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Giorgio Grandi wrote:And I want to add this:
I would love to shoot BG vaginal and lesbo full of fingering and kisses. Less stress, less people to handle, less bullshits in general and my dick every time hard (the more important), but this wont pay my bills.

StarGrek597 wrote:What I am saying is exploit all the package, all what a woman has to offer. I am not saying no to hardcore action, on the contrary I encourage rhythm as a part of hardcore passion but at least perform sexual actions which makes these girl respond and bring them to orgasms.

StarGrek597 wrote:Do not haste to make conclusions about me because I can assure you I know a lot about hardcore sex. I have done a lot more than watching porn in my life. I am aware of many of the directors work, a long time before they gather to LP, I know Giorgio when he was still working for Pinko, I have seen first Sineplex Extreme Hardcore title "Hardcore Climax" which was shot with all-American female cast btw and had FFMM foursomes with many DPs. I often praised LP directors work in the recent past in ADT for their technical ability to realize elaborated DP positions. I did the same for the male talent and I took the distance from Kink, who although were performing hardcore scenes they still manage to create a certain level of eroticism via passionate gestures and energy. In the beginning LP was different, scenes were balanced, they were many different genre combinations FFMM, FFM, MMF, several different positions, girls were enjoying a lot more the scenes and seemed to have real orgasms a lot more frequent than now.

Although women do not have prostate can experience pleasure from anal penetration if is performed in the right way, with the proper dick and in the right position. DP again is an extreme hardcore action indeed but it is still very pleasureful (again if performed right with the proper dick) and many well known porn starlets who have done it have stated that they loved its feeling (Keisha Grey, Angel White, Lisa Ann, Valentina Nappi, Bobbi Starr, Aidra Fox etc etc etc even new starlets who did it expressed the same opinion like Lana Rhoades). Well it is a matter of female anatomy and you can actually do it with your own fingers. Many adult directors know that too, even from hardcore erotica specialized companies, like Marc Dorcel, Tushy, Blacked, Private and Digital Playground. That is why they include it in their repertoire. I am sure that all LP directors know also and this is why they initially invested in it.

StarGrek597 wrote:But now things in LP got a lot different. DP and simple anal as hardcore acts, or scenes with more women than men are considered too "vanilla" for LP and tend to extinct. Almost 90% of LP scenes contain at least two guys rubbing their dicks together. And not in just a small portion of the scene but in the biggest part of it.

Although being an adult female performer doesnt necessarily mean you will enjoy your time in the set, many of them actually do, because sex itself is about pleasure and enjoyment. Some of the girls even fulfill their fantasies in porn sets and there is a number of them who are so busy that their sexual life is actually limited on them. But DAP, TAP and extreme anal practice is NOT a pleasureful sexual action and is NOT even included in the fantasy of the girls. It is a very risky sexual action and although the anal ring is elastic, many veteran starlets who have overrated their anal capabilities can tell you otherwise. I can reference many articles about how harmful it is but I do not want only to focus on that. DAP, TAP are acts some girls do in order to satisfy a certain audience and win more money. European porn industry today is seriously fucked up and these poor starlets don't have anywhere else to go so they do these acts in order to survive. In US most of the girls have a lot more options and dont need to risk their bodily integrity and their reputation to get this money. Some of them they try it just for the experience and they realize is not worth it.

But the greatest crime that happens here is not that. Is about the pornographic conscience of the people who are gradually addicted in the over-extreme action. They give so much priority to the extreme anal sex and the asshole itself that forget everything else about the woman. These viewers eventually loose the sense of a WOMAN. There is nothing more amazing in God's creation than a beautiful and sexy woman. A woman is a sexual garden full of juicy fruits which are just craving to be consumed. Her lips, her eyes, her neck, her hands, her breasts, her nipples, her abs, her legs, her feet, her ass, her pussy. That pussy of hers is what makes her a woman, so it needs to be worshiped, should not be neglected. Lick her pussy, finger her pussy make her feel like a woman. Make her respond make her take active part into the action. Kissing is not a romantic action, kissing is a natural aphrodisiac and helps the sexual pair to create chemistry. Eroticism and intimacy should not be banned from a hardcore scene but should blend creatively with Intensiveness and the nastiness and elevate the heat. Vaginal sex also is not a sin, some girls have beautiful pussies and they look so nice stuffed, as their pussy petals surround the cock.

What I am saying is exploit all the package, all what a woman has to offer. I am not saying no to hardcore action, on the contrary I encourage rhythm as a part of hardcore passion but at least perform sexual actions which makes these girl respond and bring them to orgasms.




as a woman is COMPLETELY gone.
Many adult viewers here seem to care about her asshole and nothing else.

teammelee15 wrote:"i'm telling you ... LP's style is condemned to disappear"

^^ I was watching Jimmy Kimbel the other night and he said something about why do they still make porn when their is like so much out there already. I just laughed and said ya but 98% of it is garbage! Porn imo has a LONG ways to go! LP is driving it in the right direction but falls short of really pushing the envelope. I keep seeing these topics start up "Say no to Zero pussy" Etc. and I dont get it? Go somewhere else and DL your porn. Go to evil angel if thats what you want shit it's sure as hell is a lot cheaper then LP. Why linger around these forums bitching about a site that caters to those of us wanting this style of porn? I just dont get it there is literately a billion + hours of whatever it is that you are seeking when there is only a handful of the extreme good stuff from LP Which BTW is the ONLY site out there in the whole world that caters to it. It would be like going on VIPISSYS forum and bitching about scenes to have no piss in them. As far as LP being all fantasy and not real life speak for yourself man some of us love this stuff and live out this stuff. GTFO already.

StarGrek597 wrote:Vaginal sex also is not a sin, some girls have beautiful pussies and they look so nice stuffed, as their pussy petals surround the cock.

Baiken wrote:LP's style is condemned to disappear ! soon or later ! People will be anesthetized ! This trivialization is a cancer !

hjohjole wrote:

Baiken wrote:LP's style is condemned to disappear ! soon or later ! People will be anesthetized ! This trivialization is a cancer !

Baiken wrote:LP's style is condemned to disappear !

StarGrek597 wrote:Well thanks baiken at least there are some people here with whom I can actually discuss. You seem to be brave and have a wider porn perspective. Porn extremists are tend to be quite nasty talkers. The problem is that they cannot accept that someone else might have different pornographic preferences from them and they feel threaten from his opinion. I am not even sure if they actually understand what they are watching. I mean where the porn ends and when the real life begins.

Sorry people I cannot find any aesthetic to these dick rubbing acts (DAP, TAP etc) no matter how hard Giorgio and his fellow directors work, trying to present it as good. There are a lot of reasons about that but only the concept itself of denying the pleasure a woman can have from a regular DP act for example, in favor of some people who like these extremities, it kills me.

I am not saying LP to let completely all this acts, it would be stupid. Good or bad they have already build this kind of audience and now they have to feed it. I am just saying to give same spear room for some quality porn again in order to save hardcore passion in Europe and make these poor female souls expose their sensual personality and not feel like stuffed turkeys.

I also appreciate Giorgo Grandi's deeper and I really believe he had and still has a lot of potential as a real porn artist and creator. I just feel that he is somehow chained from the burden of his job, trying to answer the ever demanding appetite of the LP extreme audience for more and more meat.

StarGrek597 wrote:@teammelee:
I said that I do not like these certain acts I didnt say that I do not like the other kind of hardcore sex LP used to shoot or is capable of shooting. I just believe that Giorgio Grandi and LP in general needs to focus their creativity in something more sexual at the same time, without losing their hardcore identity. These DAP scenes have become repetitive. When 90% of the scenes of an adult company are concerning a certain only "sexual" genre is never a good thing. It is too much. It is really too much. But I don't expect you to understand because you are stuck with it.

There will be enough European girls who will still agree to do these acts but there are even more girls who wouldn't agree to go that far and it is pity that a company like LP cannot attract them because of that detail. There is a very old scene 4 years ago, with a girl called Abby or Anjelica. https://www.legalporno.com/watch/27055/ ... _anal_353_ It is the oldest best seller scene in the site with more than 3M views. It is a regular MMF DP scene. The girl is very pretty and the DPs were committed and captured excellently in all positions. I can assure you that even today the energy, the engineering and the overall capture of some of the DP positions which were portrayed in that scene are not easy to be replicated by any director in the world. This demonstrated the technical possibilities of Giorgio Grandi. Imagine what he could do if he added some eroticism too.

StarGrek597 wrote:Folks, you have no idea how much harm this company is causing to European models, to European porn industry and furthermore to the consciousness of porn audience. How many beautiful girls allured by them and trapped themselves in the extremity of their content. They physically harmed themselves (Arwen Gold needs a diapers) and they have rotted their sexual identity. They are getting stigmatized as extreme performers and not being able to get hired almost anywhere else.
The LP audience are pressing the girls for more and more over-extreme sex, the production is trying to respond, sacrificing the poor girls in the name of DAP, TAP or whatever crap, which are totally unerotic, highly homosexual, very dangerous, degrading and completely pleasureless. And when the girls are turning to something less extreme (but still hardcore) which they can actually do and get pleasure from (Anal, DP) the same spoiled audience do not approve it because they consider it "vanilla". One day the girls realize that they were seen as giant assholes, not as women or adult performers.

visigoth2020111 wrote:StarGrek597
first they aren't models they are whores some are sweet Whores

second they choose to work for LP knowing that they must perform in such a manner
and no one is kidnapping or pointing a gun to their head

third this scene are being made cause we want them and cause LP wants to make money
so obviously they must satisfy our needs

four this models don't give a fuck about you or us or the producers, if it where up to
them they would just show your their panties and take your money and on to the next
herb, thanks to LP who makes them work hard for their money( so we think, when is all a
game to them)

you are like a boyfriend whom wants to retain his girl at all cost
when all she wants its to leave you for the next guy
whom she has already fuck and like it
to the point of love

are you heart broken?

visigoth2020111 wrote:first they aren't models they are whores some are sweet Whores

second they choose to work for LP knowing that they must perform in such a manner
and no one is kidnapping or pointing a gun to their head

third this scene are being made cause we want them and cause LP wants to make money
so obviously they must satisfy our needs

four this models don't give a fuck about you or us or the producers, if it where up to
them they would just show your their panties and take your money and on to the next
herb, thanks to LP who makes them work hard for their money( so we think, when is all a
game to them)

you are like a boyfriend whom wants to retain his girl at all cost
when all she wants its to leave you for the next guy
whom she has already fuck and like it
to the point of love

are you heart broken?

visigoth2020111 wrote:this models as some of you call them
are fucking whores and the more the merrier
we want to heard them scream, there ass fuck to oblivion the pussy penetrated as a gift
mouth fuck to degradation there face expression asking for forgiveness.
and to our amazement wen all is done and the so call punish er are exhausted
from that evil whore, she happily gets up and continued her day as if nothing has happened
fucking whores fuck them all, and that is what they all want.
will never win

visigoth2020111 wrote:StarGrek597
first they aren't models they are whores some are sweet Whores

second they choose to work for LP knowing that they must perform in such a manner
and no one is kidnapping or pointing a gun to their head

third this scene are being made cause we want them and cause LP wants to make money
so obviously they must satisfy our needs

four this models don't give a fuck about you or us or the producers, if it where up to
them they would just show your their panties and take your money and on to the next
herb, thanks to LP who makes them work hard for their money( so we think, when is all a
game to them)

you are like a boyfriend whom wants to retain his girl at all cost
when all she wants its to leave you for the next guy
whom she has already fuck and like it
to the point of love

are you heart broken?

xxx wrote:And I want to point out something important : we (the LP crew) don't push models to shoot hard scenes. You (the people who buy scenes) do.

pornlover_holland wrote:Nice to hear from an insider like you that lots of models are willing to shoot for LP. That means that many models like what LP does. Unfortunately there are always people on this website and other message boards who tell a different story. But you as an insider must know how it really is.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:So, the point is that to shoot another DP with Stella (at least in the economy of my production) makes me in competition not only with the other content on LP and with pirated content, but also with legal content uploaded by website owners as promotional material (and here we are, video quality is pretty good and I can stream with 1 click).
Ok, you can tell me that I can shoot it better, but it doesnt really make the difference imho

This is the reason why I would not shoot a DP with Stella as well, to shoot a DAP (it doesnt matter if the first or the last) makes me deal with a market of hungry customers and less competition.

HwtOxc8K wrote:

Giorgio Grandi wrote:And I want to add this:
I would love to shoot BG vaginal and lesbo full of fingering and kisses. Less stress, less people to handle, less bullshits in general and my dick every time hard (the more important), but this wont pay my bills.

Shoot one for April Fools next year. Then all of a sudden the action breaks it's the usual LP craziness. That should pay the bills.

magizi87 wrote:In my perhaps incomplete perspective of porn things, most girls although pretty, are not beautiful enough to cherry pick what to shoot and what to skip.
I'm thinking most just keep their schedules busy with whatever offer becomes available.

That's what I want to believe and how I explain to myself on the subject of why so many girls were doing the pissing scenes back in the day.
In my opinion LP traded pissing for dap to compensate the revenue lost in the pissing market.
Which personally I prefer dap over pissing without a second thought.
But if you go back to some 3 years ago, dap was a thing, but not a daily thing.

What I'm trying to say is that the girls don't really have a choice to skip dap. Because they stop being relevant to producers and fans.
That's not a smart business choice.

geralt_ wrote:Well that I find a bit problematic, I do like girls who choose to have extreme sex on camera. But feeling as if they have no choice than to do dap is kinda well wrong.

petermc934 wrote: I watch mainly anal porn and LP used to shoot that pretty well but, as LP are not using big porn stars, they will not sell enough as Mike Adriano, Jules Jordan etc purely shooting anal with unknown euro girls.