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What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby Chimpy.677 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:54 am

The traditional porn business seems to be dead, the flow of new young and beautiful models has plummeted, but there is a form of business that could put an end to this and as has been discussed many times here it is related to Crowdfunding, but I am not talking about doing it with AV clients, but rather using clients from other platforms such as OF, Chaturbate, camsoda, CAM4, etc., to finance the scenes of the thousands and thousands of girls that are there.

I think this could work because the great weakness of these pages is that the only good thing they have are the young and beautiful women, but the image quality, shots, male actors, lighting, absolutely everything else is awful, and there are thousands of clients around the world who would like to see their favorite actress from there doing hardcore scenes but those of female models cannot do it because they do not have the infrastructure or experience to film that. And that's where AV studios come in... they could form an alliance by giving their infrastructure (actors, locations, lighting, stage, clothing, cameramen, directors, etc.) and the experience of filming those kinds of scenes.

I'm sure that 99.99% of the men who use those sites would like to see the girls there having DP, DAP scenes and that they would pay and finance the scene to make it happen, but as I said those female models don't have the infrastructure or the experience to do it, but the studios here do.

Keep in mind that one of the best LP/AV actresses, Sofi Smile, before coming to LP/AV was an amateur model from those places...

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby Anselm_Weinberg » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:20 am

jjwhite1985 wrote:I don't like OF, never use it, I don't like the business model and it doesn't work for me as a consumer, but it has basically everything on it, depending on who you sub to, with the exception of the more extreme/niche stuff which is banned, like pee, fisting and prolapse, and that's where platforms like f@nsly, JFF, MV or a multitude of others come in. In fact, some pornstars have even made their first DP/DAP scenes exclusive to their OF. You'll also find most of the top LP girls also have their own platforms, whether it's OF or one or more of the others. It's something that's changed the ENTIRE industry, not just LP, so how you've managed to convince yourself it's got nothing to do with 3rd party platforms and it's all just because LP are making scenes that you, personally, don't like is beyond me.


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I don't have any insight since I've never used that site at all but I trust the author of this quote. So there is in fact already hardcore stuff over there, need to involve another middleman from their perspective.
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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby hyapet » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:27 pm

You gotta remember ...

The girl's beauty will make up 99% of the reason people are there. I've come across cam-girls so mind-meltingly gorgeous that I didn't care I was just watching them sit on a messy bed, with terrible lighting, bad sound, completely dressed, bad posture, and talking to three people in chat about the most inane boring shit.

It didn't matter. They were just so fucking hot.

It didn't matter to all the other folks in there throwing money at her like they were trying to put out a fire.

Does nice scenery matter? Sure. Does a good wardrobe count? Absolutely. Does the girl actually getting fucked take it over the top? Of course!

But none of it matters. If the girl is outrageously hot - she can sit there and just slightly jiggle for three hours while completely dressed and she'll walk away with a few thousand dollars, easy.

Meanwhile, are you telling me that all anorexically cardboard thin completely tattooed worst fake tits in the world 45 year olds that saunter through most studio doors these days are suddenly elevated because of the sets and costumes and male talent?

Please.

I mean - think of it this way. You're going out on a date with the most beautiful girl you've ever seen, right? Does the restaurant you go to matter ... to you ? Does what she's wearing factor in at all with the fact that you want to be there? Is there any detail in the world you're going to be focused on during that date that will matter more than her?

No, right ?

Same goes for porn.

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby Chimpy.677 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:13 pm

hyapet wrote:I mean - think of it this way. You're going out on a date with the most beautiful girl you've ever seen, right? Does the restaurant you go to matter ... to you ? Does what she's wearing factor in at all with the fact that you want to be there? Is there any detail in the world you're going to be focused on during that date that will matter more than her?

No, right ?

Same goes for porn.


This is different, because yes, there are thousands and thousands of men amazed watching a girl doing nothing, but THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE REASON THAT THEY ARE DYING TO SEE HER DOING HARDCORE PORN and as I said, it is something that they know they can't see there because the girls who are there don't have any kind of experience or the infrastructure to do scenes of that type, that's why the studios here would be key because they are people with experience and some already with a reputation that would give them confidence to do that. But the most important thing would be the money that they can make for a single scene, because the men who see that type of women there are capable of disbursing absurd amounts of money if you tell them that they can see their favorite girl in a DP scene. A lot of money moves around in those places and if you promise those people there their dream scene, they are going to invest huge amounts of money for the scene.

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby jjwhite1985 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:33 pm

Chimpy.677 wrote:there are thousands and thousands of men amazed watching a girl doing nothing, but THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE REASON THAT THEY ARE DYING TO SEE HER DOING HARDCORE PORN

I'm interested to know why you're assuming this? The hardcore stuff LP is known for (DP, gangbangs, DAP etc,) is a long way off being the most popular genre of porn.

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby Chimpy.677 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:55 pm

jjwhite1985 wrote:
Chimpy.677 wrote:there are thousands and thousands of men amazed watching a girl doing nothing, but THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE REASON THAT THEY ARE DYING TO SEE HER DOING HARDCORE PORN

I'm interested to know why you're assuming this? The hardcore stuff LP is known for (DP, gangbangs, DAP etc,) is a long way off being the most popular genre of porn.


I say this from years and years of experience going into those sites. Other than that, when I refer to LP/AV I always refer to doing classic DP videos Sineplex or Gonzo style many years ago, those videos are still very popular to this day, many have even become classics of hardcore porn. Clearly you are not going to tell one of those girls there to do scenes like the ones they do now here that are disgusting, with vomit, prolapses and urine since they are niche scenes and are extremely unpopular, plus they won't even think about doing them if you tell them that. That's why I say I always talk about classic AV/LP porn from before to do this.

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Postby jjwhite1985 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:08 pm

Right, but vanilla porn is objectively more popular than hardcore style, whether that's DP, DAP, whatever. That's what I was getting at - I don't know why you'd think that most people who subbed to a girls OF wanted to see them doing hardcore scenes as opposed to what they're already doing.

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby Chimpy.677 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:45 pm

jjwhite1985 wrote:I don't know why you'd think that most people who subbed to a girls OF wanted to see them doing hardcore scenes as opposed to what they're already doing.


I'm telling you in the post, people want to see it but they can't basically because there are no serious sites that offer that anymore, so most people had to settle with watching these girls doing nothing, but if there was a serious place where these girls could film hardcore scenes, obviously everyone would watch them.

Basically, when you go to these sites you resign yourself to only watching softcore porn or amateur hardcore in very poor quality, that's why it's "popular" because it's the only thing there is.

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Postby jjwhite1985 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:56 pm

Feels like we're going in circles here. There just isn't the demand for this style of porn that you think there is. OF is so big because it offers people what they want - that's how any market works. If it were the other way around then one of the many sites that produces hardcore, professionally produced content would be the biggest platform. Like it or not most people prefer that vanilla stuff over the LP stuff you and I prefer. That's what I meant when I said that vanilla porn was more popular than hardcore porn - things like gangbang and DP rarely feature in any lists of top searched porn. The problem with your hypothetical scenario is that most of the people subscibing to these chicks wouldn't have any interest in seeing them perform in a hardcore studio scene.

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby Chimpy.677 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:20 am

jjwhite1985 wrote:Feels like we're going in circles here. There just isn't the demand for this style of porn that you think there is. OF is so big because it offers people what they want - that's how any market works. If it were the other way around then one of the many sites that produces hardcore, professionally produced content would be the biggest platform. Like it or not most people prefer that vanilla stuff over the LP stuff you and I prefer. That's what I meant when I said that vanilla porn was more popular than hardcore porn - things like gangbang and DP rarely feature in any lists of top searched porn. The problem with your hypothetical scenario is that most of the people subscibing to these chicks wouldn't have any interest in seeing them perform in a hardcore studio scene.


Hardcore porn scenes are by far the most expensive to make, you need a lot of men, girls willing to do things that few would do, etc. That's why getting girls with those characteristics is extremely difficult unless you get a lot of money to pay them, which is impossible with the current system. That's why the public just settles for the basics.
With a high price (with the current system) it seems like there's no demand, but if you could lower the price with another system like Crowdfunding, I'm sure that with lower prices the demand would skyrocket. In addition to this, through Crowdfunding you avoid piracy in a certain way by financing the scene in advance, which would be a much greater incentive for everyone in the company.

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby latina-girls-yes » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:15 am

Chimpy.677 wrote:The traditional porn business seems to be dead, the flow of new young and beautiful models has plummeted, but there is a form of business that could put an end to this and as has been discussed many times here it is related to Crowdfunding, but I am not talking about doing it with AV clients, but rather using clients from other platforms such as OF, Chaturbate, camsoda, CAM4, etc., to finance the scenes of the thousands and thousands of girls that are there

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OK, i read your pitch and i think i understand your basic premise (correct me if i am wrong);

what you are suggesting is that instead of the CZ studios doing what they currently do (contact models to arrange shoots, who then come into the studios to shoot what the studio wants them to shoot, the model recevies their fee and the studio then handles the distribution and sales of the content),

the initiative instead comes from the fans rather than the studios, who (in discussion with their model) agree a plan about what they want to shoot, crowdfund the cost of hiring a certain studio, director and production/post-production staff (eg. AVLP) to do this, after which the model shoots their scene at the studio and pays the agreed fee, and (after post-production) the studio delivers the final product to the model to distribute to their crowdfunders

is that it?

the first critical problem i see with that is the human factor, which is really a skills/experience problem

studios know what porn production is, what it *really* entails, how the various elements of production need to be staged in order for the thing to come together, how long every element involved in production *really* takes, what works in front of a camera and what doesn't, how every shoot involves professional decisions, compromises, negotiation throughout the process, as they work to turn any plan into a reality

fans know practically none of this (even though many of them are absolutely convinced they know all of it so much better than the studios themselves). and most OF models will also be no wiser to the process of professional studio reality than the fans (so still effectively clueless)

so unless you believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance, how are they ever going to be able to come up with a realistic, coherent, costed plan for whatever content they want to shoot, to take to the studio?

they won't, so to bridge that experience/skills deficit, you now need to invent an entire new layer of production (with the extra cost that entails) which will function along the lines of 'professional consultancy'
that would involve experienced xxx professionals a client can approach to break a fantasy shoot idea down into a rational costed plan with timings etc in order to have something meaningful you could take to the studio to ask them to shoot

and what happens if/when this fantasy plan the fans and model have about what they want to shoot starts to breakdown on contact with studio reality?
what if the model can't perform what she thought she could perform? or gets embarrassed doing on set things that she only previously tried in the comfort of her bedroom? or has no concept of professional studio behaviour and starts throwing tantrums and trying to tell everyone there what to do?

this last thing a model (with the backing of her crowdfunders) may feel entitled to do, since (under this new system) you have basically inverted the whole authority and experience structure of studio production, giving those with the least skills and experience the power (as the paying client), and demoting the wisest and most experienced people in the room to mere 'service providers' working to deliver on a (probably poorly or vaguely defined) contract

i could go on, but firstly i doubt any random group of fans and an amateur model would ever be up to the demands of taking responsibility for their part in the process and seeing it through to conclusion
and second (the other side of the equation), i *strongly doubt* any profesional studio would ever want the inevitable headaches that would come with engaging with such a treacherous (weak points throughout) scheme
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Postby hyapet » Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:17 am

None of that matters, latina-girls-yes.

None of it. Same reason why Chimpy.677 didn't quote what really mattered when he responded with this:

Chimpy.677 wrote:This is different, because yes, there are thousands and thousands of men amazed watching a girl doing nothing, but THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE REASON THAT THEY ARE DYING TO SEE HER DOING HARDCORE PORN


Guess what - it doesn't matter what the fans want. And why doesn't it matter in these particular scenarios? Because - and now I'll quote the part you didn't address:

hyapet wrote:But none of it matters. If the girl is outrageously hot - she can sit there and just slightly jiggle for three hours while completely dressed and she'll walk away with a few thousand dollars, easy.


Please - explain to me - why a girl who makes money hand over fist doing absolutely fuck all would suddenly decide, hey, you know what? I'm going to start doing some real hardcore porn!

She wouldn't.

She won't.

Which is why the women (now) willing to do this are the ones who couldn't get an audience by doing anything but. Which is why even the most traditional studios are shooting 40 misshapen milfs (who are getting the same rates that the old 18 year old blonde-hair, blue-eyed, DD-bust teens got), and the absolute cream of the crop sites out there that were at the absolute pinnacle of porn? They all share the same (extremely) small handful of models willing to do such acts on camera.

Which explains why Natasha Teen and all the South American studios can still get amazing looking girls. Because the general wealth, security, and networks/infrastructure that's available in the West isn't available to them there. Where the option of a one-time cash pay-out of a couple/few thousand American dollars still pulls weight, and thereby, allows the old system of shooting porn to still exist.

Like - this has all been stated before. But, more importantly, the thing you have to get your head around, Chimpy.677 is that, unlike in the days of yore, it's the models who are in control now. They have their own platform. They're not all lining up to be a part of the record label anymore - they're getting millions of listeners on Spotify.

The real beauties of OF rake in abhorrent amounts of cash. And, if a girl who ===THINKS=== she's pretty (re: all of them) wants to get into the business, she's going to go to the spot where she has to do the least amount of work, talk to the least amount of (greasy) people, and make roughly a thousand times what she would by going through all the extra work and effort.

It's the 7 and 8 out of 10's that are like, "Well, if my beauty alone can't make the cash, maybe I can start branching out into other things ..."

Which is what the problem is. The traditional porn industry is full of 7 and 8 out of 10's. The kind of girl's who would never turn an actual head were they to walk into a room. Your breath isn't being taken away. You look them up and down and are like, "Yeah ..."

Which is exactly where we're already at.

So, no ...

The girl who's on her way to become a millionaire isn't going to suddenly start taking massive black cocks up arse at the same time because the fans already paying her thousands of dollars every day for doing absolutely nothing want her to.

Here's a real quick tip that I think is important for you to figure out, Chimpy.677.

You don't matter.

I don't matter.

The fans don't matter.

We're walking money bags. They see us as nothing more.

If they're getting thousands of dollars for doing fuck all - then honestly - as far as they're concerned - you can take all the fantasies you want to see become reality - write them down on a piece of paper - and throw them in the trash.

Simple as that.

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Postby jjwhite1985 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:03 am

Chimpy.677 wrote:Hardcore porn scenes are by far the most expensive to make, you need a lot of men, girls willing to do things that few would do, etc. That's why getting girls with those characteristics is extremely difficult unless you get a lot of money to pay them, which is impossible with the current system. That's why the public just settles for the basics.
With a high price (with the current system) it seems like there's no demand, but if you could lower the price with another system like Crowdfunding, I'm sure that with lower prices the demand would skyrocket. In addition to this, through Crowdfunding you avoid piracy in a certain way by financing the scene in advance, which would be a much greater incentive for everyone in the company.

Dude it's like you're just talking around me. Re-read the last sentence of the comment you're responding to. Most of the public PREFER that vanilla stuff, it's what they want to see. Or do you think that if only they could be exposed to hardcore porn they'd suddenly realize what they were missing out on? Tastes differ man, LP was never the most popular porn site on the internet because it's never been the most popular style of porn.

Add to that latina-girls-yes and hyapet are both correct. The multiple logistical problems would be impossible to overcome. And, contrary to what many on this forum like to believe, most girls don't actually want to be constantly railed by multiple cocks. It's not for the faint hearted, and with the odd exception, 99% would choose more money for easier work if they had the option.

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Postby dap-addict » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:42 pm

jjwhite1985 wrote:...with the odd exception, 99% would choose more money for easier work if they had the option.

Exactly!
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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

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jjwhite1985 wrote:
Chimpy.677 wrote:Hardcore porn scenes are by far the most expensive to make, you need a lot of men, girls willing to do things that few would do, etc. That's why getting girls with those characteristics is extremely difficult unless you get a lot of money to pay them, which is impossible with the current system. That's why the public just settles for the basics.
With a high price (with the current system) it seems like there's no demand, but if you could lower the price with another system like Crowdfunding, I'm sure that with lower prices the demand would skyrocket. In addition to this, through Crowdfunding you avoid piracy in a certain way by financing the scene in advance, which would be a much greater incentive for everyone in the company.

Dude it's like you're just talking around me. Re-read the last sentence of the comment you're responding to. Most of the public PREFER that vanilla stuff, it's what they want to see./quote]

Man, they just don't have a choice, they don't PREFER it, they are "eating" what they giving to them. If they have only legs in stockings - they will "eat" legs in stockings, if they have only cosplay erotic photos - they will "eat" cosplay erotic photos. It's like a grocery store in late USSR, you can't say that people in USSR is 80s prefer rotten potatoes and tomato juice, that's ONLY options that people can buy back then, so yea, they bought it.
The main thing here is let people choose, which actress should perform, which scene they want to see and which studio should shoot her. If people would like to see the OF girl in vanilla studio, okay, they are paying for it. If people would like to see a girl in DAP performance in AV studio - okay, they are paying for it! The truly revolutionary thing is make connection between models from OF and porn studios AND make the possibility to subscribers (or crowdfunders) to vote in polls, no matter what they will vote for, even for coprophilic content, it doesn't matter.

hyapet wrote:The girl who's on her way to become a millionaire isn't going to suddenly start taking massive black cocks up arse at the same time because the fans already paying her thousands of dollars every day for doing absolutely nothing want her to.

Here's a real quick tip that I think is important for you to figure out, Chimpy.677.

You don't matter.

I don't matter.

The fans don't matter.

We're walking money bags. They see us as nothing more.

If they're getting thousands of dollars for doing fuck all - then honestly - as far as they're concerned - you can take all the fantasies you want to see become reality - write them down on a piece of paper - and throw them in the trash.


Haha, man, most of the OF models makes under 200$ per month, you're talking about peak of the iceberg (source: google OF average income)

Average income of webcam model is 50$ per hour (source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CamGirlProblem ... y_results/ )

If the OF girl maybe won't shoot in a porno, because for her OF is only additional income, but the webcam girl at least will think about it. Because putting dildo inside her body in front of a camera for 50$/hr is much less that she can earn in porn industry, especially in hardcore, where she can earn x20 for the same time.
Yes, maybe she will interact with real dicks instead of dildos and maybe there is will be 2 dicks in one ass instead 1 in vagina, but a lot of girls will choose more money for less hours, I bet. They are already ready for filming, so thats more easy for them to do a step into a porn, compared to other girls, who never had this experience.

The only thing needed for porn revolution is a platform to combine models, studios and users. All of them will be in profit, studios will have more money, model will have more money and users will finally have a right of the vote, and ability to receive content thats they want.

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

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SuperKeksimus wrote:If the OF girl maybe won't shoot in a porno, because for her OF is only additional income, but the webcam girl at least will think about it. Because putting dildo inside her body in front of a camera for 50$/hr is much less that she can earn in porn industry, especially in hardcore, where she can earn x20 for the same time.

No porn girl earns 1000$ per hour even for DAP anymore these days in EU.
They usually work 3h per day and cant work more, unless 2nd scene the same day is really a very soft one.

OF and Cam pays less for sure but they can work as many hours a day they want and they dont loose time traveling. Just consider pros and cons with real instead of fantasy numbers! ;)
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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

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dap-addict wrote:
SuperKeksimus wrote:If the OF girl maybe won't shoot in a porno, because for her OF is only additional income, but the webcam girl at least will think about it. Because putting dildo inside her body in front of a camera for 50$/hr is much less that she can earn in porn industry, especially in hardcore, where she can earn x20 for the same time.

No porn girl earns 1000$ per hour even for DAP anymore these days in EU.
They usually work 3h per day and cant work more, unless 2nd scene the same day is really a very soft one.

OF and Cam pays less for sure but they can work as many hours a day they want and they dont loose time traveling. Just consider pros and cons with real instead of fantasy numbers! ;)


Do you want to say that's an actress earning less than 3000$ for DAP scene? lol
Literally, almost any 20yo girl can earn for this at least 5000$ with crowdfunding, because on our planet exist absolutely more than 5000 men who want to pay 1$ just to see how young ass of a girl banged with 2 cocks in the same time. And to this amount of money almost no ceiling - the really pretty girl can do a million of $ for this performance, because entrance for crowdfunding could be not 1$ but 5 for example, or even more.
If we are talking about subscribition-to-studio model, a lot of guys would subscribe to model or for studio if they will make a content for them as they expecting. But studios should make a voting poll, they should letting the users to choose, to be involved in a process, because now all porn studios just making what they want and showing it to people, it's old-styled model, it's like television, this model has no feedback, we need to move from TV to Internet.
Sure, OF and webcam are more flexible but there is huge competitiveness and it's not easy to work as a webcam model, it's 50$ per hour and you don't need to travel somewhere, but it's boring and time consuming even more than porn.
For example to earn 5000$ average girl needs to lay on a bed with dildo in her hand for 100 hours! That's awful. To earn the same amount of money in crowdfunding model she needs to film only for 3 hours + travelling and makeup, let's say 5 days in total in the worst case (2 days for travelling, one day for shooting and 2 days to rest after travelling and after shooting). And this is in the most modest variant, I believe by crowdfunding they will earn much more than 5000$ for DAP scene. And, of course, girls could shoot in few scenes per travel, as they do it now. So, in the crowdfunding model, they will earn 20000$-30000$ for 2 weeks, for example, and, I want to say again, it's most modest prediction, because there is no ceiling of money in crowdfunding. If 10000 of persons wants to see 100 mens creampie prolapsing ass of Rebel Rhyder one after another in a row, and willing to pay for this performance 5$ each, would you say it's impossible? I wouldn't say. It's 50.000$, huge amount of money for a lot of girls. Literally crowdfunding could hire top models for it and force them to drink cum of hundreds of men or receive a lot of creampies, or doing something else. I asked Kira Thorn once in email about this idea of massive creampie and she said she wouldn't mind to perform it for much less money.

As a person, who are really know porn industry (I believe by your posts you are) could you evaluate the weak sides of my following idea?
1. Studios receiving girls for free. They only paying travelling costs, production and makeup for girl and payments for studs. And they can sell created material on their websites as usual (to users, who didn't participate in crowdfunding). They literally saving a lot of money and getting the best and most hot girls, chosen by community.
2. Users participating in the voting polls, choosing girls, choosing studio (director), choosing fetishes.
3. An actress should choose during the registration process in which types of performances she would participate and with who they wants to work.
The platform of crowdfunding should pays the girl AFTER the scene is complete, the platform is checking all fetishes and scene in general, this is very responsible process and they should receive for this let's say 5% from the total amount of collected sum, because it's also work, and platform needs to pay for hosting and working hours of it's team.
If the money are collected but scene didn't came out for some reason - all users who participated in crowdfunding will receive their money back. There is should be a list of rules for models, users and studios and also agreement between them (on a platform) and the crowdfunding platform should take responsibility for this and take care for reputation.

I see only one cons here: if this platform would popular it could kill traditional porn system, because it could offer much more money to girls and noone willing to do a DAP for 3000$ anymore. Also it could kill some hardcore fetishes or rising the price of it to the moon, for example 100.000$ for DAP performance or something like this.

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby jjwhite1985 » Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:27 pm

SuperKeksimus wrote:Haha, man, most of the OF models makes under 200$ per month, you're talking about peak of the iceberg (source: google OF average income)

Average income of webcam model is 50$ per hour (source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CamGirlProblem ... y_results/ )

If the OF girl maybe won't shoot in a porno, because for her OF is only additional income, but the webcam girl at least will think about it. Because putting dildo inside her body in front of a camera for 50$/hr is much less that she can earn in porn industry, especially in hardcore, where she can earn x20 for the same time.
Yes, maybe she will interact with real dicks instead of dildos and maybe there is will be 2 dicks in one ass instead 1 in vagina, but a lot of girls will choose more money for less hours, I bet. They are already ready for filming, so thats more easy for them to do a step into a porn, compared to other girls, who never had this experience.

The only thing needed for porn revolution is a platform to combine models, studios and users. All of them will be in profit, studios will have more money, model will have more money and users will finally have a right of the vote, and ability to receive content thats they want.

There are nearly 5m creators on OF and a huge number of them are part-timers who post a few bikini/nude pics a month but have otherwise normal live and day jobs, which is why the 'average' is low. The performers who treat it as a full time job will be earning *significantly* more, and those with even a little online name recognition and marketing sense easily make a fortune.

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby SuperKeksimus » Sun Jan 26, 2025 10:04 pm

jjwhite1985 wrote:
SuperKeksimus wrote:Haha, man, most of the OF models makes under 200$ per month, you're talking about peak of the iceberg (source: google OF average income)

Average income of webcam model is 50$ per hour (source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CamGirlProblem ... y_results/ )

If the OF girl maybe won't shoot in a porno, because for her OF is only additional income, but the webcam girl at least will think about it. Because putting dildo inside her body in front of a camera for 50$/hr is much less that she can earn in porn industry, especially in hardcore, where she can earn x20 for the same time.
Yes, maybe she will interact with real dicks instead of dildos and maybe there is will be 2 dicks in one ass instead 1 in vagina, but a lot of girls will choose more money for less hours, I bet. They are already ready for filming, so thats more easy for them to do a step into a porn, compared to other girls, who never had this experience.

The only thing needed for porn revolution is a platform to combine models, studios and users. All of them will be in profit, studios will have more money, model will have more money and users will finally have a right of the vote, and ability to receive content thats they want.

There are nearly 5m creators on OF and a huge number of them are part-timers who post a few bikini/nude pics a month but have otherwise normal live and day jobs, which is why the 'average' is low. The performers who treat it as a full time job will be earning *significantly* more, and those with even a little online name recognition and marketing sense easily make a fortune.


True, but my suggested crowdfunding model could be absolutely different because actress will know the amount of money they will receive BEFORE the shooting of the scene, they would literally see the amount of ALREADY collected money.
In OF they making random content firstly, hoping to get millions from it, but on average they have 200$ per month, and in crowdfunding they will know the exact amount of money and what they need to do to get it.
Transparency and honesty, dude

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Re: What do you think about this new business model for porn?

Postby xxxVIPERxxx » Sun Jan 26, 2025 10:51 pm

hyapet wrote:You gotta remember ...

The girl's beauty will make up 99% of the reason people are there.


For some casual customers, I guess half decent looks are the reason why they are on PB/LPAV.
However, for more hardcore fans/serious paying customers...as long as the girl is a 6 or 7 out of 10 in terms of natural looks.
It is actually the girls' performance, and abilities that are more crucial. Girls can be styled, glamourised, and wear the right lingerie and high heels to make them look a lot more glamourous.


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