Pornographic Evolution

[Seraph0257]

Being a child of the 80's I can remember sneaking a copy of Cheri or Club magazine, that was the extent of my porno access. Later on, VHS tapes and DVD's such as A-train, Brianna loves Jenna, and Raquel Released were my jam, and it was pretty strait porn, lesbian was still limited, and anal was rare. Forget about DP or stronger, you really had to look for the hard stuff, unless you had access to a Adult store, which were few and far between where I lived. Then came the internet, and porn exploded. I can remember spending hours on sites such as WorldofPorn, and FreeOnes, and most of it was pictures. Bandwidth wasn't very strong then so movies were pretty much just gifs under a minute, and 1-2 min vid clips, if you got lucky. As computers and computer tech improved, so did our access, to all porn. Within the last 10 years or so, porn has become available to all.

It began as sex, then lesbian and anal were taboo until they weren't. DP became what anal was, until that too wasn't. Now if you can think of it, it can pretty much be found. Puke and Piss were once taboo, not anymore. Personally, I can't stand any body fluid other than cum or squirt, but to each their own.

What's next? I'm just worried about what the next taboo that will be broken is? Will Skat become popular? Rape and Snuff films? I'm honestly concerned.

I'm just saying what I've been thinking for a while now, this isn't meant to get anyone's hackles raised.

Tell me what you think.

[Jocke]

I find scat disgusting but I am not worried that it will become popular. Snuff movies is of course a concern, even when it is not real, the idea that there are people who get radicalised in their evil perversions is worrying. Violence in general in Hollywood movies for sure normalise violence, even if only a fraction of viewers will act upon it.

I find BDSM in many cases as repulsive. Consider the terror of being put in a real torture chamber, for instance in Syria, North Korea or Myanmar and try to find something sexy in that? Then of course, people who wish to tie each other up, may do so in consent if they like.

Otherwise, things we do in consent, exploring our bodies, is radical just because someone has said so and it has gotten ingrained in our culture. Anal sex done in a pleasurable way is not more extreme than any other form of sex.

I am waiting for and hoping for that the next development is not something physically more extreme but something mentally more intriguing. The brain is our most important sex organ. I think a woman exposing some of her breasts and looking you in the eyes in a sexy way in real life can be more arousing than seeing a dick going into a butthole in a close up porn video. It is all about the fantasy!

[guaguancogomez]

Yes i do remember the 80s and 90s. Porn was much much softer than now days. And as far as I know women were paid more than now. Rocco productions Evil Angel and Private were huge companies and some women were really stars. Private was even trade at the stock markets and they filmed around the world. Other times.

Internet change everything and this companies almost gone bankcrupcy. Rocco still produce videos today but he is a small piece of what he use to be. Private for the young people means nothing. Pierre woodman who at that time was one of the greatest porn film producers today is a crappy bold man filming women in the room of a cheap hotel.

And the women. Jane Darling, Anita Queen, Lucy Lee, Sasha Grey, Daniella Rush, Nikki Anderson, Karma Rosemberg, Sandra Romain just to name a few were extremely beautiful girls. And i believe they made some good money. Lots of them shot nearly 300 videos and got well paid. All of them rarely shot a double anal and maybe one little piss video. Sandra Romain for example shoot more than 300 videos and I only remember the one piss video with max hardcore and a triple anal for Evil Angel. No more. And she was considered at that time an extreme performer.

Today there are beautiful girls. Timea Bella, Belle Claire, Veronica Leal, Natasha Teen, Evelina Darling, Cindy Shine, Mina. But in real terms they get paid 50% of the women name before and they have to perform harder stuff. Double Anal scenes is the new vainilla flavor. Pissing is something that 90% of the girls have to do. Even there are triple Anal scenes. Just a few are able to keep hire to perform without piss videos. Blanche Bradburry and maybe some few others.

And sadly for them just a few are able to shoot 150 videos or more. Lots of models shoot an anal scent then a Double Anal then a piss scene maybe 2 more videos and good bye.

Today It seems that Puke scenes are being filmed with more frequency. So maybe in the near future in some way or other Puke will be perform by lots of women.

Beyond that I dont know.

Something weird is also happening. In the 90s and early 2000s all the directors were men in their 40s. So it was a business run by middle age men with young women.Nowdays women direct really hard stuff. Natasha Teen, Florane Russell, Eden Ivy Shoot and direct in their own studios and they shoot videos were models do all the above mentioned. So is not something that old crazy men force women to do. Women do the very same thing. And do not forget the only fans kind of sites were some women too do really crazy stuff.

So this as many business are money driven. If the market is willing to pay for something, some body will produce that stuff.

Lets hope this do not end injure or affecting any body. But this is just wishful thinking.

[goodfella89]

I find scat disgusting but I am not worried that it will become popular. Snuff movies is of course a concern, even when it is not real, the idea that there are people who get radicalised in their evil perversions is worrying. Violence in general in Hollywood movies for sure normalise violence, even if only a fraction of viewers will act upon it.

I find BDSM in many cases as repulsive. Consider the terror of being put in a real torture chamber, for instance in Syria, North Korea or Myanmar and try to find something sexy in that? Then of course, people who wish to tie each other up, may do so in consent if they like.

Otherwise, things we do in consent, exploring our bodies, is radical just because someone has said so and it has gotten ingrained in our culture. Anal sex done in a pleasurable way is not more extreme than any other form of sex.

I am waiting for and hoping for that the next development is not something physically more extreme but something mentally more intriguing. The brain is our most important sex organ. I think a woman exposing some of her breasts and looking you in the eyes in a sexy way in real life can be more arousing than seeing a dick going into a butthole in a close up porn video. It is all about the fantasy!

+1

[Paizal]

I think it will get a bit more extreme in the next few years before the bubble bursts and things start to calm down again.

At the moment, everything has to be harder and more extreme. Also because the LV/AV clientele is now completely jaded. The same is true for the girls. I keep reading about the beautiful EU/RU girls...I don't see them. I see them working in the US for the Vixen Group, but I don't see them at GG or GONZO. At GG/GONZO, all I see are emaciated, tattooed, used-up bar ladies. But that will change again in the next few years. At some point, people will again want to look at a sweet face without tattoos.

LP/AV is heading for the climax of extreme trash porn and everything starts all over again. Porn is a cycle.

[Starrio]

As long as girls get fucked in the ass and pissed on the face I'm happy, everything else I can usually experience it in real life.

[davebowman]

Well I do think porn has evolved into generally more extreme over the years, I'm not sure it's gone all that far yet, and it does seem to have reached some limits. Max Hardcore pushed the boundaries to new levels back in the early 2000's, but since he went to jail no one has really stepped up to that level since, so I think we are a long way from stuff like scat becoming mainstream. The banks and credit card processing companies still seem to have a very large say in what can, and cannot be shown. Until someone breaks that stranglehold, I don't think things will get too extreme - at least in terms of mainstream producers.

[Paizal]

But you can't seriously compare Max Hardcore to the stuff GG or Gonzo produces. Max Hardcore was a decrepit old man squeezing 3 drops of piss out of his shriveled miniature penis.Girls nowadays get 3 monster cocks up their asses while being choked and slapped and at the same time having to drink 2 liters of piss. That's a whole other level of extreme.

[Jocke]

Nowdays women direct really hard stuff. Natasha Teen, Florane Russell, Eden Ivy Shoot and direct in their own studios and they shoot videos were models do all the above mentioned. So is not something that old crazy men force women to do. Women do the very same thing. And do not forget the only fans kind of sites were some women too do really crazy stuff.

I believe men and women are equally dirty minded. It is of course different to be a male porn consumer who likes to see girls get pissed on and to be said girls. If you watch Lydia Black, I promise you will be convinced that she loves watersports. She wouldn't be wearing a t-shirt saying "I would rather be drinking piss" if she wasn't. Look at the scene where she in anticipation begs Mike Adriano to pee in her mouth. Same with all sorts of Taboo sex popular these days, they cater to women to a higher degree. Women like dirty fantasies a bit more than men who are more visual. Women read extremely dirty taboo stuff and we think it is softer because it is a book!?

[davebowman]

But you can't seriously compare Max Hardcore to the stuff GG or Gonzo produces. Max Hardcore was a decrepit old man squeezing 3 drops of piss out of his shriveled miniature penis.Girls nowadays get 3 monster cocks up their asses while being choked and slapped and at the same time having to drink 2 liters of piss. That's a whole other level of extreme.

Sure, it's more cocks in the ass, but it's still a bit tame compared to girls vomiting in each other's mouths (and I am talking about real puke with chunks, not this weak regurgitated fluid and drool that passes for puke now), having their asshole's pulled open with speculums, sticking plastic tubes in and drinking piss from their own assholes. Let alone getting throat fucked by a cock that's pissing at the time, and all the dodgy underage age play.

Regardless, I don't think we are seeing a straightforward 'more extreme every year' evolution, but something which goes in fits and starts. And whilst we have a relative level of internet freedom in the West right now in most countries, there's no guarantee things won't change in the future, and some regressive conservative regimes come to power and start restricting things.

[davebowman]

My personal hunch as to where porn might 'evolve' next over the next 20 years is less to do with extreme acts, and more following societal trends. Looking at the current generation of kids growing up, they seem to be very confused when it comes to definitions of male and female, where it seems that anyone can identify as whatever they feel like, and a big shaming pressure if anyone disagrees. So I wouldn't be suprised if in 20 years the current boy/girl and gay genres are largely obsolete in current terms, and mainstream porn is just one big bisexual free-for-all. People will just grow up thinking that's the normal thing, and anything else is niche and weird.

It's not something I'd be personally thrilled about, but I can see how we might get there.

[dap-addict]

Being a child of the 80's I can remember sneaking a copy of Cheri or Club magazine, that was the extent of my porno access. Later on, VHS tapes and DVD's such as A-train
(...)It began as sex, then lesbian and anal were taboo until they weren't. DP became what anal was, until that too wasn't.

I lobbied myself 15y for DP to get replaced by DAP and in around 2015 it actually happened. It was also around the time piss got taken out of German niche porn films into LP mainstream. And that 2015 is basically were stand until now, ie. very traditional basic anal porn - with maybe some wet from time to time.

But most other users want apparently more and what happened in my POV is side-fetishes like wet, kreme, bdsm, prolapse, TS, bi overtaking sex, replacing simple b/g sex even.

Where does it lead?
In my worse dreams I forsee sex being a pure by-product if at all, but naked ppl vomiting and pissing on each other and users buying that. Sex gets than put into private cupboards and behind curtains again. And a new sexual liberation movement has to start at scrap in 2030.

[Jocke]

So I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years the current boy/girl and gay genres are largely obsolete in current terms, and mainstream porn is just one big bisexual free-for-all. People will just grow up thinking that's the normal thing, and anything else is niche and weird.

I think this is certain. Some if it has already happened. Girls lick each other in every scene with two girls, few reflect over the homosexuality. We expect that girls who clearly are into other girls will be just as aroused by the male talents, so in essence, we expect every girl to be bisexual.

It is also to a large degree heterosexual men who watch lesbian porn. Some of these girls would never do a b/g, yet guys drool over them to no avail.

We also expect guys to rub dicks, no issue.

When trans girls are present, they are fucked by guys we previously viewed as heterosexual after having fucked hundreds of girls on video. I don't think we view them as as homosexual and maybe not even bisexual if the transgirls are very feminine. Maybe just open minded?

I remember when assfucking was viewed as something only for gay men and thought of as disgustingly dirty. Then we started to put our dicks into womens asses and thought "Hey, maybe the gay guys weren't that wrong?"

[beklof]

Being a child of the 80's I can remember sneaking a copy of Cheri or Club magazine, that was the extent of my porno access. Later on, VHS tapes and DVD's such as A-train, Brianna loves Jenna, and Raquel Released were my jam, and it was pretty strait porn, lesbian was still limited, and anal was rare. Forget about DP or stronger, you really had to look for the hard stuff, unless you had access to a Adult store, which were few and far between where I lived. Then came the internet, and porn exploded. I can remember spending hours on sites such as WorldofPorn, and FreeOnes, and most of it was pictures. Bandwidth wasn't very strong then so movies were pretty much just gifs under a minute, and 1-2 min vid clips, if you got lucky. As computers and computer tech improved, so did our access, to all porn. Within the last 10 years or so, porn has become available to all.

It began as sex, then lesbian and anal were taboo until they weren't. DP became what anal was, until that too wasn't. Now if you can think of it, it can pretty much be found. Puke and Piss were once taboo, not anymore. Personally, I can't stand any body fluid other than cum or squirt, but to each their own.

What's next? I'm just worried about what the next taboo that will be broken is? Will Skat become popular? Rape and Snuff films? I'm honestly concerned.

I'm just saying what I've been thinking for a while now, this isn't meant to get anyone's hackles raised.

Tell me what you think.

Good and interesting topic! Personally, I am one of the older consumers of porn and there are many memories.

The beginning was just porn magazines and on top of all that, hardcore porn was banned by law in my own country so it all happened under the counter, so to speak. There were certain types of shops that we knew would sell porn magazines even though the name of the shop didn’t hint anything out there.

Then came a short interlude where I bought a movie projector where I got to buy a few porn scenes. What I clearly remember was that the projector made a terrible noise!

And then in 1982 I bought my first VHS recorder, the brand was Hitachi. It revolutionized everything related to porn for me! Stores that rent and sell film cassettes sprang up like mushrooms. My absolute favorite was German porn. Among them, you found porn for every taste and besides, the German language is like being created for porn. Instead, I found American porn just boring and practically didn’t watch it at all. And one great thing regarding VHS cassettes ... great covers on many of them!

But then one day VHS was a thing of the past and came after DVDs and BluRay discs that looked really indifferent after the stunning VHS cases. I remember being able to buy a dozen DVD porn discs at once from a sex shop and often ordered them directly from Germany as well. This phase lasted about 15 years and then a new revolution took place in the form of the internet.

Then if I think about the content of porn, then at least in German porn there was everything possible available already at the time of VHS. There was everything possible anal, pissing, gangbang, bondage, inzest, cum playing, you name it. One exception, though, is dap. Or at least I don't remember seeing German porn cassettes with double anal at the time.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I remember the seedy days of being able to watch porn in the cinemas! Then porn evolved to VHS. That was followed by DVDs. Then soon it was followed by porn on the internet.

In the last 40 years, porn has evolved so many times but the one constant has always been that porn will continue to exist and clearly it sells.

[Paizal]

(...) but the one constant has always been that porn will continue to exist and clearly it sells.

In the next 10 years, things will probably change as never before. The US studio die-off started 10-15 years ago and is really picking up again. It spreads to [spam] and this cheaply produced self-marketing is basically the complete opposite to the expensive high end productions of Mason or JJV from the 2000s.


Bold prediction: around 2030 CGI porn is the next big thing. No more getting annoyed with too many tattoos, too small or big breasts - people create their desire porn.You want to see Jennifer Lopez taking two cocks in her big ass? Here you have it.

[misangrenegra2]

Clearly the trendings has been change during these years.

In the 2000's to 2012 +- genres like bukkake/blowbang/lesbian were more popular than these days, they were shooted by good directors but they fallen to a particular niches. Today they are shoot but the quantity and quality are not the same. Not the same situation with anal/gangbangs/DP, they still growing up and be the trending in porn nowadays

Currently we are living how piss/wet content is trending here in AV (a lot of scenes are based in this fetish), in USA is forbidden so is something that they dont shoot but surely would more porn films based on piss if they could.

TS porn, is growing up during these last years and being shooted by big studios here and famous US porn sites. Currently is getting normalized and catching new costumers and i'm sure will be trending more years.

Bi or gay content could get more popularity but its hard to say but definetly TS porn will eclipse these 2 genres.

Something that i noticed is how plataforms like [spam] and other with the same purpose lets that anyone can shoot their own material, seriously, i dont know what people find that content interesting based in a objective thought of the quality... In my opinion about the content, there are a very very very few decent stuff...., in general is too much amateur and unprofessional or based in fetishes but with a low quality, as i said, there are a very few exceptions out there. Also if we are aware of the prices...some of them are too much expensive(including custom content) for a low quality content

That makes that even professional girl/guys make their own content and be establish more competence (including the all amateur content of these plataforms)with the big porn productions.

some years ago the content were centralizated in professional studios, obviously were exist little studios but now anyone can make porn even in their home with a videocamera.

As other user said, 3d porn with a good CGI technic could be grow in the future, more if they let you custome whatever you want.

Dont know if some genre/fetish could be a trending again as before like the 3 ones i mentioned in the beggining.

[Sir Noel]

davebowman mentioned Max Hardcore as an example and there have been many.
Has anyone referenced Brandon Iron's Slap Happy series?
Go back to the 60s/70s and some large European pornographers produced beastiality and even dabbled in child porn (Color Climax was certainly one) so the idea that somehow this has been a linear progression to more and more extreme stuff.
Same could be said of Rocco Siffredi. Go back to his prime years and his productionsay not have shown any harder acts than they do today but they often had these European castings and scenes with girls who clearly had next to no experience or knowledge of what they were about to shoot. In comparison his material today is highly sanitised.
The only trend I find genuinely disturbing nowadays is prolapse. Encouraging performers to "improve" their prolapse (ie make their medical condition worse) and then demonstrate how far down the path to requiring corrective surgery they have progressed is one of the sickest trends I have ever witnessed in 35 years of watching porn

[davebowman]

Bold prediction: around 2030 CGI porn is the next big thing. No more getting annoyed with too many tattoos, too small or big breasts - people create their desire porn.You want to see Jennifer Lopez taking two cocks in her big ass? Here you have it.

This. I predict it will take a little longer for the technology to get there, and for it to become affordable enough to be mainstream, but the combination of CGI and AI is going to have a big impact on porn evolution eventually. At some point everyone's going to have a little box under the TV that can deepfake any celebrity, actress or aquantance you have a photo of - or generate someone new based on the best bits of your personal favourites. You'll be able to put them in whatever situation, outfit etc you desire, and it will look photo realistic, and the AI will give the actor bots enough leeway to ineract without it being completely obviously mechanical. Will people still be prepared to pay for porn, and studios be able to cope, once the users can just generate whatever scanario they want on demand?

I'm hoping this will all be after my lifetime, but in 100 years time this will probably be where mainstream porn is.

[Jocke]

When someone call Rocco Siffredi "cuckold" you know they are insane.

[Iddaoeeok]

When someone call Rocco Siffredi "cuckold" you know they are insane.

I don't know about insane but there's definitely some massive insecurity problems with that particular poster, plus I wish he'd learn some new words.

[RUShersgapersrises]

Girls nowadays get 3 monster cocks up their asses while being choked and slapped and at the same time having to drink 2 liters of piss. That's a whole other level of extreme.

And yet they are still brutally underpayed, minimally compared with best models arround 2010.This is a consequence of why we see most of models what we see here.We will never see again girls like in early LP/AV years.They have a lot of other options and they don't let make themselves a tear-off calendar bcs of a couple of bucks.Some still yes but will end with these news bollox.

When I summarize and shorten it, its grows and increases the frequency (track time) of trends that are simply ASEXUAL.I apologize to the author of the topic but basically thrash empty straw because in the last year there have been countless similar ones.In any case, its DISGUSTING and one loses interest even for that very little bit that was quite good here.

[Paizal]

And yet they are still brutally underpayed, minimally compared with best models arround 2010.

The studios certainly suffer from piracy and so do the girls. At the same time, the girls have never had such extensive opportunities for self-marketing. Many sell 4 minute solo clips for $99 on OF. That didn't exist a few years ago.

[Iloveshebi547]

My personal hunch as to where porn might 'evolve' next over the next 20 years is less to do with extreme acts, and more following societal trends. Looking at the current generation of kids growing up, they seem to be very confused when it comes to definitions of male and female, where it seems that anyone can identify as whatever they feel like, and a big shaming pressure if anyone disagrees. So I wouldn't be suprised if in 20 years the current boy/girl and gay genres are largely obsolete in current terms, and mainstream porn is just one big bisexual free-for-all. People will just grow up thinking that's the normal thing, and anything else is niche and weird.

It's not something I'd be personally thrilled about, but I can see how we might get there.

"Bisexuality doesn't mean halfway between gay or straight. It is its own identity. At the end of the day, we're all bisexual. A hundred years from now, there's not gonna be gay or straight. There's gonna be everything."
(Let's go bi)

[101mike101]

I think extreme porn has reached its limits. Because the hottest ladies in porn won't do it. And when it's only the less good-looking ladies doing it, then this limits its appeal. Because the hotness of a scene depends not only on the action, but also on how hot the lady is.

I don't know in which direction porn will evolve. But I can say for myself that my interest in porn has changed from wanting to see the hot lady get nailed to wanting to see guys make a connection with the lady and experience some quiet intimacy with her. So, instead of constant banging for the lady, I now prefer to see the guy enter the chick with his dick and suck her tits or masturbate her clit, or something like that while just staying inside her with his cock, without banging her. The banging I also want to see, but not all the time. The guy should take his time and bang her only once in a while, but not all the time.

Perhaps this change in my interest has something to do with me getting older. And if lots of other porn-fans are also getting older, then this might be the direction in which porn will evolve. Because porn-makers will make whatever porn-fans want to buy.

I now find constant banging, whenever the guy enters the lady, annoying. I feel that the guy should take a break once in a while and just stay with his cock inside the lady to experience some intimacy with her. And to entertain himself and the lady, he should focus on other things, such sucking her tits or masturbating her clit with a well lubricated hand. Banging should happen only once in a while, and not all the time. There is no reason why the guy can't just stay deep insider her with his cock and enjoy her like that, instead of banging her all the time as soon as he enters the lady.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I do not think extreme porn has reached its limit yet. I think over time, more girls and in particular more girls who are more "hot and attractive" will buy into the need to perform extreme porn.

For quite a lot of people, even on LP/AV - things like DAP, TAP, QUAP, buttrosing/prolapsing, vomit porn, TS porn etc are still a taboo.

I think it will take time before these views change.

[Paizal]

I think it will take time before these views change.

Personally, I don't think so. These acts are exciting for many at the beginning because they are new. But the more you see these scenes, you may come to a point where you say "TAP/QAP is bullshit. It's complete bullshit because there's hardly any penetration in those scenes. That's just camera magic". The same applies to guts hanging out. Somewhere there comes a point where you probably say "Actually, I watch porn to see sex. To watch an attractive lady having sex. Chewing on guts has nothing to do with sex - it's just a freak show".

So I think a lot of people are taking a step back and saying "Hey b/g anal is cool too" instead of taking another step towards the extreme. And so you swing back and forth. Sometimes a bit more classic, sometimes a bit harder. I think LP/AV is very close to the border of disgusting trash porn, but they won't cross that line IMO. Because at some point people will again have more desire for attractiveness, for eroticism.

Of course, there will be sick people who cross these boundaries. But they will leave AV/LP behind to watch a woman being slashed on the darknet while having sex with dogs.