Crowdfunding a scene

[Chimpy.677]

I don't know why they want that here, people on this forum seem to be all morons, I'm sure that if they were to do a crowdfunding scene it would be the same old scenes with the same old actresses doing the same old thing.

They are capable of putting together a crowdfunding scene with an actress they've seen a million times doing the same thing instead of putting together a scene with a model who has never done porn doing her first DP/DAP.

Would you spend 5-10$ to see a new young beautiful actress in DAP scene made by existing studio? Before the scene would be made, let's say 1-2 months before release. Theoretically. Just curious.
Imagine you have a site where you can fund a new actress, her short bio, photo and vote for a studio and style (director).

Obviously I would pay to see a girl who has never done professional porn, that's the idea, it's just that all the sick people on this forum seem to want to see the same actress a million times and on top of that doing the same thing over and over again. You're going to get sick of seeing people asking actresses who have already done a million scenes to bring back the same actress to do the same thing again, it's like they're all imbeciles... instead of asking for beautiful, new and young girls, no, they do the opposite and they're the same fools who later complain that the page wasn't like before, and obviously it wasn't, because they were precisely the ones who contributed to the destruction of the page.

I will always prefer quality over quantity, I prefer a good biweekly or monthly scene than 10 low quality scenes in the same time.

For example, I say that it would be great to bring actresses like the Ukrainian Marichka Glory or at least make the best attempt to bring her. However, the crazy people here are going to ask you to do a zillion Anna De Ville scenes.

[dap-addict]

I don't know why they want that here, people on this forum seem to be all morons, I'm sure that if they were to do a crowdfunding scene it would be the same old scenes with the same old actresses doing the same old thing.

They are capable of putting together a crowdfunding scene with an actress they've seen a million times doing the same thing instead of putting together a scene with a model who has never done porn doing her first DP/DAP.

Would you spend 5-10$ to see a new young beautiful actress in DAP scene made by existing studio? Before the scene would be made, let's say 1-2 months before release. Theoretically. Just curious.
Imagine you have a site where you can fund a new actress, her short bio, photo and vote for a studio and style (director).

Obviously I would pay to see a girl who has never done professional porn, that's the idea (...) For example, I say that it would be great to bring actresses like the Ukrainian Marichka Glory or at least make the best attempt to bring her.

I would actually pay double that price for DAPbreakin'!
With Marichka Glory even close to triple.

But from experience having civilian Ava Harris get DAP-ed I have to tell that its a lot of psychology time invested behind to get such a thing done. It's not only money, but real commitment needed!

[SuperKeksimus]

I would actually pay double that price for DAPbreakin'!
With Marichka Glory even close to triple.

But from experience having civilian Ava Harris get DAP-ed I have to tell that its a lot of psychology time invested behind to get such a thing done. It's not only money, but real commitment needed!

For sure, but Giorgio Grandi said in another thread if he could pay 5000$ to actress for DAP scene we would see really incredible young models.
So the money isn't the only thing but very important as I got.

[Chimpy.677]

I would actually pay double that price for DAPbreakin'!
With Marichka Glory even close to triple.

But from experience having civilian Ava Harris get DAP-ed I have to tell that its a lot of psychology time invested behind to get such a thing done. It's not only money, but real commitment needed!

For sure, but Giorgio Grandi said in another thread if he could pay 5000$ to actress for DAP scene we would see really incredible young models.
So the money isn't the only thing but very important as I got.

It doesn't matter, because people here don't want that, they want to see the same actresses constantly doing the same thing over and over again, and on top of that they only want to see them being urinated on or seeing their vomit and prolapses, which makes the search for new actresses infinitely more restrictive.
I bet you that if the most beautiful woman in the world came to do her first DP without being urinated on or vomiting or prolapses, almost no one would give importance to the scene because here they don't care about women, women here are just an excuse to see the other things they want to see.

[dap-addict]

I would actually pay double that price for DAPbreakin'!
With Marichka Glory even close to triple.

But from experience having civilian Ava Harris get DAP-ed I have to tell that its a lot of psychology time invested behind to get such a thing done. It's not only money, but real commitment needed!

For sure, but Giorgio Grandi said in another thread if he could pay 5000$ to actress for DAP scene we would see really incredible young models.
So the money isn't the only thing but very important as I got.

Of course money is the starting point and main motivation.
But if studios in Prague started to pay 5k for DAP the whole sex act fee system would collapse because all other porn sex acts would become more expensive as well. This would create an end user scene price rise by at least 200%.

If you care about Europorn sustainability buying DAPs as a private investor, studio or crowdfunder pool you have to find the possibly just above lowest fee a girl feels motivated to try DAP. With Ava Harris fee could have been around 30% lower to be still motivating, but we were going with the Prague going fee of early 2021. The higher payment however didnt make her forget her general heavy anal sex fears and her doubts as of whether she can really perform DAP in all needed positions, long enough and in due quality. Here a lot of practical help and psychology was needed. It was hours and hours of background talks invested.
Its simply not that you pay 5000$ and than you just get a reasonably good 18-21y rookie DAPbreakin'!

[SuperKeksimus]

I would actually pay double that price for DAPbreakin'!
With Marichka Glory even close to triple.

But from experience having civilian Ava Harris get DAP-ed I have to tell that its a lot of psychology time invested behind to get such a thing done. It's not only money, but real commitment needed!

For sure, but Giorgio Grandi said in another thread if he could pay 5000$ to actress for DAP scene we would see really incredible young models.
So the money isn't the only thing but very important as I got.

Of course money is the starting point and main motivation.
But if studios in Prague started to pay 5k for DAP the whole sex act fee system would collapse because all other porn sex acts would become more expensive as well. This would create an end user scene price rise by at least 200%.

If you care about Europorn sustainability buying DAPs as a private investor, studio or crowdfunder pool you have to find the possibly just above lowest fee a girl feels motivated to try DAP. With Ava Harris fee could have been around 30% lower to be still motivating, but we were going with the Prague going fee of early 2021. The higher payment however didnt make her forget her general heavy anal sex fears and her doubts as of whether she can really perform DAP in all needed positions, long enough and in due quality. Here a lot of practical help and psychology was needed. It was hours and hours of background talks invested.
Its simply not that you pay 5000$ and than you just get a reasonably good 18-21y rookie DAPbreakin'!

Sorry for late reply, got you! Thanks for your opinion, it's interesting, cause you're kind of insider of the industry, as I understand it!

I totally agree with you, it's not easy, and I just think it's possible (I believe at least) to make this process more easy and more profitable for girls and for fans (I mean involving of new actress and making entrance for them into profession and hard scenes). Maybe a bit of gamification process, some FAQ for new girls, system of awards, de-stigmatazing articles, helping them not only financially, but also with psychologists, for example etc.
I have idea to make a supporting project for this, which will be helpful for everybody - actresses, studios, fans. With voting polls, awards system, another support etc. When I will finish the concept web-site I will post it here for people to test it and to collect some opinions.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I would only help to Crowdfund a scene for an epic return of a big name superstar who has been absent or retired from here for a while.

[kookaburra]

I would only help to Crowdfund a scene for an epic return of a big name superstar who has been absent or retired from here for a while.

Lisa Ann? Man.. I want to see her in LP..

[marcimilan]

Sandra Romain

[kookaburra]

Lisa Ann

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I would only help to Crowdfund a scene for an epic return of a big name superstar who has been absent or retired from here for a while.

Lisa Ann? Man.. I want to see her in LP..

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[hyapet]

And already here we're starting to see the very problems of what I suggested would happen right at the start.

You've got someone like Chimpy.677 who suggests getting an absolutely gorgeous up and coming cam girl who seems to have a willingness for more action and a much darker/hornier side to her.

And then you have someone like Kookaburra, who suggests getting a 60+ year old grandma tanned like she lives on an asteroid passing by the sun, who can cosplay as a political figure that lost relevance more than a decade ago (even though Sarah Palin was smoking hot). It's like - are the (probably) fifty or so gangbangs she's already shot enough for you? Nope. Really need that 51st. I wouldn't be surprised if your next suggestion would be Anne De Ville, because, of course, right?

And there we get to the crux of the problem. As easy it is to find five hundred people who want to crowdfund a scene - it's impossible to find five hundred people of a specific actress who are willing to do the same.

Would I crowdfund a Baby Kxtten BBC TAP? Certainly! Would I probably be the only one? There might be a good 10 or 20 other people who'd be willing to join in, but nowhere near the amount needed to actually get to the finish line.

Would those five hundred people all be willing to fork over good cash to get a girl that 490 of them wouldn't be interested in? Highly unlikely. And while it might be possible to do it once or even twice - by the time the third time rolls around - the 470 people who didn't get their scene up until that point will most likely be going on their way.

This all sounds like a good idea on paper. But - when something that sounds good hasn't been done yet - there's usually a reason.

If you could find five hundred people all willing to fork over a good chunk of change because they all have the exact same taste in girls - then, yeah, it probably would be possible. But, even then, the logistics of it would probably be nightmarish as well. Keeping track of five hundred transactions - making sure those specific people get access to the scene - and then setting everything else up on top of it is a lot of work.

And while you might be willing to pull it off once, or even twice, how many times do you see yourself doing exactly this going into the future? Twenty? A hundred? 'Cause, if so, that's 50,000 transactions to keep track of, and 50,000 people to make sure they get their scene.

Really not the easiest thing to do - necessarily. And then there's mess ups. And then somebody leaks the video online to a Tube site before everyone even gets access to it. Like, man ...

I wish this could work. It sounds great on paper. But, man ...

Reality is full of curveballs. And when you're providing a curated customer experience - that only heightens the risk - and the possibility - of something going wrong (the more details - the more room for error).

I don't want to be the soggy blanket - but - this really might not be as straightforward or as simple as you're hoping it is. I still applaud you for trying - and desiring it - but, I don't want to see you fall into a trap and lose a lot of your time.

[Chimpy.677]

And then you have someone like Kookaburra, who suggests getting a 60+ year old grandma tanned like she lives on an asteroid passing by the sun, who can cosplay as a political figure that lost relevance more than a decade ago (even though Sarah Palin was smoking hot). It's like - are the (probably) fifty or so gangbangs she's already shot enough for you? Nope. Really need that 51st. I wouldn't be surprised if your next suggestion would be Anne De Ville, because, of course, right?[/i][/b]

It's what I always say, the people on this forum have the worst taste I've ever seen, and not only that, but they also make the stupidest decisions possible.
People here prefer a woman who looks like a 1,000-year-old mummy to a young, beautiful girl who looks like a world-class model.
Not only do they prefer to see the same woman doing the same thing they've seen a million times before, it's like they can't get enough of the same thing over and over again. It's incredibly stupid.

And then somebody leaks the video online to a Tube site before everyone even gets access to it. Like, man ...[/i][/b]

There wouldn't be any problems with this, because it wouldn't matter if the video leaked after its release, since to start shooting the scene, you'd first have to reach the proposed goal, and once that's reached, you could start filming. In other words, you'd only be conditioning extra income after the scene's release.

[hyapet]

It's what I always say, the people on this forum have the worst taste I've ever seen, and not only that, but they also make the stupidest decisions possible.
People here prefer a woman who looks like a 1,000-year-old mummy to a young, beautiful girl who looks like a world-class model.
Not only do they prefer to see the same woman doing the same thing they've seen a million times before, it's like they can't get enough of the same thing over and over again. It's incredibly stupid.

Now that you mention it - you're 100% right.

GIO's catalog has some of the most eye-popping girl's you've ever seen in porn before. And it's like they live in a different Universe with the number of times they get mentioned around here. Girl's like Anna Rey, Kiara Gold, and Anastasia Rose simply don't exist. But Alexxxa Vice has a house full of servants here. It's insane.

I detailed in a thread recently the reason why Legalporno going down the pissing route was a big mistake - and gave historical data to prove my point - detailing market shifts over the years and why the adoption of pissing in the overall schematic of things was timed at the worst possible point and dealt the most possible damage. The response from the person I'm talking to?

Too many words. Couldn't read it. Doesn't have that much time to read something that would take, literally, 90 seconds. This is the same person who has enough time to make 1,600+ posts here.

I've met pieces of butter that have more brains and tastes than the people here.

As I said - 100% right.

There wouldn't be any problems with this, because it wouldn't matter if the video leaked after its release, since to start shooting the scene, you'd first have to reach the proposed goal, and once that's reached, you could start filming. In other words, you'd only be conditioning extra income after the scene's release.

Excellent point.

Indeed!

[Chimpy.677]

GIO's catalog has some of the most eye-popping girl's you've ever seen in porn before. And it's like they live in a different Universe with the number of times they get mentioned around here. Girl's like Anna Rey, Kiara Gold, and Anastasia Rose simply don't exist. But Alexxxa Vice has a house full of servants here. It's insane.

I detailed in a thread recently the reason why Legalporno going down the pissing route was a big mistake - and gave historical data to prove my point - detailing market shifts over the years and why the adoption of pissing in the overall schematic of things was timed at the worst possible point and dealt the most possible damage. The response from the person I'm talking to?

I've explained many times why including urine destroyed the site.

Basically, by including urine, what you're doing is turning the site into a niche site. I mean, before, you had all the users in the world looking for traditional hardcore porn as customers. But after including urine, and therefore turning the site into a niche site, the customer base gradually shrank. Over time, not only did they start adding urine to every scene, but they also started vomiting and prolapses, etc., which made the site even more niche, which again narrowed the customer base. In the end, only a handful of weirdos remained, looking for that niche porn that is totally disgusting. And you can see this on the forum: it's always the same; there are almost no new users. Those who were there before left because they find niche porn disgusting now. This also explains the drop in sales and the closure of studios.

Continuing with the above, in order to be able to do those scenes (with urine, prolapses, vomiting, etc.), they would obviously have to lower the quality of the girls, because there would be far fewer girls available to do those scenes. That's also why there are less and less pretty girls and fewer new girls.

Here on the forum, it's always the same people who want to make you believe that the reason there are fewer girls or why there aren't more young and pretty girls is basically OF and the Russia vs. Ukraine war...

And it's totally false. You can see it yourself here. Every time a young and pretty girl comes, she's ignored, but a woman who's done 1,000 DP/DAP scenes comes along, and they're going to go crazy because the same woman does the same thing again, as if they haven't seen enough already.

On the other hand, I have the theory that most of the new users here are homosexual or bisexual, because as I said, you can bring them the most beautiful girl they've ever seen and they'll ignore her. Also, if there isn't a large group of men showing their penises and urinating on her, they'll ignore her too. It's as if they want the scene to be more focused on men than women. I think they use women as an excuse for the scenes, but they're actually interested in men.
And in fact, you can see this because there have already been many transsexual scenes on the page, something that 10 years ago no one would have asked for because it was a heterosexual page, where the most important thing was the woman. That's why before they always brought young and beautiful girls, because they were the center of all attention.

[hyapet]

Everything you say adds up really well to what I noticed happen on the site throughout the past fifteen plus years of visiting here.

It was like - overnight almost - pissing got added. The first time I found it - I was like, "What the fuck is this? This is absolutely gross. Who the fuck would want to watch this?" And then - almost immediately - the knock on effects became apparent.

As pissing begun to get added to more scenes - both the focus and the formula for how to construct a scene changed. Instead of being a thoroughfare, beginning to end, singular journey of a girl arriving sexy and ready to shoot a porn, and leaving barely being able to walk after the fucking of her life ... we now started to get these casual, everyone's having a chat, let's get some props, everyone's standing around for thirty seconds waiting until they can actually go, tepid, slow, disjointed, unsexy, energy-less, boring scenes where the energy was more that of waiting for a train to arrive than actually fucking the girl.

Even worse - the girl was now in on the joke - and she's having a giggle while getting pee'd on - and it's like, again - "What the fuck am I watching ?"

Furthermore - the way you describe it as a "niche" - is, while theoretically correct, it still really misses the real meat of the matter.

The energy between fucking and pissing are inherently at odds with one another. One is about dominance, and power, and the pleasure that can be derived from that. And the other is about humiliation, degradation, and the destruction of dignity that can be derived from that.

It wasn't that they merely changed the flavor to something else - they made something which inherently disgusted ordinary, regular people - and instead replaced it with something that appealed to deranged, moral and ethics free, unhinged psychopaths for whom the pleasure wasn't to be derived from satisfaction, but rather through the close-cousins and first-relatives of hurt and pain.

It wasn't that there was merely a different flavor in the kid's ice cream store - it was that they added alcohol to all the flavors - which sent every reasonable customer who visited said establishment running as far away from it as possible.

Now - as you noted - the reaction here is always, "But sales increased with pissing!" That's the fallacy so many people here provide, without bringing to note all the knock-on effects that both you (in your last post) and me (in this post) have mentioned that destroyed the quality of the product from it's very skeleton to it's clothing.

Where this really comes into play though, but is the true, almost Shakespearean tragedy of it all, is that the timing of the entire endeavor couldn't have been worse.

For the most part - up until 2015, roughly, maybe a little bit before, or a little bit after, porn was essentially the underbelly of the Internet. Finding a genre like Double Anal on the Internet without specifically searching for it was ... very, very unlikely. That went for most porn. All porn was essentially part of it's own little individual eco-system where, if enough people knew about it and supported it, it could survive and even thrive. But it was not this corporatized entity yet.

This was still in the era of Shane Diesel and likewise amateurish-professional productions - where the idea of there being a trailer for a porno coming up was ... well, it didn't exist.

It was right at the end of this era that Legalporno added pissing to it's repertoire. And it was right after this that Internet bandwidth and hosting became cheap and available enough - alongside the camera technology needed to shoot higher definition - that suddenly, the Tube site era was upon us. And what this ultimately did was ...

Bring to everyone's attention what they never knew about before. Suddenly, thousands of videos were lined up and easy to find, from all genres, from all countries, from literally everywhere. Japanese bukkakes besides webcam shows besides Legalporno videos.

And it was here that 95% of the market that was unaware of what Legalporno was - found out that it was this disgusting, dirty site that pissed on girls and enjoyed just being the lowest of the low. Essentially, though, Legalporno were also the only ones shooting double anal videos at the same time. So ... what that essentially did was ...

Lump double anal and double vaginal in with pissing as a whole - making it something that not only automatically turned off most people because of the association - but drove it as far away as possible from being normalized as it could.

Now - instead of everybody having a legitimate hardcore fucking studio that brings beautiful girl's in to get double anal'd - and has a gigantic reach across the Internet as a whole - it became this gonzo freakshow where freaks, self-harmers, and the poor (the actresses) would go to shoot porn because they either hated themselves, they weren't going to make it (beauty wise) in the rest of the industry, or their financial situation left them little other option.

All the knock on effects you mentioned.

And because everybody's introduction to analvids was essentially Pissvids - as everyone on Tube sites would automatically want the longer, uncut movie - the dye had been cast.

Legalporno not only fucked itself right in the ass (ironically), but the genre of double anal porn in general.

By appealing to the psychos that enjoyed piss (the 0.5%) - the sacrificed the other 94.5% of the market that would have discovered and enjoyed the real intense hardcore fuckings they used to give - before everyone was standing around, joking with one another, and spending ten minutes playing in a puddle of urine.

Instead of having gorgeous American pornstars make Legalporno an automatic stop on the tour - you have an increasing range of desperate, anorexic, plastic-filled, ugly, old porn-stars figuring, why not, this is literally their only option left.

And once the Russian imports stopped coming (but even before then) - then the last bit of gas ran through the engine.

If Legalporno would've stayed close to it's origins and kept delivering those scenes - it would be one of the leading porn studios in the world today. Instead, it opted for a small bag of coins provided by some deranged socio/psychopaths, to toxify it's product to the point where it forsook the millions it could have otherwise made.

It would have been the natural next-existing step for the existing North American industry - and instead became a toxic Euro-trash loser hive.

As I said before - tragic.

Hey - but as to what you were saying with regards to the tastes and the brains of the people here - their argument for why pissing was so great for all their studios that, literally, went out of business, is, "Because it made more money."

Like ... for fuck's sakes ...