Pricing increase; Legit? Or Greed?

[filthyk9pissslut]

And to train a new or amateur model, show her the best selling and worst selling videos, that will do the job...

[dap-addict]

Model doenst care much about sales, she cares about her fee and this is sex act based mainly.

Only very conscious models start to care about studio success as well because they understood it benefits them in the end as well. But as long as girls dont get a sales based added % there doenst change much. Majority of girls still want fast money, thats all, they dont look into future.

[avanfurwet]

If no one buys the high priced videos, that studio is going to stop producing, the high price is due to their financial struggle.

We don't know how or why individual studios set their prices. We don't know how many units they sell at their "high price", or how many they could sell at a higher or lower price point.

When an ameture director makes a movie with a very good model, that movie is going to suck, people are going to hate that movie & the model(bcz of poor performance, people hate cheaters). So they stop buying that model's next movies.

Some people will enjoy and buy amateur-looking content with their favourite models. Others will just skip the amateur content and wait to buy that model's next prefessional scene.
No reason to assume that fans will turn away from a model just because she works in some scenes which they don't buy.

I think it's better that models get as many opportunities to work as possible. And fans get many different offerings to choose from.

[filthyk9pissslut]

Trainer: Dear, see these 4 videos, 2 best selling and 2 worst selling, the good performers are getting 3-4 movies every 3 months from us and from other studios in Czech, like D&F, the worst performers(our customer call them cheaters) are sucking k9 cocks after their 3rd month. We don't hire or promote them to another studios, So, you can choose which one you want to be. If you perform well in your today's movie, you'll get 2 more movies tomorrow, , plus an additional bonus in the next visit.
Dumb fuck model: I choose k9 cock
You can leave her by giving one movie

[filthyk9pissslut]

Some people will enjoy and buy amateur-looking content with their favourite models.

Not some of them, most people buy, because ameture directors are cheating their customers,
Amateur dumb fuck director: Hello guys see this trailer, I'm shooting wet contents/DP now, she's drinking/taking balls deep, see the tag.
Customers after watching a Piss spitting/tip fucking movie: See you next time dumb fuck...

[Starrio]

Not at all, the studios wouldn't die, quickly they will get it before that happens, and prices would go back to normal, also the costumers pool will always have higher numbers instead of decreasing to just the super loyal ones.

It's just like any other business, what's happening is that they are charging Mercedes prices for Toyotas, and not everyone can afford Mercedes, so that's why roughly the same number of Mercedes sold in a year worldwide is the same number of Toyotas sold in the United States alone.

That said, it is not going to happen because there will always be people buying the expensive videos, so things will remain the same.

Also costumers automatically filter out studios they don't care about, and if they buy anything from there is often because it has a model they like.

[filthyk9pissslut]

https://cxl.com/blog/does-offering-more-choices-actually-tank-conversions/
The Paradox of Choice; Why More Is Less.
so what are you suggesting, we shouldn't support if the price is high? I don't understand anything you are saying, pointless arguments... Nobody is going to support if the price is high actually, eventually the studios will stop producing. That's what I said, I didn't say it's a sudden process. It's a gradual process, price hike is the first step. Not interested in arguing, think before speaking...

[filthyk9pissslut]

When the price was low, no one was buying/supporting. Which lead to the financial struggle. and that's why studios increased the price. He's saying if nobody support, they will reduce the price. How is that going to help?. Price is not the actual problem, why are they not buying? That's the problem.. You are making pointless arguments
Choice, quality and lack of resource that's the problem.
Solution:
Resource- if the number of studios reduced, the number of models per studios can be increased.
Quality- Has to be increased, but depends the resource.
Choice: Number of movies can be reduced by reducing the number of studios, still sale depends the quality
Conclusion: less studios (only option, till finding enough good models)

[Starrio]

I'm not saying none of those things, plus the thing about how they increased the price because they saw a low on sales was something I said on the other rhread and then on the next comment you copied the same thing I said.

I repeat, I'm not saying people should not stop buying at higher prices, I'm saying that if everyone would, they would be forced to reduce the prices right away.

The slow process you are talking about would not happen because once prices are normal slowly people would start feeling confident of buying again, and the pool of costumers would increase again just like on any other site of the planet that has sales.

Like I said on the other thread, many sites that are still running after 10 years still have the same price and those even have sales.

I feel the prices in LP were fine in 2018, people say 2015, but time 2018 prices were good enough.

Every time there is a price increase the pool of costumers decrease to the super loyal ones, so it is a choice of having more costumers buying cheaper videos or having a few buying expensive ones.

Pornhub had the biggest costumer base because they had a lot of zero dollars content, but many would never spend any money because it was zero, so you need a balance.

However this will not happened because we are addicts, and there always will be people buying at higher prices, so the prices won't go back to normal, pandemic or no pandemic.

Now that's explained again you can stop talking nonsense and move on. In fact you don't have the obligation to comment on everything I say, you are always doing that.

[filthyk9pissslut]

I don't understand anything you are saying, blah blah.. we are discussing the solution, he's oppossing with something illogical & rubbish statements .
The price hike is due to less profit.
Once the price is high, they will never reduce it, price low or high, doesn't matter, people are not buying/interested in that studio's work.

[Starrio]

I don't understand anything you are saying, blah blah.. we are discussing the solution, he's oppossing with something illogical & rubbish statements .
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You are discribing exactly what you do, don't drag me into that. I am not doing that.

[Gmoney18]

Yeah I mean, this post seems to be complaining about capitalism as an economic system, more than against a specific site/sector. The prices will increase until an inflection point is reached, where the total profit starts to decrease, because of less total sales. I personally buy fewer scenes recently because of this increase, but I'm not going to complain to LP specifically because that's just the nature of the capitalist beast.

Another reason might be that many customers, including me, are more fans of specific models than looking for a wide variety of scenes/models. I buy almost all scenes from models I like regardless of the price. So there's alot of factors like that the producers are probably considering when determining price points. What I think the producers should be cognizant of, is loss of "support money". I think that there are plenty of customers out there, who pay for the LP scenes they like to "vote with their dollars" and help make sure the scenes keep being produced, instead of finding illegal/free ways to download LP scenes. If prices start to get high enough, lots of these people will start to look for illegal copies instead of buying the proper way. So thats a factor to consider too. On the whole it's encouraging in a way, because we know per-scene price can only go so high before total profits flatten, forcing LP to stop increasing, or even decrease.

[Starrio]

What? I'm 30. You are a lost cause man.

[avanfurwet]

Yeah I mean, this post seems to be complaining about capitalism as an economic system, more than against a specific site/sector. The prices will increase until an inflection point is reached, where the total profit starts to decrease, because of less total sales. I personally buy fewer scenes recently because of this increase, but I'm not going to complain to LP specifically because that's just the nature of the capitalist beast.

Another reason might be that many customers, including me, are more fans of specific models than looking for a wide variety of scenes/models. I buy almost all scenes from models I like regardless of the price. So there's alot of factors like that the producers are probably considering when determining price points. What I think the producers should be cognizant of, is loss of "support money". I think that there are plenty of customers out there, who pay for the LP scenes they like to "vote with their dollars" and help make sure the scenes keep being produced, instead of finding illegal/free ways to download LP scenes. If prices start to get high enough, lots of these people will start to look for illegal copies instead of buying the proper way. So thats a factor to consider too. On the whole it's encouraging in a way, because we know per-scene price can only go so high before total profits flatten, forcing LP to stop increasing, or even decrease.

Good post. I agree with most of it.

I'm the same, I tend to follow favourite models more than acts or studios, and when prices rise I just buy less and also buy later, because I waitlist some scenes and buy them when I have the tickets.

I'm just one customer, but if enough others start to buy later it could affect the seller's pricing formula.

Also, Pornbox have not adjusted the size of the recurring ticket bundles available, so a "subscription" now buys less content and "top-up" bundles of tickets are priced higher, as others have complained.

I think studios are trying to find the "inflection point" for maximum revenue, which is fair enough.
But it's not that easy because they are not selling a commodity product.
Scenes are not like biscuits. Despite our criticisms, every scene is not exactly the same.
Scenes have different costs. Models, acts, themes and even costumes have different appeals to a range of prospective customers.
So judging the effect of manipulating prices is not an exact science, even when they have all the past sales data.

I also agree that Pornbox need to be careful not to tip prospective customers over the edge where they don't feel fairly treated and stop supporting the concept.
Because customers can leave and find free/illegal content instead. For any competitive business, it's hard to win new customers and easy to lose them.

[dap-addict]

If prices start to get high enough, lots of these people will start to look for illegal copies instead of buying the proper way. So thats a factor to consider too.

I also agree that Pornbox need to be careful not to tip prospective customers over the edge where they don't feel fairly treated and stop supporting the concept.
Because customers can leave and find free/illegal content instead.

I have to confess I have very easy access to Russian sources without fussy streaming and in good quality. Its mainly good for Piter scenes and its tempting the more tkts I have to shell out for the Prague shot LP core studio scenes I want. There are days I do feel tipped over the edge, actually.
Its only my knowledge about how my porn is produced and that production needs to be sustainable preventing me using these sources, but still re-charging my tickets again and again.

Two points threaten my feeling of being treated fairly:
1) Sudden price-rise(s) without explanation why it is or has to be done-
2) 120-tkt recharge option for 90 day subscription NOT rewarding loyalty at all, i.e. even for very loyal customers recharging often price still stays the same and is pretty high.

[drevokocur66]

I have to confess I have very easy access to Russian sources without fussy streaming and in good quality. Its mainly good for Piter scenes and its tempting the more tkts I have to shell out for the Prague shot LP core studio scenes I want. There are days I do feel tipped over the edge, actually.
Its only my knowledge about how my porn is produced and that production needs to be sustainable preventing me using these sources, but still re-charging my tickets again and again.

It is easy to find free porn, and I have on occassion, checked parts of a release out to see if it is worth purchasing. With the tag milking out in force, and the epileptic seisure trigerring (and unwatchable) previews, it is the only way to know if the girl actually does piss drinking.

[Gmoney18]

Yeah I mean, this post seems to be complaining about capitalism as an economic system, more than against a specific site/sector. The prices will increase until an inflection point is reached, where the total profit starts to decrease, because of less total sales. I personally buy fewer scenes recently because of this increase, but I'm not going to complain to LP specifically because that's just the nature of the capitalist beast.

Another reason might be that many customers, including me, are more fans of specific models than looking for a wide variety of scenes/models. I buy almost all scenes from models I like regardless of the price. So there's alot of factors like that the producers are probably considering when determining price points. What I think the producers should be cognizant of, is loss of "support money". I think that there are plenty of customers out there, who pay for the LP scenes they like to "vote with their dollars" and help make sure the scenes keep being produced, instead of finding illegal/free ways to download LP scenes. If prices start to get high enough, lots of these people will start to look for illegal copies instead of buying the proper way. So thats a factor to consider too. On the whole it's encouraging in a way, because we know per-scene price can only go so high before total profits flatten, forcing LP to stop increasing, or even decrease.

I also agree that Pornbox need to be careful not to tip prospective customers over the edge where they don't feel fairly treated and stop supporting the concept.
Because customers can leave and find free/illegal content instead. For any competitive business, it's hard to win new customers and easy to lose them.

This is a very good point too, along the lines of what I was saying. Very easy for potential new customers to find their way here and get turned off seeing an 8/9 ticket scene. They then immediately leave and try finding other ways to obtain it.

[zeusanalfreak299]

It is easy to find free porn, and I have on occassion, checked parts of a release out to see if it is worth purchasing. With the tag milking out in force, and the epileptic seisure trigerring (and unwatchable) previews, it is the only way to know if the girl actually does piss drinking.

It is not ethical to support piracy,

But: SOMETIMES the problem is, that you watch a trailer or check the screenshots and think:

"Great! Scene seems to be amazing and there is this moment I really like to jerk off! I buy this! I want to support LP and see more of these moments in further scenes!"

Then you buy it... But reality is, that the moment you thought would be perfect lasts only as long as the 5 seconds in the trailer, then the camera swings away and you see what you actually don´t like. You realize, the scene is now in your pornbox, but you never will watch it again because you haven´t got the moment/action you expected to jerk off and haven´t got the satisfaction you payed for.

I got disappointed many times due to this fact. 60% (more then 300) of all scenes I have ever bought had disappointed me in the end. I have never seen them again. From the perspective of my benefit, I could have download them illegally. Because I wouldn´t watch them anyway > No money for LP, no benefit for me > sounds fair?!

Solution for consumer like me could be an opportunity to fly through the whole scene and see much more frames to check if the moments you really enjoy lasts as long as you expect, has constantly the camera angle and action you expect. You definitely would know, that you will get what you enjoy for satisfaction.

I don´t know how you guys watch porn, but for myself, every scene has only a few moments I really really like and can jerk off. In average 5 minutes of 60. If these 5 minutes are not as expected due to trailer/screenshots, the scene is useless. I hope you guys are not as sick and fu**ed up like me.

[filthyk9pissslut]

Right, people hate cheaters

[dap-addict]

If these 5 minutes are not as expected due to trailer/screenshots, the scene is useless. I hope you guys are not as sick and fu**ed up like me.

Its easier for me, definitely.
And since number screenshots went from 100 up to 250 I can pretty well predict what I'd like.
But yep, I do still buy a lot of scenes just to support the girl or the studio and than it takes me a long time to come along actually watching that scene. And no, I never watch a scene A to Z, its always 5-25min only I need, rest I could ditch. But than maybe my needs change over the next years and I can enjoy the other 45 to 25min?

[zeusanalfreak299]

But than maybe my needs change over the next years and I can enjoy the other 45 to 25min?

To be honest, I had this situation a few times, too. Sometimes, you skip too much/fast over the scene and forget several moments. But it happens not often

[massivesmash]

The solution is that no one ever buys anything with the new prices, but you know no one is going to do that

Yes, you are right, it's because everyone is supporting, if no one is buying, they will reduce the price.

[Sir Noel]

Clearly it is a profit motivated decision, trading off less sales for more profit per sale to try and hit that sweet spot before the loss of sales becomes too great and cancels out the marginal revenue increase of that extra ticket or half ticket per scene.
I think the problem is that that kind of analysis never takes inti account long term consequences.
I think one of those consequences is that people become more conservative in the spending and less willing to take a punt on a new model. Maybe you will "risk" two or three tickets on an unknown girl but to spend more than double that you probably want a safer bet. Certainly that is how my ticket spending has evolved. I am spending less (only one account here now, rather than two, and recharges are a rarity) the last year but more significantly it is almost always "safe bets"; ie models I am familiar with and know I like. Of course the long term consequence, if a lot of people behave like this, is that as those models stop performing the customers won't have been hooked on their replacements and their spending will tail off.

[filthyk9pissslut]

The solution is that no one ever buys anything with the new prices, but you know no one is going to do that, there is always going to be people that will buy at those prices, so the prices will remain high because of those people, and will continue to rise.

It is not cost why the prices are higher, it is just because they can get away with it.
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I got banned for criticising this guy, and someone tried to hack my system yesterday. Thanks LP, for banning and trying to hack my system. I am leaving, won't comment in LP forum anymore. LP deserve this guy, not me... Goodbye LP.

[Starrio]

I got banned for criticising this guy, and someone tried to hack my system yesterday. Thanks LP, for banning and trying to hack my system. I am leaving, won't comment in LP forum anymore. LP deserve this guy, not me... Goodbye LP.

You are not banned if you are writing.

Also you forgot to quote me when I said we are not going to stop buying because we are addicts.

I actually reloaded my tokens 5 times this month, so just like I said, people like me will continue to buy stuff because we just love LP too much already.

[Wotan29]

You can't be banned if you are still writing here.

You can be banned for a certain time.
Happened to me (one week) when I posted a picture of an anime horse "all the way through" penetration in a fun thread.
LOL!

That doesn't sound offensive, maybe the forum was down.

? ? ?
Do you think I´m stupid? No, the forum wasn´t down!
I had a message "You are banned until (day) (time)". (exactly one week)
By the way without telling a reason.
The reason I was assuming, because in the thread where I posted the anime horse photo some other user replied with "You will be banned for this".
So silly...