Brazzers Scandal

[Iddaoeeok]

Porn is gradually moving in a more and more extreme product. Its why most guys watch LP. Is it any surprise that girls are being abused or treated roughly on porn sets?

I don't believe it's 'why most guys watch LP' but there are undoubtedly quite a few people who use the LP forum who are interested in seeing porn, and LP, get rougher and more extreme - check the Painful Anal or Screaming! Real Reactions! thread for one. Which is why this particular thread turning up on the LP forum seems a trifle ironic.

[stardusterX]

considering all the secrecy in this world has been revealed at one point, i would be surprised if this so called scandal scene were to remain the one and only thing that would not get released at all...

[Kriss1986]

Society see porn-job as "one way only and no way back" activity. Because of that, girls are discouraged to oppose and rarely refuse to do something (what they don't want) on scene, since they risks to lost engaging (current one, but also in future) and they know that fact they have already entered the porn-industry usually is an obstacle in other spheres, thus search for a (other) job. Such position is wittingly misused by some people in the porn business (I will not mention known examples, many were cited on forum).

I don't like this, but that is how it is like now.

Very well said.

Yet the default reply of porn fans on forums such as these remains "The girl knows what she is signing up to".

Had anyone posted online about the Isobel Ice scene at the time (which I haven't seen, although Isobel was a fantastic porn babe) they would have been met with a volley of "The girl knows what she is signing up to".

Unfortunately that is the way of things and until more people speak out we're unlikely to see much change in the porn industry, which over the last 10 years or so appears to have become more male dominant, macho and brutish.

What's probably needed is a union for female porn stars, perhaps founded and run by former female porn stars. These may even exist, I have no idea (although would tend to doubt it).

Sorry but I don't understand purpose of your statement. The main theme was case of attack Tonny T. on Nikki Benz during the scene. I bet in scenario and deal wasn't nothing about assault and attempt of rape. So I really don't undersand what are you talking about? It has nothing to do with this particular case. It is a huge difference between acting - even if include male domination and rapiest behaviour when girl clearly said NO.

[Pimp84]

Porn producer Tony T is fired from Brazzers after what happened

[Kriss1986]

Porn producer Tony T is fired from Brazzers after what happened

ZZ did it to save face. Anyway in my opinion it was a good step. This huge company don't want to be associated with rapist behaviour so it was the best solution to kick off Tonny T. and said "we do not have anything to do with it".

[laird.cameltown]

So is this going to bring to an end people on here trotting out standard lines like "She knew what she was signing up for" etc. in defence of poor male on screen behaviour?

Fallacy.

She apparently yelled "cut". Obviously, whatever happened in the scene was not what she signed up for. And nobody that I've seen on this site has supported anything like that.

[stardusterX]

considering she did not do any dp although she said in the beginning of 2016 that it would be the year for her to do the dp,,, and afterall this, i am not sure if she will be up to her words, guess we will wait and see what happens

[avanfurwet]

Hope Nikki Benz is healing and moving on with her life and her career. Can't be easy to come back after such a traumatic experience.

[Kriss1986]

Hope Nikki Benz is healing and moving on with her life and her career. Can't be easy to come back after such a traumatic experience.

I'm really wondering how it was/will be managed by ZZ. Nikki was one of the main stars and "spoke person" for this company. It's really shame that has happened to her :/.

[Alan2008]

Now both Tony T and Ramon Nomar are counter-suing for defamation so it wasn't just Tony T that was accused. Forum guys - most of you are like a "kangaroo court". You have found someone guilty based on the rough sex movies that he shot before. I cannot believe that you actually watch porn from this forum with the comments that you make. To be brutally honest TAP etc., in my opinion is much rougher than what Tony T along with another LP veteran Joachim Kessef "did to" Isobel Ice.

[avanfurwet]

Now both Tony T and Ramon Nomar are counter-suing for defamation so it wasn't just Tony T that was accused. Forum guys - most of you are like a "kangaroo court". You have found someone guilty based on the rough sex movies that he shot before. I cannot believe that you actually watch porn from this forum with the comments that you make. To be brutally honest TAP etc., in my opinion is much rougher than what Tony T along with another LP veteran Joachim Kessef "did to" Isobel Ice.

Counter-suing seems to be a standard legal tactic in USA. Doesn't point towards either side being in the right. Just a negotiating angle. And we'll never know whether the "raw footage" being touted by the alleged offender has been edited. He claims Mindgeek didn't investigate before firing him, they claim they did, etc. etc.

Re-reading this thread I can't see any evidence of people finding anyone guilty in a "kangaroo court". Just comments that the alleged offender has a lot of previous form. Other actresses have since come forward and made allegations about him, reported here.

Which raises the question why Brazzers continued to hire him, and James Deen, etc. etc. IMO Brazzers know they are not going to come out of this well, hence the "Brazzers support Nikki" PR smokescreen, and their haste to throw the alleged offender under a bus.

Your opinion, that TAP etc. is much rougher than scenes of simulated (or possibly real, who knows?) violent rough sex (maybe rape) being performed on film, seems controversial and debatable. Personally I'm not a fan of either, but I've seen no evidence in any (edited final version) LP scenes of TAP to prompt suspicions that any girls were unwilling or coerced, or that the act was performed suddenly or violently with the intention of causing or maximising her discomfort. Have you?

There are multiple documented allegations of rape and violence against male performers/producers in the USA. I'm not aware of any such allegations concerning TAP. Are you?

[Alan2008]

Well I cannot understand how a female director like Belladonna would hire a "rapist" (ie Tony T) to be in her movies especially towards the later part of his career. It is also natural to get sympathy from other co-stars when these kinds of accusations are made. I am keeping an ope mind on this.

NikkiBenz has accused Ramn Nomar as well as Tony-T. I guess if NikkiBenz came to LP and did a TAP scene we might get a similar accusations flying round. I would advise all male performers to keep away from NikkiBenz for the time being at least.

[avanfurwet]

Well I cannot understand how a female director like Belladonna would hire a "rapist" (ie Tony T) to be in her movies especially towards the later part of his career.

I don't either. I don't understand why anyone would hire James Deen. But they do.

It is also natural to get sympathy from other co-stars when these kinds of accusations are made. I am keeping an ope mind on this.

Yes, but where are the male stars speaking up in support for their colleagues? Surely all male directors/performers are vulnerable to lurid allegations from female pornstars.

NikkiBenz has accused Ramn Nomar as well as Tony-T. I guess if NikkiBenz came to LP and did a TAP scene we might get a similar accusations flying round.

Really?

I would advise all male performers to keep away from NikkiBenz for the time being at least.

Hmmmm.

Underlying this drama is the bigger issue that (especially newbie) porn girls can be intimidated by unscrupulous producers and agents into "shut up and take it or you'll never work again".

Problem with this case is we don't know all the facts and it's down to "he said, she said".
Yes, it's possible that Nikki is making a drama for her own reasons. But that doesn't seem to be in her interests as a 10+ year porn veteran to put her career on the line.

IMO it's suspicious that it took Tony T and his lawyers nearly a month to come out with his "raw footage".
Brazzers' prompt action in claiming they'd investigated and then firing Tony T also weighs in evidence, since they're subject to counter-suit.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[mistress_cindy2008]

NikkiBenz has accused Ramn Nomar as well as Tony-T. I guess if NikkiBenz came to LP and did a TAP scene we might get a similar accusations flying round. I would advise all male performers to keep away from NikkiBenz for the time being at least.

How does this compare to a TAP scene when it isn't about the sex acts........ her accusation was Tony continued the scene when she asked that it be stopped (multiple times). It isn't about the sex acts as she agreed to them all before the scene. She is claiming she needed them to stop and they ignored her..... which, if true would be assault or rape. Tony has countered by saying he has the tape and it shows this did not happen.

[mistress_cindy2008]

Underlying this drama is the bigger issue that (especially newbie) porn girls can be intimidated by unscrupulous producers and agents into "shut up and take it or you'll never work again".

This is, and always has been since the explosion of gonzo scenes, a major issue. Guys do this if a girl asks to use a condom (there is a well known male who does TS scenes who has used that threat many times when new TS models ask him to use a condom), or if in the middle of the scene they decide to add some sex acts. A big problem for sure. I don't know if Nikki Benz is telling the truth or not... however, she can be used as an example that the female performers need to speak out more often if they are any problems on set. There are still a lot of men running porn that just really don't like women in general and it comes out in how they treat them.

There is rough sex, which is great. There also is "I just want to hurt her because she is a dumb whore" sex..... there is a difference and my personal opinion is guys like Tony and James fall into the latter category.

[avanfurwet]

Underlying this drama is the bigger issue that (especially newbie) porn girls can be intimidated by unscrupulous producers and agents into "shut up and take it or you'll never work again".

This is, and always has been since the explosion of gonzo scenes, a major issue. Guys do this if a girl asks to use a condom (there is a well known male who does TS scenes who has used that threat many times when new TS models ask him to use a condom), or if in the middle of the scene they decide to add some sex acts. A big problem for sure. I don't know if Nikki Benz is telling the truth or not... however, she can be used as an example that the female performers need to speak out more often if they are any problems on set. There are still a lot of men running porn that just really don't like women in general and it comes out in how they treat them.

There is rough sex, which is great. There also is "I just want to hurt her because she is a dumb whore" sex..... there is a difference and my personal opinion is guys like Tony and James fall into the latter category.

I agree. Disappointed about the condom story though. I'd have thought/hoped that was pretty fundamental to agreeing what the scene required and for what fee before going on set.

[mistress_cindy2008]

I agree. Disappointed about the condom story though. I'd have thought/hoped that was pretty fundamental to agreeing what the scene required and for what fee before going on set.

Yeah it is unfortunate. He is a bareback only performer, which is his choice. He focuses on non-industry or new TS as much as he can and if they argue with him about using condoms he pulls out the "I know all the producers and can make you or break you; condoms cost me money and will cost you a career"... that kind of thing.... Most established stars won't film with him anymore because of this and the US studios won't deal with him anymore for US based work. People wanting to get a break into the industry bow to the pressure and do it and that is that. it is what it is, just unfortunate it still happens.

Female performers in the US who are new still often can be in the middle of a scene and can be pushed into being asked to do something extra. When they say no they get likes like "fine, we can cancel the scene and you won't get paid"..... the girl has already planned what to do with that money so often will go ahead with it. This happens with the more abusive type of sites too often.

All new performers still can be leveraged into things for fear they will have doors shut in their face. Porn is a tough business.

[avanfurwet]

Yeah it is unfortunate. He is a bareback only performer, which is his choice. He focuses on non-industry or new TS as much as he can and if they argue with him about using condoms he pulls out the "I know all the producers and can make you or break you; condoms cost me money and will cost you a career"... that kind of thing.... Most established stars won't film with him anymore because of this and the US studios won't deal with him anymore for US based work. People wanting to get a break into the industry bow to the pressure and do it and that is that. it is what it is, just unfortunate it still happens.

Female performers in the US who are new still often can be in the middle of a scene and can be pushed into being asked to do something extra. When they say no they get likes like "fine, we can cancel the scene and you won't get paid"..... the girl has already planned what to do with that money so often will go ahead with it. This happens with the more abusive type of sites too often.

All new performers still can be leveraged into things for fear they will have doors shut in their face. Porn is a tough business.

Double post.

[avanfurwet]

Yeah it is unfortunate. He is a bareback only performer, which is his choice. He focuses on non-industry or new TS as much as he can and if they argue with him about using condoms he pulls out the "I know all the producers and can make you or break you; condoms cost me money and will cost you a career"... that kind of thing.... Most established stars won't film with him anymore because of this and the US studios won't deal with him anymore for US based work. People wanting to get a break into the industry bow to the pressure and do it and that is that. it is what it is, just unfortunate it still happens.

Female performers in the US who are new still often can be in the middle of a scene and can be pushed into being asked to do something extra. When they say no they get likes like "fine, we can cancel the scene and you won't get paid"..... the girl has already planned what to do with that money so often will go ahead with it. This happens with the more abusive type of sites too often.

All new performers still can be leveraged into things for fear they will have doors shut in their face. Porn is a tough business.

It is a shame. In a better world the girls would have their agents fighting their corner and demanding higher fees for performing extra - but I guess with new girls the agents value their business with the producers more than their business with the girls.

In Nikki's case I guess she was self-booking and didn't feel she needed a chaperone even for a "rough" scene with a somewhat notorious producer.

Not sure when this supposed "interview" in the supposed "raw footage" was shot, but if it was after the alleged assault it would seem to severely weaken her case. I had kind of envisaged she had walked off set after she says she was assaulted. If she finished the scene, filmed an "interview" (c.f. Kink) saying she had fun, and if she took the money, then it seems hard to make her case afterwards. Sad situation for all concerned.

[harbriarose]

I don't want to sound like a son of a bitch but I think Nikki misunderstood what Tony T. could wants to do to her.

Because she has performed with him. In fact, Tony was the first in fuck her ass and really hard, for a scene for Digital Playgrounds or Wicked, I'm not sure. So Tony may thought that was ok to push her limits again, and that was the main problem. Maybe she doesn't have the same physical resistance that she had that time.

I'm still thinking it's weird to have these kind of situations in modern porn. I think it was just a bad decision to have Nikki Benz performing a really rough scene. She doesn't have material alike, and Tony T thought that maybe she will like being forced to keep fucking.

[Kriss1986]

I don't want to sound like a son of a bitch but I think Nikki misunderstood what Tony T. could wants to do to her.

Because she has performed with him. In fact, Tony was the first in fuck her ass and really hard, for a scene for Digital Playgrounds or Wicked, I'm not sure. So Tony may thought that was ok to push her limits again, and that was the main problem. Maybe she doesn't have the same physical resistance that she had that time.

I'm still thinking it's weird to have these kind of situations in modern porn. I think it was just a bad decision to have Nikki Benz performing a really rough scene. She doesn't have material alike, and Tony T thought that maybe she will like being forced to keep fucking.

This explanation sounds really weird. NO always means NO.

[harbriarose]

I don't want to sound like a son of a bitch but I think Nikki misunderstood what Tony T. could wants to do to her.

Because she has performed with him. In fact, Tony was the first in fuck her ass and really hard, for a scene for Digital Playgrounds or Wicked, I'm not sure. So Tony may thought that was ok to push her limits again, and that was the main problem. Maybe she doesn't have the same physical resistance that she had that time.

I'm still thinking it's weird to have these kind of situations in modern porn. I think it was just a bad decision to have Nikki Benz performing a really rough scene. She doesn't have material alike, and Tony T thought that maybe she will like being forced to keep fucking.

This explanation sounds really weird. NO always means NO.

It's a weird explanation for a weird situation. I'm just trying to understand how this could happen. I don't think Tony T. had the intentions of raping Nikki.

[Kriss1986]

I don't want to sound like a son of a bitch but I think Nikki misunderstood what Tony T. could wants to do to her.

Because she has performed with him. In fact, Tony was the first in fuck her ass and really hard, for a scene for Digital Playgrounds or Wicked, I'm not sure. So Tony may thought that was ok to push her limits again, and that was the main problem. Maybe she doesn't have the same physical resistance that she had that time.

I'm still thinking it's weird to have these kind of situations in modern porn. I think it was just a bad decision to have Nikki Benz performing a really rough scene. She doesn't have material alike, and Tony T thought that maybe she will like being forced to keep fucking.

This explanation sounds really weird. NO always means NO.

It's a weird explanation for a weird situation. I'm just trying to understand how this could happen. I don't think Tony T. had the intentions of raping Nikki.

Yep it's really weird situation and shouldn't never happen. I don't know this guy, also I don't know her personally so it's really hard to guess what was the reason of this situation or what intention he had. One I know - in the past we heard multiple times about assaults on females performers during the act e.g. James Deen on Stoya.