Jocke wrote:...is anyone in Russia actually going to believe him?
Or, NATO invading Ukraine, lol!
same shit as when Hitler's guys attacked a German border patrol with Polish uniforms. Are we living in the 1930's?
Think how much better off the Russian people would be if they had friendly relations with neighbors instead of having this dictator with Soviet nostalgia?
robin_reid wrote:I guess you guys know who is Klaus Schwab and his WEF, well in old spechs he mentioned favourably “world leaders” like Trudeau, Macron etc and including Putin as well. So all the bickering about Ukraine is just a political theatre, all of this is part of the Great Reset. They’re all in this together.
jackthetreacleeater wrote: If we tolerate this, who's country will be next?
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jackthetreacleeater wrote:The west needs to respond decisively in this situation, to do nothing now would be a betrayal of the Ukrainian people and nothing more than appeasement, just like in 1939. If we tolerate this, who's country will be next?
Leaving geo-political conspiracies to one side, we all know who the bad guys are in this situation, the Russians. Putin is mad, his rhetoric and double speak is full of lies, mis-truths and plain old bullshit.
This nonsense about NATO encircling and expanding when we made a vague agreement with Russia is just a smoke-screen. Those countries made a choice, and it was their decision to make. My adopted home, the Czech Republic, made a conscious decision to turn its back on Russian imperialism and the Communist past, it looked to the EU and the west for support, and it was their prerogative. Who are Russian to dictate who should and shouldn't join NATO?
I think Putin is just plain mad, in the same way as Hitler and Stalin. He's become pissed with power because no one inside his own country dare challenge or contradict him.
Re. in those citing "the whole picture", rather than some gentlemen's agreement, the Russians actually signed the Budapest Memorandum (1994) which (though not legally binding) stated that all signees would respect current boundaries; including the Ukraine. Clearly the Russians have broken that on two occasions.
Everything the Russians say is a lie. They have become an Orwellian nation, so oppressed, the people lied to so much that they don't know the facts, let alone the truth.
If we in the west had any balls we'd act now and send Russia back to the stone-age where they fucking belong.
YumYum74 wrote:Connected to this site: apparently the Czech government has now suspended issuing visa for Russian nationals.
jackthetreacleeater wrote:The west needs to respond decisively in this situation, to do nothing now would be a betrayal of the Ukrainian people and nothing more than appeasement, just like in 1939. If we tolerate this, who's country will be next?
Leaving geo-political conspiracies to one side, we all know who the bad guys are in this situation, the Russians. Putin is mad, his rhetoric and double speak is full of lies, mis-truths and plain old bullshit.
This nonsense about NATO encircling and expanding when we made a vague agreement with Russia is just a smoke-screen. Those countries made a choice, and it was their decision to make. My adopted home, the Czech Republic, made a conscious decision to turn its back on Russian imperialism and the Communist past, it looked to the EU and the west for support, and it was their prerogative. Who are Russian to dictate who should and shouldn't join NATO?
I think Putin is just plain mad, in the same way as Hitler and Stalin. He's become pissed with power because no one inside his own country dare challenge or contradict him.
Re. in those citing "the whole picture", rather than some gentlemen's agreement, the Russians actually signed the Budapest Memorandum (1994) which (though not legally binding) stated that all signees would respect current boundaries; including the Ukraine. Clearly the Russians have broken that on two occasions.
Everything the Russians say is a lie. They have become an Orwellian nation, so oppressed, the people lied to so much that they don't know the facts, let alone the truth.
If we in the west had any balls we'd act now and send Russia back to the stone-age where they fucking belong.
netzerkaiser wrote:NATO have been provoking Moscow since Glasnost. I lived in Russia in early '90's & I saw first-hand how the expectations & hopes of Russians were betrayed by west. No help was given. I saw once proud old ladies driven to begging on side-streets when rouble went kaputt. Myself, I saw it.
I lost all faith in NATO in '99 with the lies over Kosovo & the pariah made of Serbia in a 10 year war where Serbia | Croatia | Bosnia / Albania were all equally complicit...
There are 2 guilty parties here, Russia & NATO, I'm no fan of disgusting NKVD / KGB brutality / sadism, but I think / hope Russia's gone past that.
Lets hope this de-escalates. China's stance encourages me that it will. Fair play to China, they're not sitting on fence. They're saying 'stop this now'.
netzerkaiser wrote:As things stand, this is looking like it might be sorted in 48 hours. Lets PRAY so. But if so, it might be looked on with interesting perspective years from now, almost like Israeli offensives / defensives '67 / '73 - similar orthopeadic accuracy (so far). Western European Russians & Ukrainians are kin... I know, I tried Routledge Ukraiainian language course (''cos I have basic Russian) & it was easy. No judgements here... lets hope casualties to minimum... 2 great peoples... more in common with one another than any of us outsiders can imagine in our cosy settings.
Starrio wrote:@FriendlyFireFan, I love Russian women, Ukrainian women, all women really, and I don't think that will ever change, if you feel you have a lot of anger I recommend the book "Letting Go" by David. R. Hawkins. Pretty much everything that man writes is profound. I highly recommend it.
@Iddaoeeok I hope you are not referring to me because if that's the case you have me all wrong. I do not condone initiating a war and I never will regardless of where it comes from.
Starrio wrote:@FriendlyFireFan, I love Russian women, Ukrainian women, all women really, and I don't think that will ever change, if you feel you have a lot of anger I recommend the book "Letting Go" by David. R. Hawkins. Pretty much everything that man writes is profound. I highly recommend it.
Starrio wrote:robin_reid wrote:I guess you guys know who is Klaus Schwab and his WEF, well in old spechs he mentioned favourably “world leaders” like Trudeau, Macron etc and including Putin as well. So all the bickering about Ukraine is just a political theatre, all of this is part of the Great Reset. They’re all in this together.
Putin too? Are you sure? The ones I know involved with the WEF are:
robin_reid wrote:Starrio wrote:robin_reid wrote:I guess you guys know who is Klaus Schwab and his WEF, well in old spechs he mentioned favourably “world leaders” like Trudeau, Macron etc and including Putin as well. So all the bickering about Ukraine is just a political theatre, all of this is part of the Great Reset. They’re all in this together.
Putin too? Are you sure? The ones I know involved with the WEF are:
netzerkaiser wrote:NATO have been provoking Moscow since Glasnost. I lived in Russia in early '90's & I saw first-hand how the expectations & hopes of Russians were betrayed by west. No help was given. I saw once proud old ladies driven to begging on side-streets when rouble went kaputt. Myself, I saw it.
I lost all faith in NATO in '99 with the lies over Kosovo & the pariah made of Serbia in a 10 year war where Serbia | Croatia | Bosnia / Albania were all equally complicit...
There are 2 guilty parties here, Russia & NATO, I'm no fan of disgusting NKVD / KGB brutality / sadism, but I think / hope Russia's gone past that.
Lets hope this de-escalates. China's stance encourages me that it will. Fair play to China, they're not sitting on fence. They're saying 'stop this now'.
nelson_sanchez wrote:OK, lets say that you live in a apartment building of 50 units and 47 units are people who dont like you at all. how one can live at pease in such situation. regular people in russia are like the kis in the 3 apartments playing and going to school with the 47 others.
nelson_sanchez wrote:OK, lets say that you live in a apartment building of 50 units and 47 units are people who dont like you at all. how one can live at pease in such situation. regular people in russia are like the kis in the 3 apartments playing and going to school with the 47 others.
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