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Caveman39 wrote:

evil-pineapples wrote:^^ Thanks for the German lesson, Caveman39, but does anyone know what the fuck "JBEEEEEEAM!" meant?

Pleasure.
As to "JBEEEEEEAM!" I don't recall that term. When exactly does he say this? While doing what or when what happens? It's been a while since I've seen a jyl classic (you have a link where he says that?). Anyway, perhaps, he calls for booze. Jim Beam.

He would say it instead of "KUCKMAL" in some of his movies. I do not know the reason why.

Kuckmal???

So I am lazy and dont feel like reading through this thread....

What the hell is Kuckmal?

Is this a dude, a lady, or what?

teammelee15 wrote:Kuckmal???

So I am lazy and dont feel like reading through this thread....

What the hell is Kuckmal?

Is this a dude, a lady, or what?

I am lazy and don´t feel like answering your question...

I really miss JYLC and kuckmal!! The Assman and Debauchery movies were legendary. There should always be wide gapes, there was never any disgusting prolapse, just wide gapes!!

Also, a 5 woman scene is way too many, there should always be 1 or 2(at most) if doing side by side kuckmal! The most important position is the reverse cowgirl position, with the guy holding her legs up while the woman spreads her asscheeks wide after hard anal fucking for the world to see her gape. There has always been too little of that here!

teammelee15 wrote:Kuckmal???

So I am lazy and dont feel like reading through this thread....

What the hell is Kuckmal?

Is this a dude, a lady, or what?

Wow, literally ONE page of a thread to read that you cant be bothered with. Typical for you.

Wotan29 wrote:Five of the best Kuckmals of all time (in no particular order):

Vivienne La Roche
Sandra Romain
Lynn Stone
Kerstin Niemann
Laura Angel (rare Doggy Kuckmal)

And Vika?

Vika was one of my favourites. Very pretty, very nasty and one of the greatest gapes of all time -OF ALL TIME

trevor11569 wrote:

Wotan29 wrote:Five of the best Kuckmals of all time (in no particular order):

Vivienne La Roche
Sandra Romain
Lynn Stone
Kerstin Niemann
Laura Angel (rare Doggy Kuckmal)

And Vika?

Vika aka Pamela, the Ukrainian honey?
Rather early Cineplex,not JYL really.
That Vika?

dap-addict wrote:Vika aka Pamela, the Ukrainian honey?
Rather early Cineplex,not JYL really.
That Vika?

Although it is a Clark movie for EA, Euro Hardball 25 has an excellent example of Vika/Pamela. Technically not Kuckmal but JYL was anchoring and tunnelling her out while Clark filmed. Very nice to see.

My favorite kuckmal is still Vivienne Laroche in Euro Girls Never Say No. It was not the first one I ever saw. It was not the biggest gape I ever saw. It was not even the best camera work. However, the interaction is what makes it so special to me. JYL is fucking Vivienne and Manuel takes control of the camera, and then JYL teaches Manuel how to do the kuckmal right in the middle of the scene. Vivienne opens for him and you can hear the excitement in Manuel's voice, and then she talks about it and does the countdown herself a few times.

There's something very sexy about that little interaction for me. It's still one of my favorite scenes from porn history.

evil-pineapples wrote:My favorite kuckmal is still Vivienne Laroche in Euro Girls Never Say No. It was not the first one I ever saw. It was not the biggest gape I ever saw. It was not even the best camera work. However, the interaction is what makes it so special to me. JYL is fucking Vivienne and Manuel takes control of the camera, and then JYL teaches Manuel how to do the kuckmal right in the middle of the scene. Vivienne opens for him and you can hear the excitement in Manuel's voice, and then she talks about it and does the countdown herself a few times.

There's something very sexy about that little interaction for me. It's still one of my favorite scenes from porn history.

Vivienne is definitely a Hall of Famer in my book. She had a sweetness to her that belied her ability to take dick deep in her anal canal. It was hypnotizing. .

evil-pineapples wrote:My favorite kuckmal is still Vivienne Laroche in Euro Girls Never Say No. It was not the first one I ever saw. It was not the biggest gape I ever saw. It was not even the best camera work. However, the interaction is what makes it so special to me. JYL is fucking Vivienne and Manuel takes control of the camera, and then JYL teaches Manuel how to do the kuckmal right in the middle of the scene. Vivienne opens for him and you can hear the excitement in Manuel's voice, and then she talks about it and does the countdown herself a few times.

There's something very sexy about that little interaction for me. It's still one of my favorite scenes from porn history.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I have watched that scene a few times on EvilAngel and loved it for the very reason you describe. I think what's amazing about it is that Vivienne's enthusiasm and willingness to indulge our gape perversions. Love when she is doing the countdown herself.

cyberhog59 wrote:

dap-addict wrote:Vika aka Pamela, the Ukrainian honey?
Rather early Cineplex,not JYL really.
That Vika?

Although it is a Clark movie for EA, Euro Hardball 25 has an excellent example of Vika/Pamela. Technically not Kuckmal but JYL was anchoring and tunnelling her out while Clark filmed. Very nice to see.

I was referring to her outdoor scene in Christoph's beautiful girls 17. It's a technically proper kuckmal with the Sun shining into Vika's well-gaped ass. The gangbang scene in Euroangels Hardball 25 is also great.

PrinceOfGapes wrote:

evil-pineapples wrote:My favorite kuckmal is still Vivienne Laroche in Euro Girls Never Say No. It was not the first one I ever saw. It was not the biggest gape I ever saw. It was not even the best camera work. However, the interaction is what makes it so special to me. JYL is fucking Vivienne and Manuel takes control of the camera, and then JYL teaches Manuel how to do the kuckmal right in the middle of the scene. Vivienne opens for him and you can hear the excitement in Manuel's voice, and then she talks about it and does the countdown herself a few times.

There's something very sexy about that little interaction for me. It's still one of my favorite scenes from porn history.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I have watched that scene a few times on EvilAngel and loved it for the very reason you describe. I think what's amazing about it is that Vivienne's enthusiasm and willingness to indulge our gape perversions. Love when she is doing the countdown herself.

Since when is PXP/RLD on EA online?
We are talking about EGNSN1, scene nr. 3, Vivienne Laroche with Jean-Yves Le Castel, Steve Holmes.

I remember Vivienne's DAP and her gapes, but not that Manuel Ferrara part. Haven't watched that scene for about 10 years!
Have to re-do it.
VivLR is cult!

dap-addict wrote:

PrinceOfGapes wrote:

evil-pineapples wrote:My favorite kuckmal is still Vivienne Laroche in Euro Girls Never Say No. It was not the first one I ever saw. It was not the biggest gape I ever saw. It was not even the best camera work. However, the interaction is what makes it so special to me. JYL is fucking Vivienne and Manuel takes control of the camera, and then JYL teaches Manuel how to do the kuckmal right in the middle of the scene. Vivienne opens for him and you can hear the excitement in Manuel's voice, and then she talks about it and does the countdown herself a few times.

There's something very sexy about that little interaction for me. It's still one of my favorite scenes from porn history.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I have watched that scene a few times on EvilAngel and loved it for the very reason you describe. I think what's amazing about it is that Vivienne's enthusiasm and willingness to indulge our gape perversions. Love when she is doing the countdown herself.

Since when is PXP/RLD on EA online?
We are talking about EGNSN1, scene nr. 3, Vivienne Laroche with Jean-Yves Le Castel, Steve Holmes.

I remember Vivienne's DAP and her gapes, but not that Manuel Ferrara part. Haven't watched that scene for about 10 years!
Have to re-do it.
VivLR is cult!

It is on EA, they have a bunch of older scenes directed by Steve Holmes. Don't take my word for it and look it up on Evil Angel online website. I can't seem to post link to that website here.

Great scene, should consider rewatching.

evil-pineapples wrote:My favorite kuckmal is still Vivienne Laroche in Euro Girls Never Say No. It was not the first one I ever saw. It was not the biggest gape I ever saw. It was not even the best camera work. However, the interaction is what makes it so special to me. JYL is fucking Vivienne and Manuel takes control of the camera, and then JYL teaches Manuel how to do the kuckmal right in the middle of the scene. Vivienne opens for him and you can hear the excitement in Manuel's voice, and then she talks about it and does the countdown herself a few times.

There's something very sexy about that little interaction for me. It's still one of my favorite scenes from porn history.

That's my favourite scene too. I fucking love it

,,,and for those of us obsessed with licking girls asses, JYL does it very well!

slo85 wrote:

evil-pineapples wrote:My favorite kuckmal is still Vivienne Laroche in Euro Girls Never Say No. It was not the first one I ever saw. It was not the biggest gape I ever saw. It was not even the best camera work. However, the interaction is what makes it so special to me. JYL is fucking Vivienne and Manuel takes control of the camera, and then JYL teaches Manuel how to do the kuckmal right in the middle of the scene. Vivienne opens for him and you can hear the excitement in Manuel's voice, and then she talks about it and does the countdown herself a few times.

There's something very sexy about that little interaction for me. It's still one of my favorite scenes from porn history.

That's my favourite scene too. I fucking love it

Didnt re-watch it yet, but after so many postings I think I finally remember that scene:
Isnt it the one where Steve Holmes and Manuel Ferrara meet up in Bp and decide to go visit JYL for a short chat before starting their own work.
When they arrive at his place, JYL has just started to film Vivienne LaRoche still dressed. Steve is very impressed by the new JYL girls, thus JYL passes the camera to Manuel and takes on to Viv. LaR together with Steve. They soon dap her, she likes it very much, than JYL still also feeling his director role wants her to show her post-DAP gape and instructs Manuel how to film that kuckmal.
Is it that scene?


If so, ABSOLUTE super class porn!
Really now miss those tongue -in-cheek times!

Would be nice if GIO could for once set up such a joke!

OK so like Angel Eyes, I had not heard the term Kuckmal either but I LOVE this move. Apologies, haha. I'll add more stills to this thread when I come across them. Love when the girl's face is in the background while she's showing off a spectacular gape.

This Aletta Ocean shot comes to mind...

Ready to spend $$$ on this content!

EvilPineapple’s enthusiasm for barefeet & kuckmal a few years back got me into it!

Le Castel’s Anabolic lines were the holy grail to this.

LP does a wonderful job showing barefeet/soles in Reverse Cowgirl, with kuckmal.
That’s if they want to show it off.

They tease minds, big time!
But they’re fucken amazing when they fulfill a kuckmal barefeet/soles scene for the fetish lovers!

justinwarren41 wrote:This Aletta Ocean shot comes to mind...

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Thats very close, its not the classical JYL kuckmal, though:
JYL would have the studs keep her legs back and Aleta spreading her butt cheeks with her nicely groomed hands.
Gape would thus be even a bit bigger, view more interesting especially with red or other fancy fingernails.

... also that's not Aletta Ocean.

Yep, looks like Aleta Black actually.

shark1 wrote:I really miss JYLC and kuckmal!! The Assman and Debauchery movies were legendary. There should always be wide gapes, there was never any disgusting prolapse, just wide gapes!!

For JYL fans it really pays to also check his earlier works he shot originally for German and Italian studios - Weltklasse Arsche and a few other titles I have to look up first again - as well as Italian Torero (FM Video).

cf.
check from MMV (Germany)
Ferkel
Klein Arschloch
Konig der Arschficker
Anal Projekt
Anal Traume

all of them end1990ties.
Cult Kuckmals!

And also a classic Vivienne LaRoche kuckmal shot much later for German label Erotic Planet.

Caveman39 wrote:

evil-pineapples wrote:^^ Thanks for the German lesson, Caveman39, but does anyone know what the fuck "JBEEEEEEAM!" meant?

Pleasure.
As to "JBEEEEEEAM!" I don't recall that term. When exactly does he say this? While doing what or when what happens? It's been a while since I've seen a jyl classic (you have a link where he says that?). Anyway, perhaps, he calls for booze. Jim Beam.

U KNOW WHAT IZ JBEAM? ZJBEAMMMMMMM! WHOOPPLAAAAH!!!!

Yep Kuckmal and JYL was the stuff. I hope some day we see a proper return of kuckmal. Giorgio does this stuff sometimes very good in his scenes.

Also it is really hard to find the Early JYL stuff before he started to shoot of USA studios.

tron777 wrote:

Caveman39 wrote:

evil-pineapples wrote:^^ Thanks for the German lesson, Caveman39, but does anyone know what the fuck "JBEEEEEEAM!" meant?

Pleasure.
As to "JBEEEEEEAM!" I don't recall that term. When exactly does he say this? While doing what or when what happens? It's been a while since I've seen a jyl classic (you have a link where he says that?). Anyway, perhaps, he calls for booze. Jim Beam.

U KNOW WHAT IZ JBEAM? ZJBEAMMMMMMM! WHOOPPLAAAAH!!!!

He had some funny scene intros, too.

https://youtu.be/4xWauZMbVqw

I haven't seen all the latest LegalPorno scenes, so I don't know if they did more scenes with some nice Kuckmal-Action. The scenes I have checked didn't have any Kuckmal at all... so is there really a Kuckmal-Revival or was it just in one scene? I really hope they will do more Classic Kuckmal Shots!!

cheers

Legendary Angelina Crow - One of my favorite Kuckmals

It’s fucking hot to look at but I don’t really get this fascination with the term. It’s not like the act supposedly described by the term ever went away. To each their own I guess.

First I'd like to say I've been reading this forum for many years already but this is my first (official) post ever! KUCKMAL is very powerful to the point of turning me into a LP fan that finally takes the first step toward posting on the LP forums. I respect many of you who have participated in this thread. I always learn and amuse myself with your posts. It's an honor to join the great for a conversation about porn. I've been a porn fan since very young (won't say age because I dunno if it's against the rules or something) and I also know quite a great deal about it.



Now, as for the original subject: Return of Kuckmal... I was away on a business trip and just today I had the chance to catch up with LP scenes. When I read "return of kuckmal" I was like: whaaaat? At the same time my porn brain knew what I could expect and I bought it right away!


The scene itself, well, not that awesome. But I'm gonna reply to some of your messages first and then I'll give my opinion at the end.

greenfunk727 wrote:The Kuckmal is to anal porn what the Mona Lisa is to paintings - A fucking Classic!


As much as I love the LP philosophy of more is more sometimes I miss the simplicity of things like the Kuckmal. LP has really pushed things forward with regard to anal porn - who would’ve thought back in the 90s that you could get a model to do an hour long scene of 0% Pussy and only DAP with 7 guys. We are living in the anal porn fantasy land thanks to LP.




However, I would really like to see more Kuckmal in scenes from all studios. During a scene like a 7on1 DAP gangbang I would really like to see a section of the scene where we get a kuckmal part.




Jean-Yves Le Castel’s signature move - The Kuckmal - How to perform the legendary manoeuvre:




1. Perform in Reverse Cow girl position
2. Get the model to pull her own cheeks apart, the guy pulls her legs back
3. Model keeps eye contact with the camera
4. Camera doesn’t zoom in for extreme close up. I want to see the whole model not just the gape
5. You don’t need to say “kuckmal”
6. Bonus points if the model can trash talk/dirty talk while performing




Fellow perverts please share your thoughts?
Giorgio, Luis, XXX, Joachim and Models active in the forum any input from the creators of art please feel free to comment.

I could never have said it better. Kuckmal is a fucking classic. Classics should never go away! But as a classic, it gotta be respected and done right. Bad kuckmal is disrespectful to viewers and to the creators of it.


Also I think that one of the constraints of getting a girl back then to do an hour long DAP has more to do with the tech format available at the time: you couldn't have an hour long scene in a tape considering we expected to watch at least 5 scenes in one VHS/DVD. But I believe in LeCastel's abilty and power to have found a girl that would do an hour long scene with the same dedication as today's starlets. I bet Sandra Romain would have taken on the challenge had she been given the chance.


Your description for 'how to perform kuckmal' is textbook perfect.

PrinceOfGapes wrote:I love kuckmal. The best part of the kuckmal is that it's girl who takes initiative and pulls her own cheeks apart and shows her gape. It just extra nasty, and shows her enthusiasm.




If the girl can dirty talk while doing it even better. It's like look ma, look how much my asshole gapes when I am getting fucked.

Exactly! Especially in LeCastel's videos where most girls seemed to be having fun and loving the debauchery. So much better than many porn these days where the girl just takes like a sex doll.

evil-pineapples wrote:I know a lot about this Kuckmal style, and if I shoot it myself, I can get it perfect just like Lecastel used to do. In a few of his old scenes, he would even pause to give the instructions to his camera man, so he left behind a helpful guide for the future generation!

Same here. I could revive it and help turn into a movement!

And, a pvt confession: I've "played" kuckmal in real life with some gfs and they laughed a lot . All of them called me a perv too but --- LOL!

lpfan777 wrote:ZJBEAMMMMMMMMMMMMM! ALLLEEE HOP KUCKMALLL!!!! (WHEEE!) OPLAH!

JBeEeEeEeEeEeEAAAAAMMMMMMM!!!!

asenalx wrote:As one of the biggest Kuckmal Fans in history, i love the idea of a new Kuckmal-Movement!! OP explained the approach of doing the Kuckmal in a perfect way. The Kuckmal and especially the JYL-Movies were the reason why I got anal gape addicted. And I really support the idea of dirty talk with a funny and humorous touch! But I also love to see scenes where the girl is saying KUCKMAL or BEAM... that shows that the girl really enjoys showing her open well fucked asshole to the crowd!




+1000 for more classic Kuckmal-Gaping

SAME FUCKING THING WITH ME: kuckmal made me a gape addict. As you very well observed, kuckmal was not about gapes only but also about a fun, humorous touch. I remember several movies with funny intros ( "oh David, oh Jean Pierre, tell people at home what time iz it" , "it's time for JBEEEEAM!" LOL! ) and even some with segments with graphics of "bean" written on the corner of the screen (properly misspelled since it was probably edited by an American who transcribed exactly as it sounded) . JBeam/Kuckmal made the viewer feel like he was in on the "joke" . It's fucking great!


Count me in for a new Kuckmal-Movement!

Jocke wrote:Why not a kuckmal competition and LP customers voting?

Fucking awesome idea!!!

trevor11569 wrote: +10000000




Kuckmal got me addicted to buttholes, gapes, and hard ass fucking. I've spent a fortune (read $500) trying to collect every JYLC scene with nice kuckmals and jbeams. Kuckmal, at least in part, defines who I am today. Kuckmal must come back. With fat cocks and big fat booties.

Agreed 100% . My money will also be invested in a properly done kuckmal comeback since, like you, I also spent hundreds (or was it thousands?) on JYLC DVDs.

trevor11569 wrote:

evil-pineapples wrote:I know a lot about this Kuckmal style, and if I shoot it myself, I can get it perfect just like Lecastel used to do. In a few of his old scenes, he would even pause to give the instructions to his camera man, so he left behind a helpful guide for the future generation!

Exactly! And I loved when he used to ask the camera guy, 'iz eet OPAIN?' after pulling the girl's legs back. AWESOME!

LOL! I loved that shit too! It's like he was asking us at home.

asenalx wrote:If there are still some people who don't know what Kuckmal is, just goggle "asenalx kuckmal" . I've made some nice Kuckmal-Music-Compilations



(edit: had to remove pic of my reply wouldn't go through)

Damn! Asenalx!!! So nice to see you're on here, bro! I'm such a fan of yours and your PMVs! Never realized you commented on the LP Forums but thinking of it now, it's only natural that you would since LP is the bomb! So cool, man! I have several of your edits in my tube's queues. Props to you, dude.

Caveman39 wrote:

Angel Eyes wrote:Thanks guys! I appreciate the education. Been a porn fan for decades ... just goes to prove there are still things to discover (which is a good thing)

You have a clue what it means, but nobody really explains it textually. I suppose no Germans here.

"Kuckmal"----> should be written in proper German as two words: "guck mal" .
"Gucken" is a German verb and colloquial (idiom/slang); rarely the alternative spelling "kucken" is used.
"Gucken" means : to look. "Mal" means "once" or like "one time" .
So if you translate it it says: "Have a look (at this/or that)". I suppose JYL used this word in his movies a lot when a girl made a gape with her anus, he zooms in at the anus and face, and says "guck mal", which is directed to both himself as a "surprise" about the gape size the girl shows the cam/him, as well directed to the viewers at home who are shaking their dick ..... "have a look at this, guys"! Und jetzt spritzen. Now cum!

(edited)

Hahaha! Exactly! JYLC had a great knowledge of porn audience and especially his viewers. It's exactly that: when I'm looking at a "kuckmal / jbeam gape" I'm definitely "shaking [my] dick (as I often am when watching other porn as well) . That's the way it ought be and JYLC always knew it .

Caveman39 wrote:

evil-pineapples wrote:^^ Thanks for the German lesson, Caveman39, but does anyone know what the fuck "JBEEEEEEAM!" meant?

Pleasure.
As to "JBEEEEEEAM!" I don't recall that term. When exactly does he say this? While doing what or when what happens? It's been a while since I've seen a jyl classic (you have a link where he says that?). Anyway, perhaps, he calls for booze. Jim Beam.

I'm surprised Caveman39 never heard jbeam in JYLC movies because the term/expression took over after a while and even replaced kuckmal in the last films/series .

Different people have said that jbeam is jbeam in every language - LOL - which pretty much is ' ass wide open ' But how it came to be ... who knows?!!! I've seen old hardcore LeCastel fans saying writing it "CH'BEAM = JBEAM" but no one ever explained the origins of the word . There's videos of JYLC on YouTube " explaining " it to girls but all he says and does is a hand gesture of a gaped asshole while saying " jbeeeeam "

How it come to be is probably something stupid. JYLC himself said those things were created as inside jokes. Although you guys have already explained kuckmal perfectly, here's the explanation in the words of the master of kuckmal himself:


"hi,
to answer to your question, I have to tell you that like always, this kind of event happens because of something stupid.


I was in germany, and while fucking a girl in reverse cowgirl anal, I began to be fed up of the cameraman who was not attentive at all . Suddenly I stopped fucking while grabbing the girl under the knees with my left hand, and with the other hand I was taking my dick out of the ass while shouting : " hey, kuck mal hier ! " wich means in english : "hey , look at that !" .
The cameraman was shocked , but immediately he began to shoot properly .
It is only after the scene that I could see what I did. Since then I never stopped. "


This was taken from AdultDVDTalk forum. JYLC used to frequent it and answer fans. And as you can see, he said it just sorta happened because of something stupid.


Still many of us know "jbeeeeeam" and if you, like me, have friends that talk porn with you, I bet you can say that out loud and get them to laugh while most people around will be clueless as to what's going on. It always cracks me up! LOL!

tron777 wrote: edited


U KNOW WHAT IZ JBEAM? ZJBEAMMMMMMM! WHOOPPLAAAAH!!!!

LMFAO! You're awesome and fucking funny! That's exacly it: whooooplaaaah jBeeeeeeAAaAaM!

shark1 wrote:I really miss JYLC and kuckmal!! The Assman and Debauchery movies were legendary. There should always be wide gapes, there was never any disgusting prolapse, just wide gapes!!



Also, a 5 woman scene is way too many, there should always be 1 or 2 (at most) if doing side by side kuckmal! The most important position is the reverse cowgirl position, with the guy holding her legs up while the woman spreads her asscheeks wide after hard anal fucking for the world to see her gape. There has always been too little of that here!

Very well put: I enjoy the wide gapes too but I'm often put off by prolapse.

asenalx wrote:I haven't seen all the latest LegalPorno scenes, so I don't know if they did more scenes with some nice Kuckmal-Action. The scenes I have checked didn't have any Kuckmal at all ,,, so is there really a Kuckmal-Revival or was it just in one scene? I really hope they will do more Classic Kuckmal Shots!!

cheers

I'm hoping for the same, brother!



-------


As for the LP scene Return of Kuckmal, I love the boldness and initiative of bringing it back but I had hoped the performers and director had studied the style. Most of them were not even born or of age when Kuckmal was a thing and it only proves that we are porn connoisseurs and not necessarily the people working in the business. It all just sounded forced and artificial with mostly the annoying Mike screaming "kuckmal" when no kuckmal was happening for real. They should have sent the videos to the pornstars instead of just telling them what kuckmal is supposed to be/look . They first should have tried to invite JYLC to come out of retirement for a LP kuckmal series . If he declined they could at least do what I already suggested : study. Other people could have helped them too : David Perry, Andrew Youngman and Steve Holmes. And it's not just about gapes but it is also about humor and having a laugh as some of you guys brought it up. With all that in mind, its hard to give a positive feedback other than encourage them to keep on trying. I remember a couple of years ago watching a scene with a french girl and in the middle of it one of the guys - I think it was Ian Scott - said : jbeam! And the other dude laughed and said jbeam was for a different studio.

I am ready to throw my dollars at LP if more kuckmal comes up in the future, but I will wait for you guys to give me an opinion about the "investment" . If I oughta pay to watch kuckmal, I'd rather complete my JYLC collection than buy something that is not real kuckmal .


PS - I had to edit some of the entries I replied to because the I was getting error notice saying I could not post links.

Kuckmal-Jbeam wrote:Now, as for the original subject: Return of Kuckmal... I was away on a business trip and just today I had the chance to catch up with LP scenes.

Same to me exactly!
And still catching up. Also missed this post. But what a GREAT post, written with so much care and deep porn knowledge, not just blabla I want her and her and this and that.

Kuckmal-Jbeam wrote:JYLC himself said those things were created as inside jokes. Although you guys have already explained kuckmal perfectly, here's the explanation in the words of the master of kuckmal himself:

"hi,
to answer to your question, I have to tell you that like always, this kind of event happens because of something stupid.

I was in germany, and while fucking a girl in reverse cowgirl anal, I began to be fed up of the cameraman who was not attentive at all . Suddenly I stopped fucking while grabbing the girl under the knees with my left hand, and with the other hand I was taking my dick out of the ass while shouting : " hey, kuck mal hier ! " wich means in english : "hey , look at that !" .
The cameraman was shocked , but immediately he began to shoot properly .
It is only after the scene that I could see what I did. Since then I never stopped. "

This was taken from AdultDVDTalk forum. JYLC used to frequent it and answer fans.

Missed that than, too!
Great to read the MASTER here now!

Kuckmal-Jbeam wrote:As for the LP scene Return of Kuckmal, I love the boldness and initiative of bringing it back but I had hoped the performers and director had studied the style.

Sadly yes, you are right.
Still, lets not complain but rather motivate!
The most important about JYL beam/kuckmal you mention is that fun factor, that lightness he had in his scene, laughter and smiles, also with the girls often.


This let us fans first commonly just think:
Who of the current LP directors could best re-play some JYL style kuckmals?
Did he already shoot such scenes? How close they come to the original in their beam/kuckmal style part? 50%? 30%? Less?
Which current LP talent has shown she could understand what kuckmal is about? Is there a girl holding her butt cheeks apart showing proudly her gape?

I'm glad my post has been well received by obvious connoisseurs (fucking gape perverts! (myself included))

However, I will have to disagree with dap-addict the number one factor is not FUN but big fucking GAPES. Amen

Kuckmal is what got a lot of people in to anal porn gapes etc but times change and things evolve. The scene has come along way from JYL creation and rightly things do move forward. JYL is obviously been a big influence on anal porn and by extension LP.

I don't want LP to rehash what JYL did in the past but push things forward. Kuckmal/gaping in general can slow down the fucking action so a scene shouldn't all be about Kuckmal or gaping. However, parts of a scene should be dedicated to making big gapes, taking the time to show off and appreciate a big gape. This may require a bit more editing to a scene but I think it would really ultimately contribute to a better product/scene.

What do other forum members think about parts of a scene being dedicated to really showing off big gapes? Would you buy a scene that specifically focused on big gapes?

dap-addict wrote: (edit)
Same to me exactly!
And still catching up. Also missed this post. But what a GREAT post, written with so much care and deep porn knowledge, not just blabla I want her and her and this and that.


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Sadly yes, you are right.
Still, lets not complain but rather motivate!
The most important about JYL beam/kuckmal you mention is that fun factor, that lightness he had in his scene, laughter and smiles, also with the girls often.


This let us fans first commonly just think:
Who of the current LP directors could best re-play some JYL style kuckmals?
Did he already shoot such scenes? How close they come to the original in their beam/kuckmal style part? 50%? 30%? Less?
Which current LP talent has shown she could understand what kuckmal is about? Is there a girl holding her butt cheeks apart showing proudly her gape?

Thank you for complimenting my comment. I love porn. I think any of the LP directors could bring back the proper kuckmal. They just need to study the legacy of JYLC. Apart from the things I relayed in my original post I have not seen anything else on LP that is kuckmal related. I think the crew of "Return of Kuckmal" deserves A+ for initiative but they haven't even achieved a 10% of the original JYLC days. I wonder: should we contact the directors and ask them to consider making a kuckmal series?

greenfunk727 wrote:I'm glad my post has been well received by obvious connoisseurs (fucking gape perverts! (myself included))

However, I will have to disagree with dap-addict the number one factor is not FUN but big fucking GAPES. Amen

Hmm... I somewhat disagree with your statement. Is it about GAPES? Hell yes! 100%. But the vibe in those videos were about fun and never about degrading or hurting women. JYLC himself would always say: firzt dee vazeline... never forget dee vaziline guyz, you dont wanna hurt dee girlz... Golden age of anal gapes!

greenfunk727 wrote:Kuckmal is what got a lot of people in to anal porn gapes etc but times change and things evolve. The scene has come along way from JYL creation and rightly things do move forward. JYL is obviously been a big influence on anal porn and by extension LP.

I don't want LP to rehash what JYL did in the past but push things forward. Kuckmal/gaping in general can slow down the fucking action so a scene shouldn't all be about Kuckmal or gaping. However, parts of a scene should be dedicated to making big gapes, taking the time to show off and appreciate a big gape. This may require a bit more editing to a scene but I think it would really ultimately contribute to a better product/scene.

What do other forum members think about parts of a scene being dedicated to really showing off big gapes? Would you buy a scene that specifically focused on big gapes?

I'm surprised. Considering you started this thread I'd assume you were nostalgic for JBEAM! LOL!!

I don't think LP needs to rehash or remake "Assman", but they could always feature a kuckmal when the girl's asshole is really loose and ready for a close up. That's easy to be done. Guys just need to do a countdown or just go straight to jbeam. Directors just need to be creative about it. It doesn't need to stop the action for kuckmal. It can be built into the action seamlessly.

I think that anyone here that likes anal likes gapes (gapes and not prolapse - totally different things btw). Big gapes sell porn a lot.

Kuckmal-Jbeam wrote:Is it about GAPES? Hell yes! 100%. But the vibe in those videos were about fun and never about degrading or hurting women. JYLC himself would always say: firzt dee vazeline... never forget dee vaziline guyz, you dont wanna hurt dee girlz... Golden age of anal gapes!
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I don't think LP needs to rehash or remake "Assman", but they could always feature a kuckmal when the girl's asshole is really loose and ready for a close up. That's easy to be done. Guys just need to do a countdown or just go straight to jbeam. Directors just need to be creative about it. It doesn't need to stop the action for kuckmal. It can be built into the action seamlessly.

I think the core to understand is that JYL really loved the women he was working with, he really cared and he was a character putting himself into set showing he is caring and he is really trying to make things easier on set instead of giving them a hard time.

For me the big change to the worse in Europorn came with that barking early Piter times Sineplex director yelling his commands on the girls how to to move, how to look, how to fuck etc. Of course there is always instruction needed but I am talking about that tone. That command tone, that attitude I pay you and now you perform for me exactly what I want from you.
JYL would never do that! He'd rather joke, rather smile, rather make a polite allusion etc.
And look how effective he was!
Not only at GAPES...

Its really an art and an attitude and intuition.
I see it sometimes a bit with Giorgio Grandi goofing around on his sets...
But it happens so seldom lately.

^ You're right, and Rocco is one of the few directors working today who understands this. The performers are human beings. They respond better and give you a more genuine performance if you treat them like human beings.

Anna de ville and Alex Harper part 1 had kuckmal and they sounded adorable saying it.