Price gouging -11.4 tkts/1 hr scene

[stevemcgee3]

Here is a perfect analogy.

Metallica sells front-row tickets for $100. Scalpers buy all of these tickets and re-sell every ticket for $1,000. So, are front row tickets to Metallica worth $100 or $1,000? Even if most people refused to pay these high prices, guess what? Metallica is still going to sell-out every night. So, how much will I spend on a Nicole Black scene? I don't know the answer. What is a fair price? I don't know, it is all relative. One thing I have learned is that money comes and goes, you should learn to enjoy life without stressing about money. Anyway, I believe you should vote with your money. If you like it, buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Complaining is a waste of time.

[grey00owl]

The problem is this very steep and sudden increase. I myself don't know whether a scene is worth 5 TKT or 8, or 11, but if till very recently a scene was bringing profit at 5 TKT, it's not understandable that now they charge so much higher prices for the same contents. As said, a moderate increase would be no problem and widely accepted, but this looks like money greed. And this won't be rewarded.

[pastaga]

The problem to me is mostly that the price increase is coming along a quality decrease. Well the lockdown is not LP fault but I would have waited to it's end to increase the prices.
I must also say that we got an improvement at gonzo as the new director is (to me) better than Luis.

[Ab.cad90210]

Yes quality has gone down - personally most of the scenes I buy are anal creampie to other girls mouth. A few years ago this was NORMAL on LP - scenes with 2 and 3 girls DAPed sucking cum out of each other’s assholes - hot ones like Goldie Arwen Linda sweet Tina Chloe lacourt. Linda sweet gets fisted and prolapses, Arwen got double fisted and had a hand gripping a dick IN her ass! Those scenes were 3-4 tkts. Kira Thorns FIRST scene with Isabella she was gangbabged by 7 BBC and sucked multiple loads of cum out of isabellas prolapsed asshole That was also 4 tkts or smth.

We had weekly creampie to other girls mouth. I had an ongoing membership then. Now I have 200 tkts coz I refuse to buy bullshit.

[TheVulture]

Okay, we're going once again off topic, but here we go.
Well, to each his own, but I think that the large majority of LP customers like that aggressive, macho-like mood and style. I personally like manhandle a lot, but find it attractive and exciting only when it is liked and felt by both male and female performers. Otherwise, agree with you, it's something put on, a turn-off. I often criticised GG scenes with the Manhandle tag, because of exactly this impression of faked and put on. Me too don't see any sense by wrapping an arm around a woman's throat. Also very annoying to see Angelo slapping Nicole Love's face at the same pace, with the same intensity, without any words, like a robot: this is not what I intend with manhandle and is definitely not what I like to see. Take a look at Rocco Siffredi's footages: that's real manhandle, and it's great and exciting.

Some good points there and I wouldn't disagree with most of that. I agree that often with LP the throat-grabbing, face-slapping etc. is very robotic and passionless. I don't like to see it regardless but I agree that if it has a point and purpose then it's more worthwhile. I think it all ties in with the sense that often the guys on LP are punching the clock or even not really enjoying themselves.

I still watch a lot of old porn - particularly from Christoph Clark and Private of the noughties era - and what I really miss from those is the way the girls just sizzle out of the screen, especially during the intros. The LP girls are great but their whole demeanour seems a little more restrained. There's quite a strong predator/prey feel about Giorgio and Gonzo in particular and I think the girls realise they're a bit like flies in a spider's web or whatever. That doesn't mean they're not enjoying themselves or being exploited but the environment makes them know their place or whatever so not quite sizzle in the same way. You look at Christoph Clark telling a girl how beautiful she is and his camera excitedly exploring her body during a scene's intro and see the obvious reaction from an already horny girl. Then contrast that with Giorgio's much more abrupt and hierarchical conversational style (it's a bit like "OK you're here but I'm in charge") and the sight of his hand reaching to grab her throat. It's just different and I think that's a shame. I think Christoph C and Private's directors probably created a more equitable sex environment where the girls felt more relaxed and it showed from their demeanour. And as far as the guys were concerned, they seemed more relaxed and more into the sex than anything more peripheral (ie rough stuff or mind games). I just really miss that as there quite simply isn't really any porn made that way these days.

LP scenes are obviously very good in many ways. Super-hard and pushing the concept of anal porn to its limits with girls who are much more sexually adventurous than back then (although whether through appetite or necessity I'm not always sure). I just really wish I could watch the scenes without having to put up with some of the mind games and attritional battles that seem to be going on around the action. And with more of a feel of the girls being the focus of events and encouraged to radiate heat without being overpowered or at least doused by the guys. You pays your money and takes your choice. I'm still here so more fool me in some ways but I'm always going to bang the drum for LP to try to rekindle some of the passion and heat from those porn glory days.

[drevokocur66]

LP scenes are obviously very good in many ways. Super-hard and pushing the concept of anal porn to its limits.

Very few scenes are super hard and even fewer are pushing anything to its limits. Most are circus sex, half in and tip fucking cookie cutter replicas of each other. Insert different girl "here".

[grey00owl]

I'm always going to bang the drum for LP to try to rekindle some of the passion and heat from those porn glory days.

Agree with the most you say, especially about the lack of passion and the feeling of ejoyment.

[DPraved]

I'm always going to bang the drum for LP to try to rekindle some of the passion and heat from those porn glory days.

Agree with the most you say, especially about the lack of passion and the feeling of ejoyment.

I agree! I think Mike Angelo was much liked by most models, so that was a source of passion on LP in the past, but now a days it's mostly cookie-cutter scenes. Bring back the excitement! Pamper and encourage the models before the scenes and record it as BTS footage!

It's probably a result of bean-counting and quantity over quality where there are too few directors shooting too many scenes. They have optimized their workflow too far leading to check-list porn with different models.

[Lanos]

LP scenes are obviously very good in many ways. Super-hard and pushing the concept of anal porn to its limits.

Very few scenes are super hard and even fewer are pushing anything to its limits. Most are circus sex, half in and tip fucking cookie cutter replicas of each other. Insert different girl "here".

Yep. There is plenty of camera magic and circus to distract from the actual weak sex. To believe there are good TAP and sometimes even good DAP penetrations is naive.

[grey00owl]

LP scenes are obviously very good in many ways. Super-hard and pushing the concept of anal porn to its limits.

Very few scenes are super hard and even fewer are pushing anything to its limits. Most are circus sex, half in and tip fucking cookie cutter replicas of each other. Insert different girl "here".

Yep. There is plenty of camera magic and circus to distract from the actual weak sex. To believe there are good TAP and sometimes even good DAP penetrations is naive.

Maybe we have to make self-critique. We always ask for even harder porn, DAP, TAP, extreme Manhandle, extreme Pissing, Fisting, mega Gangbangs and now we get the result: hard, but soulless, joyless, mechanical porn. No, that's is definitely NOT what I like and want to see.

[dap-addict]

Maybe we have to make self-critique. We always ask for even harder porn, DAP, TAP, extreme Manhandle, extreme Pissing, Fisting, mega Gangbangs and now we get the result: hard, but soulless, joyless, mechanical porn. No, that's is definitely NOT what I like and want to see.

Self critic is good for sure, but...
...look, there is an established set of acts that define "LP" for years now and its sure no need to go below that set. Its mainly hard anal sex and wet and manhandle for those girls into trying out those side fetish moods.

Soulless mechanical porn sex has nothing to do with the sex acts presented, but the directors getting caught in shooting routine over the years, them taking a too easy road because users buy it anyway. Its us users to start with!

As for the price rise I have very mixed feelings. I sure want porn to stay profitable for the studios and I also remember xxx writing again and again also before pandemic that scenes were sold too cheap and especially gonzo was loosing with many scenes. That state can't be accepted ofc! At the same time I was just offered a MILF DAP for 200euro, which is x-times below any pre-covid going rate! Prices come down because girls simply wanna work and they can't travel much anymore. And if fees come down than also tkt prices should go down a bit, or at least not rise that much.

Another aspect about 11,4 tkts is that with subscription you can just buy 4 such scenes per month, which would be crazy little, indeed!

[Jocke]

For me a 1 on 1 is worth 3tkt
2 on 2 is worth 5tkt
3 on 3 is worth 7tkt
The Christmas special is worth 12tkt

You have to pay the performers and I very much prefer scenes with more than one girl.

[xxx]

For me a 1 on 1 is worth 3tkt
2 on 2 is worth 5tkt
3 on 3 is worth 7tkt
The Christmas special is worth 12tkt

You have to pay the performers and I very much prefer scenes with more than one girl.

1 on 1 = 3 but 10 vs 10 = 12? Sounds right... or not. You must be thinking the more performers we hire the cheaper they get.

[TheVulture]

You have to pay the performers and I very much prefer scenes with more than one girl.

1 on 1 = 3 but 10 vs 10 = 12? Sounds right... or not. You must be thinking the more performers we hire the cheaper they get.[/quote]

It's obviously difficult for me to view this from a director's perspective but as a consumer what the poster says is sensible. Using music as an analogy, if I buy a 7" vinyl single (yep they still exist) I'm likely to pay about £6 for 2 songs. If I buy an LP on vinyl, however, I'm looking at about £18 and this would be about 10-12 songs. Point is, it doesn't go up exponentially. You get some extra value built in for your extra spending.

Following your argument you're suggesting a 10 on 10 gangbang scene should cost 30 tickets - pretty much a month's subscription. If that is needed to cover your overheads then that's fine but I'm not sure you would get a whole lot of takers at that price.

[Jocke]

For me a 1 on 1 is worth 3tkt
2 on 2 is worth 5tkt
3 on 3 is worth 7tkt
The Christmas special is worth 12tkt

You have to pay the performers and I very much prefer scenes with more than one girl.

1 on 1 = 3 but 10 vs 10 = 12? Sounds right... or not. You must be thinking the more performers we hire the cheaper they get.

No, I am thinking that performers salaries are just one expense and that the cost of location, camera man, director, editing, etc is the same. Are you suggesting that your cost is proportional to the number of performers?

I also think that the Christmas Special sells in much larger numbers.

[MRA95]

For me a 1 on 1 is worth 3tkt
2 on 2 is worth 5tkt
3 on 3 is worth 7tkt
The Christmas special is worth 12tkt

You have to pay the performers and I very much prefer scenes with more than one girl.

1 on 1 = 3 but 10 vs 10 = 12? Sounds right... or not. You must be thinking the more performers we hire the cheaper they get.

Hello i am new to LP and wondered how many votes required for a scene to happen

[Ab.cad90210]

I’ve been here for 7+ years your guess is as good as mine.

[avanfurwet]

Hello i am new to LP and wondered how many votes required for a scene to happen

It doesn't work like that. Studios will invest in making a scene for their own reasons, usually because past sales statistics suggest it will be profitable for them.
They may take a calculated risk on a new model or a new genre or storyline. Always they're thinking "how many copies of this do I hope to sell, and at what price?".

This forum contains a noisy but tiny minority of fans, not all are even customers. Studios would be mad to take too much notice of "votes" in the forum.
We can make suggestions. Studios might listen. Sometimes they do listen. But it's their money that goes into making speculative new scenes so it's their call what they make.

[davebowman]

Any estimates as to how much this years Xmas gangbang is gonna cost? (that's assuming they actually manage to film one under current conditions).

[xxx]

Any estimates as to how much this years Xmas gangbang is gonna cost? (that's assuming they actually manage to film one under current conditions).

We will probably do something similar to last year, so around 15 tkt.

[Ab.cad90210]

Xmas 2018 - 9.5 tickets for 10 v 10 DAP 3h 25 min scene
2020 -15 tkts ie 50% increase OR same for 8 min OTS scene ie 5000%

[bake0213]

It wasn't long ago that the Christmas scene was a 2 ticket customer appreciation gift.

[shark1]

Yep, I think most here need to be realists. Even if every scene was 11.4, that would end up being $7.50 per scene(if you buy 1 month membership). Considering these scenes usually include gangbangs with pissing and hardcore DP but unfortunately tip fucking DAP as well, that is still a steal when you compare it to [spam] or clips4sale or modelhub where girls try to charge $15-20 for a regular anal scene - very boring. And many people buy their clips on those sites.

To say $7.50 for an hour long gangbang with hopefully lots of pissing and DP is too expensive is outrageous. I am beginning to wonder how many people on this site have minimum wage or slightly above minimum wage jobs. That is fine, but dont expect premium content to be priced cheaply so you can afford it all. That is like complaining you cant buy a BMW because all you can afford is a used Ford Focus. Is it more than we have been accustomed too, yes, but they have to pay girls more to shoot during a pandemic.

This site sells premium content, period! I would gladly pay 10-15 tickets each for cute girls I want to see in a piss gangbang. It costs $10-$20 per scene to download piss scenes of girls on other per scene sites. If you cant afford it, go to a site where you can pay $20-$30 for all content, download lots of less premium porn and enjoy your used Ford Focus.

[avanfurwet]

People don't need to be anything, although some could benefit from growing up.

Customers are crying because prices have risen by a lot, very fast. It's a shock.
It's rational for customers to compare current prices with what they can obtain elsewhere, and decide for themselves.
The producers and the clipstore have to calculate the risks & rewards of increasing prices. But they know the sales numbers, we don't.

The business will lose some customers who can't/won't pay, or may feel taken advantage of, or may just not like the content which is being made now.
Other customers may set limited budgets for spending on entertainment, and just buy less at higher prices.

Don't know if girls are paid more to shoot during the pandemic. Not my business.
But nobody is paying nurses, waitresses and shop workers more to go out to work in the pandemic.
I think performers should be paid well for their work, but the pandemic also brings recession and unemployment for customers and performers alike.

Ulltimately, market economics of supply and demand will set the performers' fees and the clips' selling prices.
Studios and customers will just pay what they are willing to pay.

[davebowman]

Sara Bell 3 man gangbang Gonzo scene today - 9.8 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/151499
3 man gangbang Gonzo scene from April this year - 4.4 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/64115

OK, so the new scene has a brief TAP attempt (though from the trailer it's tough to tell if the third cock ever actually gets inside to any depth), but over double the price?

[YumYum74]

Sara Bell 3 man gangbang Gonzo scene today - 9.8 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/151499
3 man gangbang Gonzo scene from April this year - 4.4 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/64115

OK, so the new scene has a brief TAP attempt (though from the trailer it's tough to tell if the third cock ever actually gets inside to any depth), but over double the price?

Simply don’t buy it.
I can live with a price increase but not one like this, so it’s an easy skip.

[ExtremePornFan]

Sara Bell 3 man gangbang Gonzo scene today - 9.8 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/151499
3 man gangbang Gonzo scene from April this year - 4.4 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/64115

OK, so the new scene has a brief TAP attempt (though from the trailer it's tough to tell if the third cock ever actually gets inside to any depth), but over double the price?

For me 9.8 tkt is $4.95
and 4.4 tks is $2.22
$2.22 is real cheap $4.95 is still a fair deal. Go to a clip site and see what a hour long gang bang including DAP with a girl that looks like Sara Bell costs. Good luck even finding something comparable.

[drevokocur66]

Sara Bell 3 man gangbang Gonzo scene today - 9.8 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/151499
3 man gangbang Gonzo scene from April this year - 4.4 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/64115

OK, so the new scene has a brief TAP attempt (though from the trailer it's tough to tell if the third cock ever actually gets inside to any depth), but over double the price?

Dry circus sex, easy skip at any price.

[Sir Noel]

Sara Bell 3 man gangbang Gonzo scene today - 9.8 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/151499
3 man gangbang Gonzo scene from April this year - 4.4 tickets https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/64115

OK, so the new scene has a brief TAP attempt (though from the trailer it's tough to tell if the third cock ever actually gets inside to any depth), but over double the price?

For me 9.8 tkt is $4.95
and 4.4 tks is $2.22
$2.22 is real cheap $4.95 is still a fair deal. Go to a clip site and see what a hour long gang bang including DAP with a girl that looks like Sara Bell costs. Good luck even finding something comparable.

I suppose the issue is that this has never really been a clip site but a site selling much greater numbers of scenes to a much greater number of people, not bespoke scenes that sell a few dozen or hundred copies. Comparing this site to every other regular porn site i can think of and it was already the most expensive. I must admit, i always look at clip sites and wondered why people paid the astronomical prices when the internet is aflood with good porn sites that will give you a hundred+ times as much material, legally and legitimately, for the same price as ONE single scene on some clip sites.
Now sure, as a clip site, where as a customer you may browse the thousands of scenes and buy two or three it is "cheap" per scene but that is a very different business model. I suppose it is evolving into a clip site and customers need to adjust that in their minds. Stop thinking about buying a decent percentage of released scenes and realise it may be only one in twenty, or one in fifty scenes you actually purchase. I have made that change in my mind now. I still buy scenes with tickets but probably buy 1/4 less scenes spending half as much cash as i did before.

[Jocke]

Any estimates as to how much this years Xmas gangbang is gonna cost? (that's assuming they actually manage to film one under current conditions).

We will probably do something similar to last year, so around 15 tkt.

I think that is a fair price. The Christmas Special is very special with a lot of performers, great BTS including some good fucking and even pissing. I still have in my mind the picture of the girls lining up five in a row to taste the pee!!!

As always, I am still hoping for all the girls in a row with gaping asses towards the camera pissing on the floor!

[davebowman]

I still buy scenes with tickets but probably buy 1/4 less scenes spending half as much cash as i did before.

Same here, which is why I think it's a legitimate topic to discuss, and not just people aimlessly 'whining'. I guess Legal Porno have done the math, and enough people are still consuming the same amount at the higher price to make this a good move, but I'm certainly passing on scenes I would otherwise have bought, with the result that I am spending a lot less overall than I was a year or even six months ago. I wouldn't have thought LP wants people to spend less money, but again - maybe fewer sales at a higher price is a better model for them now?

One possible suggestion - I've no idea if this would be practical - how about offering new scenes initially at a higher markup, so if you want to see them now then you need to pay an extra premium. Then as time goes by, prices of older scenes are reduced, say by 1 ticket every 6 months or something? Just an idea.

[ExtremePornFan]

One possible suggestion - I've no idea if this would be practical - how about offering new scenes initially at a higher markup, so if you want to see them now then you need to pay an extra premium. Then as time goes by, prices of older scenes are reduced, say by 1 ticket every 6 months or something? Just an idea.

I like the idea, or bulk catalog(over a year or what ever) scene sales like buy 20 and get 30% off. There is still 1000's old catalog scenes for very low prices and about 2000 for free.

[avanfurwet]

I still buy scenes with tickets but probably buy 1/4 less scenes spending half as much cash as i did before.

Same here, which is why I think it's a legitimate topic to discuss, and not just people aimlessly 'whining'. I guess Legal Porno have done the math, and enough people are still consuming the same amount at the higher price to make this a good move, but I'm certainly passing on scenes I would otherwise have bought, with the result that I am spending a lot less overall than I was a year or even six months ago. I wouldn't have thought LP wants people to spend less money, but again - maybe fewer sales at a higher price is a better model for them now?

One possible suggestion - I've no idea if this would be practical - how about offering new scenes initially at a higher markup, so if you want to see them now then you need to pay an extra premium. Then as time goes by, prices of older scenes are reduced, say by 1 ticket every 6 months or something? Just an idea.

Maybe only some longer-serving inmates who remember past prices are spending less?
Maybe we're outnumbered by enthusiastic new customers who are spending more?

FWIW, I agree with the concept of discounting scenes on a sliding scale over time.
I just think if they sell at only one high price point which never reduces, that just drives some people away so they never buy.
Hard to prove or disprove though without a large-scale trial, and it's not my skin in the game.

[drevokocur66]

Mostly holding on to my tickets for now. The new much higher price does not reflect any higher quality of content. Same old for much higher cost.

[ryukenmaster666]

Mostly holding on to my tickets for now. The new much higher price does not reflect any higher quality of content. Same old for much higher cost.

Same here. The new Anna Deville scene looks nice, but almost 10 tickets that is a bit too much (or, some might said we were spoiled before)

[zeusanalfreak299]

Guys, here is a great advice: Just don't buy this stuff for this (too) high price! And the situation will change after all.

[ExtremePornFan]

Remind you of anyone? Too expensive not enough cash in my fanny pack.

[dap-addict]

LOL!
Looks like Katrin Tequila @ IV but can't find that scene.
Can you guide me to it?
Ta!

[avanfurwet]

Interesting article here about a different content platform and their changing pricing policies.

[grey00owl]

LOL!
Looks like Katrin Tequila @ IV but can't find that scene.
Can you guide me to it?
Ta!

Here you are:
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/32901
Katrin here with a new (unsuitable) nose, but still with natural breasts. It really hurts me and fills me of sorrow to see what a stunning woman Katrin was and what she became with surgery, namely a caricature of herself.