The Real Truth About Piss, Julmodels & Sineplex

[Phil Phantom]

Hello everyone. I am a LP member and forum reader for a long time, but I never posted until now. Recently, XXX has made some really weird decisions, that seem hard to explain, like the sudden piss ban, the sudden boycott of Julmodels, and the refusing to release Sineplex (SOS) scenes as often as his own Gonzo (XXX) scenes. After much thought, I believe I now understand the reason for all these things. XXX is jealous of his business partners (SOS and GG) and trying to sabotage them.

I know, it sounds like conspiracy theory, but think about it. XXX has said that he makes no money from the Sineplex and GG scenes, only from the Gonzo scenes. So, if people spend their tickets on the other studio scenes, that leaves less tickets for the Gonzo scenes. This is why XXX has to sabotage SOS and GG, so that he can make more money.

Look at the piss scenes. People have given many reasons for why they stopped. Some say fear of the authorities, some say pressure from credit cards, some say XXX wants to make the site softer and more mainstream. But none of these explain why he first released more and more piss, then suddenly stopped, but left the old ones around, instead of deleting them. The reason is because he was jealous of GG. When GG started making his piss scenes, they sold much better than the Gonzo ones. So XXX tried to compete with GG by making more and more piss in his own scenes, but still they didn't sell as good. So, he finally decided that the only answer was to ban piss totally. It hurt the Gonzo scenes, but it hurt the GG scenes more.

But that still wasn't enough. GG was still making better scenes and selling more tickets, so XXX had to go even further and suddenly ban Julmodels, even though they had worked OK with them for years. But since they were GG's main source of girls, banning them killed GG's operation, so he can no longer compete with XXX.

It is the same thing with how slow are the Sineplex scenes released. When SOS went to Russia and found the hot new girls, he began to outsell Gonzo, so XXX responds by only releasing 3 scenes a week, and usually only 1 that is really with the top notch girls. He claims it is to keep from burning models, but his own Gonzo uses the same girls very often. Why does he worry about burning Arwen Gold, but not Linda Sweet or Timea Bella? It is because the true reason is to make the fans get frustrated, tired of waiting for the strong Sineplex scenes, and settle for buying the weaker Gonzo scenes.

So, you see, XXX is really no different than his rival, PW, since they both use unethical, sneaky tactics to undermine their competition. Personally, I will still be a LP member, but I will only buy scenes from Sineplex and GG. I will not buy Gonzo scenes, not as long as XXX uses these dirty tricks. I don't want to put any extra money in his pocket. It is really sad, since this site has great content, much better than anyone else. They could make a lot more money, if only XXX wasn't so greedy, and wanted it all for himself.

[pastaga]

Lol.

Could be true... but I guess so.
XXX can simply chose to stop selling other studios scenes and it would have hasd the same effect.

BTW PC_82 said more bad things about Julmodels than XXX did.

[calchill]

I have been on this site since the beginning in 2010, and have seen many many weird things. I don't get a lot of the politics that go on here but it seems the girls and the good content come and go pretty often. When you had GG,sineplex, and sos going at the same time it was great. It does seem weird that all of a sudden all these changes came about.. Juliana is a big BS'er, I don't need pc or xxx saying anything on that. All you have to do is read her posts through out this board and the ebi and its pretty clear what she's all about.. I do wish XXX would let us know what's going on , especially the people who have been here from the beginning and will keep buying tickets till this site is no more....


Cal...

[tgcfc26]

This should of been titled "My opinion on piss, Julmodels & Sineplex", and you should have had the balls to post under your regular account as well. Based on your detailed narrative of what you believe to be the truth, I doubt somebody this opinionated has never felt the need to engage or contribute on the forum before now.

I love how much shit gets slung at xxx around here, the guy has literally done more than anyone else to fund and operate a site that pumps out consistently high quality porn. Would you like a return to the fucking ghost town that was the previous era, where nothing ever happened or got done, and our only means of communication were an occasional trailer post ?

He explained the Julmodels situation on several occasions, Juliana was acting the asshole with the Sineplex setup and making it unnecessarily difficult for xxx to book girls for Gonzo, case closed.

His theory on over saturating the market with the same girls is sound as well, but using the three you mentioned to highlight some more conspiracy bullshit, here's their scene count since the turn of the year

Arwen - 11
Linda - 9
Timea - 8

Why the piss debate is still ongoing after more than two months is beyond me, move on, there are other options out there. The reasons for the stop were vague and sudden but it's done, and just incase you've had a memory lapse I'll remind you that not only was GG in support of his decision at the time, he also said he's known XXX longer than anyone with porn directors and that he doesn't miss a shot and knows what he's doing.

Maybe if the naysayers keep posting you'll get your wish for a break away from the LP umbrella, then you might see how long something lasts before it crashes and burns without somebody competant at the helm.

[gapefan]

^I could not agree more. xxx is one of the most competent entrepreneurs and businessmen in the industry. LegalPorno would not be what it is today, without him. I will admit, he has made some controversial decisions recently, but I for one believe that they are in LegalPorno's best interest in the long run.

As tgcfc26 wisely pointed out, GG openly supported xxx's decision on the removal of piss:

I understand the point of xxx somehow. Pissing Keeps LP in a kind of "getto" of extreme porn, but on the other side dap and fisting was in the same position till 2 years ago... It's complicate to take decisions, xxx knows what he is doing so somehow I'm sure everyone will get benefits from a "clean up" of the home page (i mean studios)... time will tell us smt, will be fast to understand if sales increase or decrease

Look guys,
I dont really think its important to know the reason why xxx decide to stop pissing production. I know him longer then anyone between porn directors and I know one think: he does not miss a shot. So, I think that if he took this decision is because LP will do better without new pissing scene.
Anyway, lets keep in mind this is a good think... give limitation to directors means to increase quality and on other point the fantasy of the director it stimulated. I think specially the users should start to understand then in porn there is a limit somewhere, and should be the distributor to set it up... then its up to the director find a solution for keep "wet users" around the contents without pissing. This is why porn is "directed" and not simply shot.

Giorgio also openly supported xxx's decision to drop Julmodels:

I dont really think the nationality of the girl is important when she is pretty. Anyway I think the contents should rule much more then the quality of the models, its also a more profitable investment in long terms. Anyone is able make sales when you have pretty girls that anyone else have, and good boys, my point is and always will be to make good sales also with average models, its hard I know, and the way is longer, but in long term will be more easy and more profitable, specially on LP. LP is going mainstream, there are a lot of opportunity out there, its just a question of time.

About Julmodels: I dont see a great issue, Ive been in Russia 5 years and Ive many contact there.

I trust the judgement of both xxx and Giorgio, far more than the judgement of some sock puppet.



And although I do miss getting new scenes from Giorgio, at the moment. He has reassured us he will return, when he is ready:

I can not leave you alone for a moment!
I'm involved also in different activity then adult and in those days Im a bit busy with important stuff I cant not postpone.
I will be back asap.

As for Sineplex, they are doing just fine right now. In fact, I myself feel much of their current content is on par with, if not better than, the quality of scenes they were releasing during the Evilutionplex era. They have never been a studio that released scenes on a regular basis. It has always been sporadic, at best. In fact, I would argue that their current release schedule is the more consistent than it has ever been.

tgcfc26's scene count for 2015 using Arwen Gold, Linda Sweet, and Timea Bella was spot on.


I call bullshit on your "Real Truth" conspiracy theory as well.

[Pineapples Studio]

I only know this.

The decision to cut out Julmodels is 100% because of Juliana Grandi's psycho mafia behavior. Nothing to do with sabotaging any studios.

It was a good decision too, ultimately.

[ElJab78]

He's probably one of the angry pissheads that were complaining like crazy when piss stopped production. They realize now its not coming back so lets make up this conspiracy theory to why its not. One thing he's def wrong about though, GG started his crazy piss stuff after gonzo was releasing a good 50% or more of their scenes with piss. So hes wrong that Gonzo got that from GG and was jealous.

[xxx]

Hello everyone. I am a LP member and forum reader for a long time, but I never posted until now. Recently, XXX has made some really weird decisions, that seem hard to explain, like the sudden piss ban, the sudden boycott of Julmodels, and the refusing to release Sineplex (SOS) scenes as often as his own Gonzo (XXX) scenes. After much thought, I believe I now understand the reason for all these things. XXX is jealous of his business partners (SOS and GG) and trying to sabotage them.

I know, it sounds like conspiracy theory, but think about it. XXX has said that he makes no money from the Sineplex and GG scenes, only from the Gonzo scenes. So, if people spend their tickets on the other studio scenes, that leaves less tickets for the Gonzo scenes. This is why XXX has to sabotage SOS and GG, so that he can make more money.

Look at the piss scenes. People have given many reasons for why they stopped. Some say fear of the authorities, some say pressure from credit cards, some say XXX wants to make the site softer and more mainstream. But none of these explain why he first released more and more piss, then suddenly stopped, but left the old ones around, instead of deleting them. The reason is because he was jealous of GG. When GG started making his piss scenes, they sold much better than the Gonzo ones. So XXX tried to compete with GG by making more and more piss in his own scenes, but still they didn't sell as good. So, he finally decided that the only answer was to ban piss totally. It hurt the Gonzo scenes, but it hurt the GG scenes more.

But that still wasn't enough. GG was still making better scenes and selling more tickets, so XXX had to go even further and suddenly ban Julmodels, even though they had worked OK with them for years. But since they were GG's main source of girls, banning them killed GG's operation, so he can no longer compete with XXX.

It is the same thing with how slow are the Sineplex scenes released. When SOS went to Russia and found the hot new girls, he began to outsell Gonzo, so XXX responds by only releasing 3 scenes a week, and usually only 1 that is really with the top notch girls. He claims it is to keep from burning models, but his own Gonzo uses the same girls very often. Why does he worry about burning Arwen Gold, but not Linda Sweet or Timea Bella? It is because the true reason is to make the fans get frustrated, tired of waiting for the strong Sineplex scenes, and settle for buying the weaker Gonzo scenes.

So, you see, XXX is really no different than his rival, PW, since they both use unethical, sneaky tactics to undermine their competition. Personally, I will still be a LP member, but I will only buy scenes from Sineplex and GG. I will not buy Gonzo scenes, not as long as XXX uses these dirty tricks. I don't want to put any extra money in his pocket. It is really sad, since this site has great content, much better than anyone else. They could make a lot more money, if only XXX wasn't so greedy, and wanted it all for himself.

It's so wrong that it is kinda funny to read. My interest is that other studios make as many sales as possible and shoot as much as possible.

[utopiaa]

i Dunno, i have a feeling xxx still Fiances Sineplex and maybe GG scenes still, even thought they are separate studio. When the Drama about the blu-ray release was here XXX said he feels like an idiot financing the new girls first scenes that are quite tame and don't sell that good while the good stuff gets reserved for a Blu-ray release.

[kidloco]

If u would know how GG handled the business before LP experience, you would know. Anyway your thought is not contradicting what xxx has said, it supports it, because online you can sell more and income is almost instant and you can react to sales, that's not possible with the fucking Blu-ray burnt and stocked somewhere in a warehouse.

[TomUK]

Interesting theory and you've obviously put a lot of thought into it Sadly it makes absolutely no sense at all. Why would xxx resort to such tactics when he could simply refuse to host the other studios on his site? Besides which, xxx has always come across as a straight down the line no bullshit kind of business man whether or not you like his decisions. Truth be told, we probably all have a lot to thank him for as consumers.

[Mordecai35]

I don't think it's some conspiracy or trick, but constant alteration of a working business model isn't something I'd recommend.

As of Christmas time last year, this site was at its peak, IMO- but now here in summer, with these changes, and lack of clarity and direction, the solution for me was simple. This isn't about piss for me, my purchases were about 60/40 - i thought it was a nice and sexy addition sure, but my cancellation of auto-ticket purchases is about dedication and direction.

Honestly, right now Evil Angel & SF's Kink are where the boundaries are being pushed! Not here... How quickly things change. I hope the best for this studio, and hope that things someday go back to pushing the boundaries in a non-violent and entertaining way.

[Tastes Like Ass]

This is a very interesting theory, and in some ways, it does make sense, but there are just too many things that it can't explain. For example, why would XXX bring Giorgio in to direct in the first place, if he was worried about competing with him?

Also, it doesn't explain why the scenes (especially the Gonzo scenes) have changed in other ways lately. For example, why have the 0% pussy scenes almost vanished recently? Why is there so little ATOGM in the recent multi-girl scenes?

No, I still think the most likely explanation is that XXX is trying to take the site in a more softcore direction.

That would also explain why he has been releasing so few Sineplex scenes, and why the ones he has released have been mostly the very tame "new girl" scenes, since the better Sineplex scenes have piss, ATM/ATOGM, and other stuff that "the world is not ready for" yet.

As for Julmodels, who the hell knows? I really hate the politics of porn.

[dap-addict]

Jul will be sorted out eventually, I think.
The rest of Phil Phantom is just a good read and a good laugh. I mean if xxx was jealous he would just stop distributing their scenes on his LP site, no?

[Phil Phantom]

Hi guys. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that most people here dismiss my theory. A lot of you guys seem pretty naive about how the porn business really operates. But that's OK. I didn't come here to have a debate. I would rather watch porn than argue about it. I just wanted to explain my theory, and you guys can think whatever you want.

The only thing I would ask is before you call me crazy, just compare my theory to the one from XXX. He doesn't even really have a theory, just a lot of vague talk about problems. My theory may not explain everything, but he really explains nothing.

For years, LP made pissing scenes with no problems. Then suddenly, the world isn't ready. What changed? For years, LP was able to make things work with Julmodels. Then suddenly, they are impossible to deal with. What changed? Of course, XXX could put an end to all this, if he would just have the courage to give a real explanation. But instead, he would rather sit back and call other people liars.

[shark1]

No, I still think the most likely explanation is that XXX is trying to take the site in a more softcore direction.

This right here says it all, Legalporno will soon be no different really than Brazzers, Evil Angel, HardX, etc. The only difference is that LP will be shooting different women than most of the other studios.

[kidloco]

No, I still think the most likely explanation is that XXX is trying to take the site in a more softcore direction.

This right here says it all, Legalporno will soon be no different really than Brazzers, Evil Angel, HardX, etc. The only difference is that LP will be shooting different women than most of the other studios.

That's what I think and wrote about before, anyway it sucks big time. LP should keep their let's say European gonzo filming aproach. What the hell
are we supposed to watch when they'll imitate Brazzers, Mofos, whatever US shit...

[coastin]

Whatever the issue may be, LP is definitely going down right now in scene quality. Most of the new models they have shot have been below average. This ban has really hurt the quality of the girls that were available before.

[dpjunkie1]

A few month's back i thought LP was growing into one of the best hardcore porn site's.Now LP looks to be going down like a sinking ship. Model quality is down. GG seems to have been put out of business by the julmodel ban. Even male actors like Markus has not been around since the ban took place. Even though i'm not that big fan of piss. I do not think think it should have been banned. Just maybe turned down a little. The one pole on the forum's show 74% support the piss in scenes. Lp is starting to look more like the crap being made in the united states. I live in the US and the porn has been going downhill for the last 7 years now. On most US porn sites your lucky to see one DP scene made per month. Atleast XXX has not banned those yet. The way i see it XXX is just ticking his costumers off with his busness decisions.

[stemcell]

The Real Truth About Piss, Julmodels & Sineplex
Written by the NSA agent Phil Phantom

[realtip]

It's so wrong that it is kinda funny to read. My interest is that other studios make as many sales as possible and shoot as much as possible.

You want everyone to make as many sales as possible, yet you ban all the stuff that was selling the most? Yeah, that makes sense.

[kidloco]

It's so wrong that it is kinda funny to read. My interest is that other studios make as many sales as possible and shoot as much as possible.

You want everyone to make as many sales as possible, yet you ban all the stuff that was selling the most? Yeah, that makes sense.

I think relative sales vs absolute sales would be different when comparing piss / no piss.

[Pineapples Studio]

It's so wrong that it is kinda funny to read. My interest is that other studios make as many sales as possible and shoot as much as possible.

You want everyone to make as many sales as possible, yet you ban all the stuff that was selling the most? Yeah, that makes sense.

Aren't you supposed to be gone?

[gaperlover]

^I could not agree more. xxx is one of the most competent entrepreneurs and businessmen in the industry. LegalPorno would not be what it is today, without him. I will admit, he has made some controversial decisions recently, but I for one believe that they are in LegalPorno's best interest in the long run.

As tgcfc26 wisely pointed out, GG openly supported xxx's decision on the removal of piss:

I understand the point of xxx somehow. Pissing Keeps LP in a kind of "getto" of extreme porn, but on the other side dap and fisting was in the same position till 2 years ago... It's complicate to take decisions, xxx knows what he is doing so somehow I'm sure everyone will get benefits from a "clean up" of the home page (i mean studios)... time will tell us smt, will be fast to understand if sales increase or decrease

Look guys,
I dont really think its important to know the reason why xxx decide to stop pissing production. I know him longer then anyone between porn directors and I know one think: he does not miss a shot. So, I think that if he took this decision is because LP will do better without new pissing scene.
Anyway, lets keep in mind this is a good think... give limitation to directors means to increase quality and on other point the fantasy of the director it stimulated. I think specially the users should start to understand then in porn there is a limit somewhere, and should be the distributor to set it up... then its up to the director find a solution for keep "wet users" around the contents without pissing. This is why porn is "directed" and not simply shot.

Giorgio also openly supported xxx's decision to drop Julmodels:

I dont really think the nationality of the girl is important when she is pretty. Anyway I think the contents should rule much more then the quality of the models, its also a more profitable investment in long terms. Anyone is able make sales when you have pretty girls that anyone else have, and good boys, my point is and always will be to make good sales also with average models, its hard I know, and the way is longer, but in long term will be more easy and more profitable, specially on LP. LP is going mainstream, there are a lot of opportunity out there, its just a question of time.

About Julmodels: I dont see a great issue, Ive been in Russia 5 years and Ive many contact there.

I trust the judgement of both xxx and Giorgio, far more than the judgement of some sock puppet.



And although I do miss getting new scenes from Giorgio, at the moment. He has reassured us he will return, when he is ready:

I can not leave you alone for a moment!
I'm involved also in different activity then adult and in those days Im a bit busy with important stuff I cant not postpone.
I will be back asap.

As for Sineplex, they are doing just fine right now. In fact, I myself feel much of their current content is on par with, if not better than, the quality of scenes they were releasing during the Evilutionplex era. They have never been a studio that released scenes on a regular basis. It has always been sporadic, at best. In fact, I would argue that their current release schedule is the more consistent than it has ever been.

tgcfc26's scene count for 2015 using Arwen Gold, Linda Sweet, and Timea Bella was spot on.


I call bullshit on your "Real Truth" conspiracy theory as well.

Agree with these... I just love if Sineplex come back

[drevokocur66]

Yah, lol, that was complete bullshit. I have said it years agoand stand by it. A wet version of a scene will ALWAYS outsell the dry version.

[grey00owl]

Yah, lol, that was complete bullshit. I have said it years agoand stand by it. A wet version of a scene will ALWAYS outsell the dry version.

Curious to see how wrong that decision to suspend wet contents was and has finally shown, with a whole direction change. It's now fully clear that Piss, together with Anal, is the main reason of LP's success. As regard of the opener's supposition, I have no elements to judge and really don't like to speculate and give credit to conspiracy theories, but it's obvious there's a lack of communication from side of the management. Now as then, they don't feel any need to explain and make clear the reasons of their decisions, maybe even the opposite, as in the case of wet contents some years ago and in the case of private messages now.