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I actually do admire many athletes like:

- Tom Brady
- Cristiano Ronaldo
- Tiger Woods
- Sebastian Vettel
- Kobe Bryant
- Alex Rodriguez
- Ayrton Senna
- Michael Jordan
- Michael Phelps
- Michael Schumacher
- Mike Tyson
- Nicki Lauda
- Sonic Fox
- Lionel Messi
- Mark McGwire
- Lewis Hamilton

Also businessmen like:

- The Rothschilds
- The Rockefellers
- The Warburgs
- The Sterns
- The Weinbergs
- The Lazards
- The Goldman-Sachs

By the way, you don't need to like someone to admire them, for example I don't like George Soros at all, but I admire all the influence he has on mainstream media around the world and how he can mess with so many countries politics at will, shamelessly, which is not something not many can do easily.

Or people like Laurence D. Fink (BlackRock), Bill Ackman (Pershing Square Capital), Peter S. Kraus (AllienceBernstein), Stephen A Schwarzman (Blackstone Group), Aviv Nevo (Time Warner), etc., etc., it is not easy to acquire that amount of wealth for most people, so that's something to admire.

Music artists:

- George Gershwin
- Glenn Miller
- Alfredo Gil
- Gilberto Puente
- John Lennon
- Paul McCartney
- Mick Jagger
- Keith Richards
- Pete Townshend
- Justin Hayward
- Mike Pinder
- Jim Morrison
- Ray Manzarek
- Robert Plant
- Jimmy Page
- Eric Clapton
- Jeff Beck
- David Gates
- Alan Parsons
- Roger Hodgson
- Rick Davies
- Jeff Lynne
- Barry Gibb
- Robin Gibb
- Maurice Gibb
- Benny Andersson
- Bjorn Ulvaeus
- Freddie Mercury
- Brian May
- Steve Harris
- Dave Murray
- Dave Mustaine
- James Hetfield
- Kirk Hammett
- Michael Jackson
- Yngwie Malmsteen
- Kai Hansen
- Michael Weikath
- Michael Kiske
- Axl Rose
- Slash
- Jon Bon Jovi
- Richie Sambora
- Steven Tyler
- Joe Perry
- Steve Vai
- Joe Satriani
- Timo Tolkki
- Kiko Loureiro
- Rafael Bittencourt
- Luca Turilli
- Enrik García
- Jani Liimatainen
- Jens Johansson
- Alex Staropoli
- Tuomas Holopainen
- Christofer Johnsson
- Joakim Brodén
- Alexi Laiho
- Fredrik Thordendal
- Marten Hagstrom
- Tomas Haake
- Michael Locher
- Michael Amott
- Mikael Akerfeldt
- Tiësto

Composers:

- George Handel
- Antonio Vivaldi
- Johann Sebastian Bach
- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
- Ludwig van Beethoven
- Franz Schubert
- Niccolo Paganini
- Frederick Chopin
- Franz Liszt
- Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
- Giuseppe Verdi
- Johannes Brahms
- Jean Sibelius
- Edvard Grieg
- Richard Wagner
- Johan Strauss II
- Richard Strauss
- Fernando Sor
- Francisco Tárrega
- Isaac Albéniz
- Agustín Barrios Mangoré
- José Alfredo Jiménez
- Pérez Prado
- Alfred Newman
- Elmer Bernstein
- Ennio Morricone
- Nino Rota
- Piero Umiliani
- Henri Mancini
- Francis Lai
- Maurice Jarre
- John Williams
- Basil Poledouris
- Hans Zimmer

Filmmakers:

- Cecil B. DeMille
- William Wyler
- Charles Chaplin
- Franco Zeffirelli
- Luis Buñuel
- Francis Ford Coppola
- Woody Allen
- Roman Polanski
- Stanley Kubrick
- Robert Zemeckis
- George Lucas
- Stephen Spielberg
- Martin Scorsese
- James Cameron
- Paul Verhoeven
- Ridley Scott
- Tim Burton
- Alfonso Cuarón
- Alejandro Iñárritu
- Pedro Almodóvar
- Charlie Kaufman
- J.J. Abrams
- Sam Mendes
- David Fincher
- Zack Snyder
- Mel Gibson
- Luc Besson
- Ron Howard
- Quentin Tarantino
- Dennis Villeneuve
- Andrew Niccol
- Christopher Nolan
- The Coen Brothers
- The Farrelly Brothers
- The Wachowski Brothers

In terms of writers:

- William Shakespeare
- Miguel de Cervantes
- Homer
- Hesiod
- Virgil
- Ovid
- Dante Alighieri
- Alonso de Ercilla y Zúñiga
- John Milton
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
- Voltaire
- William Blake
- Lord Byron
- Bram Stoker
- Mary Shelley
- Edgar Allan Poe
- Washington Irving
- Charles Dickens
- Alexandre Dumas
- Victor Hugo
- Jules Verne
- Gustavo Adolfo Bécquer
- Ruben Darío
- Alfredo Espino
- Miguel Angel Espino
- George Orwell
- Aldous Huxley
- William Golding
- Federico García Lorca
- Gabriel García Márquez
- Pablo Cohelo

Other artists:

- Donatello
- Leonardo Da Vinci
- Michaelangelo
- Raphael
- Rembrandt
- Diego Velázquez
- Francisco Goya
- Claude Monet
- Auguste Rodin
- Vincent Van Gogh
- Henry Matisse
- Gustavo Doré
- Pablo Picasso
- Diego Rivera
- Salvador Dalí

Philosophers:

- Lao Tzu
- Pythagoras
- Socrates
- Plato
- Aristotle
- Augustine of Hippo
- Thomas Aquinas
- Niccolo Machiavelli
- René Descartes
- Baruch Spinoza
- Gottfried Leibniz
- George Berkeley
- Immanuel Kant
- Friedrich Nietzsche
- Nikola Tesla
- Albert Einstein
- Philip K. Dick
- Mihaly Csikszentmyhalyi
- John Horton Conway
- David R. Hawkins
- Eckhart Tolle
- Donald D. Hoffman
- Nick Bostrom

[quote="Starrio"]I actually do admire many athletes like:

You're a well grounded guy.

I have a particular repect for athletes.

They have nowhere to hide.

Definitely man, it would nice to read your list.

Starrio wrote:Definitely man, it would nice to read your list.

First of all to admire, are people who never cared for publicity, drumroll mam & dad

I'm really glad you didn't put Sartre in your list of philosophers. It could inspire counter thread, "Famous people you don't admire".

Brilliant deconstruction by Clive James, the amiable Australian commentator:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/200 ... artre.html

Firstly, what only became apparent after his death, was he was a totally lecherous little man who used Simone de Beavoir as his pimp for the finest impressionable young ladies the Sorbonne could offer.

Secondly, he was also highly influential in the field of Bullshit, sorry, I meant Sociology!

Thirdly, he was almost single handedly responsible for every pretentious dickie-bowed twat you'll ever have misfortune to meet in a cafe.

Its a shame because at his best he was a damned fine novelist in the stream of consciousness style of Dos Passos. Parts of his trilogy "Roads to Freedom" are simply inspired, especially his homosexual character Daniel.

His contemporary Camus was far simpler, more honest. I found delightful article from of all places, The Guardian!

"Do we look the way we are, or are we the way we look? Here to help is the dustjacket of Andy Martin's The Boxer and the Goalkeeper. In one corner there's Jean-Paul Sartre, a withered homunculus looking furtively away from the camera. In the other there's Albert Camus, soft eyes glowing, hair gleaming in what might be a Hollywood portrait. After the war, people were forever telling him he looked like Humphrey Bogart. It was a good call, but it would have been even better if someone had said Peter Lorre's snivels and grovels would make him an excellent Sartre in a Casablanca-style movie about the two thinkers' respective contributions to the French resistance.

Not that Camus ever claimed to have been an action hero. Some anti-Nazi journalism aside, he always said he had done very little in the war. This wasn't modesty but the reflexive honour of a man who had seen enough active service to know that there were others who had seen a whole lot more. Some of them had seen so much they would never see anything again, including the spectacle of Sartre – who during the occupation had done nothing but kowtow to its leaders in order to get one of his plays put on – talking tough after the fact.

Otherwise, Camus and Sartre had a lot in common. Both men, as Martin points out in his account of the dreads and doubts that fed into postwar French philosophy, grew up without fathers. Both were skirt-chasers. Both believed writing was about pinning down what it feels like to be alive. Both saw the human condition as contradictory, even tautologous. "I am not what I am," said Sartre. "I am a stranger to myself," said Camus. Both argued for the possibility of what Martin calls "secular transcendence" – the belief that even in the absence of God an individual human life might still be necessary, might still have meaning. Both, in other words, were existentialists.

Where they differed was over Marx. Sartre thought Marxism compatible with existentialism. Since Marxism is a determinism – you might think you're in control of your life but you are in fact the plaything of bigger forces such as economics and ideology – you don't need to be Bertrand Russell to see that Sartre was on dodgy ground. Men are either free or they aren't, but outside Wonderland they can't be both. For all his claims to have reconciled humanism and historicism (and Hegel and Heidegger), Sartre hadn't squared a circle. He'd just run rings around himself. Camus told him so. What Martin calls their "duel to the death" was on.

Or it would have been had Camus not died in a car crash in 1960, aged 46. Their fight had only just got going, really, with Sartre jabbing (and jabbering) about revolutionary bloodshed being not only necessary but self-nullifying ("Violence, like the spear of Achilles, can heal the wounds that it has made"), and Camus counterpunching with the clarity of what ought to be common sense ("no cause justifies the death of the innocent").

Andy Martin tells this microcosmic story of postwar French thought with a lightness of touch not always found in philosophy primers. Even-handed as he tries to be, the joyous clarity of his prose means he can't help siding with the straight-talking Camus against the impenetrable posturing of Sartre's non-fiction. How, one wonders while trying once again with Being and Nothingness, could a man whose novels draw breath from the concrete and the empirical exhale such windy abstractions? Not everything can be made simple, of course, but Sartre's spiralling, self-mirroring, vertiginous philosophising is nowhere of a piece with the stabbing simplicity of his fiction. The suspicion arises that he wrote like that because he wanted to appear cleverer than he was. If so, he was disobeying existentialism's first imperative – being true to yourself. No wonder Camus, who was forever admitting to his lies, disapproved.

The Boxer and the Goalkeeper is the latest in a line of recent books about two guys squaring up to one another. Wittgenstein and Popper, Leonardo and Michelangelo, Keynes and Hayek – all have had their tiffs turned into enterprises of great pitch and moment by publishers desperate for new lines on old battles. One of the many virtues of Martin's book is that its fighting form actually suits its antagonists' philosophical fisticuffs. Their row about the rights and wrongs of violent revolution was the central showdown of the second half of the 20th century.

Not that everything is quite perfect here. At one point in his narrative Martin tells us that "every serious book reviewer hates the books he reviews", a suggestion that brought out the syllogist in me. No serious book reviewer likes the books he reviews. I like The Boxer and the Goalkeeper. I am not a serious book reviewer. Which means, perhaps, that you shouldn't pay me any regard when I say that this is a fine book."

Admiration is a vice. You should learn from those around you and respect their talents and contributions to society, but admiration is the path to adulation, which always ends in disappointment. No man can live up to unrealistic expectations.

I try not to admire anyone, but I’m not perfect. I’ve had heroes, like anyone else, and I’ve the opportunity to meet some of those people and be disappointed by what I saw.

Mister Ananas wrote:Admiration is a vice. You should learn from those around you and respect their talents and contributions to society, but admiration is the path to adulation, which always ends in disappointment. No man can live up to unrealistic expectations.

I try not to admire anyone, but I’m not perfect. I’ve had heroes, like anyone else, and I’ve the opportunity to meet some of those people and be disappointed by what I saw.

I don't know if its an answer. But I've only two regrets in my life. The first was to get a nose-job when I was 19, so young, face not filled out, just because I was adopted & didn't know where I came from.

But the second ascribes to what you say. I HATE that from age 12 one was dragged into "popular culture", what John Lennon thought for example.

What John Lennon thought, should never have been exposed to any 12 year old kid, influencing his thoughts & attitudes. I mean who gives a FUCK what he did or didn't think?

For Lennon, read Bowie, Dylan ad infinutum.

All you need to know is you're here, the sun shines, & you need grow. For Muslims its Mohommed, for me, Gospel of St John... whatever way you wanna put it, these things get you through a lifetime...

John 21:18

Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you used to dress yourself and walk wherever you wanted, but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will dress you and carry you where you do not want to go.

Please, I'm not being a dick Brother. As GB Shaw put so eloquently, "youth is wasted on the young".

netzerkaiser wrote:Brilliant deconstruction by Clive James, the amiable Australian commentator:

Speaking of famous people you don't admire.

Yeah, admiration doesn't diminish you as a person, in fact it enhances you because it means you recognize that in this world you don't have time to do everything on your own, and that often you need other people to do things for you, or show you better and faster way to accomplish things.

Not admiring people becomes then a sign of stupidity we should avoid, and a demonstration of lack of self love for unconsciously admitting a lack of worthiness to what others can potentially offer before you.

In fact, I mentioned some people I don't particular like, but that I still admire. Most of the people I mentioned I like but some I definitely don't, so liking has nothing to do with having the ability to admire what someone can give.

Mister Ananas wrote:but admiration is the path to adulation.

That is not correct, they are separate things that evolve in different ways. For example you can have a deep admiration for your enemy in battle, but that doesn't mean you don't have the confidence to go against it and defeat it.

Adulation is opposite from admiration because adulation is pretty much admitting defeat, it represents a lack of confidence that you have the same possibility in accomplishing greatness.

Adulation also implies a desire to obtain that which is adored because you wouldn't idolize it if it wasn't something that you wish for yourself.

Admiration is different in the sense that you can admire people doing things you never want to do yourself, or at least not intend to, and this is why those are different paths, and if they ever crossed is merely correlation, not causation.

Alf.

Eduardo Costa

Gusttavo Lima

JayJams wrote:Alf.

He is quite the photographer actually.

error01x wrote:Eduardo Costa

error01x wrote:Gusttavo Lima

It looks like they are Brazilian.

I have some Brazilian people on my list like Kiko Loureiro, Rafael Bittencourt, the amazing writer Paulo Cohelo, and the legendary Formula 1 driver Ayrton Senna.

I also had admiration for André Matos that passed away in 2019, he was probably one of the best singers of all time.

Other Brazilians I admire would be Luís Mariutti, Ricardo Confessori, Aquiles Priester, Felipe Andreoli, and Eduardo Falaschi, which are all very virtuosos musicians.

Of course Brazil has a lot of great soccer players like the original Ronaldo, and also others like Romário, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Dunga, Bebeto, Cafú, Roberto Carlos, and Kaká.

I'm obviously in love of all the Brazilian supermodels as well, but my admiration for those women is strictly sexual, Alessandra Ambrosio, Adriana Lima, Gisele Bundchen, Isabeli Fontana, Ana Beatriz Barros, Izabel Goulart, Caroline Trentini, Raquel Zimmermann, Flavia de Oliveira, Fernanda Tavares, Cinta Dicker, Raica Oliveira, Michelle Alves, Fernanda Motta, Daniella Sarahyba, you name it. Those are on a league of their own.

But there are others lesser known, for example there is a guy name Sorocaba that married this influencer called Biah Rodrigues that is incredibly gorgeous, and he already made her pregnant twice, but who wouldn't, that girl is hot as hell.

Just look at her playing hula hula:

https://youtu.be/g5IqmV9j8pc

I want one.

Sticking to sportsmen (loosely defined), I have a real soft spot for Bobby Fischer.

"In quantum physics, they talk about how there exist an infinite number of universes, 'many' of which would contain all sorts of different versions of Earth. Somewhere out there, a version of Earth must exist where it became an annual tradition for Bobby Fischer to address a joint session of Congress. That's the USA I want to live in."

Bobby was a real one; a real original:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxvnEwvgfeI

I also love this Mike Tyson tribute. Tyson is a humble, genuine man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl2-nyxKVco

My favorite part is the fan going nuts at 2:03. I just got a calf cramp because I got too excited too . . . these clips make me want to murder someone lol

FreeBrittanyZamora wrote:"In quantum physics, they talk about how there exist an infinite number of universes, 'many' of which would contain all sorts of different versions of Earth..."

This is actually correct, I wonder who said that because he is right.

By the way, thanks for sharing that Mike Tyson video. This is why Tyson has always been on my lists, he was incredible. With him fights would only last a few seconds because of KOs, you don't see that with anybody else, and with that much consistency, only Tyson.

I heard of Bobby Fischer, but I'm not familiar with his work, I'm going to watch that video and look him up, he sounds like a very smart guy. He looks like the type of guy that could use a feature film.

Starrio wrote:

error01x wrote:Eduardo Costa

error01x wrote:Gusttavo Lima

It looks like they are Brazilian.

I have some Brazilian people on my list like Kiko Loureiro, Rafael Bittencourt, the amazing writer Paulo Cohelo, and the legendary Formula 1 driver Ayrton Senna.

I also had admiration for André Matos that passed away in 2019, he was probably one of the best singers of all time.

Other Brazilians I admire would be Luís Mariutti, Ricardo Confessori, Aquiles Priester, Felipe Andreoli, and Eduardo Falaschi, which are all very virtuosos musicians.

Of course Brazil has a lot of great soccer players like the original Ronaldo, and also others like Romário, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Dunga, Bebeto, Cafú, Roberto Carlos, and Kaká.

I'm obviously in love of all the Brazilian supermodels as well, but my admiration for those women is strictly sexual, Alessandra Ambrosio, Adriana Lima, Gisele Bundchen, Isabeli Fontana, Ana Beatriz Barros, Izabel Goulart, Caroline Trentini, Raquel Zimmermann, Flavia de Oliveira, Fernanda Tavares, Cinta Dicker, Raica Oliveira, Michelle Alves, Fernanda Motta, Daniella Sarahyba, you name it. Those are on a league of their own.

But there are others lesser known, for example there is a guy name Sorocaba that married this influencer called Biah Rodrigues that is incredibly gorgeous, and he already made her pregnant twice, but who wouldn't, that girl is hot as hell.

Just look at her playing hula hula:

https://youtu.be/g5IqmV9j8pc

I want one.

Yeah Sorocaba makes brazilian country music with his friend Fernando. He has also a music label and contracts new singers. But for what I heard he s not so nice to his employees.

In general I admire only people that started from really nothing. Eduardo and Gusttavo lived almost on street as a child and had no food sometimes.

Eduardo did sell icecream on street, which he had from a neighbor and he had to carry his very sick mother, his brother and sister when he arrived at home. His Mother couldnt take care of its own children.

But since he was born, he always liked to make music. And with a lot of hard work he finally became an artist. And he was the first artist singing country alone which had success in brazil.

All he has now, he deserves from heart really. And he still a very good person with good character.

netzerkaiser wrote:
I'm really glad you didn't put Sartre in your list of philosophers. It could inspire counter thread, "Famous people you don't admire".

Totally agree, Sartre is partly responsible for all the wokism and deconstruction around. He should be forgotten. The only Sartre I care about is Charlotte.
I prefer Camus, he was a great philosopher, down to earth.

Yeah, I have never included Sartre or Marx on my lists. I don't agree with their ideas because they just don't work in real life.

error01x wrote:
Yeah Sorocaba makes brazilian country music with his friend Fernando. He has also a music label and contracts new singers. But for what I heard he s not so nice to his employees.

In general I admire only people that started from really nothing. Eduardo and Gusttavo lived almost on street as a child and had no food sometimes.

Eduardo did sell icecream on street, which he had from a neighbor and he had to carry his very sick mother, his brother and sister when he arrived at home. His Mother couldnt take care of its own children.

But since he was born, he always liked to make music. And with a lot of hard work he finally became an artist. And he was the first artist singing country alone which had success in brazil.

All he has now, he deserves from heart really. And he still a very good person with good character.

Yeah, I didn't even know who Sorocaba was. I was referring to his wife which is a total hottie. The other guys you are talking about sound solid.

A lot of soccer players have a background like that. I read the biography of Cristiano Ronaldo, and he has come a long way from poverty.

Mister Ananas wrote:Admiration is a vice. You should learn from those around you and respect their talents and contributions to society, but admiration is the path to adulation, which always ends in disappointment. No man can live up to unrealistic expectations.

I try not to admire anyone, but I’m not perfect. I’ve had heroes, like anyone else, and I’ve the opportunity to meet some of those people and be disappointed by what I saw.

“The image is one thing and the human being is another. It's very hard to live up to an image, put it that way.”

― Elvis Presley

Plain and simple, Tiger Woods in his prime.