Effects of war in Ukraine on Europorn?

[alekseich]

One more thing I didnt think about is OF being closed for Russian girls due to Swift and Paypal sanctions. It will set Russian studios in favorable position like EU studios had before OF options, girls will be more interested to work for them.

Possibly OF will start to accept cryptocurrencies in future, (and still claim their hands are clean)?
Possibly some Russian girls can find trusted partners (relatives or friends) with access to Paypal etc. who can help them out by receiving their OF payments and transmit onwards to Russia in bitcoin or roubles?
I guess the more determined and entrepreneurial girls will always find ways to do business, especially as domestic recession bites down hard inside Russia.
OF was a goldmine for some Russian girls. Without LonelyFans I think there will be a big revival in the old-school "Russian girlfriend" penpal scams.

Little percent of girls will find out ways still to be threre from russia. But bigger percent not, and it is good, beacause some of them will do hardcore instead. Maybe some good newcomers on LP are already went that route

[dap-addict]

If good and sustainable working studios can take them in its a good side-effect actually. Russia already has best teen talent pool and some additional young blood can't harm in Europorn. However so far porn careers in Russia have been very short for willing girls. This might change depending on consumer requests. Users are mainly outside Russia still, so it up to them as well.

[bdsmpretty]

OF closing down in Russia and Belarus is actually good. OF is RUINING porn, want this shit closed forever

I know what you mean. Personally speaking (and others may love it, each to their own) but it leaves me cold. I don't understand it as a genre, and I find it impossible to feel excited at all about the consistently low-fi uninspiring acts and fishtank visuals.

I think the big deal with the camming scene is supposed to be the opportunity to interact. That's the hook for fans.
Remember that the generation that is 'peak porn audience' now (18-40) probably spent their entire early sexual years on MSN messenger and sexting, so that is how their brains will be wired to appreciate porn now.
So subscribing to camming gives them an opportunity to interact with performers within that same format.

I never got into that scene. I was into bands 24/7 right through my teens and twenties (computers bored me) so it means nothing to me as a means of interacting with people. But I know I am an outlier there. Most sexted and messengered.

I do appreciate it from the performers perspective. It's safer, less stressful, far cheaper to particpate in, and the bar to entry is far simpler (you just sign up for an account, no castings, etc). And you are your own boss.
One one positive for fans of regular studio porn may be that women who would never have the confidence to cold-contact approach a studio, can build up their confidence and following on OF and then may feel they want to try studio work.

But back to the top, yes. It looks cheap and shitty and it doesn't turn me on. But if it provides a woman a living they are happy to pursue, then it has a place going on.

Sadly, with the political situation as it is (US wants this conflict to spread and involve as much of northern Europe as possible, and they have said openly their intention is to fuel it - with weapons and funding - for years going on), performers giving up on trying to travel anywhere to shoot and settling for OF may only increase.

As a Cyber Shot fan I feel that one keenly. She's obviously super-talented and super-ambitious and has said on many occasions that she dearly wants to shoot for the big studios in Europe, but is currently limited to nightly shows on BongaCams.
She may feel frustrated with that situation, and I definitely feel frustrated with it. But global power politics etc.

[bdsmpretty]

DAPaddict, you may need to change the thread title to "Effects of war in Ukraine, Moldova and Romania on Europorn".

The US and Moldovian US-friendly politicians have obviously now agred to 'volunteered' Moldova to be the next Euro-Battleground (re Transnistria). See call up:

Moldova call up 30 04 22 - Copy.png (329.06 KiB) Viewed 8567 times

And re Romania, this call up for Moldovan conscripts (sorry guys, Uncle Sam needs you for a body count to justify more sanctions) comes just days after the Moldovan Prime Minister publicly announced that Moldova is not militarily prepared for conflict and so *may* (= this has already been agreed) soon be asking Romania for help on that account.

But European citizens may rest reassured that no official US/UK Military will be harmed in these operations. Or see their territories bombed to dust. So every cloud really does have a silver lining...

Stop. Playing. Yourselves. Europe!

[bdsmpretty]

Typo. "now agred to 'volunteered' Moldova" should read "now agreed to 'volunteer' Moldova".

[dap-addict]

OF closing down in Russia and Belarus is actually good. OF is RUINING porn, want this shit closed forever

I know what you mean. Personally speaking (and others may love it, each to their own) but it leaves me cold. I don't understand it as a genre, and I find it impossible to feel excited at all about the consistently low-fi uninspiring acts and fishtank visuals.

Same to me!
Never subscribed to any OF so far, probably never will.
This said it is still an effect of war in Ukraine and maybe now beyond.
And I just got signs fans sending social media links to girls promoting their OF there get even their forum posts deleted here. I understand real porn biz defending their turnout, but as long as porn studios can't provide girls with enough work they at least should support their other means of income, the more those outside 'Dubai'.

Anyway, generally still dont see a lack of Russian models in EU. New visas are more difficult to come by but its still possible. Also Cyber Shot can get it, question is rather does she really want to.

[avanfurwet]

And I just got signs fans sending social media links to girls promoting their OF there get even their forum posts deleted here. I understand real porn biz defending their turnout, but as long as porn studios can't provide girls with enough work they at least should support their other means of income, the more those outside 'Dubai'.

I agree. Mainstream porn has to find ways co-exist with OF. Like it or not. And it's good that models can work safely with OF and other platforms like PB to sell their own stuff.

[bdsmpretty]

And I just got signs fans sending social media links to girls promoting their OF there get even their forum posts deleted here. I understand real porn biz defending their turnout, but as long as porn studios can't provide girls with enough work they at least should support their other means of income, the more those outside 'Dubai'.

I agree. Mainstream porn has to find ways co-exist with OF. Like it or not. And it's good that models can work safely with OF and other platforms like PB to sell their own stuff.

Re PB being hostile to links to OF performers, I think that's potentially self-defeating.

For example, many performers started on OF and have subsequently progressed to shooting here. Some small scale so far (but all those small sales and fees add up) while other have made a huge impression (huge sales means huge fees).

For example, I am fairly sure Baby Kxtten started off on OF, used that small-scale self-directed format to build up her confidence, skills and following, and then brought all those things top her outstanding performances here.

Has pornbox not profited from that? Of course it has. So a more holistic and open-minded view may better serve re that policy.

And it also needs to be said (my strong impression) that loyal and long-term consumers of pornbox content are probably not going to be satisfied with OF level content (on the whole), just because it falls so far short of what they are used to here.
So the 'risk to business' argument seems unlikely. Though I get the argument that if indulged then it may invite spammers.

[dap-addict]

At this moment most Russian girls stuck inside Russia can make some side-money only with OF. Studios like NRX pay good fees, but they dont shoot as much as to let all those Russian talents they scout work. Also some of them just didnt sell, but they still want to earn money with their body. OF in this case could even re-launch their career.

To get outside Russia and launch a Europorn career needs good connections nowadays more than in the past. Its still possible tough, as main EU adult agencies offers show.

[Jocke]

I have no OF account but in a free world people should be allowed to run an OF business and OF customers of course should have the choice.

I get sad when I read calls for banning different kind of porn outlets. If you don't like it don't buy, but infringing on other peoples right is just the same old right wing propaganda wanting to ban all porn or decide how people should have sex.

Mind your own business!

[Jocke]

bdsmpretty write nonsense as usual.
Moldova need to prepare for Russian aggression, what is the alternative, being raped and slaughtered by Russian forces without fighting back?

We are now in a situation where Ukraine has been able, thanks to support from other democracies, push back the Russian military before they had the chance to flatten all of Ukraine and commit further genocide. With further support, there is a good chance that Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova together can throw out the aggressor. There will be a cost of lives but the alternative is to accept continued Russian aggression from a murderous regime.

[Jocke]

Within a year, Russian economy will approach North Korea's.
Russia do not produce any export goods except weapons and that is now halted as they cannot import the necessary electronics. Russia cannot buy almost any goods from abroad. China is still trading with Russia but soon Russia won't have the possibility to pay. The pipelines to China was already at their limits and it takes decades to build additional capacity. Oil export is already reduced to a fraction and Russia will have to close oil wells in Siberia soon. Those will not be possible to open again when they are frozen. Russia was already poor with a GDP/capita 1/6th of USA. Next year it will have halved. Russia is spending $1billion a day on the war, which means that there are no resources for the society. National air travel will stop in a few months when Russia has run out of spare parts. oil refineries will have to close as the companies servicing and running them already have left. The large shipping companies do not go to Russian harbours or transport Russian goods. Russian ships are not allowed to enter most harbours abroad. If you thought the supply interruptions due to Covid were tough compare that to having lost 90% of your foreign trade. There is a delay as reserves now are being used but they will soon be depleted and regardless of if there is a peace deal, sanctions will be kept to ensure that Russia never again can pose a threat to its neighbours.

If things go well, putin and his gang will be ousted. Russia will be demilitarised. A pro democracy government will be formed. Russia will be helped back to a prosperous future as the former fascist countries Germany and Japan was helped to become shining democracies, but it will take decades.

And we will help Ukraine twice as much as Russia!

[dap-addict]

Please folks, I know its difficult, but:
[quote="dap-addict"]Disclaimer: Please no politics!
No boycott calls!
No anti-Russian and/or anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Western bs.

Just economic and psychological predicaments![/quote

[bdsmpretty]

OF closing down in Russia and Belarus is actually good. OF is RUINING porn, want this shit closed forever

I know what you mean. Personally speaking (and others may love it, each to their own) but it leaves me cold. I don't understand it as a genre, and I find it impossible to feel excited at all about the consistently low-fi uninspiring acts and fishtank visuals.

Same to me!
Never subscribed to any OF so far, probably never will.
This said it is still an effect of war in Ukraine and maybe now beyond.
And I just got signs fans sending social media links to girls promoting their OF there get even their forum posts deleted here. I understand real porn biz defending their turnout, but as long as porn studios can't provide girls with enough work they at least should support their other means of income, the more those outside 'Dubai'.

Anyway, generally still dont see a lack of Russian models in EU. New visas are more difficult to come by but its still possible. Also Cyber Shot can get it, question is rather does she really want to.

Re PB being anti OF, I can't second guess their agenda so this is pure speculation, but my impression is that their increasing intolerance to links to OFs being posted is because they are increasingly trying to absorb 'cam-style content' into the listing here.
For example, the Jewelz Blu content here is basically texbook OF format (may even have originally been filmed and releasedon her OF)
But while Jewelz has a huge international profile and therefore PB see it as viable to release/rerelease her OF-type/originally-OF content here, unless they are going to offer all OF content producers the opportunity to release through PB, then it seems petty (maybe 'pedantic' is a less loaded word) to block links to those OFs models they have no interest in distributing themselves.

Obviously, it's PBs forum and so ultimately their rules. But I think being 'cool' and 'light touch' with moderation with regard to reposted images/tweets/etc of PB/AV models has generally been the way things go here, and it seems to me that the prevailing state of play is that members recognise and value that openness, and so don't (generally) abuse it.

As for Cyber Shot. She recently asked members here who follow her in her telegram to report back here that she doesn't want people to speculate about her career, but rather wait and see. So I don't want to intrude upon that request.
All I will say, in reply to your comment (speculation), is that I feel she was being completely sincere in her IG statement (released just after leaving NRX, see her thread) that she is currently seeking work outside Russia ('Message Ends').
And so - until further notice - I am (as many other devoted Cyber Shot fans here) 'waiting and seeing'... and hoping.

Let it be soon ❤

[bdsmpretty]

Please folks, I know its difficult, but:

Disclaimer: Please no politics!
No boycott calls!
No anti-Russian and/or anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Western bs.

Just economic and psychological predicaments![/quote

OK, I won't post it then.

[dap-addict]

Just checked May/June offer with the main Russian girl importer to EU and I really dont see any change at all. Some big names like Sasha Rose, Angel Rivas, Katana Lure coming to work in EU again.

[dap-addict]

This first ever Ukrainian AVLP stud might actually be an effect of that war:
https://pornbox.com/application/model/102221


Also Russian stud Martin Speen may soon be working in EU. Not conformed yet, however.

[davebowman]

If things go well, putin and his gang will be ousted.

I think that's really all we can hope for at this point. Putin seems determined to move Russia on the path towards becoming an isolated North Korea-style pariah state. Finers crossed when he is finally overthrown let's hope Russia opens up and becomes a world leader in porn production.

[bdsmpretty]

If things go well, putin and his gang will be ousted.

I think that's really all we can hope for at this point. Putin seems determined to move Russia on the path towards becoming an isolated North Korea-style pariah state. Finers crossed when he is finally overthrown let's hope Russia opens up and becomes a world leader in porn production.

And be replaced with what?

Another drunk kleptomaniac US/NATO puppet like Yeltsin? And see Russia finacially-raped by Western finance capitalism for a second time?
I know some of you sicko Russian-haters out there are so deranged with hate and so morally bankrupt that you would wish nothing less than a genocide on the Russian people, so you would welcome a financial equivalent acted upon them too, but you need to understand that Russia will nuke you all to ash long before it will ever allow that to happen. Putin has said that explicitly ("what use would Russia have for a world that would not allow Russia to exist?").
That goes for Putin or any leader who follows. If you provoke the bear, it will attack and destroy you. Always and decisively.

Most Western observers don't understand that past, but all Russians who remember that period live with and are permanently haunted by those memories. And those who were too young to remember (or were not even born then) learn about that period through their education and through hearing of it from their parents and grandparents. It's nothing less than Russian 'collective memory'.
And for that reason, they will consistently cast their vote based on those memories. Similarly, any politician who has the chance to replace Putin will also have those same memories and will also do just as he has, accordingly.

So peoples and goverments in the West need to understand that even if the face of Russian leadership may change over time, it's absolutely guaranteed that all the *core* policies (especially those regarding geopolitical alliances and the protection of Russian land and resources) will remain exactly the same into the future. Guaranteed to.
Putin has set a clear precendent model/template for how future Russian leaders can keep its economy, society and strategic alliances robust enough to stand up to the West, no matter what attacks directed at them from outside (or from within, eg CIA/NED asset Navalny, now out of circulation for his conspiring with the US), and so the path ahead is set.

So stop misplacing your hopes on 'when Putin is gone...' because it will change nothing. Only those with no understanding or insight into recent Russian history will say otherwise (and unfortunately that is most commenting in these threads).

To bring things back to the subject of this thread, this excellent post (Wyatt is a class act and a recommended follow) corresponds with comments I have previously made elsewhere here about the great risk of vulnerable Ukrainian women being sexually exploited in the West (as refugees and immigrants without funds) as a result of the current crisis.

[netzerkaiser]

I agree that there is a danger of Ukrainian women being abused in their vulnerability.

I hope all this ends soon.

However I fear too much has happened for cordial relations to resume.

I also fear that Russia's demographic crisis will catch up with it.

Putin was wrong here, but I certainly acknowledge the wests failure to support Russia post-Glasnost, & yes, NATO morals were a joke in Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq etc. Putin has a long way to go before his legacy is as odious as that of Bush junior.

But I still think Putin was / is wrong.

[netzerkaiser]

No one talks about General Patton.

The George C Scott movie gently implies it but I think he was 'done away' with in 1945 - his mouthings had become a liability.

I think the Russian army in 1945 was in a far more perilous state than is acknowledged.

I think the only reason the US & British armies didn't take them on was that their electorates had no stomach for the fight.

If they had taken the Soviets on, deploying nukes, I think they would have won.

But millions more would have died.

[netzerkaiser]

I remember reading Daniel Yergins 'Shattered peace' & somewhere around the house I've Zhukov's 3-part autobiography (in the cyrillic)...

[dap-addict]

Sorry, folks, please!

Disclaimer: Please no politics!
No boycott calls!
No anti-Russian and/or anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Western bs.

Just economic and psychological predicaments!

...about the great risk of vulnerable Ukrainian women being sexually exploited in the West (as refugees and immigrants without funds) as a result of the current crisis.

There is always such a risk when refugee streams are created by war, be it Syria, be it Ukraine. Important is responsible ppl within porn biz. Most of them understand that sustainability is linked to free choice and free will. On Prague I actually dont see much of a risk, in Bp it looks a bit different because of that BIG guy linked directly to the other side of sex work.


Anyway, I wanted to report some other effect: Seems that most Russian girls have meanwhile being cut of OF.

[Iddaoeeok]

Sorry, folks, please!

Disclaimer: Please no politics!
No boycott calls!
No anti-Russian and/or anti-Ukrainian and/or anti-Western bs.

Just economic and psychological predicaments!

That's never going to happen as long as this tedious propaganda-spouting cunt, tldrpretty, is around.

[dap-addict]

On the EU import front I still dont see any changes: BB which is not the main Russian talent importer has currenty 6 Russian girls and 5 Ukrainian girls offered for actual or near feature EU for work tours. Not all of them are anal hardcore porn friendly, the Russian girls a bit more than the Ukrainian ones.

Russian girls are still in the lead for EU porn work - nothing changed.

[dap-addict]

Looks like traveling from Russia to EU isn't that easy via Riga airport anymore. For some time buses would run from Russia to Riga, or trains from Piter to Helsinki also, and than girls could fly easily where they wanted to do porn work in EU. It stretched travel time ofc, but didnt influence trip prices much.

[netzerkaiser]

At first I feared exploitation of vulnerable Ukrainian women...

I'm sure theres that unfortunately.

But now I'm drawn to consider, e.g. https://pornbox.com/application/model/102594 that perhaps many ladies given opportunity to express themselves?

Go for it, if so.

[dap-addict]

netzer, this MILF has been in porn long before that war started. She's worked a lot for GGG in Berlin. And just generally its very difficult to talk about porn and exploitation because the latter has very different shades of grey. In that lier APE off topic thread they take a way easily turn on that connected with the refugee situation. I mean girls run also away from their abusive BF for instance and stuff, and yes, some take up jobs they wouldnt if they got high social money or other really well-payed job opportunities. Just generalizing doenst help here really, the more as it gets that sad anti-porner touch so easily.

[netzerkaiser]

netzer, this MILF has been in porn long before that war started. She's worked a lot for GGG in Berlin. And just generally its very difficult to talk about porn and exploitation because the latter has very different shades of grey. In that lier APE off topic thread they take a way easily turn on that connected with the refugee situation. I mean girls run also away from their abusive BF for instance and stuff, and yes, some take up jobs they wouldnt if they got high social money or other really well-payed job opportunities. Just generalizing doenst help here really, the more as it gets that sad anti-porner touch so easily.

Great comment Brother. Thanks for shedding light.

Much appreciated.

[JBird]

Looks like traveling from Russia to EU isn't that easy via Riga airport anymore. For some time buses would run from Russia to Riga, or trains from Piter to Helsinki also, and than girls could fly easily where they wanted to do porn work in EU. It stretched travel time ofc, but didnt influence trip prices much.

One of the only options seems to be Pegasus Airlines from Piter to Istanbul then changing flights to Buda or Prague. Doable in a day but still quite pricy for a "low-cost" carrier.

[dap-addict]

Yep, travel costs went up for Russian imports.
First time I see a certain import slow down, might be due to re-organisatio though.
At the same time no more Ukrainian girls than before.

Columbian imports seem quite fashionable still, they might compensate RF/UA slowdown a bit.

[dap-addict]

Other side effect is a wave of fake-accounts by scams using war to grab money or bitcoins for allegedly war-stuck Ukrainian porn girls. Sad!
Happened to long ago retired Sindy Rose for instance.

[dap-addict]

Only now after 4mt I see first effects on model market: Russian and Ukrainian porn girl imports went down actually. This might be because many models still travelled on old visas.

Very nasty side effect is bullying of many Russian models bts.
Really surprises me how narrow minded fans and insiders of a traditionally very international and low-preducice industry are. Some stories heard and seen are really upsetting me. Maybe I was too naive, but have we really allowed this war in neighboring countries to eat up all our human decency?

[Ultra-Gape]

This obviously won't appeal to DAP fans but this scene also looks good to me:

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/138978

[Ultra-Gape]

^Oops! Replied to the wrong thread there. Sorry.

[dap-addict]

Russian export update: There seems to be a problem leaving Russia on land in direction EU from today.

[YumYum74]

Russian export update: There seems to be a problem leaving Russia on land in direction EU from today.

As you may know I work in travel. I can confirm it is getting increasingly difficult for Russians to leave the country, especially from major transport hubs like Moscow and St Petersburg. Russian travelers are extensively screened at these airports/stations and often flatly refused departure if it turns out they are going to ‘unfriendly’ countries.
Best bet for them is to leave from smaller airports, and go to Europe via normally illogical routes like Erevan, Istanbul, or Dubai. But those routes are also getting harder and harder.

[JBird]

Russian export update: There seems to be a problem leaving Russia on land in direction EU from today.

Too true. Even if a Schengen visa can be obtained - potentially involving two visits to Moscow - it looks as if the cheapest option by far for Russian models travelling to Prague post the Ukraine invasion has gone. That was a bus to Helsinki Airport from Piter then a flight to Prague. A whole day but doable for maybe $500 return. Now I hear that the Russian border guards are not allowing anyone to go into Finland by bus.

Flying supposedly is ok - don't look for consistency here - but the only daily route, with Turkish Airlines, can cost at least $3,000 for the return from Piter to Istanbul then on to Prague. The studios are unlikely to sponsor that sort of deal and why should they? Russian stars are not made of money so they could hardly cover the price.

I am reaching the sad conclusion that for the foreseeable future fresh blood from Russia, or models looking to up their game, is not going to happen in Prague.

[dap-addict]

I am reaching the sad conclusion that for the foreseeable future fresh blood from Russia, or models looking to up their game, is not going to happen in Prague.

Thats too fast thinking. We had a price rise recently and it was also due to increased travel costs. Also travel costs were always in the past passed on fairly to end users as all other investments. Therefore US-models scenes are usually more expensive, and so it could also happen with Russian girls. Problem is only that selection of Russian girls able to play in travel investment back is tighter the higher that investment is. To be feasible such a girl has to sell at least 10 hardcore anal scenes easily I'd think. Probe bookings à 3 or 5 scenes can't happen at $3k travel costs instead of $05k.

[DPraved]

If only there were better male performers in Russia. To my knowledge only Leo and Tim could compete girth-wise with the quality Prague studs. I wonder how feasible it would be for a handful of quality studs to travel to Russia instead of the other way around? Not very, I can imagine...

It's a sad state of affairs that teens seems to be practically impossible to scout for the Prague studios. I wish there was an NRX-like studio in Prague that could perform the same rigorous training program on local teens. With access to so much porn nowadays, there must be loads of them fantasizing of gangbangs and who could be persuaded to go for it under the right circumstances.