When will they train the GUYS not to be so BAD at fisting?

[Sir Noel]

A lot more fisting on this site in recent times which is fantastic, as far as i am concerned.

What is especially true is that a number of the girls are really taking it up a level. I don't think I can ever recall any other period in porn (in the 30+ years I have watched it) where so many models have been willing and (importantly) capable of being fisted anally, a number of them able to take two female fists or a guys fist. Incredible. Something I always thought was probably something only a select few women would even have the potential to do seems to be something which is trainable and attainable, given time and willingness, for a much wider percentage of women.

So that brings me to my frustration. Why is it that time and again I keep seeing these porn guys who have starred in hundreds of scenes suddenly turn into morons displaying all the sexual skill of a naive teenager about to lose their virginity as soon as they try and anally fist the female performers?

Giorgio has shown us just how many female models on this site can actually manage to take a male hand up to the wrist. He takes his time. He uses lube. It works.

This is how it ought to be.

So then we get the same (or other) girls in normal scenes and what happens? Well often we may first see another girl giving her a fisting. She will use lube. She will slowly push her hand inside her co-performers hole. She may then gradually raise the tempo, the depth or the thrusting. Later in the scene one of the moron guys decides he will have a try. So what does he do? Typically he will attempt to cram his bone dry hand straight up the girls asshole and when it doesn't go in will start thrusting it backwards and forwards with ever increasing ferocity until the girl pulls his hand away? I mean are these guys stupid or something? Do they somehow think because their hands are TWICE AS FUCKING BIG as a woman's hand that somehow that means lube and going steady aren't necessary?!?!?!!?!?

Seriously, some of these producers need to have a word with their teams of guys (actually, Angelo needs to have a word with himself as well because he is one of the offenders) because i think a lot of opportunities to see some of these wonderful ladies taking a guys fist up their ass go missing because of this odd idea here that somehow when a guy fists a girl up the ass it has to be done dry and violently (and unsuccessfully, as a result, 90% of the time).

[jjwhite1985]

Completely agree, couldn't have said it better myself. I think it comes down to two things. Fisting is quite a niche thing, so whether they're in porn or not, a lot of people just don't know how to perform the act, so end up unsuccessfully trying to ram their fists in with minimal lube. But as you say they could always be taught the right technique. Probably the bigger issue is that to do it properly would disrupt the flow of the scene. You need a shit ton of lube, which can get messy and isn't ideal when you're in the middle of trying to film a scene. And then you need to take your time to work your fist in. Unless the performer is one of the few "size queens", you can't just go from DAP or female fisting to male fisting seamlessly - the size difference is too big. For most girls you need to warm them up and take your time stretching them, but this interrupts the action and probably isn't seen as worth it to cater for the minority of viewers who want to see fisting.

[drevokocur66]

Right after they teach them not to tip fuck.

[Sir Noel]

Completely agree, couldn't have said it better myself. I think it comes down to two things. Fisting is quite a niche thing, so whether they're in porn or not, a lot of people just don't know how to perform the act, so end up unsuccessfully trying to ram their fists in with minimal lube. But as you say they could always be taught the right technique. Probably the bigger issue is that to do it properly would disrupt the flow of the scene. You need a shit ton of lube, which can get messy and isn't ideal when you're in the middle of trying to film a scene. And then you need to take your time to work your fist in. Unless the performer is one of the few "size queens", you can't just go from DAP or female fisting to male fisting seamlessly - the size difference is too big. For most girls you need to warm them up and take your time stretching them, but this interrupts the action and probably isn't seen as worth it to cater for the minority of viewers who want to see fisting.

I think you are right that the guys seem worried that they might slow the scene down (or interrupt the flow, as you say) if they pause to grab some lube or spend more than two seconds trying to work their hand in. However, this sentiment would make more sense if this also happened when the girls fist one another. If it was such a big deal for the producers/directors then why don't the girls try and "ram fuck" their dry hands up each others assholes but instead use some lube and take 30 or 40 seconds to work their hands in? Even the more aggressive fisters like Stacy Bloom, for example, still use lube and start off slow whereas the guys..... it is like trying to get an overexcited big dog to put your best crockery away!

[Sir Noel]

Right after they teach them not to tip fuck.

If they were half as successful at fisting as they are at tip-fucking I'd be happy

[jjwhite1985]

Completely agree, couldn't have said it better myself. I think it comes down to two things. Fisting is quite a niche thing, so whether they're in porn or not, a lot of people just don't know how to perform the act, so end up unsuccessfully trying to ram their fists in with minimal lube. But as you say they could always be taught the right technique. Probably the bigger issue is that to do it properly would disrupt the flow of the scene. You need a shit ton of lube, which can get messy and isn't ideal when you're in the middle of trying to film a scene. And then you need to take your time to work your fist in. Unless the performer is one of the few "size queens", you can't just go from DAP or female fisting to male fisting seamlessly - the size difference is too big. For most girls you need to warm them up and take your time stretching them, but this interrupts the action and probably isn't seen as worth it to cater for the minority of viewers who want to see fisting.

I think you are right that the guys seem worried that they might slow the scene down (or interrupt the flow, as you say) if they pause to grab some lube or spend more than two seconds trying to work their hand in. However, this sentiment would make more sense if this also happened when the girls fist one another. If it was such a big deal for the producers/directors then why don't the girls try and "ram fuck" their dry hands up each others assholes but instead use some lube and take 30 or 40 seconds to work their hands in? Even the more aggressive fisters like Stacy Bloom, for example, still use lube and start off slow whereas the guys..... it is like trying to get an overexcited big dog to put your best crockery away!

Yeah I get you, I really don't know why it happens. Maybe the lesbian fisting is a pre-planned part of the scene, whereas the male fisting isn't so they end up doing it "on the fly" and end up totally fucking it up.

[otto1219]

First, who is "they?" Who is going to do the "training?"

There's a very simple answer for this: bad direction.

If an actor isn't doing what the scene calls for, it's the director's responsibility to "direct" the action.
This is just more evidence of widespread and continuous lazy production values starting at the top with the big studios, viz., lousy camera work, constant changes in position, overexposure, viewers asking themselves "why aren't they showing the action," poor fisting technique, girls staring instead of sucking, etc.

Phone it in, directors, the lemmings will approve.
For more evidence of the laziness look at FistingFun and XfreaX. I think both of these are shot by GG, yet they are much better with all of the above, not perfect, but MUCH better...so, GG, at least, CAN do it if he is on set and involved. It would be a marked improvement if he, and others, showed they cared enough to shoot the big budget scenes with some of the remaining skill he obviously still has. They choose laziness.