Pierre Woodman, Syphilis and dirty lies

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

No worries mate. The Twins had already read it and they aren't the only ones. I have more than 20 other girls I can add with screenshots over a lengthy period where he trashed them appallingly. ONLY he does it, no other industry figure. As I said, I can never forgive anyone putting the girls down so badly. Without girls there would be nothing. Nothing. It was all good for him when he had young girls pushed to him by others who should also have known better who did not intend or want to do anal and said so. Cheating for anal. For a peaceful and fair person like myself I never thought anyone on the net could turn me against them so much but having read his comments so many times over the last 6 years putting these girls down I cant stomach him any longer and HAD to speak up. I have been around boards and the net for a very long time and never before felt such need to call to an end to his childishness. I'm actually fairly anonymous on the places I frequent and always have been.

I feel only for the girls. They're human, they have feelings and they just want to do the job the way THEY choose. Every girl should have that right and more

[laura.]

A lovely and sensitive post, incredibly well articulated and perfectly true x

[pastaga]

Julie Skyhigh, who likes both PW and LP, wrote about pro and cons on his forum.
In french :

moi j'en pense que ca depend de la fille et comment est son comportement. Si la fille se montre comme qqn sans caractere et sans interet... ben oui elle va se faire defoncer... moi perso la premiere fois mon soucis n'a pas ete de metre faite defonce mais le probleme etait:
1. jai eu un chlamydia ... hors ils savaient deja tres bien avant que jfasse la scene jen suis sur que qqn lavait.
2. manipulation pour scene que javais dis a la base que je ne faisait pas car c pas que jaime pas mais c pas mon kiff en tt cas avec plusieurs gars. mais ca me derange pas nonplus donc comme jaime pas me prendre la tete jai accepte puis voila. mais une fille mentalement faible peut vivre ca tres mal aussi. mais question defonce oui ou non ben moi perso quand un mec va trop fort on pas comme je veux je me leve et je lui fait bien comprendre que il recommence pas. jaime bien me faire prendre me faire traiter comme une salope mais faut que ca reste un jeux. le but c pas detre detruite apres nonplus. le probleme c que chez legalporno ils vont essayer daller au dela de la limite d'une fille qui est faible et ne s'impose pas. donc oui, chez LP, lidocaine etc... C'est vrai. moi jai jamais demander et on me la jamais proposé excepte 1 fois car je metais coupé en me rasant. je pense dailleur pas que la lidocaine aide bcp pour prendre des penetration extreme car c surtout le muscle qui doit se detendre. la lidocaine va surtout endormir la peau en cas de blessure etc. donc ca aidera pas bcp une fille qui viens la premiere fois chez legalporno et qui prend pour la premiere fois 1 gros calibre... enfin c mon avis. mais c claire que c pas chez legal que tu prendras ton pieds. si jle fais c juste pr le challenge et pcq y a 1 ou 2 tete que ca me fait tjr plaisir de voir.

chez pierre c quand meme ce que la fille desire faire qui importe donc ce quelle dit dans le casting est important. apres si la fille raconte des conneries dans le casting ben elle peut s'en vouloir que a soit meme. mais pierre essaie vrmt que ma fille fasse ce quelle aime et quelle prenne son pieds en faisant prendre comme il faut. jai demandé a pierre si jpouvais utiliser un vibro lors de notre 2ieme rencontre a son annif avec ally breelsen et il a dit oui tt suite... A legalporno ils refusent systematiquement ca montre deja un peu letat desprit!

(feel free to use an online translator)

Well she posted that text on PW forum so it may be a little oriented. But it seems globally that LP mostly focuses more on performance and less on girls pleasure. And even if I like big dicks doing ball deep anal and giant gapes, some toy (hitachi or else) play and real orgasms would be a nice addition.

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

Yes, I know Julie does both LP and elsewhere so she's blinded BUT my issue has nothing to do with LP and him! It's like a grown man crying for his mummy whenever he needs a defence and it's often Julie to defend him. The timing is usually the same.

Now, the really unacceptable and beyond all dispute or reasonable argument as it's all in black and white in many places not just at his own forum! That's how untouchable he thought he was, a total control freak.I know, ive got about 156 screenshots from varying places and all duplicated of out and out insults from him to the babes. He calls girls, both post-unsuccessful casting and never even met, the strongest possible insults even to the extent of personal insults regarding their body. Professional people just dont do that. He always harping back to LP and his grievances cuts no ice, they can take care of themselves, and its a pointless attempt to divert from the major issue of slander and/or libellous comments directed at young girls that should be protected and it must stop now. It sets a potentially tragic tone.

It's childish, it's bullying, inexcusable, unprofessional, rude, indefensible and cannot be accepted any longer.

[Boshanks]

The part that concerns me about Julie's post is the admission that she was offered lidocaine while performing here. If there's truth to this, I'm not sure how I feel about it.

I recently posted about my dislike for scenes that contained DAP with girls who were clearly incapable of performing it. I also agreed with someone else's point about models who show a lack of interest during sex. My concern is, are these both a result of what Julie's claiming ? If I'm paying to watch a woman who's completely numb to the experience and what she's engaging in, what exactly am I viewing ?

This site used to produce fantastic content long before the focus became how many cocks can we fit inside at once. If the latter is being achieved with medication, I really don't want to watch that and I'd rather it was stopped.

[laura.]

Based on the limited scenes I had seen at the time my initial opinions on PW castings where quite positive. I thought here is a guy who seems to be sincerely interested in the models life, history, sexual experience etc etc and most of it was watchable in a pleasant voyeuristic way. I never got into the ensuing sex as it just seemed a little amateur and tbh he isn't my type.

And then I saw his Lilith Lee aka Bambi Bella scene. A few years ago I developed this big crush on Lilith, a girl who I thought was beautiful, very pretty and with a perfectly sculptured larger framed curvy figure and I used to look out for all her scenes and watch them. And then I got to that scene. I am not sure if anyone has watched it? But I have yet to witness another abject cruel deconstruction of a woman's dignity as that. Lilith was basically there 'because no one else could be'. PW straight faced told her she was not his type and in so many words, didn't find her attractive. His entire manner was nasty and demeaning and totally uncalled for. This girl was doing a job to the best of her ability, a girl with feelings and who knows, insecurities as well. No man should put a woman through an experience like that. It was distasteful and left a nasty taste in the mouth. I have never watched him again although I have watched a two scenes where he doesn't appear, largely because of the presence of Marcus who I fancy.

I have little interest in partaking in tit for tat and rather this topic be put to bed.

We are LP fans, let's not get ourselves bogged down with a completely different site. And Boshanks, I agree with everything you said. The Lidocaine is a worry. X

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

It seems we agree on a fair bit I also skipped the initiation scenes. All totally unwatchable. I haven't seen the girl Lilith's casting myself but sounds just about right. It would be nice to just contiinue posting about what we all come online for in the first place and this negative attitude towards the girls becomes a distant memory. Nobody's perfect, we all make mistakes and learn from them, but the bad attitude towards too many of our beloved performers is a recurring issue from this individual and obviously must stop

[miss_cimarron]

hmmm you dont use lidocaine specially because of huge penetration. its what I explain. it can also be used in a lesbian scene because you just hurt yourself just before a scene and people wait for you? so sometimes its just like this ... and I think it probably happened to so many girls to cut themselves while shaving before a scene ... that why I used it to LP it was even not inside my ass but on the side... so in that case where the fuck is the problem? It has nothing to do with pushing me to do make big penetration? I have no idea if they do in that case with girls... I never saw so I can not tell you.

I was just telling on pierre forum there is no link between the use of lidocaine to be able to perform DAP ... I dont think it help so the girl that told she was proposed the take it easier ... not sure if its right because only the skin sleep, not the muscle so if the girl is not used to it ... even with lidocaine it will not work I think ... It can only help to perform more scene ... but this is the case for ANY anal production, and not LP ... if the girl wants to do 7 anal scene in 10days, probably her ass is irritated , so skin is sensitive and there lidocaine will help... and it can be LP or others ... so I dont understand why they focus the use of lidocaine only at LP? i think its for any anal production for a girl that want to perform too much scenes after each other. thats what I tried to tell in french

about the pleasure so to be sure there is no misunderstandings and wrong translation of my french post. I hide nothing of what I tell there and have nothing to hide. there is nothing bad in what I tell. just facts that is easy to see if you have brains LP dont focus on the girl pleasure but on the girl performance. because first its mainly what people here want and care more about the girl performance then that she really enjoy... because they will be angry if they miss for 5min the asshole not clearly to see on the screen! there is no miracle... if you want a girl taking pleasure ... you have to leave sometimes your love for seeing big asshole open because the position of the girl will not be optimal all the time. and you have to keep your asscheeks open 30% of the time so people can see good the penetration... how the hell can you have orgasm while having you hands in the back and your head down... its totally impossible guys you have to wake up!
it doesn't take away you can take pleasure ... but not orgasm... and for me pleasure is more intense if i can use vibrator at same time and i would enjoy more DAP or DP or anal or whatever... woman are just made like this. we have no clitoris in the asshole! (Its sad yes!!). It doesn't take away I like my scenes... but I would like them more with toys etc. not all the time but at least some parts would be fun and would help girls much more then lidocaine ... because pleasure just increase so if you feel any pain doing your dap because you are not used to it (first time girls etc.) , the time they get used to it they will not feel the pain and after they will have more pleasure because they didn't need to feel the pain. Its just your brain that focus on something else then the pain itself. and there is no choice then having pain when you start dap ... or during scene or during preparation before. but there will always be 5min needed to get used to it 10min for others it depend... Of course girls can rub there pussy too ... but to be honest its not practically easy to do it while guys are around. the toy is just more easy and relaxing then rubbing like crazy lol.

so it would be nice if LP let girls have more fun, i know many would not do because many dont care. but for some girls it can be good and will bring sometimes good scenes into LP and also less 'down' moments where girls are tired. when you take pleasure you forget you are tired and you can go over your limits.

okay guys if im wrong, stop me talking. but i think im right telling this!

[miss_cimarron]

laura, I dont worry about lidocaine itself, its nothing negative to me. Its little bit exaggerated to think it make the girl asshole sleeping like she dont feel anything anymore. we should worry more about the use of drugs generally in this business to perform... all kind. drugs, alcohol. I dont tell this for LP but in the business generally. this is to me a bigger concern then using lidocaine on a little part of your skin?

I didn't saw the casting of the girl you talk about but for me its hard to believe as he was totally not like that but I understand your opinion. to me he was a good person and I can no feel any bad feeling about him as i had great time with it and he really ry to give me pleasure. I was not there during the casting of other girls. only thing I know is that some girls adore him, so hate him ... I think his behavior depend of the girl honesty during casting. he hate girls faking and lying and I think he become being different with this kind of girls. but its just a thought. I dont really know him good enough but its my sixth sense talking.

[Giorgio Grandi]

.so it would be nice if LP let girls have more fun...

Thats the problem of users, not about LP in general. 50% of users here care only about ball deep anal. Nothing more then that. Anything that can give pleasure to the girls is considered Vanilla Porn.

Bla bla this cock is too small, bla bla tipfucking, bla bla its not ball deep, bla bla no airtight, bla bla its not 100% anal.

I dont even spend time reading most of the post anymore because its just complaining about everything. Most of the user should came back in '90, when a DVD with 4 average DP would cost them 30-40 usd and then understand the difference.

Then there is the other half of user who dig into cachet, way to shoot, personal stuff of models and producers. You dont need to care about how much money gets a girl; simply get a life, look porn and have fun.

WTF!

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

[quote="Giorgio Thats the problem of users, not about LP in general. 50% of users here care only about ball deep anal.[/quote]

Hi Giorgio. I'm very much a standard anal man, doesn't have to be an overload, but with each passing year I see the demand to go further which is a shame. The superbabes and the brand new fly by nights should be what keeps it fresh not the actual sex acts. However, I do appreciate that if LP didn't do it someone else would

[magizi877]

Sorry for keeping this off-topic but, IMO PW porn is so poorly made that is not even worth talking about.

Oh man. I'm shocked to hear GG thinks half the porn viewers don't care about the performers pleasure.
And the way he said it, discourages anyone to keep trying to write any type of feedback.

When we say things like, they don't do enough kissing, hugging, caressing, fondling. We are thinking about the pleasure.

How much we have to complain about women looking in complete discomfort during scenes, even saying things like if DAP or whatever is to much for her, edit it out and do a normal scene instead.

Also going to say, that tip fucking in porn is the equivalent to shaky-cam in Acton movies. Long story short, both of those make the movie TERRIBLE. You can't blame us for not liking either of these....

[laura.]

laura, I dont worry about lidocaine itself, its nothing negative to me. Its little bit exaggerated to think it make the girl asshole sleeping like she dont feel anything anymore. we should worry more about the use of drugs generally in this business to perform... all kind. drugs, alcohol. I dont tell this for LP but in the business generally. this is to me a bigger concern then using lidocaine on a little part of your skin?

I didn't saw the casting of the girl you talk about but for me its hard to believe as he was totally not like that but I understand your opinion. to me he was a good person and I can no feel any bad feeling about him as i had great time with it and he really ry to give me pleasure. I was not there during the casting of other girls. only thing I know is that some girls adore him, so hate him ... I think his behavior depend of the girl honesty during casting. he hate girls faking and lying and I think he become being different with this kind of girls. but its just a thought. I dont really know him good enough but its my sixth sense talking.

I will have to hold my hands up and admit I committed a faux pas when I read the word 'ludocane'. For some reason unbeknownst to me I wrongly assumed it was an oral sedative, now that I have Googled it, I know it's clearly not. That's why I was concerned. I don't know enough about it to express an opinion so I shall just stop:)

Re: PW I don't know enough about him and can only base my opinion on the handful of scenes I have watched of his. I am also aware of his forums but to he honest I have no urgent need to read them nor decipher what kind of character he is. I was just shocked by the harshness of his attitude in that scene and felt it unnecessary. If there is no chemistry there then why continue the shoot and why even bother in the first place? I felt sorry for her.

As far as I know he may be a lovely man in real life, I don't know and nor do I intend to start finding out. I just can't stand bitching on forums and for that reason I wont get involved in this thread again.

I am just a fan who admires the performers but I appreciate you are there seeing it for your own eyes and for that your opinion truly counts:) x

[utopiaa]

I think Giorgio can see quite easily what types of scenes sell well and what not. So i think what he says is true as of course he wants to make scenes that sell well.

But also everybody needs to remember these are forums where a few users who spam the same thing over and over can make it seem like everyone wants it aka who yells the loudest effect. Also people don't usually post when they have positive things to say, only when there is something negative.

[pastaga]

IMO an hard ball deep anal sequence would be better if followed by one where the girl uses a toy on herself to cum. There is no need to do 2 scenes, one with both will sell for both hard anal lovers and other customers who like to watch girls having pleasure.

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

Chicken brain? Really? Based on your intimate first hand knowledge of the young lady, which still isn't acceptable on a public forum though? No???!!! Your Hairdresser's cousin's left-handed twin's pet gerbil?!?!? Well I must be off sir, got to creosote my fridge.

It may interest you to know, after reading below, that she only did GS at Vipissy and nobody forced her to & no swallowing piss. Imagine being shouted at by an angry man to swallow it. Btw, its illegal in the USA. Worth noting that point

Comments not necessary, just go view those hot LP babes

CAN I CHOOSE HOW I WANT MY CAREER TO GO?

[Iddaoeeok]

Not all of us fall into those categories. Remember the loudest voices don't represent everyone. In fact, I agree with you that all of these complaints get annoying.

Loudest voices, boldest text (naming no names). Well said anyway.

[Rittmeister64]

I hate PW.
The guy can't get his dick hard, always bangs chicks with a half-limp dick with a condom.
Watching pron, I always imagine I'm the male part of course, but in PW movies I always get confronted with this ugly ape, with a hairy back, unshaved crotch. It's simply disgusting.
Once I saw a scene he filmed with Goldie Baby, and apparently they didn't clean out her ass before with a clistier, so the dick of the guy was brown with shitstains which they made her suck then until she got all brown with shit around her lips. It was disgusting, but PM was laughing and though it was a great scene.
He fuckin ruined the scene with this shit. Literally.
The guy is just terrible.

[xxx]

He was laughing at the twins possibly getting Syphilis. Now they act like his puppets.

That tells you what he can do to models he did not insult. A master manipulator.

But more importantly a monster that should have been banned long ago if agents actually cared for their models (everyone knows he is a monster but they want his money so they shut up).

[Boshanks]

I honestly don't think any good can come from keeping this thread open. Those who aren't blinded by his bullshit know what a manipulative scumbag he is. I've lost count of the times I've seen him speak terribly about women and young models in the industry over the years, and if you cross him he'll go out of his way to ruin your career and sully your character and reputation.

I actually feel really sorry for Eveline right now, she's over there having to hold up cards with scripted text while he films her saying what she's been told to say.... where have we seen that before ?

If the twins are happy to work with a man who previously spoke so poorly of them and reveled in the news that one of them might have contracted an std, well best of luck to them. I hope everything works out okay for the girls when he's done using them as another propaganda tool against this company.

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

Yes, the Twins deserve a lot of credit for how they approached it and I salute them for it. Fantastic of them to show such humility and wisdom in 2016. It'll be great to see them go on to more success having taken the time out for those in desperate need. Let's hope one day they'll return to where it all started here at LP

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

I see that he is still trying to divert away from his own tirade of abuse over the course of number of posts about Dellai Twins. Basically implying that xxx last comment above is a negative towards the Twins!!! Anyone who reads that post can see it's all about him and his Jekyll & Hyde attitude!!! The abuse that he handed out is there for all to see in the screenshots I posted.

Puppets is exactly how he uses models often long after they've moved to other companies and it's not a term of insult towards any of those babes. The only people who will read anything into it are his puppets who believe his every word on his forum

He can never wriggle out of it. His words are here for all to see and of course he subsequently edited his forum thread but it can never alter the facts. That says all you need to know

[pastaga]

Tonight, DP scene with an anal exclusive model from Woodman. Congrats Alexis for doing what you want by your own way

[twistedvincent]

I wish the old fat hairy fuck would just hurry up and die.

How does he end up shooting so many first anal/DP's with both US and euro models anyway? Alexa Tomas and Kendall Kayden are perfect examples.

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

Hey TV! Not everyone can be first As for KK I have to say I'm not enamoured. About 15 girls a month minimum join with the major US agencies who are blonde, petite and 5' ish and very, very rarely are they good solid performers who have a longish career. Try and think of a list. It's a struggle. They're just popular cos they fit that general description that a lot of guys love.

You guys have special babes who are absolute top babes and not just a camgirl trying to generate extra traffic for their cam and website such as KK. Give me Keisha, Remy, Cherie, Adriana, Bella, Jillian, Proxy, Rachel S, Juelz, Jada, Laela, Ava A etc any day of the week. It can be hard spotting the ones who want to do porn and the ones who don't take it seriously until they've been doing proper stuff for quite a while

[twistedvincent]

I don't think that much of KK either,I just used her as an example of a woodman first. I just don't understand WHY girls choose to shoot with him at all ESPECIALLY "first" scenes. Can you offer insight for me? Does he pay more than others? God knows hes a disgusting egomaniac and can't possibly further any careers. Here again, Alexa Tomas is a prime example of a beautiful who's only DP scene has just now been released by PW after over a year and he just gloats like he's something special.

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

I don't think that much of KK either,I just used her as an example of a woodman first. I just don't understand WHY girls choose to shoot with him at all ESPECIALLY "first" scenes. Can you offer insight for me? Does he pay more than others? God knows hes a disgusting egomaniac and can't possibly further any careers. Here again, Alexa Tomas is a prime example of a beautiful who's only DP scene has just now been released by PW after over a year and he just gloats like he's something special.

Alexa Tomas is nice and it says a lot about how strong her relationship is with her other half that they were happy to eventually move to other guys so all power to them. Maybe I'll see something more from her but I've seen enough with anal at other sites for now In her case it would probably be just advice from a connection. As for other ones, you were talking the US, almost all are new to the industry and intend doing anal anyway straight from the off or very soon after so its no big deal for them. Look how many babes are added in the US who are brand new and yet available for anal. Surprisingly higher than you'd expect and the ratio of US babes doing anal over the last 6 years or so has soared. I recall a time when virtually zero mega-popular US babes did anal ever.

[twistedvincent]

But what about euro-Girls? Whats the fucking attraction to his scenes and his bullshit antics? Plus as of late it seems that he's actually putting himself in MORE and MORE scenes where he used to leave himself out of stuff after the initial casting. Does he have a huge fan base or something that enjoy seeing his disgusting form in scenes? I'm serious, am I missing something?

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

I don't watch his stuff so I don't know. When I watch the first anal I want it to be the first I choose, not necessarily the first released. I much prefer subsequent anals anyway when the babe is confident and happy. There's no accounting for taste though mate

[Iddaoeeok]

I wish the old fat hairy fuck would just hurry up and die.

How does he end up shooting so many first anal/DP's with both US and euro models anyway? Alexa Tomas and Kendall Kayden are perfect examples.

OK, so what's the point of this thread now? Initially it was about a specific incident and now it's just degenerated into a parade of posters attacking PW, including, it seems, wishing death on him. No-one here is supporting PW, no-one here likes him, no-one here likes his work. All this thread is doing is feeding his out of control ego and belief that everybody who isn't blowing smoke up his ass is actively out to get him. How many times in how many forums in how many websites do people have to keep having this same discussion - he loves it, you're giving him the attention he craves and doesn't deserve.

The shooting first thing has been covered so many times in the past. PW is obsessed with it and, unfortunately, so are quite a few posters on this forum - check how excited people get over the first DAP, the first TAP, the first QAP etc. Personally I couldn't care less who was first to shoot who or who was first to shoot what, or this is her first this or her first that, blah blah blah

[Slippery Pete]

^ Amen.

[twistedvincent]

Oh settle the fuck down. If you don't like the thread then don't read it. I like having a thread to vent about how much I hate the fat fuck. Where else can we?

How many times in how many forums in how many websites do people have to keep having this same discussion

Where? What forums? I'll gladly take it somewhere else just point me in the right direction.

[gongobyte]

Whats the bet LP and Woodmen are best buds behind scenes and all this "fighting" is just PR from the studios to get publicity and build fan loyalty like with football teams or wrestling.

[dap-addict]

But what about euro-Girls? Whats the fucking attraction to his scenes and his bullshit antics?

Guess what? Pay!
So difficult to understand?
He is obessessed with being the first and for this he pays more.
Than he has some other technics to keep the girls he shot 'first' out of doing the same acts for his competitors. Thats actually the bad things for the fans!


for Giorgio: Yes, I called for more balls deep GIO scenes, but with the cocks you have and as you know perfectly well, I do also care that the girls have some joy.


for all: Subject title is Pierre Woodman, Syphilis and dirty lies - dirty lies is most actual with the Dellai twins now. Can we please focus on this?!

[twistedvincent]

OK... that answers my question. He just pays more that totally explains it. He's just a fat hairy rich fuck.

Thanks for the info....

[twistedvincent]

Fuck Woodman.... he's the fucking worst of the worst.

[shark1]

The Direction at LP is definitely lacking. Need Pierre here to revamp production. Rimjobs and uncut piss drinking - Pierre style

I am guessing this is one of the mindless drones that refer to Woodman as master on his forums. Uncut piss drinking? Pierre cuts that out of all his vids, when he actually does it.

[JohnMcSpunkencock]

^ If you read all his posts here you'll know he's just to be ignored

[Iddaoeeok]

The idea that LP has anything to learn from PW is laughable.

[Cynewulf30]

Not true, they could learn how to not make porn.