What happened to this once GREAT website?

[avanfurwet]

Here, one guy told that he has met no matter how many girls who like slapping. Well, I’ve also known no matter how many girls and none of them have asked me to slap them during sex. In general, I have never met a single woman who would like it if her face were slapped. I have to say I'm wondering a little bit about that guy what kind of girls he's really dating ??

Of course we can only guess for ourselves about how much truth is included in posts from other anonymous writers.
Maybe some writers tell the truth, or exaggerate, or just invent stories to try to present themselves as big and bad on the internet. Who knows?

Then I still want to tell you about one video here that I recently watched that I think says something about the negative phenomenon that is often associated with current porn videos. It features one of my favorites, Anita Blanche. The video has 8 different dap positions and its official manufacturing code is SZ2699. I expected a lot from the video but I was really disappointed. Male actors are like robots and they do everything like robots. It’s as if someone starts robots to make pre-programmed patterns and they then do everything according to the programming. There is no feelings and no moment of any real sexual intensity. Everything is crowned by the final climax where the men first masturbate alternately themselves and then cum and Anita swallows everything as suddenly as possible and the viewer is left with nothing in the hand. Actually, as a viewer, I remain like an outsider. That was the feeling I had after that video. And I claim videos like this are seen here all too often these days.

Many others have said similar things. The big, long-established professional studios on Pornbox (Giorgio and Gonzo) seem to have developed a "sausage factory" recipe to produce scenes efficiently with few mistakes. Their production sets can manufacture 2 or even 3 scenes per day. The compromise they make is that their productions appear quite similar and posters here complain about (especially male) performers going through their routines with little emotion. Of course, those guys do a difficult job and frequently do it 2 or 3 times a day, every day. So it's not new or exciting for them and maybe they are just human if they can't act all excited every time?

A few other things I've been thinking about are:
1. If enough customers become intolerant of "cookie cutter" scenes and stop buying, the studios would change their ways. But the studios are not changing, so I guess they find no reason to.
2. Smaller challenger studios like NRX, Floranne, VK, etc. are producing more innovative content to compete with the big boys by offering something different.
3. If the big studios did change their ways, one consequence would be fewer scenes shot, and fewer opportunities for female models.
4. Maybe the "sausage factory" formula works better for some models who will know in advance how long the scene should take to film and what their working conditions and expected performance will be.
5. Making non-standard scenes can be more interesting for all concerned, but it takes longer and costs more. So fewer scenes get made and prices increase.

[jerrybb]

This week the content has been really bad. I hope we see an improvement as the week moves on or maybe this a sign of scenes to come with the world getting back to a level of normality after the pandemic.

[dap-addict]

Then I still want to tell you about one video here that I recently watched that I think says something about the negative phenomenon that is often associated with current porn videos. It features one of my favorites, Anita Blanche. The video has 8 different dap positions and its official manufacturing code is SZ2699. I expected a lot from the video but I was really disappointed. Male actors are like robots and they do everything like robots. It’s as if someone starts robots to make pre-programmed patterns and they then do everything according to the programming. There is no feelings and no moment of any real sexual intensity. Everything is crowned by the final climax where the men first masturbate alternately themselves and then cum and Anita swallows everything as suddenly as possible and the viewer is left with nothing in the hand. Actually, as a viewer, I remain like an outsider. That was the feeling I had after that video. And I claim videos like this are seen here all too often these days.

Interesting comment about a scene I really like.
Why? - Because I am more of a voyeur type of user than one wanting to get involved I guess.
I watch for the girl and only for her and wanna see how she reacts to the cocks thrown at her.
Not really interested in the male actors as long as they are wood-proof and big/girthy enough.
I dont care if the need to masturbate at the girl at the end, all of them do usually for production reasons so that the camera can catch the money shot.

Only thing I see here is if you have so many DAP positions - here its 8 of them - than scene needs to be very structured and leaves no place for spontaneity with nobody involved. This is a con.

[ayrtight]

The answer is simple, too much piss, prolapse, vomit and no pussy scenes. .

Correct

I´ll add too much manhandling / rough style .

[anakin77]

in sept very bad scenes,,,,

[anakin77]

in sept very bad scenes,,,,

[Pineapples Studio]

You all agree that this site has gone downhill, but you all have different ideas of what made it great in the first place, which means that even if the site changed, some of you will just say it’s going even further down the tubes.

What’s really happening here is that the site has opened up to include more studios than ever before, which means the audience is broader than it used to be. In fact, a greater percentage of you are able to find content that caters to you than ever before. This thread is for the vocal minority.

Now, there is an entirely separate discussion to be had regarding the quality degradation of content in the industry as a whole (of which this site is a part, naturally), but PornBox in particular has not gone downhill.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I think the forum posters will be surprised by the sales data. I always think the mark of decent quality is the numbers.

How many people are logging on now? How many tickets are being spent?
You might be surprised that things are actually no where near as bad as you might seem to suggest!

[Paizal]

What’s really happening here is that the site has opened up to include more studios than ever before, which means the audience is broader than it used to be. In fact, a greater percentage of you are able to find content that caters to you than ever before. This thread is for the vocal minority

And all these new studios all offer the same thing - trash porn. Like a street where there were only 2 restaurants before, there is now one McDonalds after another. That doesn't mean more variety, just more of the same. And, of course, there are now more buyers. Like on TV. The dumber the show, the higher the ratings.That's why Pornbox only has trash and freaks.

[avanfurwet]

If you don't like MacDonalds, why would you spend your time standing inside MacDonalds crying about how you don't like MacDonalds?

Why not just eat somewhere else and be happy?

[Paizal]

Because for many LP is without alternative and many have the hope that criticism meets open ears.

[avanfurwet]

Obviously the world is full of alternatives to MacDonalds.

For sure MacDonalds are not going to change their global business model because a few random customers each complain about different contradictory things that they personally don't like.

[Paizal]

Let's stick to porn for a moment. There is no alternative to LP. No other studios shoot DAP scenes. If you like this kind of porn, there is nothing else.

Regarding the second point - it is in the nature of man to express his displeasure. Products are permanently adapted to customer comments. If a company completely shuts itself off to criticism, it will eventually stagnate.

[avanfurwet]

Some other studios shoot DAP. If that's what you want, you can go find them. But that's just you, not the other posters in this thread. They don't speak for you and you don't speak for them. Which is why this thread is an incoherent mess of contradictory individual desires and dislikes.

Of course companies adapt their products to increase sales and profits. Clearly Pornbox have done that, in ways you personally dislike. If there was a wave of consistent criticism from customers about something actionable, then a company would do well to listen. That isn't the case here. It's just a tiny number of disgruntled fans, each crying into the void about different things.

[Paizal]

I don't know of any studio outside of LP that shoots DAP scenes.

If you think the absolute majority loves the new porn box direction, then so be it.

I myself find it hard to believe that the fan has suddenly discovered his love for low-budget and full body tattoos.

[Pineapples Studio]

And all these new studios all offer the same thing - trash porn. Like a street where there were only 2 restaurants before, there is now one McDonalds after another. That doesn't mean more variety, just more of the same. And, of course, there are now more buyers. Like on TV. The dumber the show, the higher the ratings.That's why Pornbox only has trash and freaks.

Fair enough if you feel that way, but I think that is indicative of the general decline of the porn industry rather than a specific decline of this site in particular. The solution is to vote with your wallet and provide the most constructive criticism you can.

[drevokocur66]

And all these new studios all offer the same thing - trash porn. Like a street where there were only 2 restaurants before, there is now one McDonalds after another. That doesn't mean more variety, just more of the same. And, of course, there are now more buyers. Like on TV. The dumber the show, the higher the ratings.That's why Pornbox only has trash and freaks.

Fair enough if you feel that way, but I think that is indicative of the general decline of the porn industry rather than a specific decline of this site in particular. The solution is to vote with your wallet and provide the most constructive criticism you can.

I always keep in mind that, the trailers show the best of the scene. It is there to lure the customer into buying the scene. Much has been done over time to confuse the customer into thinking he is getting more than he sees. I also know that things rarely change, or rather change for the better. The checklist style porn remains the same for the studios and the performers alike. Not much is pushed, creativity suffers at the hands of cookie cutter content, the girls are rarely fucked proper, and anything and everything that can be, cut, faked, or camouflaged via movie magic... is. Often, I don't even bother to watch a trailer, because I already know the studio/talent, and know what to expect. I have now become ultra selective on what I purchase. I have my favorites, and I always reward effort above all.

[Hotflash]

if quality was present i would buy more but no attractive girls anymore and no fantasy.

i desperately wait with my wallet open...

[Caveman39]

Theres a meaning that goes "you got to pay to play" and these guys want to play with these American pornstars but don't want to pay. Let's face it American and some UK pornstars command a much heftier compensation than the Euro and South American girls that these guys get for cheap. They are more famous, make money on the side and have certain standards that has to be met for them to sign a contract. No matter what these perverts here me included want for these girls to be sexually violated it's not gonna happen unless these guys who own this site pay up. I mean why would they even do that if they can pay these no name women from the streets dirt money to keep this website running, as long as the perverts here continue to pay and tolerate it nothing's gonna change.

If I'm reading this right you're implying the people at AV desperately want to shoot with the 'famous' American pornstars, but they don't wanna pay their fee cause they're cheapskates. You know this how? Because we don't see a lot of American girls?
And instead they settle for European 'no name women from the street'?

Setting aside some obvious reasons (of course a European porn site will shoot mostly European girls, Covid travel restrictions etc), I think you're very dismissive of the European stars here. You may not like them as much as you like American girls, but calling them 'no name women from the street' is condescending and unnecessary.

Don't take this teenage virgin seriously please.
This boy posts Spiderman gifs and beats off to adult Sims video game cartoons on a forum where he has posted almost 400 times during his masturbation sessions. Nuff said.
https://www.loverslab.com/topic/31943-t ... nt-3479548
: https://www.loverslab.com/profile/781184-thewatcher1/
Total joke.

This stupid American punk thinks that by flashing his devalued American passport that every non-American girl (Eastern-European/Asian/South-American) will immediately lay flat on her back on his stinky mattress in some low budget hotel room/hostel and do a spread eagle so that this zit-head can penetrate that girl with his pecker. In reality, his tool only had a date with his lefty or righty. On the internet this zithead will tell you he has thousands to spare to fuck an aging part-time prostitute like Ryan Conner and that LP owners are cheap Charlies for not booking her LOL. This guy's only motive is to get LP or to troll LP into booking his number one fap girl RYAN CONNER and waste 5 digits on her. This punk will subsequently go on to beat off his "peck-master" by going to a tube site after the release and will then brag to his fellow sad anime buddies on the aformentioned forum about the "date" he had with Ryan Conner in some luxurious 5 star hotel room in Las Vegas LOL.

For amusement' sake, some of this bozo's comments I addressed some time ago: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=11134&start=160#p518255

[avanfurwet]

Don't take this teenage virgin seriously please...

Well that explains his obsession with a particular American pornstar and trying to get her hired by studios here.
Probably nobody from any studio was listening, and if they were they would only be repelled by his ignorant ranting.
So, game over.

[avanfurwet]

I always keep in mind that, the trailers show the best of the scene. It is there to lure the customer into buying the scene. Much has been done over time to confuse the customer into thinking he is getting more than he sees. I also know that things rarely change, or rather change for the better. The checklist style porn remains the same for the studios and the performers alike. Not much is pushed, creativity suffers at the hands of cookie cutter content, the girls are rarely fucked proper, and anything and everything that can be, cut, faked, or camouflaged via movie magic... is. Often, I don't even bother to watch a trailer, because I already know the studio/talent, and know what to expect. I have now become ultra selective on what I purchase. I have my favorites, and I always reward effort above all.

Agree about the movie magic and formulaic productions. I probably look at an average of 1 trailer per day and buy maybe 1 or 2 scenes a week. But that's just me. And if I like the look of a girl in a scene I'll tolerate much of the fakery and formulas. But I always check the time-lapse screenshots and disregard much of the trailers due to the deliberately confusing way they cut back and forward through the movie timeline.

I think the other posters who proclaim that the world is ending because they think they personally see too much or not enough of some random personal favourite or hated physical attributes or sex acts, are wasting their time and have nothing to say. Maybe they feel better for venting.

I think the other posters who proclaim that there are no beautiful models here any more must have gone blind or mad, or both.

[dap-addict]

I always check the time-lapse screenshots and disregard much of the trailers due to the deliberately confusing way they cut back and forward through the movie timeline.

Yep, in my users experience its really important to always also check the screenshots!

As for the quality of girls for sure porn is less of an attractive job option for Eastern European girls as it has been in 1989-2004. But the Italian and Spanish wave also shows us that in some other parts of Europe it has become a more attractive job option again. All due to economic facts. Call me delusive, but we just have to accept that most of these girls do it for the money and not their own lust.

Now, older LPAV studios videos have become repetitive. They currently do risk to become victims of their own success. But its also natural to repeat what proofs to be least time-consuming in the making of any product, and repeat what used to sell so far.

I've shifted my user needs more towards fellowing a bunch of girls grow in that biz and towards new girls early scenes showing talent and their ability to connect with the studs they are paired with. Thus repetition is less of a concern for me, I concentrate on the girls performance and porn biz inherent artistic growth strictly.

I buy mainly certain kind of scenes with a quite high minimum porn sex act requirement thus AV/LP is still absolutely my main provider just because others dont meet that requirement. I buy 1 scene per day average, but I do it rather in bulks. I'd buy a bit more IF studs performance and IF camerawork for the scenes meeting my basic sex act criteria would be better.

Finally I came to realize that if girls are dressed up well to fuck rather than just naked, I am more tolerant to other shortcomings. But that's just me really - an old nostalgic fan of Classic Italian Porn paired with JYL kuckmal anal style.

[TheVulture]

Call me delusive, but we just have to accept that most of these girls do it for the money and not their own lust.

What is that based on? The LP/AV girls of recent times and still presently have obvious on screen lust levels that are off the charts. The problem is the guys, who are at best robotic and at worst downright thuggish. If the guys could even display a little enthusiasm for what they do and some acceptable level of virility (this would require younger guys or at least not the current massive levels of stud over-work) it would send the girls' heat levels even higher. I find it absurd that you would make that comment really.

I've shifted my user needs more towards fellowing a bunch of girls grow in that biz and towards new girls early scenes showing talent and their ability to connect with the studs they are paired with.

When does that ever happen? Linked in with the above comments, there is precisely zero chemistry in any of these scenes. xxx even admitted this not too long ago. "We make content that is largely devoid of passion" was his comment, roughly speaking. And he's right. The girls are getting off because there are multiple dicks going at it for a long time and from their point of view I guess in a physical sense at least it doesn't matter too much if those are hard dicks pumped full of youthful lust and virility or tired old ones injected with whatever stimulus the guys (absurdly) use to enable them to shoot 3 scenes a day or whatever. Where on Earth you are finding this "connection" is beyond me. For me there is a complete disconnect between the male and female performers chemistry-wise, which is purely a result of LP/AV's "pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap" philosophy and the fact that the guys - whilst functional - have no real sense of pleasure about what they're doing.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

The answer is simple, too much piss, prolapse, vomit and no pussy scenes. I'm starting to only check AnalVids once a week and the possibility of finding a scene to purchase is still low.

Yet, the fanboys keep buying and think all that puke, piss, surgical conditions, 0% pussy are some flavor or porn, and they want MORE of that drek.

If "piss, prolapse, vomit, 0% pussy scenes" or "puke, piss, surgical conditions, 0% pussy" are what the paying fans want to see and buy. Then it makes every sense for LP/AV to continue making those types of scenes. If they are selling, creating forum posts for discussion and generating any profit - then surely LP/AV is doing exactly as they intended. Any discussion and continued debate on it is great marketing. Any increase in the number of hits to the site and any $$$ made are all sure signs of success...LP/AV cannot please everyone, that is impossible to do...

[hjohjole]

There are indeed a few problems right now.

First we have the 25 or so Russian studios that none of them seem to have understood that when you make porn you need to hire guys with big dicks. Its very important. And we have all been trying g to tell them this for the longest time. But the message is not being received.

Then we have the man with all the money in the world. This guys keeps hogging all the best girls in the industry. Booking them for exclusive multi scene contracts for Gonzo studio only so that he can make every one of those scenes a DP scene. Because the man with all the money in the world really REALLY likes his DP scenes.

Luis is shooting scene nr 355 with Polly Petrova. I think he is going for some type of world record.

And what is Giorgio Grandi doing? He is importing milfs covered in tattoos all the way from the US. I guess he have already worked with all women like that here in Europe. It wouldn't surprise me.

On top of that Nikki Hill finally returns after 2 long years. Its what we all have been waiting for, but what does this Ananas guy do? Not one but two scenes focusing on Lina Arian instead. Why? Just why?...

I have so many questions about all of this.

[Wildfire1212]

Its sad to see what a freakshow this site has become. Is anyone buying the crap videos on this site?

[hjohjole]

Its sad to see what a freakshow this site has become. Is anyone buying the crap videos on this site?

God i hope not. Anyone spending money here right now is a big part of the problem. I really really hope that people wont buy any more tickets.

[2017sucks]

Last few days are like digging through the bottom. But anyway, still the same for me, whatever they Release, no matter if its something really good, wouldnt be sad if shutdown permanently next day. Old habits coming back to the surface, Gonzo lot of "empty walk", Giorgio somehow like dont know what he want anymore, "did he arrived, or just started walking". Again falling to endless period of boring multi - girls scenes only (not just Silvia).

Luis, almost no updates...

Other studios not even worth to comment anymore... And I dont mean on gay stuff and other crap haha...

[dadafog553]

Two more gay updates on the front page, in between all the straight porn. No way to avoid it, also they select the nastiest thumbnails they can choose to spite everyone into their perverted ways.

[xxxEVOxxx]

It's still good in my opinion, there is the usual lull after Christmas but AV shall surely return to its peak again later on in the year.

[Paizal]

If you like head-to-toe tattooed girls sucking each other's intestines, GG/GONZO continues to be great. If you like cute girls, GG/GONZO continues to be a desert.

[FriendlyFireFan]

Yeah, sucking on intestines is bizarre, even to me. I don't have health insurance but even if I did I'm not sure I'd risk contracting full-blown AIDS.

As for tattoos, woman's sexiest organs are 1) tongue, 2) skin. Tattoos ruin #2.

[bake0213]

What happened to this once GREAT website?

The more I think about it the more I think it is more along the lines of what happens to most businesses. At first, there is an idea and a unique angle that attracts its core customers. They invest a bunch up front hoping that their offering becomes a sustainable endeavor. The overall vision requires some longer range thinking in order to implement.

Then after impressive growth, leadership still wants more! Over time, management begins to watch the spreadsheets closer, and they realize that if they optimize short term profits by cutting corners, er uh, cutting the wasteful things that the customer doesn't really want or isn't really willing to pay for. Soon they lose sight of what made them unique. Instead of having a vision, they simply use short-term metrics to make a sale. What made them unique isn't important anymore as the core customer is no longer worth pursuing. They want all the customers, and in the process they lose their identity and they become just another porn site.

That all being said, I think this site is at a crossroads. They probably have plenty of money, and as we (if we) emerge from the pandemic, maybe they will start finding better models and producing better scenes. Or they will go down the road of trying to become a ManyVids type of site with whatever crap happens to be posted not caring about whether any of it is any good, just whether they can continue to grab sales.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

What happened to this once GREAT website?

The more I think about it the more I think it is more along the lines of what happens to most businesses. At first, there is an idea and a unique angle that attracts its core customers. They invest a bunch up front hoping that their offering becomes a sustainable endeavor. The overall vision requires some longer range thinking in order to implement.

Then after impressive growth, leadership still wants more! Over time, management begins to watch the spreadsheets closer, and they realize that if they optimize short term profits by cutting corners, er uh, cutting the wasteful things that the customer doesn't really want or isn't really willing to pay for. Soon they lose sight of what made them unique. Instead of having a vision, they simply use short-term metrics to make a sale. What made them unique isn't important anymore as the core customer is no longer worth pursuing. They want all the customers, and in the process they lose their identity and they become just another porn site.

That all being said, I think this site is at a crossroads. They probably have plenty of money, and as we (if we) emerge from the pandemic, maybe they will start finding better models and producing better scenes. Or they will go down the road of trying to become a ManyVids type of site with whatever crap happens to be posted not caring about whether any of it is any good, just whether they can continue to grab sales.

You sound very knowledgeable but I would suggest that many companies do not have excessive streams of cash.
In fact, cash in the bank for any organisation is a rare luxury.

I think they have high income, they have decent access to cash flow etc.
But in terms of millions or billions of Euros in the bank.
That is a feature reserved for the creme de la creme of blue chip companies like Apple, Microsoft, Amazon etc.

[dap-addict]

It basically comes all down now to the organization of Pornbox entry page.
It would be so much easier if core studios would come first always and have bigger thumbnails and all the other studios would be further down entry page.

And for those users unable to filter TS and gay porn to put those on right or left side only, marked as a special section.

Now it looks like a mess.
Core studio output than is fine-tuning. There need to be some changes as well, sure. But first now would be just to reorganize that First Entry Pornbox Page.

[Wildfire1212]

What in the actual f*uck is wrong with the people running this site? Puking and chinese gay porn on the front page?

Long way from hot DPs with Ria Sunn, Kristy Black and other hot babes when this site was the greatest. Now its just a sad pile of shit.

The financial situation of the company running this site must be so bad so they publish every video sent to them…

[davebowman]

It basically comes all down now to the organization of Pornbox entry page.
It would be so much easier if core studios would come first always and have bigger thumbnails and all the other studios would be further down entry page.

And for those users unable to filter TS and gay porn to put those on right or left side only, marked as a special section.

Now it looks like a mess.
Core studio output than is fine-tuning. There need to be some changes as well, sure. But first now would be just to reorganize that First Entry Pornbox Page.

Personally I think for the main page I would have the studios divided by big, clear, easy to navigate banding sections, each with a different backing colour. So you get for example a top banner of the latest few Gonzo videos, with a 'click for more videos' option, say in a black banner background colour. Then under that you could have a red background banner stripe across the screen with the latest Giorgio videos etc, and so on down the page, till we get the amateur homemade stuff at the bottom. If the owners are worried that the smaller indipendant producers would be annoyed at their product pushed to the bottom of the page - fine, do a 'New and Trending' section as well, and stick that nearer the top.

But however you do it, I think there needs to be some kind of organisation, along with an attractive design. Whilst displaying all the new videos together makes sense from an 'everyone is equal' viewpoint, it just makes this place boring to look at, and with so many videos from so many studios it's a nightmare to navigate.

[Paizal]

That's it. NONE of the studios here were nominated for anything. No mention of giorgio, or gonzo, or NRX, or VK, etc

I thought at first that it was just for US porn, but there were certainly international directors and studios there, in fact there were international categories.

You don't win AVN awards, you buy them. If a studio or director does not buy advertising space in their AVN magazine, they will not even be nominated. Why do you think the Vixen Group has been winning everything for years? Because they are one of the largest AVN donors.

[robin_reid]

That's it. NONE of the studios here were nominated for anything. No mention of giorgio, or gonzo, or NRX, or VK, etc

I thought at first that it was just for US porn, but there were certainly international directors and studios there, in fact there were international categories.

You don't win AVN awards, you buy them. If a studio or director does not buy advertising space in their AVN magazine, they will not even be nominated. Why do you think the Vixen Group has been winning everything for years? Because they are one of the largest AVN donors.

Same XBIZ