What did porn ruin?

[JackBallBall]

I feel bad for young women growing up now. Videos of hard deepthroat face fucking and rough anal give the impression these are normal parts of sex. There must be more pressure to do these things then back before video and internet porn.

[Pineapples Studio]

Porn can be used as a psychological weapon like anything else. That doesn’t make it inherently bad. I would argue that tabloid magazines have had a far more detrimental effect on young girls than anything the porn industry has ever done.

All things in their proper context. There is an interesting debate we could have about the ease of access minors have to porn these days, and the effect that may have on their sexuality and/or self-image, but I think it’s too easy to say that porn itself is the problem. Porn and erotica have existed in various forms since the dawn of civilization.

[avanfurwet]

I think universally available Facebook and Instagram have generated exponentially more pressures on more young people who are manipulated to try to look and behave and consume in certain ways.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

A sense of innocence in life, in love, relationships and women...

[asspatties]

A sense of innocence in life, in love, relationships and women...

Well said. Pretty much sums it up.

[Pineapples Studio]

You really think porn has ruined those things? Are you sure it’s not just the effect of aging and learning more about how the world works? Or maybe it is only your experience with porn (and, potentially, addiction to porn) that has ruined these things for you.

Again, I think it’s very easy to just pin the woes of modernity on porn and be done with it, but that doesn’t reflect the truth of the matter. Porn has always been around in some form. Adults have always had avenues to explore these types of feelings.

[101mike101]

I feel bad for young women growing up now. Videos of hard deepthroat face fucking and rough anal give the impression these are normal parts of sex. There must be more pressure to do these things then back before video and internet porn.

There is a wide range of porn for people to watch. The hardest and the roughest porn is only a small part of it. When people are exposed to a wide range of porn, then they naturally gravitate towards the kind of porn they like. And having such a wide range of porn to experience is something to celebrate, rather than feel sorry about.

Because you don't know what you like and enjoy, until you try it. Being exposed to a wide range of porn enables people to find out for themselves what they like and gravitate towards that.

Women watch porn less than men. But I've read porn-star interviews, some of these ladies have watched a lot of porn, before they themselves became porn-stars. So, porn enabled these ladies to find out what kind of porn they like and what kind of porn they want to do.

[TheVulture]

There is a wide range of porn for people to watch. The hardest and the roughest porn is only a small part of it. When people are exposed to a wide range of porn, then they naturally gravitate towards the kind of porn they like. And having such a wide range of porn to experience is something to celebrate, rather than feel sorry about.

Because you don't know what you like and enjoy, until you try it. Being exposed to a wide range of porn enables people to find out for themselves what they like and gravitate towards that.

Women watch porn less than men. But I've read porn-star interviews, some of these ladies have watched a lot of porn, before they themselves became porn-stars. So, porn enabled these ladies to find out what kind of porn they like and what kind of porn they want to do.

I think the poster was talking more generally though in the sense of how it being easy for young people to access very hardcore porn influences that whole generation of kids (ie not so much in terms of an individual and their own porn tastes). I think there is definitely something in that. I grew up in the late 80s/early 90s and back then the only access to porn was via top shelf mags and the occasional treasure trove find of mags discarded in a bush or via someone's dad's collection poorly hidden in a wardrobe or whatever. That scarcity coupled with the softcore nature (just naked women basically) does in many ways feel sensible at that age and sort of pricks your interest (and obviously your hormones) without being any kind of overload or potentially damaging. I mean, just seeing a naked woman at that age (say, 15 or 16) was enough for me to just about explode with lust. I didn't need anything more.

I was then 25 before I bought my first hardcore VHS film and things built from there which yes, was very natural but also at my own pace.

It is certainly hard for me to imagine a different scenario by which I might be 16 years-old and instead of having a small and hard-earned stash of porn mags (much like a formative record collection) I'm exposed daily to hardcore AV/LP style content via my mobile phone or tablet or whatever. It's too much too young surely? There are obviously lots of studies around this and we don't yet know the full effects (and can't possibly for maybe another 10-20 years at least) but it does very much feel like a troubling concept for these kids and I really don't envy them. And I agree with the poster that it is probably especially bad for girls in terms of pressure to move too fast but don't discount the effect on boys and their libidos also. Seeing extreme sex acts very early is definitely going to mess with their brains subconsciously if not consciously.

It is very difficult to know what can be done as really the genie is out of the bottle and there are limits to how any society can contain the relentless advancement of technology coupled with a free market capitalism that is loathe to place any restrictions on itself. So I really don't know what happens next. But I do agree with the poster in that I prefer the more moderate voyeuristic porn journey that I undertook over a much longer period of time, which probably in itself has done some "damage" (brain receptors etc.) but nothing I am too uncomfortable with or impacts on my life in a particularly destructive way and certainly all of which was entirely via my own choosing.

[netzerkaiser]

There is a wide range of porn for people to watch. The hardest and the roughest porn is only a small part of it. When people are exposed to a wide range of porn, then they naturally gravitate towards the kind of porn they like. And having such a wide range of porn to experience is something to celebrate, rather than feel sorry about.

Because you don't know what you like and enjoy, until you try it. Being exposed to a wide range of porn enables people to find out for themselves what they like and gravitate towards that.

Women watch porn less than men. But I've read porn-star interviews, some of these ladies have watched a lot of porn, before they themselves became porn-stars. So, porn enabled these ladies to find out what kind of porn they like and what kind of porn they want to do.

I think the poster was talking more generally though in the sense of how it being easy for young people to access very hardcore porn influences that whole generation of kids (ie not so much in terms of an individual and their own porn tastes). I think there is definitely something in that. I grew up in the late 80s/early 90s and back then the only access to porn was via top shelf mags and the occasional treasure trove find of mags discarded in a bush or via someone's dad's collection poorly hidden in a wardrobe or whatever. That scarcity coupled with the softcore nature (just naked women basically) does in many ways feel sensible at that age and sort of pricks your interest (and obviously your hormones) without being any kind of overload or potentially damaging. I mean, just seeing a naked woman at that age (say, 15 or 16) was enough for me to just about explode with lust. I didn't need anything more.

I was then 25 before I bought my first hardcore VHS film and things built from there which yes, was very natural but also at my own pace.

It is certainly hard for me to imagine a different scenario by which I might be 16 years-old and instead of having a small and hard-earned stash of porn mags (much like a formative record collection) I'm exposed daily to hardcore AV/LP style content via my mobile phone or tablet or whatever. It's too much too young surely? There are obviously lots of studies around this and we don't yet know the full effects (and can't possibly for maybe another 10-20 years at least) but it does very much feel like a troubling concept for these kids and I really don't envy them. And I agree with the poster that it is probably especially bad for girls in terms of pressure to move too fast but don't discount the effect on boys and their libidos also. Seeing extreme sex acts very early is definitely going to mess with their brains subconsciously if not consciously.

It is very difficult to know what can be done as really the genie is out of the bottle and there are limits to how any society can contain the relentless advancement of technology coupled with a free market capitalism that is loathe to place any restrictions on itself. So I really don't know what happens next. But I do agree with the poster in that I prefer the more moderate voyeuristic porn journey that I undertook over a much longer period of time, which probably in itself has done some "damage" (brain receptors etc.) but nothing I am too uncomfortable with or impacts on my life in a particularly destructive way and certainly all of which was entirely via my own choosing.

This is a great post. So true & linked in to my own experience. Man, I used fantasise over page 3 pictures of Linda Lusardi & a lady called Jane. I think it was daily mirror mid 1980's.

[dap-addict]

I'm exposed daily to hardcore AV/LP style content via my mobile phone or tablet or whatever. It's too much too young surely? There are obviously lots of studies around this and we don't yet know the full effects (and can't possibly for maybe another 10-20 years at least) but it does very much feel like a troubling concept for these kids and I really don't envy them. And I agree with the poster that it is probably especially bad for girls in terms of pressure to move too fast but don't discount the effect on boys and their libidos also. Seeing extreme sex acts very early is definitely going to mess with their brains subconsciously if not consciously.

Reads a bot like a typical older teacher way of concern.
I think you have also to put in context that todays teen girls grew up in a much less patriarchic society especially in Europe and US and are thus much more prepared to take things into their hands - also in drawing red lines.
And if they practice anal sex instead or parallel to vaginal sex with or without pissing at 14yo what makes them worse than your typical 1980ties teen girls? Also applies for teen boys.
Romance will always stay romance and sex experiments always sex experiments. I'd rather clap in applause that society is currently freeing itself from Victorian softcore limitations and Christian guilt culture.

[TheVulture]

Reads a bot like a typical older teacher way of concern.
I think you have also to put in context that todays teen girls grew up in a much less patriarchic society especially in Europe and US and are thus much more prepared to take things into their hands - also in drawing red lines.
And if they practice anal sex instead or parallel to vaginal sex with or without pissing at 14yo what makes them worse than your typical 1980ties teen girls? Also applies for teen boys.
Romance will always stay romance and sex experiments always sex experiments. I'd rather clap in applause that society is currently freeing itself from Victorian softcore limitations and Christian guilt culture.

At 14!? Well, that's 2 years below the age of consent here in the UK. I'm not a prude and I accept that some people mature quicker than others (and, yes, that some kids have sex before 16) but that's quite a casual comment I think.

Also there's a world of difference between a girl trying anal sex tentatively with a bf at, let's say, 17-18 and seeing porn clips of well-practiced women taking poundings including DAP etc. (and possibly seeing them even well before those first tentative attempts). That's what I'm getting at. Kids have always been exposed to porn but the new technologies mean that the kind of porn they're exposed to now is likely to include the most hardcore out there. That's very much new territory and I don't think something that we can all be laissez faire about. It is possible this will normalise very extreme acts for these kids. And I'm not saying that the problem lies with porn producers. It doesn't. It's really with the tech giants and the large internet providers where the responsibility lies and I'm not sure it's realistic to expect them to do anything about it.

[dap-addict]

At 14!? Well, that's 2 years below the age of consent here in the UK. I'm not a prude and I accept that some people mature quicker than others (and, yes, that some kids have sex before 16) but that's quite a casual comment I think.

GB always lagged some behind in these territories to rest of Europe. But ok, lets say 16 1/2 to sound less casual. Btw, TheVulture, I'll have a nice surprise for you soon. Cant reveal more, but you have my PM below if really needed. Anyway, you'll like it I'm pretty sure.

[davebowman]

Call me cold-hearted, but I don't have a problem with the normalization of extreme sex acts. As a porn-lover, an increased number of 18 year old girls emerging who are into things like anal and piss drinking is a good thing - this is the new generation of models we're going to be fapping over here. I think we're already seeing the effects of this. When I first got into porn, double anal was a circus act that only a very few superstars could perform, and even then it was a struggle. Now, it's fairly regular for girls to enter the scene aged 18 or 19, and start with this kind of stuff like it was no problem at all. Look at the amount of camgirls out there, regularly shoving dildos the size of arms up their backsides. If you ask me, this is something to celebrate.

Sure, you can argue they feel under pressure to do these things, but teens have to deal with peer pressure all the time - personally I think the effects of things like Twitter and Instagram etc, having to show they are leading a perfect life, with perfect looks, 24 hours a day, is much more damaging.

[analwithyourgirl]

A sense of innocence in life, in love, relationships and women...

Sums it up. Common acces to porn ruined normal sexual behavior of teens, like before internet porn it would be rather difficult to find slutty 16 years old getting spit roasted in bathrooms on parties. Now it's ok and girls just say ,,haha I'm such a hoe" then get back to sucking dicks. People tend to base their sexual life on porn not understanding that porn is a form of entertainment not a model for sex, so they want to imitate porn acts all the time. It's like jumping into deep water without preparation.

[TheVulture]

Btw, TheVulture, I'll have a nice surprise for you soon. Cant reveal more, but you have my PM below if really needed. Anyway, you'll like it I'm pretty sure.

Well, that's intriguing. As you're connected in the porn world I can only assume it might be news of a "zero manhandle" AV/LP line or something like that? Crossing my fingers it's that anyway. You've got my hopes up now ha ha ha.

[lovecraft]

I don't know if porn ruined it or not, but I've met women who literally only care about their own orgasm and otherwise the connection means nothing to them. It seems that before all of this stuff was normalized, the connection between people (even who were just "hooking up") wasn't just about orgasmic pleasure, it was that first, the intimacy allowed between people itself was a special thing. In my opinion we don't need other people at all for good orgasms, porn or our imagination is great for that. So actual sex should include connection and intimacy, or at least is vastly better for it. That's my preference, anyway. I know many others don't feel that way.

[Starrio]

It's actually the opposite. Porn has helped women find out things they actually enjoy more in there personal intimacy that otherwise they wouldn't have come to realize.

For example a lot of more women are starting to experience anal now, and they are finding out they actually enjoy getting fucked in the ass very much, which is something that porn has helped making it bigger than it already was, and many girls would never had the opportunity to experience it without porn giving them the confidence to try it.

These things have always existed in sex lives, but porn has helped many that were hesitant, and when they see it done by others, they realize they can do it too, and their sexual life becomes richer as a consequence.