How to progress 18-year-olds in porn

[netzerkaiser]

...but its no therapy forum:
Lets maybe tackle this here rather, see OP!

Now transferred to OP: If a porn scout or a porn director meets a real 18yo girl dreaming of having sex on stage for money and she wants to earn as much money as possible, should be say: "Look, you are only 18yo, b/g is too early for you, beware of anal, just do mast or lez only for 100$ instead, its good and easy money, too"? Or shall he say: "Look, rates are this and this (from lez to DAP), this is extremely demanding, but you and your talent decides, you and only you decide in the end! And apropos: All your sex on set will be on internet forever, no matter whether it is lez or mast only or wet DAP." ?

I dunno if its at me DAPAddict, but I don't feel I need therapy. Capisce, Paisano?

[ZiziMinuscule]

I suppose that when speaking about therapy, DAP is referring to me. Usually I don't share his views, but here actually he is right.

[xxxtentionn]

Its madness! The producers are really shooting them self in the foot when they view DP and DAP as something mandatory that every girl have to do sooner or later.
What we need is a third path of progression that includes neither DP or DAP. Im thinking about anal-centric content that focuses mainly on domination, ATM and anal stretching. 2on1, 2on2 and even GGB scenes.....

Here are a few gifs to show that you can make great porn without any DP or DAP.

100% agree
I think you should run for president.

[xxxtentionn]

Porn fans may like the fantasy of an "18 year old" but may have no clue exactly how old a model really is. She won't instantly transform into a crone on her 20th birthday.

IMO no model should ever be pressured to perform acts beyond her current abilities or tolerance just to provide entertainment for greedy impatient fans. She should get the chance to develop her skills and enjoy or at least tolerate her porn work. But in this industry there will always be bottom feeders trying to exploit a girl's naivety for a quick profit today, with no thought for her tomorrow.

100%
LP has lost out of some incredible talent because they really don't know how to take care of their young stars.

[xxxtentionn]

I think the biggest take away is, don't rush way too much, don't just do DAP for the sake of it, build your young talents career.

[dap-addict]

Capisce, Paisano?

It was only a joke, dont worry.
We all need therapy, from this guilt culture society and advertisements makeing us believe that only beauty counts.
No, its charter and performance and savoring of genuine lust!
Any kind of performance, whatever you do good, everybody does sth good, everybody has talents, his/her own!
But also dont limit young girls who want to use their anal porn talents - just because they are 18yo or 19yo only!

[InsideA41YearOldGirl]

I'll be pretty honest, I'm not a fan of this topic. Most of you don't have any basic knowledge of psychology or, what is really important, neurology. You seem to think 18yos are, well, immature, and need to be treated like, you know, immature people going through some kind of phobia treatment. To me, it's pretty simple: there are those who do, and those who don't. I know some of guys do things extra-site like pay for stuff those girls supposedly touched through sites like [spam], but I really don't worship them or put them into a pedestal. It's not a charity, they're supposed to work for us, not the reverse.

[ZiziMinuscule]

I'll be pretty honest, I'm not a fan of this topic.

Same here.

Most of you don't have any basic knowledge of psychology or, what is really important, neurology.

Well, if in Your opinion 18 yo girls are "mature", then it's obvious that Your knowledge of psychology and neurology is not better than, for instance, mine.

You seem to think 18yos are, well, immature

There is nothing to "seem". Some are already "mature" even earlier, some are still not "mature" when 18 yo and some will never become "mature".

It's not a charity, they're supposed to work for us, not the reverse.

Theoretically, You are right. However, i would eagerly pay them additional money for their work. Why? The heart has its reasons, which reason does not know.

That being said, I need to acknowledge that Your signature makes me feel very uncomfortable. Why? Because I feel that in a certain way it applies to myself. And that makes me feel guilty or even sick.

[avanfurwet]

I'll be pretty honest, I'm not a fan of this topic. Most of you don't have any basic knowledge of psychology or, what is really important, neurology. You seem to think 18yos are, well, immature, and need to be treated like, you know, immature people going through some kind of phobia treatment. To me, it's pretty simple: there are those who do, and those who don't.

I think ZiziMinuscule's response to this is very good.

I know some of guys do things extra-site like pay for stuff those girls supposedly touched through sites like [spam], but I really don't worship them or put them into a pedestal. It's not a charity, they're supposed to work for us, not the reverse.

That opinion applies to all pornstars, regardless of age, gender, etc. Some fans crave more interaction and some performers are willing to supply that demand.

It's not a charity and nobody works for you. Porn performers work for themselves. If you want what they're selling then you can buy, otherwise not.

[netzerkaiser]

Capisce, Paisano?

It was only a joke, dont worry.
We all need therapy, from this guilt culture society and advertisements makeing us believe that only beauty counts.
No, its charter and performance and savoring of genuine lust!
Any kind of performance, whatever you do good, everybody does sth good, everybody has talents, his/her own!
But also dont limit young girls who want to use their anal porn talents - just because they are 18yo or 19yo only!

Thanks man.

[grey00owl]

I know some of guys do things extra-site like pay for stuff those girls supposedly touched through sites like [spam], but I really don't worship them or put them into a pedestal. It's not a charity, they're supposed to work for us, not the reverse.

That opinion applies to all pornstars, regardless of age, gender, etc. Some fans crave more interaction and some performers are willing to supply that demand.

It's not a charity and nobody works for you. Porn performers work for themselves. If you want what they're selling then you can buy, otherwise not.

Obviously studios are no works of charity and they aim in the first place at their profit, but it's clear that they can reach it better and durably through a good management of the models, that is fair and compassionate relationship, not greedy exploitation.
And, as avanfurwet says, the actors work fundamentally for themselves and for their employers, we are just the final consumers, who take every advantage from fair conditions in the porn industry.

[dap-addict]

...but I really don't worship them or put them into a pedestal. It's not a charity, they're supposed to work for us, not the reverse.

It's not a charity and nobody works for you. Porn performers work for themselves. If you want what they're selling then you can buy, otherwise not.

Its a bit another subject, IA41G touches, but I have rather to agree.
OF and internet streaming gave them possibilities too try living on our funds doing nothing than posting pics they would post anyway because thats what teens do today. And hold their hand open and expect us to fund them.
I'd say, yep, ofc I pay, but I expect them to work, and not only for studio, but also for me indirectly.
Because as porn user I wanna have a say what my studio, here LP, shoots and what girls (and the boys fucking them on set, too) should work for me. Me, for instance, I only want anal porn sex from them - and if they deliver that I gladly pay for their work they do via LP work contracts, called bookings.
And if they want to do that being 18yo and not older, than go on, please yes, do it! Work for me! I'll pay you!

[ZiziMinuscule]

It's not a charity and nobody works for you. Porn performers work for themselves. If you want what they're selling then you can buy, otherwise not.

This. These are some wisdom words. Thank You, Avanfurwet.

[rocchardchap]

best way: 1 on 1 with the 60+ year old beast Mike Chapman. Let him have his way

[dap-addict]

best way: 1 on 1 with the 60+ year old beast Mike Chapman. Let him have his way

With Mike Chapman I actually think there should be a rare opt-out option for 18yo rookies.
Working aka on-set fucking with him can be a tremendous experience but also a strain, depends on given girl really.
This said scenes with him showing a 18y into porn can be really good fun!
But lets the rookie decide here!

Usually no say over pairing for girls ofc!
Its not feasible and too much hassle.

[dap-addict]

I thought of some porn careers started @ LP during recent 2-3 years and I can't get rid of the idea that ideal start is still to plunge into deep water and work way up from there to real good porn performance not looking what peers do, but perusing an own but studio guided way. May Thai, Anna Rey, Sara Bell...

[rocchardchap]

Freddy Gong demonstrates a pretty good answer to this topic using the recently turned 18 Anastasia Steele.

[DPraved]

Freddy Gong demonstrates a pretty good answer to this topic using the recently turned 18 Anastasia Steele.

Great GIFs! Didn't buy this scene cause I didn't like her styling in the preview, but those smiles, OMG!

[DPraved]

You are making a great point rocchardchap, many newbies need that playfulness and encouragement for their first scenes in order to have a great experience. I think Nick's scenarios and frequent use of costumes achieve the same effect for NRX, and he has been EXTREMELY successful with his 18-year-olds.

[Starrio]

I don't think it is necessary for girls to progress that much on porn.

I can be happy with a girl like Baby Bambi or Whiteneko
just gettingg fucked in the ass over and over again, even by the same guy without piss, without dap, without tap, etc..

The only important thing is that they do balls deep anal, and just take the pounding, if they do that, they are good, everything else is cool too, but extra.

Like if Bruno or Lancelot would fuck Natasha Teen or Emily Pink in the ass every week, balls deep, I will still buy every single video. Just the fact of seeing the girl getting deep anal penetration constantly is good enough for me to be satisfied.

[DPraved]

I don't think it is necessary for girls to progress that much on porn.

I can be happy with a girl like Baby Bambi or Whiteneko
just gettingg fucked in the ass over and over again, even by the same guy without piss, without dap, without tap, etc..

The only important thing is that they do balls deep anal, and just take the pounding, if they do that, they are good, everything else is cool too, but extra.

Like if Bruno or Lancelot would fuck Natasha Teen or Emily Pink in the ass every week, balls deep, I will still buy every single video. Just the fact of seeing the girl getting deep anal penetration constantly is good enough for me to be satisfied.

I don't mind 1on1 scenes either. Some of my all time favourite scenes are 1on1, like Nata Paradise's first scene for instance. But there is a significant difference for me, watching a girl I think will go all the way, compared to a girl who has limits in who she works with or in which hole she takes it.

To illustrate my point: Very soon, NRX will be releasing what i presume is a 1on1 scene with a gorgeous new 18-year-old, but the fact that I know that she has already been thoroughly gangfucked in every way imaginable, will make her first 1on1 scene sooo much more enjoyable for me.
https://forum.pornbox.com/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=29018#p452666

[dap-addict]

I don't mind 1on1 scenes either. Some of my all time favourite scenes are 1on1, like Nata Paradise's first scene for instance. But there is a significant difference for me, watching a girl I think will go all the way, compared to a girl who has limits in who she works with or in which hole she takes it.

To illustrate my point: Very soon, NRX will be releasing what i presume is a 1on1 scene with a gorgeous new 18-year-old, but the fact that I know that she has already been thoroughly gangfucked in every way imaginable, will make her first 1on1 scene sooo much more enjoyable for me.
https://forum.pornbox.com/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=29018#p452666

Thats exactly the point for me, too.
1on1 anal is just for a start, but also an 18yo girl can go through the while basic hardcore anal porn program within maximum 6mt, ie. from 1on1 anal to DAPbreakin' and ideally some fellow-up DAPs to ride her in so to say.
Its basically her to decide how much she wants to earn during her very first porn months, but studios like NRX offering a fast track option help willing 18yo girls a lot indeed.

[rocchardchap]

Freddy Gong demonstrates a pretty good answer to this topic using the recently turned 18 Anastasia Steele.

Great GIFs! Didn't buy this scene cause I didn't like her styling in the preview, but those smiles, OMG!

For you my friend, I'll keep them coming from this scene! I hope they can help show how to convert shy and self conscious high school seniors into pure sex kittens to be dominated by hung older studs.

.

[Starrio]

I don't mind 1on1 scenes either. Some of my all time favourite scenes are 1on1, like Nata Paradise's first scene for instance. But there is a significant difference for me, watching a girl I think will go all the way, compared to a girl who has limits in who she works with or in which hole she takes it.

To illustrate my point: Very soon, NRX will be releasing what i presume is a 1on1 scene with a gorgeous new 18-year-old, but the fact that I know that she has already been thoroughly gangfucked in every way imaginable, will make her first 1on1 scene sooo much more enjoyable for me.
https://forum.pornbox.com/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=29018#p452666

The reason I like 1 on 1 is because I only have one dick so it is hard for me to imagine having two dicks going through an asshole.

Instead when DAP or TAP happens I just enjoy seeing the scene without participating in my mind because I don't want to think of the sensation of rubbing another dick.

However I do agree multiple guys have a lot of advantages over 1 on 1.

That said, DP still works great for me because each dick has its own hole and that is very sexy because mentally you can alternate between the two.

Also DP can be challenging for the girls if it is balls deep. I remember girls crying in videos from Double Teamed Teens just from a DP, and it was very hot to see those badass girls doing something that challenging.

Obviously DAP and TAP are more challenging and that's why is sexy, but it has the advantages I mentioned.

On top of that DP is a great opportunity to try good balls deep because the girl doesn't know what hole to focus on, and that distraction can allow for deeper penetration at least until she inevitably detects it, and if she is sucking a dick even better the opportunity.

Another advantage of having multiple guys is that they could potentially make a hot position last longer.

On an 1 on 1 if you do balls deep prone bone the girl could start getting uncomfortably fast and then you would have to move to something else.

On a train with many guys if you do prone bone the director, the girl, and the guys, know that they have to do at least a round, so everyone is making an effort to making the position last longer, which is an effort you probably wouldn't get on a 1 on 1, and having the prone bone to last longer because of that is always a good thing.

Also the trains against the wall are also great because you get to see the girl with her heels or her toes, legs extended, and sometimes even trembling getting anal penetration from one guy after another, and it is obviously hot too.

I always keep saying that "trains" whether "the wall" or "the floor", are essential part of any gangbang contextually speaking.

So yeah, multiple guys definitely have advantages, but those advantages are not always utilized, and when the directors don't take advantage of those situations, then a good 1 on 1 with balls deep pounding can be just as hot if not more.

[101mike101]

Cherie DeVille has a PhD degree in Physical Therapy. So, she knows more about this kind of stuff than most people in porn. And she practiced anal at home on her own for 5 years, before she started doing anal on screen in porn movies.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/8qwkmg/how-to-do-anal-like-a-porn-star

Doing anal and especially double-anal takes lots of practice and preparation. It's similar to the stretching and the flexibility of gymnastics. If you take it easy at first and increase your ability through practice and training, then eventually you will be able to do extraordinary things. But if you try to do it right away, without much practice and preparation, then you will likely to get injured and end your career prematurely.

Anal for women is more popular and more common in some countries and cultures than in other countries and cultures. In some countries and cultures, young ladies might start their sexual activity with anal, rather than pussy. And they can be very good at it even at a young age. But being good at anal isn't the same as being good at DAP. So, even such ladies need some time for practice, training, and preparation, before they can do such stuff safely.

The thing about this discussion here is that it doesn't include women who actually do it and who know what it takes. So people, who don't know much about it, are making all kinds of unrealistic and risky suggestions.

I can't say that I know much about it either. But in such a situation, you need to look for credible sources, who have some experience with it and know. Because its better to rely on the knowledge and the experience of others who know, than to to make huge mistakes on your own and learn from them, when often it's already too late to learn.

[AndrewGarfield]

Freddy Gong demonstrates a pretty good answer to this topic using the recently turned 18 Anastasia Steele.

Great porn!!Can you leave a link to it?

[AndrewGarfield]

I really wanted to see the full version(

[Destroyherass]

It would be nice to see more 18-21 fresh newcomers getting the full lp treatment and having the right good attitude and make it far in porn.

Pair them up with BBC anal for the first scene and see how far they can go whilst respecting their limits (obviously).

[scarletxxx666]

sorry im lazy to read all that

[johnnyrock]

Freddy Gong demonstrates a pretty good answer to this topic using the recently turned 18 Anastasia Steele.

Absolutely, we need more scenes like that. Nothing hotter than a sweet 18 girl with a bbc.

[nelson_sanchez]

if any girl wants to make it they need to do all, that is todays world. NT rewarded its hard working girls with visas money and contracts. it does pay to do it all. if not they would be in colombia doing tricks and cam shows and what ever else. if a girl does everything she gets a huge fan vase of millions of fans. some will pay others will talk highly of her and so on.

[nelson_sanchez]

if it is your gf by fucking them in the ass with all size of dildoes one day at the time if they are models they need to train that ass thenself.. in 6 months they will be anal certified for DAP.

[dap-addict]

if any girl (= from 18yo. onwards) wants to make it they need to do all, that is todays world. NT rewarded its hard working girls with visas money and contracts. it does pay to do it all. if not they would be in colombia doing tricks and cam shows and what ever else.

Didnt read all our discussion back now again, but I basically agree with nelson_sanchez here. I just wanna stress that each girls career is an individual decision also based on so many coincidences and we have to allow for that. This being said any responsible agent will support an 18yo. girl wanting to start her career fast with all their BTS insider knowledge, health advise, dildoes suitable for anal training like Wondertoys Impaler (https://www.thewondertoys.com/products/impaler) and its beginner buttplugs (https://www.thewondertoys.com/products/the-opener). Its basically all about a sustainable way to start a sustainable porn career lasting 2-3year today,or just as long as the 18yo rookie wants it, with possible breaks and comebacks later in her career. But sure in 2021 we arent talking of 10+years porn careers anymore in Europe.

From recent experience I'd sure support any girl anally trained enough to plunge into best payed sex acts at once if she feels like it instead of waiting too long. Basics like position for camera and eye-contact can be trained on set, it usually takes a girl 3-5 porn scenes to get into that. Thus if the 18yo rookie is anally trained enough from private experience or dildo preparations she can jump straight into DAP her very first scene and do it in her 3rd porn scene, no problem at all.
Crucial here is only her willpower, preparation and talent & a good team of studs on set. If she starts with LP/AV there is no problem at all! They ride her in so to say and thats it, she can start to earn decent money from her 1st porn week and get re-booked based on her test sales within 1mt or a bit longer.
Important is just ofc to always listen to her body. Just spoke with a fast-track LP/AV 18yo the other day who told me her ass told her to go slowly. She listens ofc, but its her ass, not her peers ass, which might take it all much better. Every girl is different, but the faster she gets to know the whole porn biz options the better for her!

[dap-addict]

if it is your gf by fucking them in the ass with all size of dildoes one day at the time if they are models they need to train that ass thenself.. in 6 months they will be anal certified for DAP.

nelson_sanchez, I dont get that part about GF, what you wanna say?
But anyway, sue important is preparing and training with dildoes, but also sure 6mt is too long to certify for DAP. It can be done within 1mt about. Here an 18yo. Czech porn girl just explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRKQ4lEZCUA

Btw, DAP in her 3rd LP/AV porn scene within 1 week. She did some lighter porn scenes before it seems. Some troubles in DAP, but its a good fast-track start basically:
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/216141 (GIO1776)
Girl later told me in a private talk she did too many heavy anal scenes after that DAP and slows down now. Its perfectly normal that after such demanding anal scenes proper periods of non-anal breaks are needed, that's all. How long the breaks is individual with each girl, she just needs to find out and listen to her body.

But sure no reason not to start with DAP at once - many other 18-21yo early DAP porn careers show that exactly:

1st porn scene = DAP at 18yo. - Selvaggia @ GIO273.

May Thai (Italy/Thailand): 1st ever porn scene = DAP, at 18yo, but some say she was actually already 19yo than: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/31045 (GIO170)
Ava Harris (Poland): 3rd ever porn scene = DAP, she just had turned 21yo, but never worked in nude modeling or related before. In private talks she said it hurt quite a bit, but she wanted to do it to kick off her porn career fast and also because she promised it to her porn promoter: https://pornbox.com/application/model/92741 (GIO1747)
Emily Pink (Columbia): 3rd ever porn scene = DAP, she just had turned 19yo, and does it with 2 of the biz biggest dicks: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/55816 (sz2272)
Selvaggia (Russia): 1st ever porn scene = DAP, at the age of 18yo, she turns out as one of the biggest young anal/DAP porn talent, retires at only 21yo after around 50 DAP scenes and well over 100k porn earnings, buys a flat in Russia with that money, gets her higher education finished and slowly starts looking for a husband to have the kids with later. https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/31850 (GIO273)

Just 5 examples, 2 of them certified 18yo only, the rest not older than 21yo. Two of them at the very beginning of their porn careers, one already retired meanwhile because she has other life plans she can fulfill better before turning mid 20yo.

[DPraved]

But sure no reason not to start with DAP at once - many other 18-21yo early DAP porn careers show that exactly:

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May Thai (Italy/Thailand): 1st ever porn scene = DAP, at 18yo, but some say she was actually already 19yo than: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/31045 (GIO170)
Ava Harris (Poland): 3rd ever porn scene = DAP, she just had turned 21yo, but never worked in nude modeling or related before. In private talks she said it hurt quite a bit, but she wanted to do it to kick off her porn career fast and also because she promised it to her porn promoter: https://pornbox.com/application/model/92741 (GIO1747)
Emily Pink (Columbia): 3rd ever porn scene = DAP, she just had turned 19yo, and does it with 2 of the biz biggest dicks: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/55816 (sz2272)
Selvaggia (Russia): 1st ever porn scene = DAP, at the age of 18yo, she turns out as one of the biggest young anal/DAP porn talent, retires at only 21yo after around 50 DAP scenes and well over 100k porn earnings, buys a flat in Russia with that money, gets her higher education finished and slowly starts looking for a husband to have the kids with later. https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/31850 (GIO273)

While I applaud Giorgio's exceptional track record for having beautiful 18-year-olds gangbanged, the way he had the girls styled never really appealed to me. The insistence to use the same styling for every woman aged 18 to 50 makes the whole gangbanged at 18 thing almost completely meaningless. In most of his scenes it's impossible to guess the girl is actually only 18.

I think this is a problem with European porn in general, that while the ratio of true hardcore teens is much higher than anywhere else, styling girls for what looks natural at a specific age seems too difficult for most studios. What we most often get are 18-year-olds dressed like MILFS and 30-year-olds in "school-girl" outfits. Where is the logic in that!? I'm sure most of the teen models look much more interesting on their way to the studio than they do on set after makeup. When will we finally get 18-year-olds in bikinis and no makeup, like girls we could actually see on the beach, for example? Making the most out of the few months as an 18-year-old rookie is not just about what sex-acts the girls do, but also how they are presented before and during the shoot. Don't waste these opportunities! Make the scenes special and leave the heavy makeup and trashy outfits for the veterans.

[Angel Eyes]

May Thai (Italy/Thailand): 1st ever porn scene = DAP, at 18yo, but some say she was actually already 19yo than: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/31045 (GIO170)

May was born on 24 December, 1996, so was 19 in GIO170. She's currently 24.

I understand the confusion. GIO170 fantasizes the scene was shot on her 18th birthday, IADF has an incorrect year of birth (1997)

[Caveman39]

May Thai (Italy/Thailand): 1st ever porn scene = DAP, at 18yo, but some say she was actually already 19yo than: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/31045 (GIO170)

May was born on 24 December, 1996, so was 19 in GIO170. She's currently 24.

I understand the confusion. GIO170 fantasizes the scene was shot on her 18th birthday, IADF has an incorrect year of birth (1997)

What is your source? Can you show proof of this?

[Angel Eyes]

What is your source? Can you show proof of this?

The only current/active source with her actual age is her Glamino page which shows May Thai's age as 24 https://www.glamino.com/may.thai

[Angel Eyes]

[rocchardchap]

ngl ive slowly become a fan of Black veteran Richard Mann mainly because how he tests out the 18 year olds. This was a great casting couch scene with rookie Alice Marchesi who had only mainly been doing cam girl stuff once she turned legal. This scene shows the value of a great pre-fuck interview, cuz Alice mentions she's bulimic, so Uncle Rich lets her get sloppy on his cock.