Wilson of Canned Heat who died sleeping out under his beloved ancient Californian trees.

Thanks, netzerkaiser. Glad you like. I did not know anything about Alan, but of course had heard his voice.

Wiki: "Wilson communicated with trees and plants better than he did with people."

Another good related song from that era was "Out In The Country," by Three Dog Night.

With regard to Piracy and Copyright Law, we need to look deeper and consider the foundational purpose of written laws themselves, as opposed to the physical laws of the universe. We often forget that many laws are matters of economic profitability and are not necessarily the injunctions of a moral code.

In other words, why is there this particular written law? If the original reasons for the law no longer exist or have lost their importance, then the enforcement or even retention of such a law may be meaningless.

I think there is a certain authoritative weight given to the word law itself, based on the immutability and ubiquity of physical laws, and which makes some porn users' disregard for copyright laws seem at times to be a worse thing than it may really be. If the primary reason for copyright laws is to ensure economic gain for the creators of a work, and if the creators themselves have no longer tried to sell their works, or are no longer even interested in their works, then, so long as the "pirates" don't claim those works as their own creative works, it seems the "law" has no role left to play.

To sum up:

If you break a law, it does not always make you an outlaw.


Man, you've lived your life, I'm 53 now, I guess you're 70+, still goin' strong, you're just a positive INSPIRATION in dark days for me... peace & love Bro, one day maybe we meet up, who knows...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTCqgk7bfkc

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby sumacs3 » Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:36 pm


A wonderful song. Thank you, netzerkaiser.
When you have to watch a screen to see the worst things, because they are not happening outside your own window, you know you are receiving an unbalanced view. To restore Balance, add some some of the best things to your screen. I think this is one:

godspell2.jpg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekoHxB4idmg
Godspell (1973)

The news and social media present a warped view of the overall world scene, highlighting the worst things and commonly ignoring the best, or glorifying some random humorous incident. In journalism, there is the word "scarehead," a word meaning a scary headline.

The internet is like an amplifier of all extreme things.
Those who are the most vocal often have the least to say.
"It is the empty barrel that rolls the loudest."

Piracy has been enlarged in scope through a new meaning added to the word "stolen." So if someone says their profitable media content was "stolen," they usually mean copied and then distributed online, even though the content creator still has the material! Imagine someone saying their car was "stolen," and the police ask for a description of the car, and the victim says, "My car is in my driveway. Come see for yourself what it looks like."
Yes, it is wrong to plagiarize for profit, but let us not call the content "stolen." If someone steals the computer on which the content was stored, that is stolen content. The loose use of the word "stolen" is another example of overdramatization of an issue. It is almost like someone came into their house and said, "Give me all of your mp4's!"

To stay balanced in a very difficult world, I go back in particular to the years 1965-1975 (favorite 1970), a magical time in the history of rock, and listen again to songs like these I enjoyed as a teen:
(This is not a best song contest, but you got me stimulated, netzerkaiser!)
(Imagine wanting to do your homework because of what was on your desk radio!)

Love Grows (1970) (up to 4K!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSVPtwv264o
Love Train (1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BlkTSKqE_8
Holly Holy (1969-70)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnrTzd5RjgI
Reach Out I'll Be There (1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0B0Kv7hiNo
Beach Baby (1974)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeGPpwFpIAA

While I was playing the keyboard in a local park, the girl in the following video said she was related to Ed Sullivan! I did some research and believe she was. Almost anything is possible. Go for it. Hockey player Gordie Howe played until he was 52 and had 15 goals that season. Ned Overend was a famous mountain biker who still won all-age competitions in his 50's. Here is the girl. Note her last name, which she did not tell me in the park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnRlPl-xfhI

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby netzerkaiser » Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:12 pm

sumacs3 wrote:

A wonderful song. Thank you, netzerkaiser.
When you have to watch a screen to see the worst things, because they are not happening outside your own window, you know you are receiving an unbalanced view. To restore Balance, add some some of the best things to your screen. I think this is one:

godspell2.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekoHxB4idmg
Godspell (1973)

The news and social media present a warped view of the overall world scene, highlighting the worst things and commonly ignoring the best, or glorifying some random humorous incident. In journalism, there is the word "scarehead," a word meaning a scary headline.

The internet is like an amplifier of all extreme things.
Those who are the most vocal often have the least to say.
"It is the empty barrel that rolls the loudest."

Piracy has been enlarged in scope through a new meaning added to the word "stolen." So if someone says their profitable media content was "stolen," they usually mean copied and then distributed online, even though the content creator still has the material! Imagine someone saying their car was "stolen," and the police ask for a description of the car, and the victim says, "My car is in my driveway. Come see for yourself what it looks like."
Yes, it is wrong to plagiarize for profit, but let us not call the content "stolen." If someone steals the computer on which the content was stored, that is stolen content. The loose use of the word "stolen" is another example of overdramatization of an issue. It is almost like someone came into their house and said, "Give me all of your mp4's!"

To stay balanced in a very difficult world, I go back in particular to the years 1965-1975 (favorite 1970), a magical time in the history of rock, and listen again to songs like these I enjoyed as a teen:
(This is not a best song contest, but you got me stimulated, netzerkaiser!)
(Imagine wanting to do your homework because of what was on your desk radio!)

Love Grows (1970) (up to 4K!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSVPtwv264o
Love Train (1972)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BlkTSKqE_8
Holly Holy (1969-70)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnrTzd5RjgI
Reach Out I'll Be There (1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0B0Kv7hiNo
Beach Baby (1974)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeGPpwFpIAA

While I was playing the keyboard in a local park, the girl in the following video said she was related to Ed Sullivan! I did some research and believe she was. Almost anything is possible. Go for it. Hockey player Gordie Howe played until he was 52 and had 15 goals that season. Ned Overend was a famous mountain biker who still won all-age competitions in his 50's. Here is the girl. Note her last name, which she did not tell me in the park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnRlPl-xfhI


I can't readily answer your post without consummating all points you put in there, but I will... & thanks for replying...

I plan a stateside tour over next 2 years, that "great shaggy land" as Thoreau put it... & if so I'll gladly look you up, if we're both safe & well (& members of LP of course)...my issue is I wanna sail over, on a freight ship, & do Canada east to west...

We'll see Brother...

Stay safe friend...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1V1JiHj58I

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby sumacs3 » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:33 pm

netzerkaiser wrote:I plan a stateside tour over next 2 years, that "great shaggy land" as Thoreau put it... & if so I'll gladly look you up, if we're both safe & well (& members of LP of course)...my issue is I wanna sail over, on a freight ship, & do Canada east to west...


Thanks, netzerkaiser. I am pretty much a loner and prefer the sharing of ideas that can enhance people's lives and lifestyles on their own, the way Thoreau did. Thank you also for that song on YouTube, very relevant. I do have one friend, and he, although in his 20's, sometimes has introduced me to music from 1970 that I have not heard of before! Thanks again.

With further regard to piracy, how about the situation where I have audio tapes of NHL hockey games recorded in the 1960s and 1970s, and the original broadcasts were never archived by the broadcasters? Even if it is wrong to be a pirate, imagine if a valuable broadcast archived by the original broadcasters was lost in a fire, and the pirate generously donated his copy!

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby brian6902 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:26 am

If there's no legitimate way to get something, I don't see any issue with piracy.

For instance, as far as I'm aware, there's no legitimate way to get the original Max Hardcore videos, except potentially hunting down an old, overpriced physical DVD. The current Max Hardcore website is absolutely abysmal. It's an incomplete library, the videos they do have are heavily cut down to like 10 minutes, and there's no official way to download (other than using "inspect element" in your browser).

In a non-porn example, I wanted to check out an old video game, and found out the original developer went out of business, and the rights for the game were transferred to a new publisher, and that publisher was no longer publishing the game. Even if I jumped through 20 hoops to pay somebody money for that game, none of it would've gone to the people who originally worked on it.


Obviously, if there's a legitimate non-pirating way to get something, the same argument doesn't apply.

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby sumacs3 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:02 am

brian6902 wrote:If there's no legitimate way to get something, I don't see any issue with piracy.

. . . The current Max Hardcore website is absolutely abysmal. It's an incomplete library, the videos they do have are heavily cut down to like 10 minutes, and there's no official way to download (other than using "inspect element" in your browser). In a non-porn example, I wanted to check out an old video game, and found out the original developer went out of business, and the rights for the game were transferred to a new publisher, and that publisher was no longer publishing the game. Even if I jumped through 20 hoops to pay somebody money for that game, none of it would've gone to the people who originally worked on it.
Obviously, if there's a legitimate non-pirating way to get something, the same argument doesn't apply.


Thanks, brian6902. It is as if you are the only person left to see the true value of that old video game. With regard to porn, I did download a 50 min-plus version of a FrankWank scene that was reduced to about a 20 min version on the corresponding DVD. It was the one he did with Bella-Marie Wolfe. I did buy the DVD, and subsequently discovered the long version at an unmentionable site. Of course the FrankWank site is defunct.

Perhaps in some instances, a pirate can be thought of as a historian.

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Re: Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

Postby netzerkaiser » Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:14 pm

Perhaps in some instances, a pirate can be thought of as a historian.[/quote]

Genius line, Sumacs. I love it.

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