dap-addict wrote:This is really turning into an anti-porn rant!
If we agree on free market economy and freedom of individual choice wouldn't it be better to let the peer groups like churches and teenage crisis hotlines etc advise young women against porn
while at the same time respecting their right of free choice instead of supporting states to take arbitrary and hypocrite legal steps against legal porn productions, firms of a free market economy?
Also you seem to mix porn and prostitution and largely exaggerate negative effects on relationships, features typical for anti-porn campaigners.
Finally porn is a meaningful employment, too!
Me discussing why
others find legitimate issues with porn does not equate to my post turning into an "anti-porn rant." Much like when the FBI discusses the ways in which drugs are entering the country, somebody at that table isn't typically stupid enough to then retort with, "So, you support the import of cocaine, huh?" It's like ... no. I'm just merely saying how it gets into the country.
Here's the thing, though. When people flaunt their naked body as their trade - and everyone gets comfortable with the idea that that person is okay with it - suddenly the walls and barriers for "asking them if they want to fuck you for money" aren't really raised that high. In fact - as can be seen in
plenty of the discussions on this board - lots of the actresses have side gigs in prostitution. Does that mean they're "technically related?" No. But - that's like saying there's nothing directly related between a McDonalds opening up in a small town and then everyone that lives there suddenly turning fat.
It goes beyond porn, though. Look at the girls on IG. How many girls post fully NON-nude photos there - just for folks who have lots of money say - "Hey - want to go on a ride on my boat?" Many girl's are going to be like, "Uhh ... who are you?" to the ones they don't find to be 10/10s in their eyes. And when that non 10/10 opens a briefcase of cash - suddenly ... a lot of girls are taking boat-rides and giving rides for cash. Sounds like prostitution to me.
Finally - if you're relying on the "free-market economy" to win your side of the argument - you're simply going to lose. Not because you're wrong - but because hearts and minds aren't won over by the "free-market of selling your pussy online." They're won by families getting torn apart - by young women getting into dangerous addiction cycles and then posting viral videos of it on YT and the Tik - and by people seeing performers who are made to
look as young as absolutely possible taking amounts of dick so huge, no
single man (who isn't built like a tree) could ever satisfy her again.
These arguments are winners - because when people hear them, they feel like they would be an absolute kleenex and hand-sanitizing basement wanking loser to argue for the other side of things. Especially when that argument has the words "free-market economy" in it.
Truth is though, the majority of the Western and Eastern worlds have been turned into pretty much these hand-crankers. That's why nobody's really pointing any fingers. Because, how do you point the finger at half the world. At that point, it goes beyond being somebody's "personal problem" and enters the territory of being "something fundamentally wrong with modern society itself."
No dude, in his right mind, in a loving and satisfying relationship, would ever figure he wants to open up the web and look at porn. Why would he? He's got the real thing right there. The real thing which would, almost guaranteed, end immediately if he was caught doing such a thing. So ...
The issues go deep. Down to the very essence of what makes us a society. If by bringing these things up you feel that I'm "picking a side" - then, I suggest you veer your arguments away from that, seeing as it will prevent you from engaging in an interesting and cohesive manner (re: making arguments that have to do with the facts - rather than my
perceived personal biases.
m_sicas_Candido wrote:Although I don't doubt that there are studios that shoot gangbang scenes with 18 or 19 year old girls, I say that this is complete madness and a bold gamble. This is like ordering a newly qualified and inexperienced doctor to perform a heart transplant! I mean, a lot can go wrong. I think that the producers that do this - which I resort to calling professionals - don't survive for long these days; it is unethical; It's playing irresponsibly with the lives of such young people. The AV studios experts in gangbangs (these are really professionals) at least shoot their content with girls who are already sufficiently trained to manage it, no one is fooled; everyone is well aware of their choices.
Now, every job requires a necessary vocation. The thing about being a porn star is about managing the exposure that is generated as a result of the activity itself. I'm sure the AV girls have already learned how to deal with this.
Let's be real - while the training required to do these scenes is indeed real - it's not something that requires a two year College degree or anything. Outside of being flexible and learning how to control one's weight and communicate well, not to mention loosening their holes up (and even that's not required), then pretty much
anybody can get through the porn pipeline should they even display the smallest amount of interest in doing so.
Definitely though, the complexity of some of the tougher shots does require somebody that is fully cognizant of what they're doing and what should be done, but it should never be considered as some
barrier to entry. Somebody wants to shoot those scenes - those scenes will most likely be getting shot within a couple of weeks - unless the actress is physically incapable of spreading her legs or doing some light gymnastic work.
Ordinary every day girls with a couple of large dildos and a tube of lube could probably get most of the way through what's required on their own if they just experiment and stay consistent with it. Obviously that would require some natural talent - but, again - the barrier to entry is not some high-bar that only a select few can pass over or anything like that.
As for their exposure - sure - their lives will change afterwards. But, in ways that might not be fully recognized at the time of the act itself. Any girl that's pretty much ever shot porn before
ever can have, through an ordinary photograph of them, the entire Internet scrawled for their face. If you've ever been in those videos - they will be up there
forever and
everyone you ever meet going forward will be able to find out
super easily.That means all potential employers and prospective romantic partners can take, literally,
fifteen seconds to find out you shot porn. And they can do this
for free.This wasn't something that was around all the past years when people shot porn, figuring, "Man, the odds of people finding out about this are
very low." It went from
very low to
fifteen seconds pretty quickly.
So, sure. They might get "trained on how to handle it." Life itself will train them on how to handle it. But they will soon recognize that, unlike the lawyer, teacher, or even ordinary actor - whenever
anybody will look at them in the future - the first and foremost thing they'll see is a dick receptacle - and not just that, but somebody's who's
absolutely fine with that.That - no word of a lie - for almost
anyone (who isn't a psychopath) is
extremely exhausting. Especially when that's for a
life time.jzabel19471964 wrote:Many great points. The bottom line is that I agree with you that the porn of 5 years ago is dead. No longer are incredibly hot 18-22 females lining up in droves to shoot scenes for mainstream porn studios. The quality of American porn has especially declined and is much more vanilla than in the past. This is very unfortunate in my view, but the new norm.
Giorgio Grandi said it the best on this very forum. The act of fucking isn't the main draw anymore for people. It's the act of being recognized as a human being.
That's how far men have fallen in society. Where most recognize and realize, fully well, that they'll never be acknowledged or needed as a man or as a person by a woman
ever. And their greatest fantasy is no longer to go out on a date and bang the cheerleader. That kind of objective is so far outside of the bounds of reality that they cannot even imagine it anymore. Never mind the cheerleader, just,
anybody really. They're happy with just having their presence verified and being addressed in a manner that doesn't paint them to be either a loser or a threat.
That's why they line up in droves to talk to some dude in India that's pretending to be the eighteen year old that's dancing in front of the screen - with
all of her clothes on - and paying
absolutely ridiculous amounts of money to do so at the same time.
The fantasy of "banging a woman" has become so far out of reach for
so many that the idea of watching a girl getting banged and pretending you're "that guy" has been replaced with getting off merely at the idea of a girl
pretending - fucking pretending that they're just talking to you.
Giorgio really nailed it.
Men are typically interested in porn. Boys are typically interested in OF.
And if the market hasn't described, to a large part, who is the majority out there is, then the actresses lining up to the old-school studios, as we both noted, certainly have.