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Postby Jocke » Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:14 am

Ofcourse its best if the performers really are enjoying all the action. But models are paid to act in front of them camera, perform good sex and being ok with doing stuff that doesnt neccesarily is something they enjoy. Porn is fantasy not a display of the models' personal sexlife.


I disagree.
I doubt there are performers that can act so well that I can't see if they enjoy it or not. I absolutely want to think that they are doing this for money and sex, not just for money. As soon as I suspect that they just pretend, my dick goes limp. I am always looking for scenes and actors that feel genuine.
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Postby dap-addict » Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:27 am

IndyPleco wrote:
dap-addict wrote:
biZZler wrote:Oh and if you still feel I'm pushing for vanilla scenes with this comment then you are really messed up in the head my friend.

Sb calling constantly for more pussy sex and included more pussy creampies @ LP is indeed calling for more vanilla because LP is an anal porn site. :mad:
Sb calling for harder or deeper or better DAPs, but accepting that LP is an anal porn site and wont produce pussy porn beyond the needed warm-up to get more DAP with certain girls. isn't pushing for vanilla. Now judge yourself which side you are on! :mad: ;)

Including more pussy does not make this site vanilla. This is a hardcore porn site above anything else and hardcore is not contingent on which hole is being fucked (see Jocke’s comment). Including pussy also doesn’t mean the ass is being ignored.

I sympathize that you can only get off on one niche. I can’t imagine what that’s like, and I won’t yuck your yums (though there’s probably a lot to unpack there in a reclining chair), but seeing as you refer to DP as vanilla I’m not convinced you still have a barometer for what is and isn’t hardcore.

Did I call DP as such vanilla porn?! :mad: :(
No, I didnt! Moreover I always stress that I do still buy and enjoy some DP as well, or I do buy them to support directors to get to the DAPbreakin' point with certain girls.
Here, however, we have another situation with biZZler and other pussy porn backlash posters: They call for more and more pussy sex and specially pussy sex only (pussy only or DVP) on an anal site. Anal site = any porn acts including anal sex, ie. anal, DP, DAP, TP (dap+p or dvp+anal), TAP.


Disclaimer: In other posts I do sometimes call a DP scene vanilla, but its based on a scene with a defined scene number. Its not about DP as such.
This said DP as such many other porn sites do offer, LP got that big thanks to wet and dry DAP, not thanks to DP!
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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:02 am

*ruspornfan*
What you write doesnt make any sense.

A bit of history: You refer to a group of models that belongs to a different period of time.
- lets say DVD time
and
- End of DVD, starting of internet

on DVD time was not the user to decide that model to purchase and support, but the director/distributor that rely on model from the next sources:
- 1 model agency in Prague
- 1 model agency in Budapest
- Some scouting in their own country, mostly for commercial purpose as its more easy to "sell" an italian model to italian customers, at least as main star of the movie.

At that time, the fortune of the model was based only on her personal relationship with producer/director/cameraman and of course distributor and clearly she needed to look good. It was not the audience to decide who works and who doesnt work.

Than is arrived internet and with internet many new agent popped out and so producer/director/websites. The last frontier was Saint Petersburg, so some producer ad agents decide to move to Russia to give a try, this on the top of Russian productions, that were dominating the teen market.

So, we were in Russia, getting new girls every week and clearly the agents wanted to bring the girls to Budapest and Prague. But the Russian producers were not happy about it and of course the Prague and Budapest based agency were not happy at all as well.
They fought this until they where forced to make a deal with who run the "import" as DVD industry collapsed and internet producers wanted new girls, only new girls.

For many years you do not see the same model more than 2-3 time on a website, in a time lapse of about 2 years. Website owners was not interest to "make stars", but the only interest was "fresh meet", specially because they pay the model less than a established model
This is the reason why the last model you can really call "star" retired already 6-7 years ago.

I can name you many models that did not work for LP and still they are death/unknown sucking dicks in a brothel in Russia for (30$/h) just after 2-3 years since they started to perform.

The true is that most websites are not interest to create stars, but just to have new girls, maybe they shoot few more scenes with the real top girls when they are still cheap, but good girls do not get anything more than few scenes. on the top of this, many websites are giving up as the content are too generic to be really interesting.

And here you arrive to the point of LP and high quantity production. If we can not offer large amount of scenes, we will not have 1/2 of the models we shoot, they just turn definitively to escort at the first opportunity.
In fact "small producers" are death or they struggle. Since the testing system is more expensive (about 10 months), many male performer retired and there are many active female models that got tested only when they have a scheduled package of scenes (for one scene they do not even get tested as it is not even worth most of the time).

On the top of this, I can add that agents are not working as agents anymore (meaning they do not care to contribute to create a star and keep working with the same model on long term), but they just work as call center for schedule new girls. So the girls are left alone just after entering the industry.
And here some of them start with their own production (OF, MV) and some of them makes very interesting money (good models can make up to $5.000-$10.000 /month some goes over $20.000/month), but they rely on porn website to became well known as they do not want invest in promotion to increase popularity.
Consequence is that many good models are totally unknown, they do not make enough money on the second year of their career and they left or perform erratic.
And here LP stands again, providing shootings on long term, dozen of scenes while competitor forget the model after the second or third scene.

You can add that for euro models the USA is not profitable anymore, if you search I wrote already about this.

So, bottom line is that LP is able to really help the model to gain popularity and of course money, more than anyone else. Many girls do not want even to perform for other website or make a tour in Budapest. Whats the reason to spend 8 days in Budapest, working only 4-5 scenes, mostly Vaginal or Lesbo, maybe one anal and one DP?
Its not even worth as they have to pay travel, accommodation, agency fee, food, medical test... they came to LP for 1 week, only pay the food and sometime medical test and make much more money.
And if its anal or NoPussy, and the dap is soon or later mandatory, they simply do it as its worth.

I find totally stupid to think Im obsessed with NoPussy when it is not me to decide but "you" audience what I shoot. I simply take care to check my personal statistic and report that helps me to understand what sells better.
On the top of this NoPussy content is a niche exploited basically only at LP, so this is the reason why of the success.

Porn can be "vanilla" also with anal, this is not the matter. The matter is DP sells well only under few important conditions that not all models are able to achieve, this is why NoPussy makes it more easy.

Model do enjoy porn sometimes, but the matter is not if anal or vaginal, the matter is the environment, you watch a video that is meant to be fiction. Some model do it better, some worse, some have a good time, some have not a good time but still looks good in the video as she has fun.
I could probably point you, in the list of your favorite scene, several performer that did not enjoy at all the shooting, but this is totally normal. this is how it is since the beginning of this industry.
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Re: Vixen, Blacked and Tushy swooping up all the young EU babes

Postby Lotto » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:36 am

biZZler wrote:Hardcore, at least according to me is proper rough fucking and it is definitely not what we get with the tip fucking DAP that we mostly see on LP these days. Personally I'm a fan of anal, I'm a fan of Vaginal, I'm a fan of DP, but I don't see DAP as hardcore at all, at least not with most of the girls here. Yes, there are some girls who can take rough DAP, but there aren't enough of these scenes to go around.

And where do you find the porn that is hardcore under your definition? Don't tell me it's on Hard X, starring two tipfucking buddies Markus Dupree and Mick Blue.
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Postby biZZler » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:45 pm

Lotto wrote:And where do you find the porn that is hardcore under your definition? Don't tell me it's on Hard X, starring two tipfucking buddies Markus Dupree and Mick Blue.


Hmm if I could find better scenes elsewhere, I wouldn't be wasting my time here now would I?
LP is of course the best hardcore studio out there, but it's just sad to see that most of their scenes these days are 0% pussy crap, DAP and piss which I don't find enjoyable at all. Before they had more DP and rough sex scenes, with many good euro models which was far more enjoyable. I just want things to go back.
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Postby Hotflash » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:25 pm

Giorgio, one thing you don't speack about is the piracy.

Nowadays, a lot of shooting are close to be on the net before they are sold.

Legalporno is very active to pursuit tha pirats.

It is also the company which delivers the most "free" scenes as "promotion" of the site.

Do you suffer less from piracy than others producers with this politic ?

On your site , it is written that you ask to shoot 14 scenes at least for a girl under contract.

Does it mean that we have 6 to go for Sofi Smile ? :eek:

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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:30 pm

Hotflash wrote:Giorgio, one thing you don't speack about is the piracy.

Nowadays, a lot of shooting are close to be on the net before they are sold.

Legalporno is very active to pursuit tha pirats.

It is also the company which delivers the most "free" scenes as "promotion" of the site.

Do you suffer less from piracy than others producers with this politic ?

On your site , it is written that you ask to shoot 14 scenes at least for a girl under contract.

Does it mean that we have 6 to go for Sofi Smile ? :eek:


I do not have any special agreement with Sofi Smile

Piracy is a problem for everyone, but when on the top of the piracy a website gives for free 12-14 minutes of a scene released 2 months ago, than we will have some websites that will not make it. Consider how many free porn you can find around, specially how many vaginal scenes for free. If you just need to jerk off you do not buy porn.
Porn, imho, is now entertainment, more than a way to jerk off, and this bring only who makes entertainment to survive (and of course websites that provide content in very small niches). LP provides entertainment, there are no doubt about it. So do Vixen, Blacked and Tushy, Brazzers, Bangbross and many others (the big fishes). Small producers usually continue to do what they were doing 20 years without to consider they do not sell because their content sucks compared to what is available now.
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Postby Mizar5 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:44 pm

fascinating discussion, illuminated by Giorgio Grandi, who is more generous with the kind of industry-insider info & context he shared than is probably warranted, especially considering some of the other comments.

i might buy a scene here and there from the Tushy/Blacked, etc., stable, IF they offered the ability to buy tickets like LP does, i.e., scenes on a one-off basis. But they don't offer that, and since I find only about 10%-20% or fewer scenes of their scenes worthy of the kind of hardcore eroticism that I look for, I don't bother. Doesn't matter which "stars" they get. For me, Tushy/Blacked is mostly low-wattage nude modeling.

Same with the Gamma XEMPIRE, which for me has an even lower success rate in terms of hardcore magnetism, while offering only memberships and no individual buys.

I don't buy anything from Mindf*ck Group's labels because the only time I've been ripped off by a porn company, it was the Quebec company, MG that did it. Donc, va te faire foutre, MG. Va fangool.

The explosion of "content" by "creators" on sites like MV, C4S, IWC & others is mostly ridiculous, amateurish POV with a stationary camera and a stunted imagination. If that kind of pitiful docu-porn is any indication, then there soon will be no overpopulation problem in the western hemisphere.
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Postby Sir Noel » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:50 pm

Comparing Tushy/Tushyraw to LegalPorno is interesting because the differences are not as clear cut as you would think. The obvious differential would be that the Tushy sites are less "hardcore" but have higher production (better and more varied sets, lighting, camerawork etc). However in reality it is more complicated.
It is true that the Lansky/Tushy sites have some wonderful sets, they have little plots etc but for all the production pluses I am amazed how many of their scenes look awful. Often the lighting is abysmal with incredibly strong colour casts. You only have to compare the photosets to the video images to see just how terrible they are. I actually correct most of the scenes i download from their sites myself in Premiere and ten minutes work (and an hours encoding) makes a world of difference. LP always produce crisp, usually well lit and neutrally lit scenes. Amazing that LP areso much better than the supposed higher production value site in this.
Then on the other end of the scale, the supposedly more hardore LP is a lot more prudish than Tushy (and more prudish than just about any other website) about how it portrays anal sex. Everything has to be scrupulously clean here, whereas ironically the "glamcore" Tushy sites (Tushyraw especially) don't have a giant alarm that goes off in the studio whenever anal sex gets the tiniest bit messy. Anal sex can get a but dirty there, as can creampies. Again, the total opposite of what you would expect.

Now if you could combine the good of both you would have an AMAZING site.

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Postby Jocke » Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:26 pm

Thank you Giorgio for sharing insights to the business (I hate to call it industry because it implies repetition)

Porn, imho, is now entertainment, more than a way to jerk off, and this bring only who makes entertainment to survive


I wouldn't look at porn for any other reason than arousement and when I am aroused I jerk off. I don't understand what you mean with entertainment?

It is true for me that my requirements and taste have developed over the years. I started jerking off to Playboy/Penthouse many years ago but just beautiful pictures of naked women doesn't do it for me any longer, I want hard core and innovation/variation. I get the best hard core (gaping and pissing) at LP, then I complement with variation from PornHub Premium. What I wish for the future is more innovative hard core. I don't know if Tushy, Jules Jordan or someone else will become nastier first (in a positive way) or if you will test more innovation? You could come from both directions to get innovative nastiness.

I have many ideas how to take LP to the next level but of course, I don't know if it will sell. One thing I believe in is to create tension between the daily non sex life and the extreme sex you create, rather than making it more extreme. For instance, the pissing in the shower at the end of Jessica's scene is more arousing because you feel that they are willing to do this beyond filming a scene. "Public" piss drinking is very hot too. However Tainster go all overboard in my opinion when they have these glammed up girls pissing on each other. No one can relate to that upper class environment and clothes. Rather an ordinary Czech teenager in jeans willing to take a piss drink in a phone booth.

The interviews of Veronica Leal and Veronica Avluv while they were watching and commenting their scene was great. This could be expanded further. Why not have an overlay of sound where the girls comment the actions and how it felt? It could be a short snip of the most intense moment.
And why not sometimes have the girl introduce the scene: "Today I am going to be fucked in the ass by these three guys and then we will try a DAP. Then I will have the guys come in my ass at the same time. I will then squeeze out the cum and mix with my own pee before I drink it. Would you like to see that?"
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Postby biZZler » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:28 pm

Jocke wrote:Then I will have the guys come in my ass at the same time. I will then squeeze out the cum and mix with my own pee before I drink it. Would you like to see that?"

Not at all! How can anyone enjoy this crap?
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Postby Jocke » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:35 pm

biZZler wrote:
Jocke wrote:Then I will have the guys come in my ass at the same time. I will then squeeze out the cum and mix with my own pee before I drink it. Would you like to see that?"

Not at all! How can anyone enjoy this crap?
What will you ask for next, eating shit? :eek:


You may not be aware but there are several LP scenes with this content and they are amazing. I don't need to ask for it, it is provided and I buy it every time. Why don't you focus on your own fetishes instead?

There is a dirty anal thread which I don't subscribe to. I don't want to see it, ever. However I will not enter that thread to tell the other guys that they are crazy. If dirty anal is their fetish, it is none of my business and I don't want to destroy their pleasure.
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Postby Hotflash » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:21 am

To end my conversation, i just want to say that today LP is the only site where i buy porn.

I like gang bangs, orgy, fantasy, dp.

I really think that today LP is the best for me BUT, i think they could do better.

Ok, DAP is what pays the best, consumers choose...

I have nothing against it even if it is not what i'm looking for.

I will buy more scenes like orgies including models where their beauty and pleasure ( real or fake ) are shown in priority with a good scenario.

Then DP ( even dap sometimes ) but personnaly i regret and don't buy the no pussy or piss drinking.

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Postby keeddy » Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:36 am

vnhaln52 wrote:One thing is for sure... LP hasn't had a spectacular girl in quite some time. Take away all the super skinny plain girls, implant girls, and girls full of tattoos and there won't be any models left. Its been a long time since LP had a truly gorgeous girl that looks like Lucie Wilde, Viola Bailey, Sensual Jane, Shione Cooper, Cayernne Klein, or Candy Alexa.


I couldn't agree more.

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Postby mastercloth » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:41 pm

keeddy wrote:
vnhaln52 wrote:One thing is for sure... LP hasn't had a spectacular girl in quite some time. Take away all the super skinny plain girls, implant girls, and girls full of tattoos and there won't be any models left. Its been a long time since LP had a truly gorgeous girl that looks like Lucie Wilde, Viola Bailey, Sensual Jane, Shione Cooper, Cayernne Klein, or Candy Alexa.


I couldn't agree more.


You 2 just like fat pigs, 2019 and early 2020 was full of gorgeous young newbies.

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Postby MaxJ » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:30 am

Cayenne Klein, Shione Cooper, Lucie Wilde and Viola Bailey are fat to you??'? :mad:

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