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A pay to comment function would be great ! I could use my 0.2 available credits to pay to comment since my "unlimited" credits I PAID for were stolen by LP and replaced w/ 11.6 credits to compensate for the "inconvenience".

I can understand why the ended the unlimited scheme and, the fact they offered a refund notwithstanding, it seems a bit mean to only give you 11 tickets.
Would be interested to know why you got so few.

sirnoelplum wrote:I can understand why the ended the unlimited scheme and, the fact they offered a refund notwithstanding, it seems a bit mean to only give you 11 tickets.
Would be interested to know why you got so few.

11.6, way better than plain 11 !

"IMPORTANT: for various reason we had to discontinue your membership type. Your account has been automatically converted to standard membership. We added 11.6 extra tickets to your account for the inconvenience."

I don't know, let's ask them.

Hey, why did you give me so few tickets when you made the grandiose change ?

Thanks !

bundeswehr wrote:

sirnoelplum wrote:We added 11.6 extra tickets to your account for the inconvenience.

Those were EXTRA tickets, that went ON TOP of what was converted.

That's right you received tickets based on the time left in your membership PLUS those extra tickets.

Is this true Bundeswehr, are you falsely misrepresenting what happened here?

sirnoelplum wrote:Is this true Bundeswehr, are you falsely misrepresenting what happened here?

I had unlimited tickets for the double membership I paid for. Honestly, I did not bother to count, I was happy to w/ the arrangement and was planning to renew and would have paid more within reason.

Then, suddenly, the change (a clear breach of contract in my opinion). Was it a material change to switch the unlimited tickets to 11.6 or 40-50 as they mention ? Yes.
Was I consulted in advance ? No. Just a one sided change from LP.

Was it an inconvenience ? Yes, even LP acknowledges that. Breaking a contract is usually an inconvenience for the party that is being damaged. As far as I understand American law making a material change in a contract without the written consent of both parties is a breach of contract. There is no implied consent, it has to be clearly written and agreed. LP is great on legalese with all the Pornbox garbage setup, read on this little tidbit above.

"A change in the meaning or language of a legal document, such as a contract, deed, lease, or Commercial Paper, that is made by one party to the document without the consent of the other after it has been signed or completed.

Material Changes

The alteration of an instrument materially changes it. The document no longer reflects the terms that the parties originally intended to serve as the basis of their legal obligation to each other. To be material, the change must affect an important part of the instrument and the rights of the parties to it. Any material alteration relieves the nonconsenting party of any obligation to perform according to the terms of the instrument. If the altered instrument is a contract, then the original contract is void. The nonconsenting party cannot be legally obligated by the new contract since he or she never agreed to it. A document that has been materially altered does not regain its original validity if it is restored to its original form by erasing or deleting unauthorized words.

Bait and Switch
A deceptive sales technique that involves advertising a low-priced item to attract customers to a store, then persuading them to buy more expensive goods by failing to have a sufficient supply of the advertised item on hand or by disparaging its quality.

bait and switch n. a dishonest sales practice in which a business advertises a bargain price for an item in order to draw customers into the store and then tells the prospective buyer that the advertised item is of poor quality or no longer available and attempts to switch the customer to a more expensive product.

This practice is illegal in many states under their Consumer Protection laws."



Why am I misrepresenting it in your opinion ? Those are the EXACT words LP put in the crappy message when LP made the change, acknowledging it is a "inconvenience" and without agreement from me ! Who is misrepresenting it ??

"IMPORTANT: for various reason we had to discontinue your membership type. Your account has been automatically converted to standard membership. We added 11.6 extra tickets to your account for the inconvenience."

LP's words, not mine.

1. LP, please restore my access to the previous levels as it was in the original contract until Jan 25th, 2014
2. Please advise who your registered agent and for GTFlix (as an accessory to the scheme) is if I have to bring a lawsuit against your company on grounds of breach of contract and bait and switch. (noted as GTFLIX TV S.R.O, Jesinova 2832/26, Praha 3 - Zizkov 130 00, Czech Republic)

Thank you.

If at the end of it your account was removed and they gave you 11.6 tickets and 11.6 tickets only, thenyou were not misrepresenting. If you received more tickets then things were notas you made out.

Not quite sure why you are quoting me american law, as opposed to bangladeshi law or fijian law etc? The USA is a marvellous nation but its laws are not applicable 'world laws'. However, I agree, that LP breached the contracts they had had with us, which was why they offered a refund.
What are you asking for? All parties agree a contractual obligation was unilaterally amended. Maybe if you took them to court the court would find in your favour and demand they refund you - a bit like they have offered to!

At least they have admitted what they have done. Evil Angel (famedollars, i think, on their behalf) unilaterally ended my rolling £10 a month deal and then just shrugged their shoulders when i complained (despite being told a year before i was permanently grandfatheted in to the deal).
You need to make a decision and move on m8. With EA i decided to never put another penny in their pockets ever again. I found LP's actions more understandable and done more openly and i have put any resentment to bed.

sirnoelplum wrote:If at the end of it your account was removed and they gave you 11.6 tickets and 11.6 tickets only, thenyou were not misrepresenting. If you received more tickets then things were notas you made out.

Not quite sure why you are quoting me american law, as opposed to bangladeshi law or fijian law etc? The USA is a marvellous nation but its laws are not applicable 'world laws'. However, I agree, that LP breached the contracts they had had with us, which was why they offered a refund.
What are you asking for? All parties agree a contractual obligation was unilaterally amended. Maybe if you took them to court the court would find in your favour and demand they refund you - a bit like they have offered to!

At least they have admitted what they have done. Evil Angel (famedollars, i think, on their behalf) unilaterally ended my rolling £10 a month deal and then just shrugged their shoulders when i complained (despite being told a year before i was permanently grandfatheted in to the deal).
You need to make a decision and move on m8. With EA i decided to never put another penny in their pockets ever again. I found LP's actions more understandable and done more openly and i have put any resentment to bed.

In general, when one party breaks a contract offering a refund is not sufficient in the eyes of the court, punitive damages are assessed to discourage the practice.

Would you feel comfortable if you bought a house as a good deal and the bank would feel free to kick you out after you have lived there for a while, "refund" your purchase price and sell the house at a higher price to another individual ?

Agreeing that something is wrong does not allow the individual or legal entity to do the wrong action nor absolve the individual or legal entity of the consequences of such action in front of the law.

I am based in the US, a suit would have to be brought here to barr LP to offer services in the US if they break US laws and assess fines based on American law (as stipulated between US and EU agreements and LP/GTFlix seems to be EU based). I have won similar lawsuits against service providers that feel they can change contracts at will and trample on customers. Fair warning.

Fix the issue please.

Awful analogy. Once you have completed on the purchase of the house the contract has finished. Prior to completion either party can back out.
My mobile phone company reserve the right to end my 18 month contract early, should they so wish. That seems a much more apt analogy.
Maybe you can get LP banned from offering memberships in the US: knock yourself out!

sirnoelplum wrote:Awful analogy. Once you have completed on the purchase of the house the contract has finished. Prior to completion either party can back out.
My mobile phone company reserve the right to end my 18 month contract early, should they so wish. That seems a much more apt analogy.
Maybe you can get LP banned from offering memberships in the US: knock yourself out!

Really ? A 30 year long mortgage contract ends once you have purchased the house ? I should tell that to my bank and see how well they agree to that.

You have lost me now Bundeswehr. When you buy a house the contract is with the seller, not the bank. A mortgage is a loan secured with a property. You still own the property : it is your property (though ofc you can be liable to forfeit it as an asset if you cannot service the any such loans secured on it).

sirnoelplum wrote:You have lost me now Bundeswehr. When you buy a house the contract is with the seller, not the bank. A mortgage is a loan secured with a property. You still own the property : it is your property (though ofc you can be liable to forfeit it as an asset if you cannot service the any such loans secured on it).

How is the loan between me and the bank described ? In a contract. The bank cannot change or cancel the loan whenever they like just because they changed their mind and decided they do not make enough money on the deal.

bundeswehr wrote:

sirnoelplum wrote:You have lost me now Bundeswehr. When you buy a house the contract is with the seller, not the bank. A mortgage is a loan secured with a property. You still own the property : it is your property (though ofc you can be liable to forfeit it as an asset if you cannot service the any such loans secured on it).

How is the loan between me and the bank described ? In a contract. The bank cannot change or cancel the loan whenever they like just because they changed their mind and decided they do not make enough money on the deal.

here is a sample just from 2 banks:

4. The Bank reserves the right to change the Agreement and notices applicable to the use of the Site and reserves the right to modify any features of any products or services offered by the Bank on the Site and any information found on the Site. The User is responsible for regularly reviewing the terms and conditions. Continued use of the Site after any such changes shall constitute the consent of the User to such changes.

5. The User agrees and confirms to the Bank that the User is using the Bank’s Internet Service at his/her own risk and responsibility. The User shall be fully responsible and accountable for the confidentiality of his/her PIN.

6. The Bank reserves the right to refuse, for any reason whatsoever: (a) to provide electronic banking service to a User; and (b) any electronic banking Instructions or inquiries received from a User.

7. The User shall be charged such fees (for subscription to, and maintenance and utilization of, the Bank’s various electronic banking services) as the Bank may prescribe from time to time. The Bank reserves the right to modify such fees at any time, and shall notify the User accordingly in the event of any such modification. The User hereby authorizes the Bank to debit any of the User’s accounts with the Bank (or such specific account as the User may, from time to time, specify in writing) for any such charges.

PC_82 wrote:

bundeswehr wrote:

sirnoelplum wrote:You have lost me now Bundeswehr. When you buy a house the contract is with the seller, not the bank. A mortgage is a loan secured with a property. You still own the property : it is your property (though ofc you can be liable to forfeit it as an asset if you cannot service the any such loans secured on it).

How is the loan between me and the bank described ? In a contract. The bank cannot change or cancel the loan whenever they like just because they changed their mind and decided they do not make enough money on the deal.

here is a sample just from 2 banks:

4. The Bank reserves the right to change the Agreement and notices applicable to the use of the Site and reserves the right to modify any features of any products or services offered by the Bank on the Site and any information found on the Site. The User is responsible for regularly reviewing the terms and conditions. Continued use of the Site after any such changes shall constitute the consent of the User to such changes.

5. The User agrees and confirms to the Bank that the User is using the Bank’s Internet Service at his/her own risk and responsibility. The User shall be fully responsible and accountable for the confidentiality of his/her PIN.

6. The Bank reserves the right to refuse, for any reason whatsoever: (a) to provide electronic banking service to a User; and (b) any electronic banking Instructions or inquiries received from a User.

7. The User shall be charged such fees (for subscription to, and maintenance and utilization of, the Bank’s various electronic banking services) as the Bank may prescribe from time to time. The Bank reserves the right to modify such fees at any time, and shall notify the User accordingly in the event of any such modification. The User hereby authorizes the Bank to debit any of the User’s accounts with the Bank (or such specific account as the User may, from time to time, specify in writing) for any such charges.

Nationwide Bank reserves the right to withdraw this offer at any time.
Citizens Bank reserves the right to modify or discontinue these benefits at any time.

ALL BANKS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CANCEL, CHANGE, ADJUST, MODIFY FEES OR INTEREST RATES

"ALL BANKS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CANCEL, CHANGE, ADJUST, MODIFY FEES OR INTEREST RATES"

For sure, on fixed interest rates. You are quite funny with the twists of trying to defend changing a contract after the fact.