All Anal Scenes

[wason]

How many LP scenes are there that are ALL ANAL without any pussy fucking?

LP should do more of these type of scenes where after the girl gives blowjob the guy goes straight to her asshole and just fucks her ass the whole time, showing lots of gapes along the way. Who else agrees?

-The best scenes from 2011, were the All Anal group scenes.
-And the previous poll indicates that "Anal Only and Gapes" is likely the most popular category among viewers ( viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7003 ).
-Another poll demonstrated that 2on2 scenes, are the most popular performer ratio.

Yet, there are NO 2on2 (or group) All Anal, scenes in the recent scene list (every single one has DP! ). Why is this? Where is the guy who was directing the All Anal group scenes in 2011? 2on2-All Anal scenes, are likely one of the most popular type of scenes, if not the most popular. Also, you have to pay girls significantly more for DP scenes, so in addition to being highly popular, All Anal-2on2 scenes would also be more cost effective.

There doesn't seem to be any reason not to be shooting this type of scene, and in fact it could be highly beneficial, for both Sineplex, and viewers. More All Anal-2on2 scenes!

[Pissing]

All the vaginal stuff is there because all those south america male performers are pussy lovers....
So, it will probably go something like this:

Director: Put it in her ass.
Jamaica: eehhhh...? Did he say pussy?... I like pussy... OK. no problemo..

BTW: WHERE ARE THE PISSING VIDEOS !!!!

[dap-addict]

-The best scenes from 2011, were the All Anal group scenes.
-And the previous poll indicates that "Anal Only and Gapes" is likely the most popular category among viewers ( http://btsporn.com/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7003 ).
-Another poll demonstrated that 2on2 scenes, are the most popular performer ratio.

Yet, there are NO 2on2 (or group) All Anal, scenes in the recent scene list (every single one has DP! ). Why is this?

This is a very good point and a demand we consumers should definitely take more care for!
Recent polls are even higher in favour for anal only: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7561
It shows that almost 30% wants no pussy fucking at all, and 0% want more pussy than anal which we still get here from time to time.

30% is no majority, but together with the 60% who want maximum 1-2 min of pussy fucking it shows in what high demand very anal friendly stuff is.

Me, I strive for years for anal only porn, for years I simply dont watch pussy fucking in porn, I counted more on LP to fit my criteria, to be honest.
But good we create a fan group to fight for 100% anal only scenes now!


Btw, how about dap for you? My ideal is 2 or 3on1, bj, STA, long hard anal in several positions, dap in several positions, anal fuck to get ready to shoot it off, post-cum anal fuck. Girl may rub her clit at the end, but no dick even touching her pussy!

[WorldComingDown]

Hell yeah! Vaginal is for pussies. 100% ANAL, ONLY ANAL like days in Russia.

[dap-addict]

Asked myself the same.
I think WCD thinks of those Golden Piter days anal-friendly girls.
But although there was a lot of STA, it still happened often that they fucked a girls pussy later, too.
Its a new approach to real 100% anal only we have to fight for!!!
It is a directors and later cutting desk choice!

[Pineapples Studio]

I don't get it. Is there something wrong with pussy?

[dap-addict]

Not at all!
But a large and growing group of LP clients want 100% anal fucking only in their porn scenes.
Many of us really care a lot about pussy still, just think of those shave-it-off discussions. Is all about a neatly presented pussy not touched actually.


Opium: Golden Piter years = Sineplex a.o. porn shootings in St. Peterburg/Russia from 2008-11, when the place got into the new Europorn capital.
GG and Omar actually started with that no anal = no booking policy for local rookies. But it had really positive effects!

[Pineapples Studio]

Opium: Golden Piter years = Sineplex a.o. porn shootings in St. Peterburg/Russia from 2008-11, when the place got into the new Europorn capital.

I don't get this. People on this forum love to say Sineplex's golden years were 2008-2011, and if you genuinely feel that way, there's nothing wrong with saying it. But Sineplex had been shooting hardcore anal-heavy rough scenes for years before that. Scenes with Wiska, Priscilla, Lis, Olya, Margarete, etc... Those were all shot around 2004-2005.

As far as I can tell, the only two things Sineplex introduced in 2008 that they hadn't done before were HD video and whipped cream. Besides that, they were pretty much doing what they had always done.

So what has happened in Russia since 2011? Can they still shoot porn in Russia or it's illegal now?

The Russians passed a new law that made porn production illegal. Some studios ignored it and kept filming anyway. It would seem that First Gape is one of those studios. Omar Galanti ignored it for a while, but eventually he pulled out. (No pun intended.)

[dap-addict]

evil, I am not that failiar with Sineplex before 2008 but what changed in their full Russian days was their STA output for sure.
A symbol showing their attitude fuelled by the large Piter talent pool and the Russian girls way of sex is for sure Alysa. A girl from the provice arrives at their casting, she just wants to work in porn, no idea what porn, just earn some money with her body and what does Sineplex: DAP in her first scene, rest is 100% anal only.
That is 2008-11 CULT!


Opium: Bts talks...they didnt have that written down of course and at least Omar also shot a lot of pussy sex when starting in Piter 2006/7, but soon they realized that Russian girls are very willing to do more and jump into anal straight. At peak there was a time they wouldnt book non-anal. And very good so!!!

[wason]

Haven't mentioned this topic in a while, and still no change...

Most popular scene types in polls have been 1)Only Anal and Gapes, 2) 2on2 Scenes.
But look at most recent scenes: every 2on2 scene has DP. And all 2on1, or 3on1 scenes have DP. It's very disappointing that the most popular category is "Only Anal and Gapes", yet Sineplex has apparently failed to account for this still - months later... Few scenes are "only anal" - majority have DP...

I hope they will start shooting again in the 2011 evilutionplex style, in russia now at the very least... That scene style is the best, and in the poll, most people agree that the 2011 era was Sinplex's best: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=7728&p=28093&hilit=golden#p28093

- focus on all anal
- only occassional DP scenes
- 2on2, etc
- 1+ hours long scenes (~30-40mins toys,~ 40 mins fucking)
- milk/kreme during whole scene

http://legalporno.com/watch/376/wiskas_revenge
http://legalporno.com/watch/242/mj_6_1

- Why are the majority of recent scenes in the 30-45 minute range? It's been stated that the shoots usually take a few hours - so there should be enough material to edit longer scenes.
- Why focus so much on DP(every group scene, every 2/3on1 scene, etc), when most popular scene type is: "Only Anal" (not to mention DP scenes are more expensive to shoot).

[magizi877]

Probably because DP scenes sell pretty well. It also keeps the male talent employed, which helps with job security and also helps keeping them near the LP studio. (I imagine)
It may also be a selling point, other websites feature DP sometimes once a week or a month, while in here, you can expect a few per week. (which keeps DP fans very happy, I might add)

[Shotgun00]

Now I've no problem with only anal scenes but if there's two guys do you really expect one guy to wait around until the other one gets out her ass. If the other guy stuck it in her mouth while he waits would that be only anal? But if he sticks it in her pussy while she's being ass fucked it's not? I really struggle to see the difference. Even the one on one scenes would you complain if he took his cock out her ass for some atm because it isn't all anal?

[wason]

Now I've no problem with only anal scenes but if there's two guys do you really expect one guy to wait around until the other one gets out her ass. If the other guy stuck it in her mouth while he waits would that be only anal? But if he sticks it in her pussy while she's being ass fucked it's not? I really struggle to see the difference. Even the one on one scenes would you complain if he took his cock out her ass for some atm because it isn't all anal?

The poll I was referencing (http://btsporn.com/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7003). For example, the "vaginal only" option received 0 votes."Anal only" was the most popular choice by voters. It is clear that the largest proportion of viewers want to see "only anal" scenes, and I didn't think the concept is that is that hard to understand.

The fact that there are very few "anal only" scenes (group scenes especially, but also otherwise), despite it being the most popular choice, does not seem to optimize the product(scenes), from a business point of view. Yes, there should be some DP scenes, but there should be proportionally more "all anal" scenes, using the same logic (more popular, and cheaper to produce).

[magizi877]

Now I've no problem with only anal scenes but if there's two guys do you really expect one guy to wait around until the other one gets out her ass. If the other guy stuck it in her mouth while he waits would that be only anal? But if he sticks it in her pussy while she's being ass fucked it's not? I really struggle to see the difference. Even the one on one scenes would you complain if he took his cock out her ass for some atm because it isn't all anal?

The poll I was referencing (viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7003). For example, the "vaginal only" option received 0 votes."Anal only" was the most popular choice by voters. It is clear that the largest proportion of viewers want to see "only anal" scenes, and I didn't think the concept is that is that hard to understand.

The fact that there are very few "anal only" scenes (group scenes especially, but also otherwise), despite it being the most popular choice, does not seem to optimize the product(scenes), from a business point of view. Yes, there should be some DP scenes, but there should be proportionally more "all anal" scenes, using the same logic (more popular, and cheaper to produce).

116 ppl voted, some videos have over 500,000 buys. clearly the vast majority of customers are not even aware of the forums or don't care.

[wason]

The validity and value of the polls (with regards to limited sample size, and overall accuracy) has already been discussed: Not a perfectly accurate representation, but at the same time, likely to represent overall preferences fairly accurately(because people who vote should be randomized across all potential preferences), in many cases (especially when there is a obvious strong trend: eg. most votes for "anal only" and no votes for "vaginal only".)

[Shotgun00]

Now I've no problem with only anal scenes but if there's two guys do you really expect one guy to wait around until the other one gets out her ass. If the other guy stuck it in her mouth while he waits would that be only anal? But if he sticks it in her pussy while she's being ass fucked it's not? I really struggle to see the difference. Even the one on one scenes would you complain if he took his cock out her ass for some atm because it isn't all anal?

The poll I was referencing (viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7003). For example, the "vaginal only" option received 0 votes."Anal only" was the most popular choice by voters. It is clear that the largest proportion of viewers want to see "only anal" scenes, and I didn't think the concept is that is that hard to understand.

The fact that there are very few "anal only" scenes (group scenes especially, but also otherwise), despite it being the most popular choice, does not seem to optimize the product(scenes), from a business point of view. Yes, there should be some DP scenes, but there should be proportionally more "all anal" scenes, using the same logic (more popular, and cheaper to produce).

I didn't find the concept hard to understand I just didn't agree that if there's two guys in the scene one of them should just wait around instead of dping her just to meet the only anal quota. There are plenty of scenes where the only time a dick enters a pussy is during the dp and the rest is only anal. Anyway you didn't answer if you consider the scene to be only anal if the girl sticks the cock in her mouth?

[dap-addict]

If there is two studs the second one just has to stick his dick in the girls ass, too!
But certainly no pussy fucking, thus no dp.
wason is right, there is too little 100% anal only.

[wason]

I didn't find the concept hard to understand I just didn't agree that if there's two guys in the scene one of them should just wait around instead of dping her just to meet the only anal quota. There are plenty of scenes where the only time a dick enters a pussy is during the dp and the rest is only anal. Anyway you didn't answer if you consider the scene to be only anal if the girl sticks the cock in her mouth?

I didn't answer because I thought the terms were common knowledge. By chance, in case you or Sineplex management did not understand the concept, here is the explanation:

For example, other companies produce scenes that are associated with the common term: "vaginal only". In these scenes, for example, there would be oral/vaginal toy/vaginal fucking......whether the scene contained 1 guy or 2 guys etc - it would still be vaginal only - no DP
Extending the concept to "anal only" is again, not difficult: oral/anal toy/anal fucking.....whether there is 1, 2 guys etc. - only anal - no DP

Some companies have a customer base that wants to see "vaginal only" whether or not there is 1+ guys per scene. In the case of Sineplex, the largest proportion of Sineplex customer base wants to see scenes, with "anal only" - not anal with DP.

Sineplex is addressing certain segments of its customer base very well, but it is not addressing the "anal only" (the largest segment) of its customer base, hardly at all. Sineplex should shoot more "only anal" scenes - with no DP.

[SEMU]

How many LP scenes are there that are ALL ANAL without any pussy fucking?

LP should do more of these type of scenes where after the girl gives blowjob the guy goes straight to her asshole and just fucks her ass the whole time, showing lots of gapes along the way. Who else agrees?

+10000 I TOTALLY AGREE

[jazetiernan00]

Me, I strive for years for anal only porn, for years I simply dont watch pussy fucking in porn, I counted more on LP to fit my criteria, to be honest.
But good we create a fan group to fight for 100% anal only scenes now!

My ideal is 2 or 3on1, bj, STA, long hard anal in several positions, dap in several positions, anal fuck to get ready to shoot it off, post-cum anal fuck. Girl may rub her clit at the end, but no dick even touching her pussy!

Anal only, for the win! It would seem a concept not too far-fetched considering the content is already geared towards majority anal anyways. Not a lot of change would need to be made in order to bring these type of scenes back around. Plus, if there's multiple male talent on one female model, they could always fuck her ass and mouth and swap around which would suffice for peoples ATM fetish as well. We also need more Anal Full-nelsons in my opinion.

[Sir Noel]

Not a big fan of DP myself, but the argument being put forward here, on the basis of the poll result, is flawed.

The poll never gave an option for DP. Had the poll options directly pitted DP against anal only then the conclusion would have more validity.

For myself, there seems to be something qualitatively different between scenes that include vaginal and anal sex as seperate acts (usually with vaginal as a precursor to anal) and scenes for which vaginal penetration is purely as an adjunct to anal, as part of a DP.
Clearly the ontology of porn acts is highly subjective but i suspect many people would feel similar to how i do on this (though, as I say, I am still no great fan of DP, especially when it becomes a big feature of a scene).

[wason]

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[Sir Noel]

I have to say, I ticked "anal only" but when doing so I was considering it against scenes which have a vaginal build up component. DP never came in to my thoughts.

There is maybe something extra hardcore, I contend, in going straight to the ass and bypassing the pussy, in many people's minds. I am not so sure then progressing to a DP necessarily breaches that (though ofc it does for some) because DP is usually seen as a progression ON from anal, not a precursor to it (in the porn world, I mean).


Not really arguing with your tastes - less pussy and DP for me also - but I just think your basis is a little sketchy (though they have gone DP-mad the last few months after a period of very little DP)

[wason]

I have to say, I ticked "anal only" but when doing so I was considering it against scenes which have a vaginal build up component. DP never came in to my thoughts.

There is maybe something extra hardcore, I contend, in going straight to the ass and bypassing the pussy, in many people's minds. I am not so sure then progressing to a DP necessarily breaches that (though ofc it does for some) because DP is usually seen as a progression ON from anal, not a precursor to it (in the porn world, I mean).


Not really arguing with your tastes - less pussy and DP for me also - but I just think your basis is a little sketchy (though they have gone DP-mad the last few months after a period of very little DP)

Sorry, I had to re-articulate my previous post. I mention the basis could be more valid, however, the resultant conclusion is likely accurate:
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The poll could be more valid. But we do know that the largest proportion did vote for anal only (I doubt that there was significant issues with subjective interpretation of this specific statement- in the same way most people know what "vaginal only" scenes entail - no DP) In any case, the vast majority of recent scenes have DP(eg. all group scenes, all 3/1 scenes), and there are very few "only anal" scenes. Is this the optimal mix? Unlikely.

You have a specific valid point, but the conclusion that Sineplex should shoot more "anal only" - no DP, scenes, is more than likely correct.

[wason]

There is maybe something extra hardcore, I contend, in going straight to the ass and bypassing the pussy, in many people's minds. I am not so sure then progressing to a DP necessarily breaches that (though ofc it does for some) because DP is usually seen as a progression ON from anal, not a precursor to it (in the porn world, I mean).

I think the more relevant consideration(aside from the level of "hardcore") is simply preference. If people are interested in "anal" specifically(and not interested in vaginal or consequently DP), then whether or not a DP would constitute a "progression" (which it probably does), is not really the issue. (that being said, there probably is an interesting psychological dynamic, from only using the ass, and not the pussy - which might be seen by some, as more "hardcore" or at least more interesting )

For people who prefer "anal only" scenes, probably their focus is on the anal action, and the girl's reaction to this... In this context, DP, would just be an unwelcome distraction, that strongly detracts from the preferred focus. (whether more hardcore or not)

Personally, any time a scene features DP, I don't really get into it. The scene dynamic is not desirable anymore.

[Symbalar]

I don´t like DPs , specially in reverse cowgirl, that looks like vaginal only,and the girls don´t like it(Linda Sweet´´pussy no pussy no´´).In 95% of cases the sit guy is stationary, so DP RC sucks.Don´t spend money in DPs. Please 100% ANAL and one hour scenes.

[dap-addict]

I think the more relevant consideration(aside from the level of "hardcore") is simply preference. If people are interested in "anal" specifically(and not interested in vaginal or consequently DP), then whether or not a DP would constitute a "progression" (which it probably does), is not really the issue.

Both polls were quite clear about anal only. And I think in a forum like this starting a poll I dont have to explain that in dp pussy is involved.
Once in the old days of porn, 80-90ties of last century, the "natural" progressin was pussy - anal - dp. Anal was still pretty rare, many girls would do dpp to avoid anal and still do it with two studs at once.
But now we have other times, and LP/Sineplex clearly caters for the anal crowd. All I wanted to find out is how high a demand we have for 100% anal only, i.e. anal progresses to dap only, all scenes are STA, multiple stud scenes are anal/dap - bj (ATM of course), no pussy never even touched by dick.
This turned out a much higher percentage as we actually get LP scenes produced.
Its just a BIG call for LP, nothing more!

[Tastes Like Ass]

There is maybe something extra hardcore, I contend, in going straight to the ass and bypassing the pussy, in many people's minds. I am not so sure then progressing to a DP necessarily breaches that (though ofc it does for some) because DP is usually seen as a progression ON from anal, not a precursor to it (in the porn world, I mean).

This is pretty close to the way I look at it. I prefer for the scene to get more hardcore as it goes along, and I consider DP to be more hardcore than anal. After all, there are girls that do "normal" anal but won't do DP, but I've never heard of a girl who does DP but won't do "normal" anal. So, I like some DP, and I don't even mind a little plain vaginal as a warmup, but I absolutely hate when they switch back and forth between the ass and the pussy, or when they do anal first, and then vaginal later. That just totally dials down the nastiness, which makes it a big turnoff for me. Once the anal starts, I don't want to see any more pussy fucking (unless it's part of a DP).

I also don't mind some double vag, but only if it's part of the Triple Double (DP/DPP/DAP all by the same girl, all in the same scene). Double vag by itself is boring to me, but when combined with double anal and "normal" DP, I think it's really hot. There's just something extra nasty about seeing a girl getting both her holes stuffed and stretched in every possible way.

By the way, it's a myth that most of the old Evilutionplex scenes were anal only. Very few of them were, and in fact, many of them had a lot more (non-DP) pussy fucking than almost any of the current scenes do.

[dap-addict]

By the way, it's a myth that most of the old Evilutionplex scenes were anal only. Very few of them were, and in fact, many of them had a lot more (non-DP) pussy fucking than almost any of the current scenes do.

Thats an important point, TLA.
SOS shot excellent quality porn, but he didnt/doenst understand the all-anal call.
This is one reason we started this thread I hope. 100% anal only is a real demand, but nobody at LP ever catered really for it.

I repeat, all anal is: STA, anal or dap (combined with bj) only, no dick even touching the girls pussy, no pussy dildoing either. Only thing acceptable for me is the girl rubbing her clit and pussy during anal or dap with her hand or self-fisting it if she likes.

[Sir Noel]

TLA,
I think we generally agree on this. The one part if your oerspective I doubt I will ever get a handle on is why you feel A2P effectively constitutes dialling down the nastiness, especially when you appreciate A2M.
Not denying that is how you feel or that you "shouldn't" feel that way. Just that I can't get my head round it. Seems to me to be one of the nastiest acts around.

[Tastes Like Ass]

TLA,
I think we generally agree on this. The one part if your oerspective I doubt I will ever get a handle on is why you feel A2P effectively constitutes dialling down the nastiness, especially when you appreciate A2M.
Not denying that is how you feel or that you "shouldn't" feel that way. Just that I can't get my head round it. Seems to me to be one of the nastiest acts around.

Well, imagine you have a nastiness ladder (or hardcore ladder, or whatever you want to call it). Anal is obviously higher up the nastiness ladder than vaginal, so if they stop fucking her ass, in order to fuck her pussy instead, they have taken a step down on the nastiness ladder. Of course, some guys (Adriano, for example) just go rapidly back and forth (one stroke in the ass, one stroke in the pussy, one stroke in the ass, one stroke in the pussy, etc.). In that case, my problem with it is not so much a lack of nastiness, but rather that it kills the rhythm of the scene, in the same way that changing positions every few seconds kills the rhythm of the scene. Still, if I had to choose, that's better than stopping the anal entirely.

One other reason for my aversion to ATP is that, as I've mentioned in other threads, there seems to be a direct tradeoff between the amount of ATP and the amount of ATM in any given scene, and since there's rarely enough ATM for my taste to begin with, I certainly don't want to sacrifice any of it. To put it another way, every time I see a cock coming out of an ass, I'm hoping it's about to go into a mouth, so when it goes somewhere else, I'm always a little disappointed. It's particularly frustrating when they go ATP and then PTM. That makes me want to throw something at the screen!

[wason]

Not a big fan of DP myself, but the argument being put forward here, on the basis of the poll result, is flawed.

The poll never gave an option for DP. Had the poll options directly pitted DP against anal only then the conclusion would have more validity.

There was actually a Poll that directly compared "anal only"(as well as "95% anal - no DP"), and DP (but I forgot about it ). The results were even stronger for "anal only" with no DP:

- 30% chose the "only anal" - NO DP option (in addition, 15% chose 95% anal" - no DP, option)
- 13% chose "pussy only with DP"

So yes apparently the basis for, as well, as the conclusion, that Sineplex should be shooting a lot more "anal only" - NO DP scenes, is valid (especially since the vast majority of recent scenes (all group scenes, all 3on1) have DP ).

Please Sineplex, shoot a lot more "anal only" - NO DP scenes. This is what viewers want.

[dap-addict]

Thanks, wason, I wanted to point that out myself as its exactly why I did include dp in that poll.
We can actually add 1/5 to those votes, as I mixed in the post-cum anal fuck option, which is just another way of anal play. Thus its 36% for 100% anal only and 18% of 95% anal without dp.
Now that doenst mean LP should shoot no dp anymore, but they should shoot at least one third 100% anal only scenes. I really hope xxx finally listens!

here is my poll including the dp option: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7561

[dirtyflits]

100% anal i agree, we dont need those pussys to be pounded. just anal anal and anal!

[dpconnoisseur1]

All the polls on this website are flawed just like the one below:
http://www.btsporn.com/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7561

Anal will always come out on top because we are all anal consumers first but that is not the reason they are flawed! The reason they are flawed is because how the votes are counted. For example lets take the poll above. It allowed 4 votes per person so when the totals are done its hard to say how many people voted because it counts all votes not all people in the results.

So based on the poll above anywhere from 30 to 123 people voted and there is no way to tell what that number really is! Now we can bring up the lower end some because there where 37 votes for anal so we know the bottom number can be no lower than 37 votes! That is the most you can extrapolate from this poll. So wide generalization are impossible. In order to make the poll more meaningful it has to be done with one vote per person! It would tell a clearer picture! So whomever made the poll should do it again but only with one vote per person and clear choices. For instance:
1-anal only
2-pussy only
3-dp only
That would make the argument clear!!! Everything else is flawed and good thing XXX is smart enough to look at sales number to decide what do! We are the loud minority on LP the forum dwellers that live for this stuff!

Well that is my two cents, I don't think anyone of us would make decisions based on a poll that could only have a total of 37 customers voting. Also they may not even be customers since the forum is not tied to active accounts like most other sites!

[dap-addict]

So much is clear: Takeing views of the new 0% pussy line as an indicator of sales it doenst look bad at all till now!
Sabrina Moore - 55000 in 5 days
Timea & Kerry - 96000 in 7 days
Anita Bellini - 100000 in 15 days

Anita doenst sell that good anymore, but yielding impressive numbers still.
xxx, if you compare with dap sale rates you get an idea how to still maximize 0% pussy. Just an idea...

[deanob73]

So much is clear: Takeing views of the new 0% pussy line as an indicator of sales it doenst look bad at all till now!
Sabrina Moore - 55000 in 5 days
Timea & Kerry - 96000 in 7 days
Anita Bellini - 100000 in 15 days

Anita doenst sell that good anymore, but yielding impressive numbers still.
xxx, if you compare with dap sale rates you get an idea how to still maximize 0% pussy. Just an idea...

Nice analysis my friend