Is this super impossible?

[Starrio]

It's like a fetish, fetishes develop from previous gratifying sexual experiences that become nostalgic.

Well for some men their fetish is someone younger, for others is someone older, for others is another man, or Latinas, or Black women, for me my fetish with Eastern European type of women is simply strong.

I get you. But than problem is not so many Hungarian girls speak english and also in Czech and Bulgaria english isn't that super common. Langue-wise I'd rather suggest Czech Rep. as its sure easier to get along outside capital than Hungary. I'd say try it in 2021, come over, and see how it works for you. Not much to loose and there are so many really nice places!

Good point, I'm debating in learning Russian too because I also love girls from Slovenia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Lithuania, Serbia, Montenegro, Estonia, Moldova, Albania, Croatia, Belarus, and Latvia; heck I even like girls from Lebanon and those are not European. That whole area from Czech Republic to Israel has the best looking people.

[dap-addict]

Hmm, these are very different languages and Russian wont get you very far.
Maybe just come over first and than see which place is best for you and how it all works.

[avanfurwet]

Hmm, these are very different languages and Russian wont get you very far.
Maybe just come over first and than see which place is best for you and how it all works.

His shopping list of very different countries with different cultures and populations suggests he hasn't really made his mind up yet about what he likes.
So I agree that he might enjoy travelling and finding out for himself, after the pandemic.

[netzerkaiser]

Hmm, these are very different languages and Russian wont get you very far.
Maybe just come over first and than see which place is best for you and how it all works.

I'd disagree, respectfully, about Russian...

Slovenia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Slovakia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Croatia, Belarus, Serbia, Montenegro, Moldova, - Russian is perfect base for all these, & if you can learn Cyrillic, so much the better

Hungary, unique beautiful language

Romania, Moldova, - Romanian is a cocktail of Latin (some artificially introduced)/ Slavic & the old languages of the Romanian tribes

Albania, I have no idea

Estonia, like Finnish, but unrelated to 3 power groups - Latin / Germanic / Slavic

Latvia, Lithuania - related to each other, but old unique languages, very little resources to learn from

[Starrio]

So what's the language that covers the most ground or number of countries?

By the way, I'm aware they are different cultures and languages, but from here I can see the similarities, and that's what I'm after.

[netzerkaiser]

So what's the language that covers the most ground or number of countries?

By the way, I'm aware they are different cultures and languages, but from here I can see the similarities, and that's what I'm after.

I think Russian myself opens a window on Eastern Europe as I implied in previous post.

[dap-addict]

I'd go for Serbo-Croatian maybe because its easier to learn and covers most countries mentioned. I still suggest just a trip around Eastern Europe first. Stratoslav seems like a nice guy, but a bt clueless about Europe in general. From US POV over here might all look more similar than it actually is. Anyway, some basic tourist slavic might not hurt. Could also be Croatian, easy to learn, latin script. If than you can add cyrillic, the better.

[Starrio]

I'd go for Serbo-Croatian maybe because its easier to learn and covers most countries mentioned. I still suggest just a trip around Eastern Europe first. Stratoslav seems like a nice guy, but a bt clueless about Europe in general. From US POV over here might all look more similar than it actually is. Anyway, some basic tourist slavic might not hurt. Could also be Croatian, easy to learn, latin script. If than you can add cyrillic, the better.

Thanks, are those two separate languages? If so which one is better Serbian or Croatian?

Yeah, from here, and from alll the tourists I have met from there, you see a lot of similarities, like I said earlier, I dated a Bulgarian girl in High School, and a girl from Slovenia as an adult, both for a significant time, and they both had many similarities.

But I believe you it is probably different over there

[dap-addict]

Thanks, are those two separate languages? If so which one is better Serbian or Croatian?

Not really.
But these ppl would say, yes.
Anyway, Croatian is written in latin letters, Serbian in both, but cyrillic is more common.
Anyway, Croatian is much easier to learn than Russian. But all depends on your needs and capabilities.

I quote one good example of netzer from the other thread just to keep in mind:

You just gotta be careful with some things, they take different shades in similar languages. 'Chitry' in Czech, means intelligent & I remember complimenting Russian lady on her husband being 'chitry' - she corrected me that 'chitry' in Russian meant crafty or sly. The beauty of language...

...and this is why I think you should first come over and see which - if any - of those many languages will suit your needs best! For sure however is, that any of all those different slavic languages, will provide you with a basic knowledge about other slavic languages. Although, see example just quoted!

[Starrio]

The thing is that I already started Russian, maybe it was a bad choice, but maybe they will overlap like you said.

[netzerkaiser]

Thanks, are those two separate languages? If so which one is better Serbian or Croatian?

Not really.
But these ppl would say, yes.
Anyway, Croatian is written in latin letters, Serbian in both, but cyrillic is more common.
Anyway, Croatian is much easier to learn than Russian. But all depends on your needs and capabilities.

I quote one good example of netzer from the other thread just to keep in mind:

You just gotta be careful with some things, they take different shades in similar languages. 'Chitry' in Czech, means intelligent & I remember complimenting Russian lady on her husband being 'chitry' - she corrected me that 'chitry' in Russian meant crafty or sly. The beauty of language...

...and this is why I think you should first come over and see which - if any - of those many languages will suit your needs best! For sure however is, that any of all those different slavic languages, will provide you with a basic knowledge about other slavic languages. Although, see example just quoted!

Thanks DAP-Addict very much for nice words. And I agree with much of what you say. FSI actually has a great Serbo-Croat course. Other than that though, I find with Russian, there are far more varied resources, & this is vitally important. Also I find much of the vocabulary utterly beautiful.

To learn languages you need 3 things apart from desire & patience & willingess to work hard at them. You need, in order...

1. The right resources
2. Time
3. Money, to obtain time, to obtain resources, to give yourself chance to go there & enjoy the thrill of putting it all into action.

But (1) resources, rises far above money if done right. That's why I'll try to come up with good list of resources over weekend & try check their availability.

One last point, though food for thought...

Stratogustav... don't undervalue the American woman of ethnic descent from these countries you have idealistic hopes for. Use Wikipedia & you'll see there are great belts around the US where mostly people of German, or Swedish, or Czech, or Dutch people settled in past 200 years. Two further points, & I think these are profound observations, hence my highlighting of dialogue:

Firstly, people are people.. don't put down American girls as materialistic & Eastern European girls as gems waiting for their prince to arrive - you'll get all sorts, everywhere, as you should know. But with the American girl, you'll uncover her personality, her intentions, her soul, much quicker, as you speak same language & share common life situational legacy. With the Eastern European girl, from different culture, with poor English, you have none of this. You might find 'The One' but you could easily find yourself 5 years down the line, saying, "what on Earth was I thinking?"

Secondly, these German, or Swedish, or Czech, or Dutch areas in USA have ethnic lines that are sturdy... the European beauty that lingers can be & is often amazing. You need understand this genetic line of partner selection has been largely undisturbed by the demographic CATASTROPHIES of WWI, WWII, & the Communism (including man-made famines) that vastly weakened the gene pool in Europe to this day.

I'd stay at home if I were you, with what you are familiar with & just dig a bit deeper.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

[Starrio]

Firstly, people are people.. don't put down American girls as materialistic & Eastern European girls as gems waiting for their prince to arrive - you'll get all sorts, everywhere, as you should know.

I want to quote that because I really want to make clear again that what you said here is 100% not what I'm saying.

I have never insinuated neither I believe that nonesense.

Women in America are different than Eastern European, but I was never referring to materialism.

Also when I described I like Eastern European girls I never referred to them as if they want a prince to save them.

I know outside U.S. they have this notion probably because a few people have made it popular, but at least me personally have never thought that way.

I want to make clear why I don't want an American girl, and why I want Eastern European:

- I already fucked too many American girls, and I want something different

- I had two serious relationships in the past with Eastern European girls and they both have been my best besides one with an American, but that one ended as well

- I like Eastern European girls because they have better bone structures, are not into drugs so much, and many are open to have kids

You can check even in sports, and notice the differences between American athletes and Eastern European, here they are generally more heavy set, more muscular, and have more volume, and those are the good looking ones.

- In America there are girls that don't do drugs, that have nice bone structure, and that are open to have kids willingly, but they are incredibly rare, no one can bushit me about this because I live here

- BMIs in America are all over the place, in Eastern Europe they are still fairly normal

- So it is basically a 20/80 rule, Eastern European simply has more numbers when it comes to the good stuff from what I can see

- Also another important point I made is that more and more women around the world are becoming more Americanized because of Media and it sucks, specially in cities

That said I still don't know everything so I want to visit, and I particularly love of all those accents, I think those accents are incredibly sexy.

On to of that like I said earlier,bmy fetish with Eastern European girls is strong, so it is also a physical nostalgic thing.

[dap-addict]

with the American girl, you'll uncover her personality, her intentions, her soul, much quicker, as you speak same language & share common life situational legacy. With the Eastern European girl, from different culture, with poor English, you have none of this. You might find 'The One' but you could easily find yourself 5 years down the line, saying, "what on Earth was I thinking?"

Whatever your reason, stratoslav, I think this above is crucial.
Also you have to understand that the notion of Eastern European girls being more traditional and more children friendly may be outdated a bit. For this also check birth rates in Eastern Europe, just to give you an idea.
I do well understand your nostalgic personal attraction, though.
Anyway, how about just visiting Bulgaria this Summer?
Not the typical porn destination, sure more conservative than many countries of the region, but indeed very attractive girls generally.

Btw, if you started with Russian and get on well with it, stick to it! Any slavic language will do.

[netzerkaiser]

with the American girl, you'll uncover her personality, her intentions, her soul, much quicker, as you speak same language & share common life situational legacy. With the Eastern European girl, from different culture, with poor English, you have none of this. You might find 'The One' but you could easily find yourself 5 years down the line, saying, "what on Earth was I thinking?"

Whatever your reason, stratoslav, I think this above is crucial.
Also you have to understand that the notion of Eastern European girls being more traditional and more children friendly may be outdated a bit. For this also check birth rates in Eastern Europe, just to give you an idea.
I do well understand your nostalgic personal attraction, though.
Anyway, how about just visiting Bulgaria this Summer?
Not the typical porn destination, sure more conservative than many countries of the region, but indeed very attractive girls generally.

Btw, if you started with Russian and get on well with it, stick to it! Any slavic language will do.

As so often... Thankyou DAPAddict, for your kind & thoughtful insight.

[Starrio]

with the American girl, you'll uncover her personality, her intentions, her soul, much quicker, as you speak same language & share common life situational legacy. With the Eastern European girl, from different culture, with poor English, you have none of this. You might find 'The One' but you could easily find yourself 5 years down the line, saying, "what on Earth was I thinking?"

My personal experience with that is the exact opposite I feel people have a more spiritual connection when language is a barrier because you get to see the people for who they really are without all the conditioning from their uprising, this is why my best sexual experiences have been with tourists I have met in nightclubs every time I have been to Las Vegas, and even though most of them new some English, the barrier was still there, although you have a point about long term getting to know someone.

By the way, does everyone know what's the poorest place out of all those countries on my list. The more poor the country the less Americanized, the better, the more authentic the people.

[dap-addict]

By the way, does everyone know what's the poorest place out of all those countries on my list. The more poor the country the less Americanized, the better, the more authentic the people.

...and the more they will look up to you?
I know, but sorry, its so easy to check that yourself, itsnt it?

[Starrio]

By the way, does everyone know what's the poorest place out of all those countries on my list. The more poor the country the less Americanized, the better, the more authentic the people.

...and the more they will look up to you?
:

Not at all, like I said I don't want to use that card at all, but another benefit it makes travel expenses lower, although at a risk of getting mugged, but I have been in those situations before.

I guess I can go by the countries GDP, but that stuff is never representative, for example among the countries with biggest GDPs we have China, Brazil, and Mexico, but if we go to those countries we can easily find it doesn't mean anything.

[netzerkaiser]

By the way, does everyone know what's the poorest place out of all those countries on my list. The more poor the country the less Americanized, the better, the more authentic the people.

...and the more they will look up to you?
:

Not at all, like I said I don't want to use that card at all, but another benefit it makes travel expenses lower, although at a risk of getting mugged, but I have been in those situations before.

I guess I can go by the countries GDP, but that stuff is never representative, for example among the countries with biggest GDPs we have China, Brazil, and Mexico, but if we go to those countries we can easily find it doesn't mean anything.

@stratogustav I'm not trying talk down to you, but you're likely as not to come across following scenario in 'poor country' with 'authentic people'... I know from experience... & remember, no-one here has done anything except try to put you on right track at cost of their own time, so maybe a thankyou wouldn't go amiss?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM

She came from Greece she had a thirst for knowledge
She studied sculpture at Saint Martin's College
That's where I
Caught her eye
She told me that her dad was loaded
I said, in that case I'll have rum and Coca-Cola
She said fine
And then in thirty seconds time she said
I wanna live like common people
I wanna do whatever common people do
Wanna sleep with common people
I wanna sleep with common people
Like you
Oh what else could I do
I said I'll, I'll see what I can do
I took her to a supermarket
I don't know why
But I had to start it somewhere
So it started there
I said pretend you've got no money
She just laughed and said
Oh you're so funny
I said; yeah
I can't see anyone else smiling in here
Are you sure?
You wanna live like common people
You wanna see whatever common people see
Wanna sleep with common people
You wanna sleep with common people
Like me
But she didn't understand
She just smiled and held my hand
Rent a flat above a shop
Cut your hair and get a job
Smoke some fags and play some pool
Pretend you never went to school
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching roaches climb the wall
If you called your dad he could stop it all, yeah
You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
And you dance and drink and screw
Because there's nothing else to do
Sing along with the common people
Sing along and it might just get you through
Laugh along with the common people
Laugh along even though they're really laughing at you
And the stupid things that you do
Because you think that poor is cool
Like a dog lying in a corner
They will bite you and never warn you
Look out, they'll tear your insides out
'Cause everybody hates a tourist
Especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh
Yeah and the chip stains and grease
Will come out in the bath
You will never understand
How it feels to live your life
With no meaning or control
And with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
And they burn so bright
Whilst you can only wonder why
Rent a flat above a shop
Cut your hair and get a job
Smoke some fags and play some pool
Pretend you never went to school
But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching roaches climb the wall
If you called your dad he could stop it all
Yeah
Never live like common people
Never do what common people do
Never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
And then dance and drink and screw
Because there's nothing else to do
Wanna live with common people like you
Wanna live with common people like you
Wanna live with common people like you
Wanna live with common people like you
Wanna live with common people like you
Wanna live with common people like you
I wanna live with common people like you
Oh, la, la, la, la
Oh, la, la, la, la
Oh, la, la, la, la
Oh, la, la, la, la
Oh you

[Starrio]

[quote="netzerkaiser"][/quote]

Oh I'm definitely thankful for all the great advice, no doubt about it, you guys have put me in the right direction, and by further exploring the most bizarre routes this threads could have taken, it has become more clear now about what I want to do. So you guys have definitely been helpful.

In fact, I actually like the nickname you guys gave me "Stratoslav". Can someone administrating or moderating please change my username to that? I really like it.

[netzerkaiser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcBH4C5RtR8

This is full version, reflecting lyrics posted - so cool. There was a vido of Shatner & Joe Jackson covering it, which was hilarious, but I didn't know Pulp got there at the start. I learned something today myself so...

[netzerkaiser]

Oh I'm definitely thankful for all the great advice, no doubt about it, you guys have put me in the right direction, and by further exploring the most bizarre routes this threads could have taken, it has become more clear now about what I want to do. So you guys have definitely been helpful.

In fact, I actually like the nickname you guys gave me "Stratoslav". Can someone administrating or moderating please change my username to that? I really like it.

Thanks Strato - i appreciat your kind response. Big of you brother - we're cool so.

[Starrio]

I may actually do some photography while I'm in Europe since that's what I do for a living, so I may as well do that there and take advantage of the opportunity.

By the way, Starrio is another name I wanted, thanks to whoever did it for me.

[bake0213]

You were very polite about BMI being all over the place in the US. Fact of the matter is that obesity runs rampant in the United States especially outside of the metro areas. I live in the US and have traveled to Europe five times as an adult, and the very FIRST thing I noticed was the dramatically lower incidence of obesity.

[dap-addict]

Ok, sounds better now, starrio, though I liked Stratoslav much better:
So, poorest place from experience is Moldova, outside of the capital, rural areas. GDP is officially lowest there, too, but capital is still quite posh and yep, you'd also find americanized places, although its not as you imagine probably. In the capital you get around with english somehow, outside Russian will be very useful. The country is very nice later summer, early autumn when the wine is ripe and being made. Generally people outside capital are quite conservative, orthodox church has a lot of influence still, but maybe you try one of the bigger towns, which are all pretty small compared to the capital. And no, I dont think you'll get mugged! Or at least not more than anywhere else!

[dap-addict]

Btw, these are the girls we had from there so far @ LP:
https://pornbox.com/application/model/list (if it doenst work, click "MDA")
make sure to check out Karina Grand: https://pornbox.com/application/model/2853
Not of that a typical look, most girls are more of a Southern type.

[Starrio]

You were very polite about BMI being all over the place in the US. Fact of the matter is that obesity runs rampant in the United States especially outside of the metro areas. I live in the US and have traveled to Europe five times as an adult, and the very FIRST thing I noticed was the dramatically lower incidence of obesity.

A man of knowledge.

[Starrio]

Btw, these are the girls we had from there so far @ LP:
https://pornbox.com/application/model/list (if it doenst work, click "MDA")
make sure to check out Karina Grand: https://pornbox.com/application/model/2853
Not of that a typical look, most girls are more of a Southern type.

Beautiful, you convince me Moldova is a must stop, I'm thinking of doing a tour considering how close these places are to each other.

Mainland Europe looks on the map as big as mainland US, so it should not be as complicated as I initially thought.

[Starrio]

Ok, sounds better now, starrio, though I liked Stratoslav much better!

Starrio is in honor of the legendary White Teens Black Cocks stallion stud. I'm not black, but I grew up liking his work.

[Kapwn]

By the way, Starrio is another name I wanted, thanks to whoever did it for me.

No problemo my friend. Your request was pretty interesting. Asking through the report button

[Starrio]

By the way, Starrio is another name I wanted, thanks to whoever did it for me.

No problemo my friend. Your request was pretty interesting. Asking through the report button

I did that long time ago because I couldn't find another way, thanks for making it happen.