What's the long term effect of penis injections?

[latu123]

It is quite common for male actors to use injections in porn.
What are the long term effects?
Is porn without injections no longer possible?

[HwtOxc8K]

No guy gets a rock hard erection for hours every single day multiple times a day. So yeah it's impossible

[CanadianCouple]

Long term effects are that you can never get an erection without it, period, end of story.

Its like injecting steroids for years... your body eventually can never ever make its own testosterone and you have to stay on testosterone supplemtents for ever or be a complete disaster.

ED meds like Viagra, you do have to be aroused to some degree for them to work. If a guy is at the point of having to take multiple injections to do a porn scene its pretty clear what has happened to the poor fellow.

Its a tough gig there. The guys hang around and do 1 or 2 scenes a day, have to fuck for scenes that take hours, with zero erotic connection to the woman as it is just about dicks assholes and dick rubbing. I can see how it can take its toll on the sex drive and performance.

Some of the guys get silicone into their penis .You can see those cocks that look really spongy and never go up or down or change erection levels..... at least they dont need injections but they have to carry that around all the time and have very little feeling left.

Being a male porn guy is a tough gig for most, and they dont make a lot of money at it.

[ExtremePornFan]

What are they injecting?

[Lotto]

What are they injecting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvHN7okgF0Y

[robin_reid]

What are they injecting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvHN7okgF0Y

They talk about the implant, I know 1 european actor with an implant, but they are not the most, at least as far as I know in Europe, and this guy works mainly in US.

[CanadianCouple]

What are they injecting?

Caverject

Its primary intent is for guys who are paralyized and it keeps their dick hard so they can fuck their partner and satisfy them. It works no matter what so you dont need to be turned on or feel anything ,etc.

It is not to be used in the doses and regularities that some of the porn guys use, that essentially renders them messed up for life as I said in my prior post.

[dap-addict]

Doctors usually say it should not be injected more than 10 times per month.
But porn studs need it at least twice a day, ie. 5-6 times more than suggested.
Some have to inject even twice per scene.
Cant be healthy, that's sure.

Question is how fast do bad side effects occur? And how about dosage?
Asking because looks like there are over-injection troubles in Piter currently.

[netzerkaiser]

I had no idea about this. Its very sad, & I'm not being sarcastic - it must take toll on mental health too.

[TheVulture]

Yeah I didn't know about this either. I'd heard it mentioned in passing in threads here but preferred not to think about it. That's very grim and it does explain a lot in terms of the slightly "functional" nature of a lot of modern porn (not just LP).

Thing is....porn has been around a long time and I'm guessing this is a pretty recent occurrence, right? So there were porn guys back in the day who managed to perform regularly without this stuff, weren't there? Surely it can be done and just shows the need for a "less is more" approach with the guys being allowed down time between scenes. I mean, healthy young guys outside of porn have high sex drives so there's no reason why porn couldn't simply harness that natural sexual appetite without the need for any medical stimulus (as I assume it used to do until maybe 5/10 years ago).

This should really be a wake up call for the industry. Time for a reset. Make Porn Natural And Healthy Again.

[netzerkaiser]

Yeah I didn't know about this either. I'd heard it mentioned in passing in threads here but preferred not to think about it. That's very grim and it does explain a lot in terms of the slightly "functional" nature of a lot of modern porn (not just LP).

Thing is....porn has been around a long time and I'm guessing this is a pretty recent occurrence, right? So there were porn guys back in the day who managed to perform regularly without this stuff, weren't there? Surely it can be done and just shows the need for a "less is more" approach with the guys being allowed down time between scenes. I mean, healthy young guys outside of porn have high sex drives so there's no reason why porn couldn't simply harness that natural sexual appetite without the need for any medical stimulus (as I assume it used to do until maybe 5/10 years ago).

This should really be a wake up call for the industry. Time for a reset. Make Porn Natural And Healthy Again.

I agree completely. Great post. But I'm guessing its totally changed landscape - as I mentioned before, back in day girls had no idea this stuff was on-line for life... everythings changed in industry.

[TheVulture]

I agree completely. Great post. But I'm guessing its totally changed landscape - as I mentioned before, back in day girls had no idea this stuff was on-line for life... everythings changed in industry.

I guess so but don't forget the old porn girls were still very much exposed. I'm not sure the global exposure of the internet would be that much of a deterrent for a girl considering porn. There certainly doesn't seem to be a fall off in numbers of girls entering porn during the internet era to suggest that - it seems just to have exponentially risen to meet the extra demand.

When you're talking about the physical health (and performance levels) of the male talent that's a whole different ball game. There isn't really a choice but to hit reset and go back to basics. Really it's surprising that the viewer base hasn't fallen away to reflect that more stilted performance but I guess the exponential new demand created by the internet has masked that. It really all comes back to market forces and technological developments as to how we got here but in a performance based industry like porn I don't think those aspects can dictate things forever. If the guys can't do it naturally something realistically has to give.

I have long thought that there was something a little wrong with modern porn but couldn't quite put my finger on it (I suspected Viagra, to some extent correctly I suppose). I do still watch old porn scenes though and it is telling that whilst they might not be as long or as extreme as modern scenes there is something more animal, primal and genuinely lusty about them. It's like normal (albeit hardcore) sex but performed by Alpha males and lusty (mostly) young women. You can't fake that ultimately but people pays their money and takes their choice. Still, in true Jurassic Park style nature will eventually take its course. By that time we'll probably have AI male studs though eh? Not actually that absurd a prediction given how things are going.

[dap-addict]

Some studs still perform natural.
You should see that in their LP scenes, actually.
Anyway, if a stud has to perform 2-3 scenes per day than only injections can keep him fit for that workload.
And since fees for studs arnt amongst the best - and certainly not in Russia - a stud better works more than less.

Btw, passion can also be acted ofc.
But users have to demand it to start with!

[TheVulture]

Anyway, if a stud has to perform 2-3 scenes per day than only injections can keep him fit for that workload.

No-one "has to" perform 2-3 porn scenes a day. I don't have any sympathy with guys who do it because it's an industry standard or they need to make ends meet or whatever. They have a choice like all of us. If that's the price to pay they should walk away and do something else. The focus shouldn't be on that anyway but on why the industry considers that to be either reasonable or sensible. It isn't and the industry needs to change.

Are you not concerned that some guys are doing that as a porn consumer? Or are your 2 to 3 lengthy hardcore scenes per day with multiple positions the bottom line? Genuine question and not trying to load it in any way. Don't we have a responsibility as consumers to reject this?

[dap-addict]

No-one "has to" perform 2-3 porn scenes a day. I don't have any sympathy with guys who do it because it's an industry standard or they need to make ends meet or whatever. They have a choice like all of us.

You'd need to change their fees first.
Just from 1 scene per day or even 1 scene every 2-3 days porn studs can't make a living anymore today.
You have the top payed very reliable studs like EE and the infantry soldiers so to say. And than you have those who still try to establish themselves.

About customer responsibly: I still want my 2 lengthy DAP scenes per day, and ideally a 3rd option to buy.
But I started to support natural stud performers, to pay more attention to this than before. I also call for new stud castings especially in worst off studios like GLab Piter for any months already.

But what we see is rather the opposite: More studios popping up and sharing the same pool of trusted able studs.

[dap-addict]

edit: maybe not able but trusted, would rather call it sort-of-able or not too woodless (usually injected) studs.

[TheVulture]

You'd need to change their fees first.

Well, quite. But really the whole culture of porn production needs to change with more emphasis on performer well-being.

Have the porn guys and girls ever considered starting a union? I've long thought one would be beneficial for the girls so that they could agree an industry standard around treatment (manhandle and the like) and allow them more of a voice generally. But it sounds like the guys need one even more tbh as their issues are more profound and health and safety related.

The porn producers obviously wouldn't like this development as it would affect their bottom line but ultimately the purpose would be to create a more healthy and sustainable industry moving forward. If the performers stood together it seems likely they could win major improvements. It's a tough job and both the guys and girls have star power. If enough of them signed up to a union I doubt the producers could find too many non-unionised performers to carry the entire load.

I'm aware the girls in particular have agencies and to some extent they might lobby on behalf of their clients but that isn't the same as a union. Ultimately the agencies' bottom line is in taking a percentage of performer fees so they would be happy with the status quo of scene saturation and performer burnout. If a girl suffers in some way and withdraws from the industry, too bad, they just move to the next one. Maybe they would relay some issues on behalf of a girl but I doubt they would do it with conviction (they are essentially on the same side as the producers and very much reliant on them), whereas a union could do it anonymously and backed by member action if necessary. Essentially a girl or guy would be with an agency and in the union with the 2 having a healthy co-existence of debate, some differences of opinion and priority but ultimately agreement around best industry practice for all parties. It definitely seems to me that something swinging the pendulum a little in the performers' direction and winning them better industry practice and (probably) higher performer fees is sorely overdue. The current situation as described in this thread simply doesn't appear sustainable and the producers, agencies and other profit-driven parties within the industry are not going to rein themselves in of their own accord.

[dap-addict]

It definitely seems to me that something swinging the pendulum a little in the performers' direction and winning them better industry practice and (probably) higher performer fees is sorely overdue.

Girls are paid fair and have pretty good rates.
Problem is with studs only, they get up 5 times less.

[avanfurwet]

Some male performers choose to inject and work more, if not better.
Some male and female performers choose to work for producers with variable standards concerning testing and health & safety on set.
IDK if it's "unfair" that male performers in straight porn get paid 5x less than female. It's just free market supply and demand.

Vulture is right that performers have choices, whether to take whatever porn work they can get for whatever money they can earn.
If it's not enough money for them to make a healthy living, then they can seek other part-time or full-time work.
Maybe these aren't ideal choices, but they are real-world choices, same as everybody else.

Nobody "needs" to change performer fees, or the whole porn industry. But of course things could change for the better.

Unionisation looks like wishful thinking IMO. Maybe it could have some impact in USA? Probably the European/Russian market is too fragmented and under-regulated.

And the old Agency model where agencies actually cared for the best interests of their performers seems to be becoming extinct.
Nowadays new performers seem to take what they can from their agency and then move to self-booking as soon as possible to maximise their income.
And some agencies just seem to pimp the girls out to whoever will pay agency fees.
So both performers and agencies seem to be self-destructing the only organisation structure that might have imposed some professional standards in the industry.

And the industry itself is evolving, with online platforms publishing self-produced porn of variable quality to compete with the traditional production studios.
Again, performers have choices. Maybe not their ideal choices, but few people have those.

[TheVulture]

Some male performers choose to inject and work more, if not better.
Some male and female performers choose to work for producers with variable standards concerning testing and health & safety on set.
IDK if it's "unfair" that male performers in straight porn get paid 5x less than female. It's just free market supply and demand.

Vulture is right that performers have choices, whether to take whatever porn work they can get for whatever money they can earn.
If it's not enough money for them to make a healthy living, then they can seek other part-time or full-time work.
Maybe these aren't ideal choices, but they are real-world choices, same as everybody else.

Nobody "needs" to change performer fees, or the whole porn industry. But of course things could change for the better.

Unionisation looks like wishful thinking IMO. Maybe it could have some impact in USA? Probably the European/Russian market is too fragmented and under-regulated.

And the old Agency model where agencies actually cared for the best interests of their performers seems to be becoming extinct.
Nowadays new performers seem to take what they can from their agency and then move to self-booking as soon as possible to maximise their income.
And some agencies just seem to pimp the girls out to whoever will pay agency fees.
So both performers and agencies seem to be self-destructing the only organisation structure that might have imposed some professional standards in the industry.

And the industry itself is evolving, with online platforms publishing self-produced porn of variable quality to compete with the traditional production studios.
Again, performers have choices. Maybe not their ideal choices, but few people have those.

Excellent post.

I agree that the male studs receiving about 1/5 of the girls' fees sounds about right. You have to factor in that the girls are taking more risks with the exposure, damage to their reputation etc. The "taboo" nature of a porn career is obviously not something every sexually adventurous girl would be prepared to take on so their high fees reflect this commitment and bravery. Also ultimately it's the girls who are the stars of the show and the attraction for the consumer. Whilst the guys are crucial to the scenes and their input and performances very important, to some extent they are "guns for hire" and by and large consumers will not follow the career of a male performer in the same way they do with the girls.

What's interesting isn't that ratio (which I assume has long been apparent) but rather how come we're at a place where guys are so overworked. 10-15 years ago it seems to me that the male studs of that era were able to make a living without being so overworked. If you look at their performances (the cumshots in particular) it looks like they were able to obtain steady work without over-exerting themselves physically. Is it thus the case that performer fees across the board (ie male and female) have dropped? Are the new internet based porn companies much stingier with their fees than the old VHS/DVD stables? Or are the current guys maybe getting a little greedy in trying to capitalise on more work as a result of an increase in porn work generally? It's one thing saying a guy "has to" inject into his dick (!) simply to make a living and another to say he "has to" do it so he can film like 20 scenes a week and make an absolute killing (something that probably wouldn't have been available to the older porn guys even if they wanted it). Are these guys maybe getting greedy or are modern male fees really that bad that they take these insane risks just to make it financially viable? That's really the million dollar question.

Either way, something needs to change. The industry has to find a way to protect its male performers (from themselves if nothing else). Whatever their motives, this pool of male performers are taking ridiculous risks with their health and at the same time almost certainly not putting in great performances anyway. It's not good for them or for the final product. Common sense needs to take hold somewhere.

[dap-addict]

IDK if it's "unfair" that male performers in straight porn get paid 5x less than female. It's just free market supply and demand.
(...)
Again, performers have choices. Maybe not their ideal choices, but few people have those.

Problem is supply isn't there anymore, its just hypothetical, i.e. lots of boys interested to work in porn, but little actually being casted and turning out to be able to do it.
Thus the few established studs are constantly pressured to work for comparably little fees.
And some of them dont even choose to work more than on one set per day, but they are booked for 2-3. Of course they could turn down those bookings, but who wants to come along as a lazy worker etc.

Another thing is with peers using injections tolerance to wait on set for natural stud has become lower. Shooting more wet is accelerating that additionally as you can imagine.

[TheVulture]

Problem is supply isn't there anymore, its just hypothetical, i.e. lots of boys interested to work in porn, but little actually being casted and turning out to be able to do it.
Thus the few established studs are constantly pressured to work for comparably little fees.
And some of them dont even choose to work more than on one set per day, but they are booked for 2-3. Of course they could turn down those bookings, but who wants to come along as a lazy worker etc.

Another thing is with peers using injections tolerance to wait on set for natural stud has become lower. Shooting more wet is accelerating that additionally as you can imagine.

You're avoiding the key issue though of whether the studs need the additional scenes to make ends meet or are being greedy in taking every job that's available. Those are different things. You have this weird tone like the guys don't have a choice. "They are booked for 2-3". Can your boss do that? Put you down to work a weekend and then just tell you you're doing that? These guys have a choice. Why are they taking on so many scenes?

[Pineapples Studio]

What are they injecting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvHN7okgF0Y

They talk about the implant, I know 1 european actor with an implant, but they are not the most, at least as far as I know in Europe, and this guy works mainly in US.

... I think I know who you're talking about. Really? Since when has this unidentified person had an implant?

[robin_reid]

About 4-5 years or so

[dressthemlikefuckdolls]

It’s the best feeling to have your cock hard at any given time fuck that nigga juicing throat this bitch hehe

[avanfurwet]

Problem is supply isn't there anymore, its just hypothetical, i.e. lots of boys interested to work in porn, but little actually being casted and turning out to be able to do it.
Thus the few established studs are constantly pressured to work for comparably little fees.
And some of them dont even choose to work more than on one set per day, but they are booked for 2-3. Of course they could turn down those bookings, but who wants to come along as a lazy worker etc.

Another thing is with peers using injections tolerance to wait on set for natural stud has become lower. Shooting more wet is accelerating that additionally as you can imagine.

You're avoiding the key issue though of whether the studs need the additional scenes to make ends meet or are being greedy in taking every job that's available. Those are different things. You have this weird tone like the guys don't have a choice. "They are booked for 2-3". Can your boss do that? Put you down to work a weekend and then just tell you you're doing that? These guys have a choice. Why are they taking on so many scenes?

In western countries (e.g. UK) it is increasingly common for non-unionised employees to be bullied by employers into working extended hours without extra pay under heavy threat of losing their jobs. And it's getting harder to find alternative jobs in the economic recession.

But DAP-A is talking specifically about Russia today, where a limited pool of local male performers work in an underground (technically illegal) industry.
IDK what local pressures those performers are susceptible to, or what other employment opportunities they have.

Equally, if there is a limited resource you would expect employers to outbid each other for supply and normally prices would rise.
So obviously free market economics aren't working here. So I agree that other influences are at work.

IDK about the health risks of these penis injections, but it sounds crazy.
However we live in a world where every town contains boys injecting steroids, silicone and worse into their muscles and girls overdosing on injected lip plumpers, silicone fillers and discount boob jobs in doomed attempts to resemble photoshopped images of pneumatic [spam] influencers. And nobody is paying them to do such crazy unhealthy things.
So maybe we shouldn't be surprised by the choices of models who are trying to make a living.