Why only hardcore?

[mr mystica]

Mia Piper, Barcelona and many other cute teens only got hardcore sircus sex with DP and stuff, but sometimes i also want a bit of soft and most cute teens starts or at least got some softer stuff too. And to me it`s about a warmup, to not just dive into the desert from the start.
What about having a studio based on more soft stuff. I mean, you alreay have tons of generes, so why not?

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I think hardcore porn is what LegalPorno/AnalVids is most famous for. If you want softcore porn, there are plenty of places you could find that.
The type of hardcore porn here is what sells and what paying customers want to see.

[avanfurwet]

Well, they have Porn World (ex-DDF).
But lately they seem to be taking that studio in a more hardcore direction. Presumably for commercial reasons.

[Tito1981]

I love hardcore porn like legalporn but sometimes it's too much with this nonsense double anal sometimes even tripled anal I like more double penetration I noticed the model enjoying one dick in ass the other one in pussy.

[hjohjole]

No. Hardcore is a must. And it should be mandatory for all new girls entering porn.

But that being said i can certainly accept if the first scene (or even first few scenes) are a bit softer than average. If its only a brand new teen babe that is usually plenty of excitement all by its own to me.
But after that things needs to progress in to harder territory. There is absolutely nothing better in porn than seeing a shy inexperienced teen gradually being transformed in to a submissive anal whore with no limits.

Some people here however, have no patience and always want to skip straight to the no limits part. That is a big problem and a big reason why we see so many rugged old women in the scenes and so few pretty young teens. Because they are the only ones that can do it.
And that is probably fine for the people with low standards and no taste. I think some of those people could probably watch a scene with a horse as long as it had a bit of lipstick on it and two dicks in the ass.
But for the rest of us that is a big problem.

Most directors also seem to be all out of ideas when it comes to progressing from soft in to hard. And that is the other reason why the quality of porn has stagnated right now.
I made a post on it previously here.
viewtopic.php?f=96&t=29255#p406929

[stewpidaz]

Mia Piper, Barcelona and many other cute teens only got hardcore sircus sex with DP and stuff, but sometimes i also want a bit of soft and most cute teens starts or at least got some softer stuff too. And to me it`s about a warmup, to not just dive into the desert from the start.
What about having a studio based on more soft stuff. I mean, you alreay have tons of generes, so why not?

Plenty of sites out there for some vanilla shit, try bangbros or some shitty US porn sites for starters

[DPraved]

I both agree and disagree with mr mystica.

Complete anal defilement of cuties is necessary and is what keeps me hooked on this platform. However if some studios such as Vira Gold for example, were to begin creating two-part scenes with much longer tease-segments like in the recent Sofi Li & Carla Cage scene, with just the girls showing off how cute they are and some touching and lez play, I would most definitely buy it, provided the girls get hammered in part two.

I think introducing more softcore or even BTS-intros before the anal mayhem starts could provide some exciting contrast with the cutest models. I'm so very tired of the trashy, uninspired intros that are practically synonymous with European hardcore.

[Starrio]

I'm the opposite, slow intros without penetration are boring, that's what real life is already, a bunch of foreplay and a little bit of sex at the end, I don't want to pay for that.

I would say keep the European fuck them right away style which is the reason we became costumers in the first place.

[DPraved]

That's why I suggest a split scene format, with longer softcore intros/storylines, for customers who would be willing to pay extra for such things.

[Starrio]

Yeah, that actually works. Galla already does that. They have a Regina Moonshine video with toys and one when she gets fucked in the ass by black cock. It is not a bad idea to make everyone happy.

[DPraved]

Toys are boring as fuck though. My ideal tease before hardcore would either be very soft, in order to establish the model as too cute for porn, or play out some sort of scenario where we get to follow the girl through some not overly sexual scenarios before she she gets her ass into trouble. Porn movies used to do much of this in the old days and I miss that a lot. Fucking and video quality has improved tremendously compared to 20+ years ago, but the settings and stores got sacrificed for profits along the way.

[Starrio]

PornWorld still does that stuff. I see it on the trailers.

[mr mystica]

I agree with DPraved that intos is cool, if ir is about presenting the girls and a little striptease or whetever.
And i know there exists wanilla and soft porn. I just wanted to present the suggestion to have a "warmup" thing added to the hardcores tuff.
Also, the girls i mentioned and many others doesn`t have any softporn scenes and those websites also seem to understand makeup and general style in a more "taseteful" way, so it would be interesting to see the already cute beautiful girls in a scenario without too much makeup and in a different light. You know, acyually see how the girls actuallt looks like in a more natural setting.

[mr mystica]

Another thing that irritates me is that NRX and VK studios is just another version of the same thing. A football team of guys who pees on the girl and DP her over and over again is the norm. Yeah, i know. That is pop and you want to earn money, but couldn`t at least one of those studios be more of an alternternative to the norm? Progression is not possible without diviations from the norm and without progression, the fall in popularity will emerge. The only difference is a more fancy production and that the guys are usually younger and acts like they are.
I would also like to have more lez scenes with anal. I don`t need to see a guy all the time, i mean, i`m not gay and i have an imagination, you know...

[mr mystica]

Well spoken otto

And it comes to a point where the hardcore versus even more hardcore bites itself in the tail and the counter reaction happens. The most important thing about hardcore is not how extreme it needs to be. The most important thing in my humble opinion is diversity and quality.

[Starrio]

Yeah softcore is no penetration.

Hardcore is penetration.

It's users that have different ideas, but those terms remain.

Although we all understand that something that is more soft can still be hardcore, and just because something is hardcore it doesn't mean it can't be more hardcore.

I honestly like the traditional repetitive nature of European porn.

That's what makes it stand out.

In United States they do intros, acting, plots, and it doesn't work unless it's a subscription.

For hardcore fans that want to pay money for individual videos the goal is to get the most penetration possible for the buck.

So in other words the more time the girl gets penetrated the better the deal.

Think of it like privates in cam websites. People pay for time with the girl.

Well, for individually bought videos in the mind of costumers it is the same thing, but applied to penetration.

Fans want to see their favorite girls fucked in the ass over and over again, and the more they get fucked the better.

We basically pay to have the girl penetrated in the ass because it is pleasing to the senses.

This is why you see fans requesting the same hot girls to have another release, with more guys if possible, because that translates to the girls getting more penetration, and the more she gets penetrated the better.

So the typical European format of fucking the girl right away is not only the best way to optimize time, it is also hot because you don't see that in real life.

This is why people pay for these videos individually because they want to see these girls getting penetrated a lot, with more guys if necessary.

A big part of the satisfaction of paying is to know that your money is causing that girl to keep getting fucked in the ass, more and more, by more guys, and more frequently.

In a subscription this doesn't matter, it is more about variety, and settings, and fantasies, so because it is a set price there is more freedom to experiment.

LP has got to this point because throughout the years they have optimized what the big majority of costumers want, which is more penetration for the girls.

Which works out perfectly because that also allows for a bigger output which is another thing we want, which is more videos with the girls we like because we want to see them getting fucked again and again.

That said, this still leaves space for certain things, for example costumes and outfits, they can still fit in this format because they don't need a plot, or roleplaying, they just need to make the girl look hot.

For example school girl, cheerleader, sports outfits, nurse, cop, soldier, maid, super heroine, gym clothes, girl next door clothes, galla party dress, pajamas, etc..

Those things can still work because the girl can still be penetrated with an outfit, and the stripping can occur while the penetration is happening already.

Which is a good way to make the same exact girl look hot in many different ways and still make it feel like variety, so you get to shoot two birds at the same time.

But ultimately yes, the European way is the best and far superior format than the American long intros waste of time way.

Sudden instant sex is just hot because the girl is there and seconds later she is already feeling the cock getting fucked in the ass and will continue to get fucked in the ass for the next hour or so, which is a beautiful thing we all gladly pay for.

[Starrio]

And I forgot to mention the quality of the penetration does matter too, so balls deep is always superior than tip fucking. Bigger fatter dicks are better than slim dicks, and if you combine two dicks you get the equivalent of a bigger dick, so that can help, but only in the wide aspect, in the deep aspect even one on one can do the job, and if they can alternate you can still get more penetration which also makes it for a better video.

[Starrio]

A lot of it has to do with the costumer's exposure. Some people don't go through certain thresholds, and others do.

It comes down to your belief system mostly. If you are an open minded guy you are more flexible with the things you will allow yourself to accept.

For example I consider myself very open minded, and that's why I have been able to allow myself to be exposed to certain type of things and go through those thresholds.

But I also know I'm not completely open minded, so there are things that I would never cross because my beliefs system won't allow it.

When I joined LP on February last year I honestly didn't care for DAP, but after seeing it so much it doesn't bother me anymore.

The same thing goes with rosebuds and fisting, which is something I never even wanted to see, but now is something I can definitely watch.

It doesn't mean I enjoy those things as much as others, but I have definitely grown an appreciation for those things even though they are not things I seek.

So basically if I see them I can actually enjoy them now, and if you ask me if I enjoyed those things before last year, I definitely didn't, so perspective change depending of the exposure.

Piss was something I didn't care for either, and now I love it, and I definitely prefer piss scenes the most. These things just grow on you with the right soil.

However I understand people that don't cross certain thresholds because I don't cross certain thresholds myself.

For example I can never make myself watch transexuals because it feels abusive. At a conscious level I know that's not the case, but because I'm straight, watching men getting defiled would feel like real life rape, even though I know it isn't, and I know they are doing it willingly.

So that's what makes the difference. A lot of guys are very empathetic with women and don't want to see them struggle. For me I don't want to see them struggle emotionally, just physically, so I'm half way there.

So if a guy is abusing a women verbally, and making her emotional, that's just too much for me to accept, and I can get angry, even wanting to beat that guy.

But if the guy is making her ass sore, her legs tremble, and she is feeling uncomfortable physically because of deep penetration, then I'm actually turned on by that pain. As long as she is not emotionally affected, that's my threshold, but that's not the case for everyone.

Ultimately we all seem to agree penetration is the most important aspect of it, and the quality of the penetration of course, so if we start from there we can still have some variety, and give everyone something they can enjoy.

[Starrio]

I forgot to say, that's also why I understand guys that don't like manhandle. They are just more in touch with their feminine energy than I am, so they feel more empathetic to women experiencing physical humiliation.

This is why I don't really criticize them unless they enter into white knight territory in which case it become political, and that's just annoying, but if they legitimately don't like it, I can respect that.

The problem is when they start confusing reality with fiction and actually believe the performer is getting abused which we all know is not the case, but because they are seeing it with their eyes they actually believe is real, and that's actually a compliment to the great work many studios do with these things.

[DPraved]

PornWorld still does that stuff. I see it on the trailers.

Good point!
I pretty much ignore Porn World though, because of an age old aversion to the DDF style in general, and Porn World has that same look to my eyes as DDF. I think it's a combination of the "fake-classy" look and feel of the scenes and the comparatively "soft" action; I want to see young women getting fucked, not watch people have sex in front of a camera.

I agree with DPraved that intos is cool, if ir is about presenting the girls and a little striptease or whetever.
And i know there exists wanilla and soft porn. I just wanted to present the suggestion to have a "warmup" thing added to the hardcores tuff.
Also, the girls i mentioned and many others doesn`t have any softporn scenes and those websites also seem to understand makeup and general style in a more "taseteful" way, so it would be interesting to see the already cute beautiful girls in a scenario without too much makeup and in a different light. You know, acyually see how the girls actuallt looks like in a more natural setting.

I completely agree about softporn scenes having a much better understanding of styling and makeup. I hope that, one day, someone will create a pair of scenes where the first part is actual video footage of a professional quality, softcore photo shoot, like Met-Art etc, and then followed up the hardcore gangfucking we all know and love, but with the softcore styling. I would buy both parts in a heartbeat, but I would never buy softcore content without a hardcore part two.

[mr mystica]

[/quote] I completely agree about softporn scenes having a much better understanding of styling and makeup. I hope that, one day, someone will create a pair of scenes where the first part is actual video footage of a professional quality, softcore photo shoot, like Met-Art etc, and then followed up the hardcore gangfucking we all know and love, but with the softcore styling.[/quote]

Exactly! It would be the best of two worlds!
But i also want to see more diversity towards each model used. So not every scene is multiple guys on one girl, but also to have 1 0on 1 scenes to have something for everyone. And it also matter how the scene is shot.