What is so good about porn?

[bladblabla2019]

We all obviously watch porn and even feel the need to discuss it at length and in detail, but what the hell is so good about it? It's not just getting to see naked women, surely. So what exactly is it about porn that has you so captivated? No doubt you have many reasons. Do tell:

[dap-addict]

For the last years I am more interested how these girls do it really, how they cope with the DAP I want from them. Also including what is a fair payment for them etc. It's a deeper look into affairs so to say.

[bladblabla2019]

For the last years I am more interested how these girls do it really, how they cope with the DAP I want from them. Also including what is a fair payment for them etc. It's a deeper look into affairs so to say.

Interesting. And what is it about the porn itself (the image, the vibe, the sucking, fucking and the rest of it) that keeps you coming back?

I swear I'm not trying to psychoanalyse anybody here! Just very curious to see what it is that gets others going, and to see if it matches with my own perspective at all.

[dap720]

Its definitely a mix of things I want to do or try in my own sex life but can't, and sexy women doing things that normal hot girls you see in person would never do themselves or let you see them do it.

[bladblabla2019]

Its definitely a mix of things I want to do or try in my own sex life but can't, and sexy women doing things that normal hot girls you see in person would never do themselves or let you see them do it.

I definitely get that. I love scenes with multiple guys fucking one girl, and I think I would love to DP a chick but then again I'm not sure I could work with other men, especially naked men with hard cocks, not just in the same room but in the same girl! I just know I love to see women getting pushed into ecstasy by one in her ass and one in her cunt.

[dap720]

Its definitely a mix of things I want to do or try in my own sex life but can't, and sexy women doing things that normal hot girls you see in person would never do themselves or let you see them do it.

I definitely get that. I love scenes with multiple guys fucking one girl, and I think I would love to DP a chick but then again I'm not sure I could work with other men, especially naked men with hard cocks, not just in the same room but in the same girl! I just know I love to see women getting pushed into ecstasy by one in her ass and one in her cunt.

I get what you mean but when im super hormy watching a scene with multiple guys and just one whore getting used I can definitely imagine being there and being able to stay hard, even just waiting for my turn or having her hand jack me while other guys are in her ass and mouth. I also think the idea of a girl only getting fucked in her ass and mouth is pretty unobtainable in real life. So seeing a sexy sluts pussy being ignored while multiple dudes use her ass and mouth and tits for their pleasure is extra hot because I know its something I'll never encounter myself. I also enjoy seeing them get pissed in and on and that is something I dont think I would ever do myself unless we are in the shower or something where clean up is immediate

[bladblabla2019]

I find running a train on the girl extremely hot. Something about them just putting themselves there for free use is incredible. And I get what you mean about ignoring her biggest weapon, her pussy, but I still think taking advantage of every hole is best. The fact she never knows where the cock is going next but just takes it. I have noticed that scenes where they switch between cunt and ass keeps the girl on her toes, she can't get too comfortable, and the reaction is intense.

I hope I get the chance to join in one day, but as you say it's next to impossible IRL.

[dap720]

I find running a train on the girl extremely hot. Something about them just putting themselves there for free use is incredible. And I get what you mean about ignoring her biggest weapon, her pussy, but I still think taking advantage of every hole is best. The fact she never knows where the cock is going next but just takes it. I have noticed that scenes where they switch between cunt and ass keeps the girl on her toes, she can't get too comfortable, and the reaction is intense.

I hope I get the chance to join in one day, but as you say it's next to impossible IRL.

Oh for sure buddy would love to run a train on a girl wether she was super into it or just laid there and Let us use her holes while we talk about how good she looks and feels. I don't think its impossible to find a girl down for a gangbang/ a train being run on her, but I do think finding a girl willing to let multiple guys use her butt and throat like in the analvids videos is pretty unlikely. Plus personally Im not single anymore and able to fuck any girl whos willing.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Porn for me is about escapism from the harsh realities of real life.

Porn is also good, as it helps to stimulate and spice up your sex life with your partner.

Porn has also helped me to stay faithful to my partner, as any sexual fantasies can be watched and shared together whilst watching mutually liked scenes together.

Porn also helps with my mental and physical health, it can at times help me to "release", as it reduces the likelihood of prostate problems, and prostate cancer.
Watching porn, and releasing to it also reduces my stress, and most definitely increases the number of 'happy chemicals' floating in my brain.

Porn was also a huge motivator at various points in my life to try and get more in shape. Using the home gym, whilst having porn in the background was the only way to really PUSH myself to lift heavier weights, and increase my limited fitness levels etc.

There are more points I could include, but as you can see the list is already quite substantial about the benefits of porn, to me.

[bladblabla2019]

Porn for me is about escapism from the harsh realities of real life.

Porn is also good, as it helps to stimulate and spice up your sex life with your partner.

Porn has also helped me to stay faithful to my partner, as any sexual fantasies can be watched and shared together whilst watching mutually liked scenes together.

Porn also helps with my mental and physical health, it can at times help me to "release", as it reduces the likelihood of prostate problems, and prostate cancer.
Watching porn, and releasing to it also reduces my stress, and most definitely increases the number of 'happy chemicals' floating in my brain.

Porn was also a huge motivator at various points in my life to try and get more in shape. Using the home gym, whilst having porn in the background was the only way to really PUSH myself to lift heavier weights, and increase my limited fitness levels etc.

There are more points I could include, but as you can see the list is already quite substantial about the benefits of porn, to me.

It's definitely a great way to unwind and blow off steam. I wish I could use it to get me moving - to be honest, it's more likely to get me sat down at the screen for several hours!

[bladblabla2019]

I suppose what I'm also trying to get at is: what kinks and fetishes within porn blow your mind most, and have you ever given any serious thought as to why?

It's like, I like scene with the girl getting used hard - balls deep penetration, ass slapping, face slapping, hair pulling, multiple cocks in her at once - and I also find pigtails and braces hot. But I'm not hateful of women, and I like adult women (even if with braces and pigtails). I like seeing the girl look like she's really getting dominated, completely objectified and overwhelmed by sleazy guys who just use her like meat. But, again, that's just not how I see IRL women, or sex in general. Then cumshots - I get turned on by the seeming degradation, especially when the girl's make-up is all fucked up by sweat and tears and she just has to take it and swallow. I know it's all fake, but I still can't get my head around why I enjoy it!

Life is complicate

[YuriyProneBone]

What makes anal porn beautiful is not the act itself, but the meaning behind it. It represents surrender in one of its most raw forms. The woman is not simply participating, she is yielding. She is giving up control and allowing herself to be taken, even when the intensity can look physically challenging.

That’s what makes it so psychologically charged. It’s a moment where pride, resistance, and self-protection drop away, and what replaces it is trust, submission, and acceptance. She is letting herself be overwhelmed.

And that’s where the beauty comes in. For her, it becomes psychologically satisfying because it activates a deep, almost primal dynamic of being fully claimed. It’s the feeling of being desired so strongly that she can stop holding back, stop managing, stop controlling. She becomes fully taken, fully possessed in the moment, and that experience makes her feel her womanhood in a sharper, more undeniable way. Watching that transformation is what makes it beautiful.

[bladblabla2019]

What makes anal porn beautiful is not the act itself, but the meaning behind it. It represents surrender in one of its most raw forms. The woman is not simply participating, she is yielding. She is giving up control and allowing herself to be taken, even when the intensity can look physically challenging.

That’s what makes it so psychologically charged. It’s a moment where pride, resistance, and self-protection drop away, and what replaces it is trust, submission, and acceptance. She is letting herself be overwhelmed.

And that’s where the beauty comes in. For her, it becomes psychologically satisfying because it activates a deep, almost primal dynamic of being fully claimed. It’s the feeling of being desired so strongly that she can stop holding back, stop managing, stop controlling. She becomes fully taken, fully possessed in the moment, and that experience makes her feel her womanhood in a sharper, more undeniable way. Watching that transformation is what makes it beautiful.

Is it also, paraphrasing Fight Club, seeing something beautiful destroyed? The submission you talk about can't happen without an act of dominance which is almost an aggression. With porn as well, the desire isn't romantic - for me it seems the desire is to completely break the girl's dignity, because the girl is reduced to her naked flesh and orifices, and because her sole purpose is serve the stud and the viewers. Of course, it's hot that the girl is aroused and getting her brains fucked out, but isn't it more about men using a woman as a sexual object?

[RobJung]

Porn is a utopia. It dares to dream of a world in which the female body is always available, obtainable, usable, disposable. A world in which ceaselessly renewed supply of bodies overcomes the austere logic of scarcity that governs our material world. A world with an endless proliferation of the female body as a fuckable commodity. A world in which fuckability is the key currency. A world in which the male gaze is natural law. A world in which objectification is the highest form of respect. A world in which the word "no" has no real meaning. A world with built-in consent as a default setting. Or with 'assisted consent' where the default setting may not apply. A world in which beauty is rewarded with cum. A world in which the cum shot means salvation and transcendence. A world in which you never will be judged for being aroused by this.

[GapeStars]

For me, I love seeing how far girls can push their limits. I see anal as an endurance test and it’s interesting to me to see how far it can go. Experienced pros like Brittany and Anne De Ville fascinate me as they push their bodies to the extreme.

But I also love degradation and the idea of girls being completely fucked out. Piss is incredible to me and I love seeing it introduced. Girls covered in cum is so beautiful.

The best thing though is comparing them from start to finish. My favourite porn scene is Monsters of DAP with Angel Smalls. She starts the scene full of confidence and wanting to get started. And by the end she is a squealing mess with cum all over her face and a gaped asshole and looks fucked out. It got me hooked and I’ve never looked back.

[fister2]

For me it's something that you are not able to see or do in normal life.

[YuriyProneBone]

Is it also, paraphrasing Fight Club, seeing something beautiful destroyed? The submission you talk about can't happen without an act of dominance which is almost an aggression. With porn as well, the desire isn't romantic - for me it seems the desire is to completely break the girl's dignity, because the girl is reduced to her naked flesh and orifices, and because her sole purpose is serve the stud and the viewers. Of course, it's hot that the girl is aroused and getting her brains fucked out, but isn't it more about men using a woman as a sexual object?

I don’t want to judge, but the way you describe it makes it sound like, for you, it’s an act of vengeance.
I’m not here to judge because it’s understandable that some males fall into victimhood, and that can even feel more positive than giving up completely. But it’s also a place that can be dangerous if you stay there for too long.

The only way to get out is by front-facing all your fears, which are usually the truths about yourself that you don’t want to face. That is basically taking responsibility and accountability for everything that happens in your life. That’s a scary place, but it’s only temporary, and it’s the only way to escape blame and victimhood.

Once those feared realities become clear, it becomes about tapping into anger in a way that empowers you to move up. It’s different from blaming, because it’s not about saying you can’t. It’s about saying you will do something.

Then, if you find yourself at that level, the realization that you can do it gives you the courage to move toward your desires. Once those desires become solid, they give you the purpose to find that harmonious place where you don’t demand anything from the world, and you’re actually in a win-win situation with it.
That’s when you can appreciate porn for the pressure of both you and the woman.

And yes, women love to feel taken, fucked, and used, and even consensually abused, but that doesn’t take away their dignity or make them less. It doesn’t diminish their value next to men. It actually makes it equal, because just like she is serving the man’s desires, the man is also satisfying hers, the desires that make her feel like a woman.

In this way, dominance becomes a necessity, not an aggression. It becomes an expression of a collaborative frame.

[bladblabla2019]

Is it also, paraphrasing Fight Club, seeing something beautiful destroyed? The submission you talk about can't happen without an act of dominance which is almost an aggression. With porn as well, the desire isn't romantic - for me it seems the desire is to completely break the girl's dignity, because the girl is reduced to her naked flesh and orifices, and because her sole purpose is serve the stud and the viewers. Of course, it's hot that the girl is aroused and getting her brains fucked out, but isn't it more about men using a woman as a sexual object?

I don’t want to judge, but the way you describe it makes it sound like, for you, it’s an act of vengeance.
I’m not here to judge because it’s understandable that some males fall into victimhood, and that can even feel more positive than giving up completely. But it’s also a place that can be dangerous if you stay there for too long.

The only way to get out is by front-facing all your fears, which are usually the truths about yourself that you don’t want to face. That is basically taking responsibility and accountability for everything that happens in your life. That’s a scary place, but it’s only temporary, and it’s the only way to escape blame and victimhood.

Once those feared realities become clear, it becomes about tapping into anger in a way that empowers you to move up. It’s different from blaming, because it’s not about saying you can’t. It’s about saying you will do something.

Then, if you find yourself at that level, the realization that you can do it gives you the courage to move toward your desires. Once those desires become solid, they give you the purpose to find that harmonious place where you don’t demand anything from the world, and you’re actually in a win-win situation with it.
That’s when you can appreciate porn for the pressure of both you and the woman.

And yes, women love to feel taken, fucked, and used, and even consensually abused, but that doesn’t take away their dignity or make them less. It doesn’t diminish their value next to men. It actually makes it equal, because just like she is serving the man’s desires, the man is also satisfying hers, the desires that make her feel like a woman.

In this way, dominance becomes a necessity, not an aggression. It becomes an expression of a collaborative frame.

That's an interesting take. I do want to make it clear that I was trying to look at it more objectively, or at least from both angles. I definitely don't feel the need to dominate, degrade, or 'destroy' women. But that does seem to be part of the aesthetic. I was talking more about how porn is designed and presented, everything from the costuming to the action.

I love porno girls because they're completely free of any sexual hang ups. My favourite porno girls are the ones who you can tell are just as energetic and dirty as the studs. That's how I can live with watching them getting used so hard. This image for example:

Mell Blanco is getting completely fucked. Big cock in her ass, big cock in her pussy, big cocks in her hands. Guys all around her, one grabbing her throat, another grabbing her hair, there's even a guy pulling her by the ankle so we can see her holes better. It's a very aggressive image. But she's loving it. If you watch the scene, she's smiling half the time, but she's also getting treated like fuckmeat. So it can't just be about enjoying female sexual liberation right? Part of it is surely male dominance over women, and the sexual objectification of women.

Both can be true at the same time and that's fine, isn't it?

[RobJung]

(...) But she's loving it. If you watch the scene, she's smiling half the time, but she's also getting treated like fuckmeat. So it can't just be about enjoying female sexual liberation right? Part of it is surely male dominance over women, and the sexual objectification of women. Both can be true at the same time and that's fine, isn't it?

Great thing about porn: You don't have to justify yourself for it.

Some of us prefer a model smiling and moaning, displaying her pleasure and consent, showing how much she loves it and enjoys it. And if that makes you feel good, that's totally fine! Others love to see a model struggling: her pain, the strain her body is subjected to during a rough, demanding scene. And that's also okay! It's just different tastes and triggers. (And different approaches and abilities of performers.) We shouldn't be so judmental but celebrate the vast supply of porn on offer for every taste and preference imaginable.

The same applies to 'objectification': When it comes to porn, there's nothing bad about it. It's just the essence of porn. When we jerk off to watching a hot girl getting fucked the way we like it, of course we objectify her. That's the whole point of the endeavour. We shouldn't feel bad or guilty about it. Objects can be prescious and be held in high regard. By the way, male performers are objectified too, probably even more than the girls. An object serves a purpose, and, again, that's just the essence of porn. It's about purposeful interactions. We should embrace it, celebrate it, and enjoy the whole menu.

[bladblabla2019]

(...) But she's loving it. If you watch the scene, she's smiling half the time, but she's also getting treated like fuckmeat. So it can't just be about enjoying female sexual liberation right? Part of it is surely male dominance over women, and the sexual objectification of women. Both can be true at the same time and that's fine, isn't it?

Great thing about porn: You don't have to justify yourself for it.

Some of us prefer a model smiling and moaning, displaying her pleasure and consent, showing how much she loves it and enjoys it. And if that makes you feel good, that's totally fine! Others love to see a model struggling: her pain, the strain her body is subjected to during a rough, demanding scene. And that's also okay! It's just different tastes and triggers. (And different approaches and abilities of performers.) We shouldn't be so judmental but celebrate the vast supply of porn on offer for every taste and preference imaginable.

The same applies to 'objectification': When it comes to porn, there's nothing bad about it. It's just the essence of porn. When we jerk off to watching a hot girl getting fucked the way we like it, of course we objectify her. That's the whole point of the endeavour. We shouldn't feel bad or guilty about it. Objects can be prescious and be held in high regard. By the way, male performers are objectified too, probably even more than the girls. An object serves a purpose, and, again, that's just the essence of porn. It's about purposeful interactions. We should embrace it, celebrate it, and enjoy the whole menu.

I agree that we don't have to justify our porn consumption. There's nothing wrong with watching porn - it's made by adults for adults, and it's consensual sex between adults even when it's made to look forced or the girl is made to look barely legal (or even is barely legal at only 18). I'm honest with myself about what I like - which is almost everything - but sometimes I do end up wondering about whether it's a bad thing to enjoy what I'm watching. For example when the girl getting fucked is dressed up to look all young and innocent (pigtails, colourful panties, braces etc.), or when the studs are being verbally disrespectful when fucking the girl.That shit turns me on, but it's so far from my normal mindset that I can't figure out why - is it the wrongness that's so hot?

[bladblabla2019]

Anyway, this thread got slightly off the topic I had wanted to explore.

What I wanto know is: what's good about porn? Look at the images and let me know what you think makes thems good porn:

This random Latina

Emily Willis on Throated

Ria Sunn standing DP

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Abelinda on a DP set

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This chick stuck between two studs and getting hit hard

Tori Black in her 'teen' phase

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Piper Perri got pasted

So what is it about these images that flick a switch not just in your balls but in the mind?

[misangrenegra2]

What makes porn good and attractive for me is watch the woman performing the stuff that i like without prudishness or inhibitions.

Porn breaks the establishment and the common, showing women performing explicit sex acts and a lot of different fetishes without any kind of judgment or taboos, being something that, as a porn lover, i really appreciate.

Is uncommon find a woman, outside of porn, enough open minded to do that kind of stuff, mainly they use to feel being judge/not ready or not interested.

As a porn viewer i love, i love how shows and expose these women dressed in the most daring, attractive and irresisitible way. Also how porn demands to the pornstars to show an slutty attitude with a big sexual appetite and begging to perform hardcore sex without squeamishness.

Porn is very important for me and i'm so grateful to can see everything i desire in the way i love. For those thing i wrote, porn is a real bless for me.

[bladblabla2019]

What makes porn good and attractive for me is watch the woman performing the stuff that i like without prudishness or inhibitions.

Porn breaks the establishment and the common, showing women performing explicit sex acts and a lot of different fetishes without any kind of judgment or taboos, being something that, as a porn lover, i really appreciate.

Is uncommon find a woman, outside of porn, enough open minded to do that kind of stuff, mainly they use to feel being judge/not ready or not interested.

As a porn viewer i love, i love how shows and expose these women dressed in the most daring, attractive and irresisitible way. Also how porn demands to the pornstars to show an slutty attitude with a big sexual appetite and begging to perform hardcore sex without squeamishness.

Porn is very important for me and i'm so grateful to can see everything i desire in the way i love. For those thing i wrote, porn is a real bless for me.

That's cool. So what kind of costumes is the best for you? And when you say slutty attitude, what do you mean?

Personally, I love the trashy streetwalker look that used to be popular: stockings, fishnets, stipper shoes, trashy jewellery, and trashy make up. I'm not a fan of the really loud slutty girls - lots of screaming and crazy talk turns me off, but I like eye contact with the camera (Ria Sunn is great for that) and a bit of dirty talk.

[RobJung]

We all obviously watch porn and even feel the need to discuss it at length and in detail, but what the hell is so good about it? It's not just getting to see naked women, surely. So what exactly is it about porn that has you so captivated? No doubt you have many reasons. Do tell:

As for my personal taste, I love to watch young, skinny, fragile, ultra-thin, ultra-slender models being used, outnumbered, and roughed up. Girls with matchstick-thin thighs and arms, having not an ounce of excess body fat. Princesses of the BMI. When you can't decide whether you should be worried that they might break her or just hope for it to happen, these are, for me, the finest moments in porn. If DAP or TAP is involved, I'm happy. It's hot if she can handle it and is going all in, and it's also hot if you can see her really struggeling, pulling herself together and bravely getting through the scene. I find that very inspiring. There are a few other porn preferences that I have developed over the years, but this one stands out at the moment. Can't stand fatties in porn.

[misangrenegra2]

That's cool. So what kind of costumes is the best for you? And when you say slutty attitude, what do you mean?

Personally, I love the trashy streetwalker look that used to be popular: stockings, fishnets, stipper shoes, trashy jewellery, and trashy make up. I'm not a fan of the really loud slutty girls - lots of screaming and crazy talk turns me off, but I like eye contact with the camera (Ria Sunn is great for that) and a bit of dirty talk.

The "slutty attitude" is just how she performs the different sex acts, including the behaviour showed.

And example can be: a woman on knees, smiling while 5 cocks are rubbing her face or being assfucked demand be penetrated more hard. I like this kind of things.

Part of the porn "game" is make the girls showing a behaviour and attitude that the porn viewer expects: One is showing the girl full involved and begging for cocks and be fucked and used to satisfy her slutty appetite and also the guys. Other one is show a clear dominance over the girl, on she shows clear signals of struggle, and she "must" handle the action.

Of course, both ways are consesual for what it is, an adult entertainment. Personally i can enjoy both.

About outfits/dress of the girls:

The vestuary and make-up work is something that i love from porn. Witha sexy and daring outfit or lingerie, they accomplish the full atention of viewer. I like a lot of stuff, not just close for one style.

I can enjoy the classic style with black stockings, heels and gaterbelt as much i enjoy a sexy sport outfit with sneakers or a nurse outfit. I like variety.

[dap-addict]

For the last years I am more interested how these girls do it really, how they cope with the DAP I want from them. Also including what is a fair payment for them etc. It's a deeper look into affairs so to say.

Interesting. And what is it about the porn itself (the image, the vibe, the sucking, fucking and the rest of it) that keeps you coming back?

I swear I'm not trying to psychoanalyse anybody here! Just very curious to see what it is that gets others going, and to see if it matches with my own perspective at all.

You opened a very interesting thread here, bladblabla2019!

I'm very much US and Prague Golden Age 2000-5 defined in my porn preferences. An archetypical scene for me is Gauge's DAP in EA's Weapons of Ass Destruction1 (2002), ie. a really petite (150cm), skinny girl giving completely in but also enjoying it, or at least pretending she does. I refinded those aesthetics by Classical Italian porn with girls dressed more sexily and a more anal friendly approach going for 0% pussy.

Pussy fucking we can all get in our private life. Porn is pure fantasy for me, but it's done by real people feeling real joy and real pain etc, it has thus very well a reality connected.

I dont dig those fake underage pics you posted, I dont like these plays and also not the incest theme, but its tabus and fantasies to sell porn, so it be. I try not to judge what is produced or what others like to watch, but I lobby for what I want produced more. Because my forum experience is that users can change directors focus. I lobbied a lot for more DAP in other forums since about 2000 and was effective in the end.

As for your cumshot pics I enjoy when the girl is kneeling in front of a stud and waiting for his cumshot into her face and mouth, or into her eyes. Call it male supremacy play, but it's just a porn fantasy. There is a history or porn we cant deny. Important however is also how the girl feels doing it, playing her role: Of its okay for her, what's the problem?

I have never looked down on porn girls and I wouldnt call them whores or bitches etc. But again there is a historically grown porn language.

Finally what to do with porn girls having fake-rape fantasies? I've interviewed some of these girl, also talked to them in private and have tried to understand their psychological needs. It's a tabu of porn still. We dont get this produced. And I won't lobby for it. I just want to rise a flag indicating it's not all that black-white and what looks like demeaning women from outside might look different inside.

I might lobby for more passion and more display of lust in porn instead because this I am missing. But first I want more DAP produced again, output has got too low for my needs!

[dap-addict]

Add: One important factor why I come back here and check the Pornbox offerings is I fellow the career of 1-200 porn actresses - some of whom I know personally - and I'm just too curious how they grow. I'm also very interested how rookies cope with the porn sex thrown at them. I know they agreed to do it when takeing the booking, but I also know it's not all that easy on set for them. I want to see the un-planned and authentic footage, those elements which cant be acted 100%. This is the 'look behind' I mentioned in my first post. This is fascinating!
But ofc it has to be a girl I find attractive - and here petite and thin girls catch my interest easier than the other types. I do respect all porn actresses of all shapes, though.

[RobJung]

Finally what to do with porn girls having fake-rape fantasies? I've interviewed some of these girl, also talked to them in private and have tried to understand their psychological needs. It's a tabu of porn still. We dont get this produced. And I won't lobby for it. I just want to rise a flag indicating it's not all that black-white and what looks like demeaning women from outside might look different inside.

There are some BoundGangbangs scenes that are depicting very explicit rape scenarios. By including interviews with the female performers before and after, they make it unambiguously clear that these are fictional scenes that were produced with full consent, but the scenes themselves are pretty intense and immoral. Surely not every viewer will appreciate them and there is good reason for that. A few scenes that come to my mind right now are Jodi Taylor's christian girl scene and also her bar tender fantasy, Princess Donna's rooftop scene, or Chastity Lynn's car-breakdown fantasy. Gang rape fantasies that, for the better or the worse, I will certainly not forget.

Is it okay to be turned on by this? I guess so. It's fiction, and everybody has fantasies, but I may be a bit biased here... My own stance on stuff like this is certainly ambivalent, but moral ambivalence can be a huge turn-on, right? And it's definitely not only men who have explicit rape fantasies, that's for sure.

I do respect all porn actresses of all shapes, though.

You're right, I should rephrase my former comment: I personally get not turned on by overweight performers. But of course there's different body types and different tastes out there, and that's totally okay. I respect every person who contributes to this business which is solely dedicated to our pleasure. They're doing god's work. I just happen to be picky...

[bladblabla2019]

You opened a very interesting thread here, bladblabla2019!

I'm very much US and Prague Golden Age 2000-5 defined in my porn preferences. An archetypical scene for me is Gauge's DAP in EA's Weapons of Ass Destruction1 (2002), ie. a really petite (150cm), skinny girl giving completely in but also enjoying it, or at least pretending she does. I refinded those aesthetics by Classical Italian porn with girls dressed more sexily and a more anal friendly approach going for 0% pussy.

Pussy fucking we can all get in our private life. Porn is pure fantasy for me, but it's done by real people feeling real joy and real pain etc, it has thus very well a reality connected.

I dont dig those fake underage pics you posted, I dont like these plays and also not the incest theme, but its tabus and fantasies to sell porn, so it be. I try not to judge what is produced or what others like to watch, but I lobby for what I want produced more. Because my forum experience is that users can change directors focus. I lobbied a lot for more DAP in other forums since about 2000 and was effective in the end.

We're probably around the same age, because I remember that Gauge scene, shot for Jules Jordan, well. In fact, I actually bought it in DVD from an physical shop - imagine that! She starts off in leopard print bikini, in a cage, with the studs crowding round. She sucks and fucks through the bars, then they take her our for a pounding. During the DAP, her pussy squirts! Awesome.

I love that era of US porn. JJ's scenes especially good for the worship of the chick's body before the fucking, and the fucking was always hard and deep and sleazy but not in an abusive tone. Gauge in the gangbang you mentioned, and Gauge in the sequel in which she's rolled into the room inside a suitcase, then gets fucked to airtight DP. I also like the less 'glamorous' gonzo studios from that era too, like Metro, Lex Drill etc. The girls seemed to be made of stronger stuff back then - there was a lot more verbal during the scenes which you don't hear much these days.

I also loved 2000s era euro stuff - I grew up on Private, Dorcel, and a bit of Mario Salieri. That era had literally beatiful eastern Europena women with gorgeous bodies - curvy WOMAN'S bodies, none of the teenie-bopper aesthetic that Max Hardcore was peddling (even if Dorcel especially was making a lot of 'schoolgirl' themed movies, the girls were obviously just fully developed women in costume). I think we've seen a welcome return to that kind of look with the Vixen network - the girls are much more adult-looking, and there's no trying to be edgy with the age difference.

If I think about it, my US tastes back then - Taylor Rain, Chiquita Lopez, Sasha Grey, Jasmine Lynn, Gauge, Rebeca Linares, Kat Kiss - was all about seeing a young, skinny, slutty chick, not stunningly beautiful, getting down and dirty in some seriously rough scenes - lots of anal, slapping, hairpulling, and verbal degradation - with some seriously sleazy but skillful studs - Ben English, Brandon Iron, John Strong, Mike Stefano, Manuel Ferrara, Steve Holmes, John Dough, Erik Everhard. BUT mys Euro tastes - Silvia Saint, Julie Silver, Ellen Saint, Alessia Romei, Alexa May - were still lots of spitroasting, anal, and DP, but the aesthetic was more about eroticism and beauty (up to a point).

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Finally what to do with porn girls having fake-rape fantasies? I've interviewed some of these girl, also talked to them in private and have tried to understand their psychological needs. It's a tabu of porn still. We dont get this produced. And I won't lobby for it. I just want to rise a flag indicating it's not all that black-white and what looks like demeaning women from outside might look different inside.

There are some BoundGangbangs scenes that are depicting very explicit rape scenarios. By including interviews with the female performers before and after, they make it unambiguously clear that these are fictional scenes that were produced with full consent, but the scenes themselves are pretty intense and immoral. Surely not every viewer will appreciate them and there is good reason for that. A few scenes that come to my mind right now are Jodi Taylor's christian girl scene and also her bar tender fantasy, Princess Donna's rooftop scene, or Chastity Lynn's car-breakdown fantasy. Gang rape fantasies that, for the better or the worse, I will certainly not forget.

Is it okay to be turned on by this? I guess so. It's fiction, and everybody has fantasies, but I may be a bit biased here... My own stance on stuff like this is certainly ambivalent, but moral ambivalence can be a huge turn-on, right? And it's definitely not only men who have explicit rape fantasies, that's for sure.

I do respect all porn actresses of all shapes, though.

You're right, I should rephrase my former comment: I personally get not turned on by overweight performers. But of course there's different body types and different tastes out there, and that's totally okay. I respect every person who contributes to this business which is solely dedicated to our pleasure. They're doing god's work. I just happen to be picky...

You hit the nail on the head with Kink's scenes. The interview before and after makes it clear that it is consensual, and that the chick has chosen her scenario. At the end of the day, some women and some men enjoy the rape fantasy. I think those scenes are intense as fuck, but because they're so niche to the girl who came up with the idea, I don't always like them. The best for me was Skin Diamond's bound gangbang - her body looks so fucking good, and the studs fuck the shit out of her while being verbally dominant (something she obviously enjoys):

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[RobJung]

You hit the nail on the head with Kink's scenes. The interview before and after makes it clear that it is consensual, and that the chick has chosen her scenario. At the end of the day, some women and some men enjoy the rape fantasy. I think those scenes are intense as fuck, but because they're so niche to the girl who came up with the idea, I don't always like them. The best for me was Skin Diamond's bound gangbang - her body looks so fucking good, and the studs fuck the shit out of her while being verbally dominant (something she obviously enjoys)

Oh, thank you for reminding me of Skin's beautiful psych ward scene, this is an all-time classic for sure, mate!

My only problem with Kink studio is that I personally am not into extreme bondage or "tool box BDSM", or torture chambers. Elaborate, artistic knotting techniques rather turn me off, I'm afraid. But I certainly do enjoy some of these simple, dark rape fantasies quickly unfolding like a bad surprise in an everyday setting. Thankfully, Kink offer some scenes with only "mild", basic bondage which is okay for me if it is plausible and realistic within the respective scenario. But no kink shaming, this is just my personal taste.

However, if I may ask, how do you deal with the moral ambivalence of scenarios like these?

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However, if I may ask, how do you deal with the moral ambivalence of scenarios like these?

I watched most boundgangbangs at the time, but with most I had aesthetic problems because I prefer the girls dressed up for sex - with maybe ending up naked. Kink didnt offer this notion. Also I'm not into BDSM, I can tolerate it though if content is right, ie. girl and sex acts. Sex acts were another problem with Kink for me, because I was hunting for DAP since 2000 and they stayed at DP level, typical later US porn. I did like their industrial, dirty looking sites, though.

Now about the moral ambivalence of fake-rape scenes: Their interviews were often not clear enough for me or at least they also could be staged, like the scene itself. Such scenes should have a clear studios stance at the start and the end that rape is the most hideous crime and needs severe punishment. Together with the addition that folks still have rape-fantasies and here all is faked and staged, because the girl wanted it. That all is controlled, that the girl has full control of what happens and can stop the action at every stage.

Anyway, it's a very thin line to walk. I've seen a few Italian fake-rape scenes around 2000 (without these pre- and post statements) and I was completely disgusted, it wasnt arousing at all. Just bad porn, too.

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However, if I may ask, how do you deal with the moral ambivalence of scenarios like these?

I watched most boundgangbangs at the time, but with most I had aesthetic problems because I prefer the girls dressed up for sex - with maybe ending up naked. Kink didnt offer this notion. Also I'm not into BDSM, I can tolerate it though if content is right, ie. girl and sex acts. Sex acts were another problem with Kink for me, because I was hunting for DAP since 2000 and they stayed at DP level, typical later US porn. I did like their industrial, dirty looking sites, though.

Now about the moral ambivalence of fake-rape scenes: Their interviews were often not clear enough for me or at least they also could be staged, like the scene itself. Such scenes should have a clear studios stance at the start and the end that rape is the most hideous crime and needs severe punishment. Together with the addition that folks still have rape-fantasies and here all is faked and staged, because the girl wanted it. That all is controlled, that the girl has full control of what happens and can stop the action at every stage.

Anyway, it's a very thin line to walk. I've seen a few Italian fake-rape scenes around 2000 (without these pre- and post statements) and I was completely disgusted, it wasnt arousing at all. Just bad porn, too.

I agree that the studio could probably make it clearer that the 'rape' aspect is pure fiction and that rape is something that they don't endorse, even if it is implied and the scene is obviously a performance. It's for that reason that I can't stand 'Facial Abuse' or 'Broken Latina Whores' productions or Max Hardcore's scenes. I don't want to see the girl getting literally tortured for a wank - I've seen girls crying in those scenes and while it's probably faked in some cases, there have definitely been times when the girl is crying for real.

I get past the moral ambivalence because for me the rape scenario isn't what interests me and it actually tends to become less of a feature of the scene after the intial grabbing of the girl and once the fucking is underway. The girls usually start showing their appreciation through their moans and groans or with verbal confirmation that they want to be fucked etc. Eventually it's just bondage + gangbang, and that's not a problem. Sometimes I do find it a bit much, like when in a Jessie Rogers scene the studs literally throw and drag her around while switching positions because there's no sex happening, and to me it just looks like violence, but generally it just seems like a gangbang.

The Jessie Rogers scene does have some good fucking in it, though. And I love the difference between how she looks before and after the scene:

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And here's why:

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And here's what I'm not a fan of, even though you can see that Jessie does smile at one point:

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And here's what I'm not a fan of, even though you can see that Jessie does smile at one point

This kink gif shows it's clearly fake-violence. I forgot a bit about kink, but I see now where AGO got his 100% Hell inspiration from. Here I know already first hand from girls working for him that it's all just faked and actually quite gentle in AGO studio with very considerate studs.
It's not my aesthetics, but if I like the girl or there is enough of anal/DAP action I can enjoy these films. But only because I watch only the sex act footage I like, I never watch the whole film.

With Jessie Rogers I see they actually DAP-ed her in that 2013 released kink gangbang with fake-rape theme. I never watched this one. I bet the DAP is short and not worth it. Correct me please, if I'm wrong.

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You hit the nail on the head with Kink's scenes. The interview before and after makes it clear that it is consensual, and that the chick has chosen her scenario. At the end of the day, some women and some men enjoy the rape fantasy. I think those scenes are intense as fuck, but because they're so niche to the girl who came up with the idea, I don't always like them. The best for me was Skin Diamond's bound gangbang - her body looks so fucking good, and the studs fuck the shit out of her while being verbally dominant (something she obviously enjoys)

Oh, thank you for reminding me of Skin's beautiful psych ward scene, this is an all-time classic for sure, mate!

My only problem with Kink studio is that I personally am not into extreme bondage or "tool box BDSM", or torture chambers. Elaborate, artistic knotting techniques rather turn me off, I'm afraid. But I certainly do enjoy some of these simple, dark rape fantasies quickly unfolding like a bad surprise in an everyday setting. Thankfully, Kink offer some scenes with only "mild", basic bondage which is okay for me if it is plausible and realistic within the respective scenario. But no kink shaming, this is just my personal taste.

However, if I may ask, how do you deal with the moral ambivalence of scenarios like these?

What do you think of Fucking Machines, which is also on Kink? Personally, I love the idea and the girls cum hard - there's no faking. That's especially hot when it's girls like Sasha Grey and Tori Black who were loudmouth sluts and overacted a bit much. But my alltime recommendation has to be Goldie Glock - she gets her brains fucked out relentlessy, with vibration and penetration, turns from a pretty young woman into a sweaty wreck, and leaves a little puddle of her cunt juice below her:

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What do you think of Fucking Machines, which is also on Kink? Personally, I love the idea and the girls cum hard - there's no faking. That's especially hot when it's girls like Sasha Grey and Tori Black who were loudmouth sluts and overacted a bit much. But my alltime recommendation has to be Goldie Glock - she gets her brains fucked out relentlessy, with vibration and penetration, turns from a pretty young woman into a sweaty wreck, and leaves a little puddle of her cunt juice below her

Oh, that's an interesting question. I definitely like the idea of fucking machines, on Kink and anywhere else. The seemingly endless, relentless repetition has something almost meditative about it, doesn't it? At the same time, the objectification of a female performer could hardly be more drastically exaggerated than by making her part of a completely impersonal machine. So I'm very much in favor of it, even though I have to admit that I watch such videos from time to time, but not regularly, because I usually find the human component more appealing.

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And here's what I'm not a fan of, even though you can see that Jessie does smile at one point

This kink gif shows it's clearly fake-violence. I forgot a bit about kink, but I see now where AGO got his 100% Hell inspiration from. Here I know already first hand from girls working for him that it's all just faked and actually quite gentle in AGO studio with very considerate studs.
It's not my aesthetics, but if I like the girl or there is enough of anal/DAP action I can enjoy these films. But only because I watch only the sex act footage I like, I never watch the whole film.

With Jessie Rogers I see they actually DAP-ed her in that 2013 released kink gangbang with fake-rape theme. I never watched this one. I bet the DAP is short and not worth it. Correct me please, if I'm wrong.

The DAP is only a small proportion of the fucking but still over a few minutes. I think you should check it out for yourself. Personally, I think it's quite a hot addition to the scene (and I'm not a huge DAP fan) because she clearly gets off on it, goes all quiet and rubs her cunt to cum, and seems totally cock-drunk.

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Boundgangbangs and HardcoreGangbangs have a good core and plays very good some depraved and extreme fantasies focused on extreme male domination and female submission.

It's true that they do an interview before and after the scene, to clarify the consent of the girl/s, that must be the most important thing, later the plots are fine to develope that kind of scene that they site produces: Assaults, punishments, pay of debts, etc..with a lot of humiliation and degradation of the girls than must handle a rough treatment during the scene.

Definetly are plots that play quite close with the limits of morality and integrity of the girls, but if everything is under control and the girl express her full consent of the kind of things of the scene, shouldn't be a problem. Sometimes people wants extreme content but miss a good plot, they really play well with the plots to accomplish that purporse.

Maybe some people could think that those scenes are shooted by men, but the reality is that a lot of them were produced by female directors, anyway, those 2 are a few series of the whole series that the site offers, they have more fetishist series and not focused in gangbangs.

[RobJung]

This kink gif shows it's clearly fake-violence.

I agree that the studio could probably make it clearer that the 'rape' aspect is pure fiction and that rape is something that they don't endorse, even if it is implied and the scene is obviously a performance. It's for that reason that I can't stand 'Facial Abuse' or 'Broken Latina Whores' productions or Max Hardcore's scenes. I don't want to see the girl getting literally tortured for a wank - I've seen girls crying in those scenes and while it's probably faked in some cases, there have definitely been times when the girl is crying for real.

I don't know if 'Broken Latina Whores' or 'Facial Abuse' are about 'fake-violence', too, but the question of moral ambivalence probably arises more clearly here than in obviously fictional scenarios such as those found in Kink. As far as I am concerned, I must admit that I am often turned on by such scenes, provided that I like the models. There's struggle, there's strain, there's stress and distress. I certainly do respect the effort. I find these girls and their endurance inspiring.

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The DAP is only a small proportion of the fucking but still over a few minutes. I think you should check it out for yourself.

Thanks, I'll try to.
If you'd make me a list of other kink DAPs that would be great. As I said I forgot a bit about them.

I post here a gif showing a bit what attracts me about porn and why I come back again and again to check new offerings. But first I have to tell you maybe that porn for me is just a commodity, like morning coffee etc. It's just a good I need. It's neither a hobby nor an addiction, it's just a good of daily need. But this good I produced sustainably and fair.

Anyway, here is a gif I just cut and enjoyed because it shows a porn girl I fellow last few years giving herself in in a controlled porn set frame, there are some slaps in that scene but its an erotic play and no violence. The setting is the old porn story of a girl getting married, but ending in a gangbang with her wedding guests. It's one of these typical tongue-in-cheak porn provocations.

A prone bone transformation from heavy doggy anal to near collapse to very effective no pillow prone bone at the end of a longer DAP session:
AH219: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/4154383

BBC isnt important for me, although it's a nice contrast to Kxttens white skin here. I like her deranged stockings from heavy fucking, but also her clear nods that all is okay and they can carry on. If Kxitten was still 18yo it would add a kink, but her being 25yo is also fine, she could also be 45yo, most important is she's still attractive and DAP-able.