What’s with the crazy price increases the last few days?

[dap-addict]

The old conversion from USD to TKT was too low. If I take today's best selling scene for example, from Angelo, at 13,9 tkt, he actually asked to sell it at... $15.45. Many of you will actually still end up paying quite a bit less than what he actually wanted.

Now this explains more, thanks!
Looks like Angelo needs to sell this scene 500 times to break even plus-minus. I wish him luck! I wish him actually to get a double return of investment!
Me, I could actually get it for about 10$ value with tkts I see. If everybody was on subscription like me, Angelo has to sell it about 700 times minimum. Its a hard business and sure nobody expects Angelo to film or his wife to perform for free.

At the same time its a trial and error. If price is so high users get more picky.
And please, xxx, consider some loyalty bonus like cheaper tkt recharge or something for heavy consuming long term LP subscribers and Pornbox members, will you finally?

[Starrio]

when you consider there are full memberships with thousands of vids for the same price. I think everyone needs to realize that their prices have gotten out of control and it is alienating their customer base

That is 100% correct.

I would like to get rid of the TKT system and use real prices instead but if it was to produce for example a 20% decrease in sales it would be the death of several studios.

If it discourages the costumer base with higher prices because of the conversion, then it will alienate many of them.

[sexaddict251]

20% Discount to Tokens, That's a problem, token price will become different for different users. There is one way to fix that, my suggestion,

30 days Subscription (+42 Tokens) - 27€

90+20 days Subscription (+126 Tokens) - 81€

6 months + 45 days Subscription (+252 Tokens) - 162€

1 Year + 90 days Subscription (+504 Tokens) - 324€

Reoccurring Subscription plans, this will fix the price of Tokens

[sexaddict251]

Forgot to add additional tickets price.

14 Tickets - (14€ - 5€ Discount) = 9€

28 Tickets - (28€ - 10€ Discount) = 18€

56 Tickets - (56€ - 20€ Discount) = 36€

112 Tickets - (112€ - 40€ Discount) = 72€

Same old price, still it will appear as you are giving them discounts, it's a marketing trick, you put a high MRP (maximum retail price) on peice tag, then give a discount, people are happy, you are happy

[sexaddict251]

You can reduce the price of every movies 10% if you follow this method. (Same old 20% discount on tickets, i calculated from 13.9 : 15.45 ratio)

[dap-addict]

20% Discount to Tokens, That's a problem, token price will become different for different users. There is one way to fix that, my suggestion,

20% discount is not a problem, but the Pornbox way of rewarding loyal subscribing users. Problem is rather that tokens for this group of loyal users are not enough discounted to make subscribers feel rewarded.
And keep in mind we have users here subscribing nonstop for 7-10 years already!

[sexaddict251]

Rewarding Tokens will cause for fluctuations in ticket price. When you buy additional tickets you get 20% discount, this will reduce Tokens price 20%(for analvids.com). Rewarding shouldn't affect token price, you can reward additional days,

[elfriede]

I am one of these subscribers for years.
But now I am thinking seriously to cancel my membership.
I pay 70€ for 3 month subscription and get now maybe 12 scenes at these prices nowadays, that is in my opinion not enough.
Currently I will notice the situation (my subscription ends in June) and then I will decide what I do.

[netzerkaiser]

[quote="Starrio"]I'm a married man since recently, but I still like to support because I enjoy knowing my money helps these honeys to keep getting their ass fucked, but with high prices it is easy to just stay with the old school stuff, and the new scenes that are not so overpriced.

Congratulations Brother. I wish you & your wife a lifetime of happiness & peace.

[YumYum74]

That's all well and good, but my question remains. What will/can be done about the fact that tickets have lost around 25-35% of their value overnight? No announcement (if there had been I wouldn't have recharged as I would normally do), no explanation (except for the posts here AFTER I started this topic). Seriously, it's hard not to feel cheated here. Maybe I'm being naive here, but I truly expected better towards your loyal customers.

[dap-addict]

Maybe I'm being naive here, but I truly expected better towards your loyal customers.

+ 1

[netzerkaiser]

Lets not be disingenuous here. Lets be realistic.

Theres a choice here: keep the prices real

or

Let them go up & conduct a genuine offensive (surely the tracking technology is there?) on those members who download scenes & then upload them to 'pirate' sites.

Because as sure as night follows day, people will just go pirate if they feel they can't be paying 10 tickets for something they'd gladly pay 4 tickets for. These people who'll pay 4 tickets just to support an industry really really do need to be valued.

So many people are here, & this is why I like this site... that might think they're odd, they might think they're outsiders to everyday society... but they're genuine people who feel it a moral duty to support an industry.

These people need to be valued. You all deserve to be valued.

[dap-addict]

So many people are here, & this is why I like this site... that might think they're odd, they might think they're outsiders to everyday society... but they're genuine people who feel it a moral duty to support an industry.

I get the impression - at least since Giorgio Grandi doenst discuss in forum anymore - that crew behind Pornbox doenst realize the potential of this forum and the loyalty created here.
Its a bunch or consumers - let it be a few 100 - who really do actually care about ppl working in porn treated and payed fair and who are willing to pay for this. Still more and more directors and decision makers seem to look down on us. Or at least to treat us exactly the same like fly-by consumers with no product loyalty at all. Maybe we are just too few?

[netzerkaiser]

So many people are here, & this is why I like this site... that might think they're odd, they might think they're outsiders to everyday society... but they're genuine people who feel it a moral duty to support an industry.

I get the impression - at least since Giorgio Grandi doenst discuss in forum anymore - that crew behind Pornbox doenst realize the potential of this forum and the loyalty created here.
Its a bunch or consumers - let it be a few 100 - who really do actually care about ppl working in porn treated and payed fair and who are willing to pay for this. Still more and more directors and decision makers seem to look down on us. Or at least to treat us exactly the same like fly-by consumers with no product loyalty at all. Maybe we are just too few?

I respect you greatly, you've courage & integrity. I also respect XXX whose interaction was once memorably described by one good chap to another as causing him to be a 'victim of a dive-by shooting'. XXX has shown greatness in his interactions in recent weeks.

I hope this issue is resolved... you're all fine people... & fair play to Yumyum74 for having balls to open thread.

I wish the site 'onwards & upwards'. Anyway I'm off to bed. Two hours R'n'R, sleep, then shift starts again.

Keep the Faith.



Thanks DAPAddict.

[dap-addict]

Btw, there was a time maybe 7y ago or so when with each scene was displayed how many downloads it had. It soon disappeared and I can understand why on one hand, but on the other hand if we knew more or less how many of these scenes sell we sure would accept - well heralded - price rises.
Price rises of 30-35% just all of a sudden just had to lead to turmoil!
And being kept in a rosy cloud with users believing every scene was selling 10'000 times or even more we tend to think the end of fairness had come now, ofc.

[avanfurwet]

Me eating popcorn, while I continue to enjoy new scenes at roughly 17 cents each at Brazzers. lol

I guess people can go watch scenes at that site if they want. They would have to watch a lot to get the unit price down to 17c each. Does anyone actually like their scenes enough to watch so many of them? Or do they pay their subscriptions and hope to find a couple or a few "keepers" each month?

[avanfurwet]

Btw, there was a time maybe 7y ago or so when with each scene was displayed how many downloads it had. It soon disappeared and I can understand why on one hand, but on the other hand if we knew more or less how many of these scenes sell we sure would accept - well heralded - price rises.
Price rises of 30-35% just all of a sudden just had to lead to turmoil!
And being kept in a rosy cloud with users believing every scene was selling 10'000 times or even more we tend to think the end of fairness had come now, ofc.

The "analvids" tour site still shows number of "views". Whatever a "view" is? I don't know.

[avanfurwet]

Basically we make a conversion from the USD price content creators set in their admins, to TKT, so that they get roughly the value they asked for each sale. It's an impossible exercise because the Porn Box tkt prices are all over the place. But it is our job to try and make it as close as possible.

The old conversion from USD to TKT was too low. If I take today's best selling scene for example, from Angelo, at 13,9 tkt, he actually asked to sell it at... $15.45. Many of you will actually still end up paying quite a bit less than what he actually wanted.

Even then I think these prices are insane (but not as insane as what we see in typical clip stores), when you consider there are full memberships with thousands of vids for the same price. I think everyone needs to realize that their prices have gotten out of control and it is alienating their customer base (especially when you release relatively traditional content - small specialty content actually requires higher prices to exist).

I would like to get rid of the TKT system and use real prices instead but if it was to produce for example a 20% decrease in sales it would be the death of several studios.

If studios are all setting selling prices in USD, then maybe all selling prices for scenes and membership options quoted on Pornbox could also just be priced in USD?

Could Pornbox keep something like the ticket system but recalculate and redefine "tickets" so that in future each "ticket" became valued at USD 1 for purposes of buying power? So a "ticket" would become like a "credit" priced at 1 USD.

That way any variations in each customer's local currency vis-a-vis the USD are handled at the time of the bank or card payment to GTFCharge, typically monthly. Thereafter everything on the Pornbox site stays in USD. 1 credit would always be worth 1 USD.

Pornbox could still offer discounts for volume payments up front, e.g. customers could buy 200 "credits" to spend in future by paying USD 180 (or whatever) today. A monthly subscription might cost (example) USD 18 and buy 20 "credits".

There would need to be a one-off exercise to redefine outstanding tickets owned by customers into "credits" at an exchange rate equating to the USD value of total outstanding tickets. But GTF must already know this value as part of their day-to-day management accounting.

[dap-addict]

The "analvids" tour site

Whats that?
Mobile application only?

[avanfurwet]

The "analvids" tour site

Whats that?
Mobile application only?

Website.

Screenshot_20220412_224106.png (303.31 KiB) Viewed 5729 times

[dap-addict]

On my Safari that webadress is automatically re-directed to pornbox.com

Interesting numbers though with over 60000 views for the Vinna@Vero scene while I still think they need to sell around 600 to reach break even.
Maybe every 100th viewer actually buys this scene in the end?

[dap-addict]

Breaking news: GIO, gonzo and NRX have old prices again today!

[Lightningboy706]

Wouldn’t be so bad if the selection of models was up to what they had around 4 or 5 years ago..the current crop are a bunch of nobodys..where have all the bigger names gone?

[dap-addict]

Breaking news: GIO, gonzo and NRX have old prices again today!

This said, pornbox seems down currently. Managed to buy the NRX DAPbreakin' at 7,99tkt it seems, about 2% cheaper even than before the crazy price hike, but can't do any further shopping currently.
Others with same problem?
Whats going on?

[ayrtight]

^

Same

[ayrtight]

Not sure if I should create a thread about this in the technical forum .

I can wait a little bit longer but I also need to do other things soon . So if this doesn´t get worked out soon I will watch some porn elsewhere ...

[dap-addict]

I wanna buy some more new DAP as long as the price is still so 'low'. I can watch them later this week, but I need that site to work 5-10min to do the porn shopping now.

However, I have the strange feeling that technical problems are linked to yesterdays price hike and todays partly backing. Maybe once Pornbox works again prices are already higher.

[YumYum74]

^

Same

Here as well.

[ayrtight]

Works now

[YumYum74]

Breaking news: GIO, gonzo and NRX have old prices again today!

Ok, these are prices I can and will support (except for Gonzo).
Bought NRX, Angelo, Gio and Gio's Lab to support. Let's see what happens the following days but this at least seems promising.

[pastaga]

That's actually the point :
With less studios and less scenes, sales are more focused and prices can be lower.
With a lot of studios it's becoming like MV...
I miss the old Legalporno with just two studios. Or at least it would be cool with like no more than 3-4 releases a day, from selected studios.
Open another website for other content creators. And oly the one who shoot different models with good quality and top sales could get a place on LP.

[drevokocur66]

Me eating popcorn, while I continue to enjoy new scenes at roughly 17 cents each at Brazzers. lol

I would re-subscribe to Brazzers, but there is sooo little anal content there.

[drevokocur66]

I am one of these subscribers for years.
But now I am thinking seriously to cancel my membership.
I pay 70€ for 3 month subscription and get now maybe 12 scenes at these prices nowadays, that is in my opinion not enough.
Currently I will notice the situation (my subscription ends in June) and then I will decide what I do.

I have been subscriber for years as well, and cancelled only during the no more piss videos era, or when I hit around 300 tix. I am happy to support the site with my subscription. The scene cost is all the same to me, 8tix, 10tix, I buy what my tickets allow me to buy. I am currently sitting on 115 tix, and buy scenes with content I want to support. Fortunately, with all the fake creampies, tip fucking, spit-n-spill specials, circus sex, fake tags and other movie-magic bullshit scene fillers, it is easy not spending more tickets than I get. There very few scenes I HAVE to have. If they start producing scenes I can't wait to see, yeah I can see myself doing a ticket refill(which I have done in the past), but I don't see any danger of that anytime soon.

[jerrybb]

Some great data here.
Time will tell with the crazy prices. If people don't buy the scenes then the price will come down.
I am happy for a price from 4 tickets to 8.5.
You can subscribe to an American site for about $20 dollars a
Month and have access to all the videos. We know it's not as good as LP but LP have to be realistic.
With the cost of living crisis in Europe and the War in Ukraine then there will be a plentiful of beautiful babes wanting to make scenes and they won't expect top dollar price because they will need the money.

[Giorgio Grandi]

2 cents.

Today I released GL660 at 7tkt. Lets suppose, with this price, the scene will maybe generate a decent profit.
Now, just for a second, lets suppose I release the same scene at 3.5tkt, what is the consequential deduction?
To reach the same decent profit, the scene needs to make double sales.

Now the question, if I cut the price in tkt in half, will I be able to make double sales?
Gentlemen, I can even try to do this for some scene, if the profit will be even 15% lover, I am happy to keep cutting the price in half.

This is a topic I have been dealing for years, for most of customers porn is an emotional purchase. I have been running websites in the past and my experience tells me 50% of customers, after they bought a membership, are downloading 2-3 scenes only. Most of other 50% download few scenes more. Overall, an average customer, download in average 6-8 scenes with a membership and keep rebilling hoping 1-2 scenes will be as he wish. There are few that download all the catalog available in the website, just occupying bandwidth and without to even watch all the content and than cancel (for came back some months after to download all the updates)

The point is not the price of the scene, the main problem is the production cost. If you think inflation changed your life, well as a production I can tell you inflation on porn skyrocket. There is a base of "good selling models" with a reasonable price and a new wave of new faces with unreasonable price. Yesterday a relatively new model asked me 3 time the price of Veronica Leal for a DAP. I turned her down for now, hoping she will makeup her mind about a reasonable price.

[avanfurwet]

Wouldn’t be so bad if the selection of models was up to what they had around 4 or 5 years ago..the current crop are a bunch of nobodys..where have all the bigger names gone?

I also enjoyed some of the models from 4/5 years ago. And I enjoy some of the current crop of models.

I think there are some real beauties currently shooting for some of the studios here.

None of which is relevant to this thread about a sudden price hike.

[avanfurwet]

That's actually the point :
With less studios and less scenes, sales are more focused and prices can be lower.
With a lot of studios it's becoming like MV...
I miss the old Legalporno with just two studios. Or at least it would be cool with like no more than 3-4 releases a day, from selected studios.
Open another website for other content creators. And oly the one who shoot different models with good quality and top sales could get a place on LP.

LP is no more. I agree that Pornbox is a much bigger and less focussed clipstore. But you can customise it to show just the studios you want to follow.

Why do you think that some studios (e.g. Grandi, Gonzo) would sell better on a separate platform, or that the studios would charge lower prices?

[avanfurwet]

2 cents.

Today I released GL660 at 7tkt. Lets suppose, with this price, the scene will maybe generate a decent profit.
Now, just for a second, lets suppose I release the same scene at 3.5tkt, what is the consequential deduction?
To reach the same decent profit, the scene needs to make double sales.

Now the question, if I cut the price in tkt in half, will I be able to make double sales?
Gentlemen, I can even try to do this for some scene, if the profit will be even 15% lover, I am happy to keep cutting the price in half.

This is a topic I have been dealing for years, for most of customers porn is an emotional purchase. I have been running websites in the past and my experience tells me 50% of customers, after they bought a membership, are downloading 2-3 scenes only. Most of other 50% download few scenes more. Overall, an average customer, download in average 6-8 scenes with a membership and keep rebilling hoping 1-2 scenes will be as he wish. There are few that download all the catalog available in the website, just occupying bandwidth and without to even watch all the content and than cancel (for came back some months after to download all the updates)

The point is not the price of the scene, the main problem is the production cost. If you think inflation changed your life, well as a production I can tell you inflation on porn skyrocket. There is a base of "good selling models" with a reasonable price and a new wave of new faces with unreasonable price. Yesterday a relatively new model asked me 3 time the price of Veronica Leal for a DAP. I turned her down for now, hoping she will makeup her mind about a reasonable price.

But, this topic is not about asking studios to take a scene which sells for 7 tkt and sell it for half-price.

Nor is it about newbie models asking for crazy money, which you (rightly) will not pay.

Nor is it about subscription website businesses (which have been unable to increase their prices for years) when the question is about scenes which are priced individually on Pornbox.

It's about studios apparently taking scenes which sold for 7 or 8 tkts a couple of days ago ago and suddenly pricing similar latest releases at 10 or 11 tkts.

Customers don't understand why.

[antiochethereal]

Some of it is also quite greedy in and of itself. One example being the Daniel Dent videoes released here fairly regularly... they cost 4.95 TKT which amounts to around the same in Euros for me. So 6 movies would cost around 30€ which is also the main sites subscription price(closer to 33€ but still). I just went there and signed up so now I am downloading my 30th... 30TH!! scene for the price of six here, and I am not done combing the site for the ones I've missed since last being a member x) I just saved myself 150€ boiz up until my last scene it will be more along the lines of 300€ I bet. Just ridiculous.

[sexaddict251]

2 cents.

Today I released GL660 at 7tkt. Lets suppose, with this price, the scene will maybe generate a decent profit.
Now, just for a second, lets suppose I release the same scene at 3.5tkt, what is the consequential deduction?
To reach the same decent profit, the scene needs to make double sales.

Now the question, if I cut the price in tkt in half, will I be able to make double sales?
Gentlemen, I can even try to do this for some scene, if the profit will be even 15% lover, I am happy to keep cutting the price in half.

This is a topic I have been dealing for years, for most of customers porn is an emotional purchase. I have been running websites in the past and my experience tells me 50% of customers, after they bought a membership, are downloading 2-3 scenes only. Most of other 50% download few scenes more. Overall, an average customer, download in average 6-8 scenes with a membership and keep rebilling hoping 1-2 scenes will be as he wish. There are few that download all the catalog available in the website, just occupying bandwidth and without to even watch all the content and than cancel (for came back some months after to download all the updates)

The point is not the price of the scene, the main problem is the production cost. If you think inflation changed your life, well as a production I can tell you inflation on porn skyrocket. There is a base of "good selling models" with a reasonable price and a new wave of new faces with unreasonable price. Yesterday a relatively new model asked me 3 time the price of Veronica Leal for a DAP. I turned her down for now, hoping she will makeup her mind about a reasonable price.

Technology is changing, 25 years ago it was VCR System, after 10 years CD system became trending, within 5 years came DVD, Blu-ray... Now it's Downloading video files, soon it will change, 5G is coming, data speed will be atleast 1Gb/second, for the cheapest price. Cloud storage will become common, everyone can afford fast internet, next stage of pron will be social media porn, platforms like only_fans, only_fans is limited to paying members, if anyone make a website combining goodness of only_fans and [spam] that's going to be the next thing. I would make a website like that if I had money...