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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby robin_reid » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:23 pm

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dap-addict wrote:1on1 anal / boy-girl anal
Most girls start to care for whom they gonna work only after they got booked by him, when its already too late. Many girls never start to care for a long time, some never do, its only money and time lost to travel to shooting spot they care about. Ppl are different, its a fact.
But poor girls caught like that still - even if they are to blame at a tiny percentage themselves, too! :(

There is a reason why he want to book girls before the others, before they know how the things really works. And what really means doing first anal/DP, exclusivity etc.
Some believe all his bullshit about holding back is good for her career, others simply don't wanna do anal/DP, and there were tricked, manipulated in doing that in the very first scene, 'cause they are young, naive (stupid and clueless, as Josephine Jackson said) and left alone from the agency (which is an accomplice) with a producer that continue to put pressure on the mind of a newbie that needs to work...just imagine...



She summarize all of what we think in that story on IG: "It was the start of my career, I didn't understand what I'm doing, that I can say no, of course was horrible experience and I'm not going to do anymore."


And we also know that the main characteristics for a girl to accept to shoot there the first scene, sent by agencies with which he has agreements, is to be young and stupid and that the majority then regrets it. Not that confirmation was needed.

At least I hope the money where good. Young and stupid, the ones that PW prefers...
Brillshit had its money and satisfied the client, he can boast of having an exclusive, made on the shoulders of newbies who don't know what they are doing and tricked them. She say that not me.

Obviously she says it now that has already builded a career, imagine if she said it right after that shoot, her career would be compromised (they are young, newbies, and the power is in the hand of agency and producer), since she had to work with Brillbabes. I bet a lot of models that have only one anal/DP scene simply do the same,stay quiet and go forward with the career, like if they never did that.
In some case I think [spam] is a good thing...since girls can be the boss of themself.

That’s what PornoDan said time ago about the coertion and manipulation of him, and he said that such things couldn’t be possible in a professional biz like the american. He is right, in a normal and professional biz all agencies would black list him but here they lick his ass.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby MaxJ » Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:51 pm

BlueShadow wrote:Obviously all hidden behind the smiles and dinners (gift, money, fake promises...), unfortunately many seriously fall for that. So, the feeling of having been used only comes later... even years.
(I'm not saying they were forced,be attention, but manipulated... yes.)


Many girls are attracted to money. Some of them are naive but majority knows very well the true nature of bald Frenchman.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby BlueShadow » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:08 am

He say that was me that did that pic with photoshop XD

Not my fault if she said those thing, I should have saved the video... he is lucky that now she has deleted that story, maye she received a call from ''someone'' yesterday ,as he confirmed on his propaganda forum :D


However, besides having seen this story, this is a screen that they sent me, as you can see the frame is different from the one captured by me...
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And however anyone who follows Josephine Jackson saw that story before it was deleted, and so, he can invent all the fake stories he wants.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby robin_reid » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:42 am

BlueShadow wrote:He say that was me that did that pic with photoshop XD

Not my fault if she said those thing, I should have saved the video... he is lucky that now she has deleted that story, maye she received a call from ''someone'' yesterday ,as he confirmed on his propaganda forum :D


However, besides having seen this story, this is a screen that they sent me, as you can see the frame is different from the one captured by me...
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And however anyone who follows Josephine Jackson saw that story before it was deleted, and so, he can invent all the fake stories he wants.

Stories disappear after 24 hours, and I also seen that video where (as I already said before) she said that this experience with him was horrible.

Why should I lie about it and get in trouble with Josephine? It is something that the girl herself has said from her own mouth. I'm not invent this affirmation from her and I wouldn't gain anything by invent this. If he wanna think that this is not true, that we lie, that the screenshot was faked with photoshop and he wanna believe that all the models that meet with him to dinner they think that him and their experience with him on the hotel room was marvelous, ok that’s fine.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby BlueShadow » Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:27 am

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BlueShadow wrote:He say that was me that did that pic with photoshop XD

Not my fault if she said those thing, I should have saved the video... he is lucky that now she has deleted that story, maye she received a call from ''someone'' yesterday ,as he confirmed on his propaganda forum :D


However, besides having seen this story, this is a screen that they sent me, as you can see the frame is different from the one captured by me...
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And however anyone who follows Josephine Jackson saw that story before it was deleted, and so, he can invent all the fake stories he wants.

Stories disappear after 24 hours, and I also seen that video where (as I already said before) she said that this experience with him was horrible.

Why should I lie about it and get in trouble with Josephine? It is something that the girl herself has said from her own mouth. I'm not invent this affirmation from her and I wouldn't gain anything by invent this. If he wanna think that this is not true, that we lie, that the screenshot was faked with photoshop and he wanna believe that all the models that meet with him to dinner they think that him and their experience with him on the hotel room was marvelous, ok that’s fine.

But not only you, ALL those who follow her have seen that story (And there are not a few ...)
It was a public post.
And above there are two different screens, we both had the same idea of ​​photoshopping a story? XD He overestimates himself if he thinks that.


Then, why she said it etc. I don't care.

I also wrote the exact words she said.
BlueShadow wrote:
She summarize all of what we think in that story on IG: "It was the start of my career, I didn't understand what I'm doing, that I can say no, of course was horrible experience and I'm not going to do anymore."


Obviously he has to ''defend'' himself in some way from what a girl says. It's not even a problem. But always continue with the same things, which we photoshopped etc. even no ... he's almost 60, should be mature.
I don't wake up a morning and think of photoshopping a story of a random model. XD
And why should I have chosen her, and not another one? Do I have something against her? Simply because she said those things, and I reported what she said. Point.


Then the others, who have not seen and heard, can believe all the lies they want, not my problem, really.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby BlueShadow » Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:36 am

And anyway the longtime users here, know very well that I have never posted any fake screenshot that I post, both those from 'that' forum, and the many screenshots posted in the model thread captured by the IG stories of the models. Intellectual honesty is the only thing I don't lack, thankfully.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby BlueShadow » Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:38 pm

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And why should she be upset? For something she wrote and said herself? XD Now let's not seriously fall into ridicule, please. Among other things, in a PUBLIC post that anyone has seen, it was not a private message. Everyone is responsible for what they say, can't blame others. And please... always the same story with this THEY, THEY, THEY, I have nothing to do with LP.
"It will not help her to get her one day"
She will not wanna do others Anal/DP after the 'experience' there, don't play dumb.
She wouldn't do it here regardless. And there is also a story where she says it, in the Q / A on her [spam] (everyone can check) when asked about gangbangs. If she didn't delete that too! LOL




I have showed two different screenshot from the same story, the model have 100k follower on IG, so for sure other people have seen that video before it was deleted (I can't do nothing about that, sorry), another person here confirmed that story. Which proof he has that I have faked two screen? LOL


Look at her latest Q / A, all the same location, and there are many questions (and you can also see questions about anal and dp before, (were she answer that she don't like it, thats why she also did that story about PW in the screenshot) and among those questions there was also that story (now deleted) that I took the screenshot (and not only me). Is simple.
Why would I have to invent things, choose that model, choose those stories? I could have done it sooner if I wanted to. But if you have a sick mind, it's not my fault.


Why should I put unspoken words in her mouth using that model's image? If she seriously didn't say those things and if she has a clear conscience (she know perfectly what she said) then sue me (and also the others person that did another screenshot of the same IG story) LOL, I'm okay with myself.

Saying that I have photoshopped the things it's so fucking immature that I can only laugh. Sorry.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby robin_reid » Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:32 pm

BlueShadow wrote:"It will not help her to get her one day"

Who said that we, I mean studios/directors, wanna get her? There is a big difference with him, that we respect the decision when a model say, or say to her agency, that doesn’t do anal, and we don’t try these bastard tricks like to meet with them for “only interviews” and then pressure, push, lie and break their will to try to get anal and dp scenes.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby BlueShadow » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:32 pm

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''Getting Josephine back for a xxxx with anal would give them a hell of a snub!''

''Them'' who btw?
LOL However. Who fucking care, bro.
If anything, it's her problem and she proves incoherent, since she's the one who said and wrote those things.
But the fact that she later deleted that story says it all.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby BlueShadow » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:39 pm

robin_reid wrote:Who said that we, I mean studios/directors, wanna get her? There is a big difference with him, that we respect the decision when a model say, or say to her agency, that doesn’t do anal, and we don’t try these bastard tricks like to meet with them for “only interviews” and then pressure, push, lie and break their will to try to get anal and dp scenes.

She never said those words (was young and stupid, didn't know how it worked, was bad experience), you have imagined that video on IG. Like all the others (judging by her follower) 100k potential viewers of that story :D
Everyone love him and they have always had good experiences. Forget it.
We showed and said what we had to. He proofs zero of what he says about photoshop LOL.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby viewer2 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:59 pm

BS, I don't see why you feel the need to justify yourself on many posts. Nobody here thinks you falsified anything. Obviously she posted something for some reason and she deleted it for some reason.
Why she did both, is not even interesting.

Women change, especially some models. This or that scene was the best experience in their life, then it changes, they hated it. Look at Cayenne Klein's changing statements about anal, or Isabella Della's changing statements about LP. Not the first contradiction here.

Here, the only reason why it's a bit more particular, is because Woodman wants everyone to believe that 99% of models enjoyed the scene with him as the best fuck in their life. It might have been the case 20 years ago, but now nobody can believe that the dream of a 18 yo girl is to be fucked in the ass by an old and bald guy. And I think he also knows it very well. I say so, even if I acknowledge that he has special skills to generate an orgasm with a girl and to "unblock" girls for anal.

I would debate with some posters before who wrote that all models going to Woodman are tricked by their agency. It might be the case, but seriously, in 2020, who goes somewhere without checking first on google? Even a primary school student does it. OK, there may be some girls who come from rural areas and are very dumb, but I don't have the impression that Josephine is dumb at all. In my opinion, most of models accepting to meet Woodman do it because they need quick money. Most of them know very well what will happen. OK, there might be some who go there naively and blindly follow their agency without checking, but quite frankly, in 2020, when all girls are on their smartphone 24/7, who can believe the majority doesn't even have a check? You meet a porn guy for the first time of your life and you wouldn't even google him? And it's enough to type "Pierre Woodman" on google (it takes 3 seconds) to find all information on him.
So, I don't really believe the stories of girls who play that they are "ignorant" and don't know what will happen.
Might have been the case 20-25 years ago, and might still be the case with some really stupid girls, but come on...

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby robin_reid » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:47 am

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I would debate with some posters before who wrote that all models going to Woodman are tricked by their agency. It might be the case, but seriously, in 2020, who goes somewhere without checking first on google? Even a primary school student does it. OK, there may be some girls who come from rural areas and are very dumb, but I don't have the impression that Josephine is dumb at all. In my opinion, most of models accepting to meet Woodman do it because they need quick money. Most of them know very well what will happen. OK, there might be some who go there naively and blindly follow their agency without checking, but quite frankly, in 2020, when all girls are on their smartphone 24/7, who can believe the majority doesn't even have a check? You meet a porn guy for the first time of your life and you wouldn't even google him? And it's enough to type "Pierre Woodman" on google (it takes 3 seconds) to find all information on him.
So, I don't really believe the stories of girls who play that they are "ignorant" and don't know what will happen.
Might have been the case 20-25 years ago, and might still be the case with some really stupid girls, but come on...

They are tricked because most of them, the ones who did put on the agency form “no bga” (and sometimes also no old men) goes to him only for a supposed paid interview, and once the model is there on the room is when he use his tactics to try to convince her for do anal and dp. I have a recent sample that happened just today, a spanish model that I sent to Sandymodels, on her profile is not the bga, but he asked to book her. Why he tried to book this model if she doesn’t do bga and he doesn’t shoot bg scenes?? Clearly to try to convince her for anal and dp.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby BlueShadow » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:13 am

viewer2 wrote:BS, I don't see why you feel the need to justify yourself on many posts. Nobody here thinks you falsified anything. Obviously she posted something for some reason and she deleted it for some reason.
Why she did both, is not even interesting.

You are right. But they make personal accusations and somehow I have to defend myself, it is ridiculous to think that I falsified the screen, you can say everything, but the only thing I do not lack is intellectual honesty.
Instead of thinking about me making far-fetched speculation, think about why she wrote those words.
I'm just the ambassador (and not only me btw) of what a model said, and the ambassador carries no blame.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby BlueShadow » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:25 am

last thing, in my first post where I show the screen I have not even added a personal opinion. I don't care a damn, it's all already said. But hearing that it is photoshopped, just not ...

Then there's a second post confirming the story on IG.

Then he may think we're all crazy, not my problem.
I repeat, they can believe all the lies they want at this point.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby BlueShadow » Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:58 am

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Women change, especially some models. This or that scene was the best experience in their life, then it changes, they hated it. Look at Cayenne Klein's changing statements about anal, or Isabella Della's changing statements about LP. Not the first contradiction here.

Here, the only reason why it's a bit more particular, is because Woodman wants everyone to believe that 99% of models enjoyed the scene with him as the best fuck in their life. It might have been the case 20 years ago, but now nobody can believe that the dream of a 18 yo girl is to be fucked in the ass by an old and bald guy. And I think he also knows it very well. I say so, even if I acknowledge that he has special skills to generate an orgasm with a girl and to "unblock" girls for anal.

I would debate with some posters before who wrote that all models going to Woodman are tricked by their agency. It might be the case, but seriously, in 2020, who goes somewhere without checking first on google? Even a primary school student does it. OK, there may be some girls who come from rural areas and are very dumb, but I don't have the impression that Josephine is dumb at all. In my opinion, most of models accepting to meet Woodman do it because they need quick money. Most of them know very well what will happen. OK, there might be some who go there naively and blindly follow their agency without checking, but quite frankly, in 2020, when all girls are on their smartphone 24/7, who can believe the majority doesn't even have a check? You meet a porn guy for the first time of your life and you wouldn't even google him? And it's enough to type "Pierre Woodman" on google (it takes 3 seconds) to find all information on him.
So, I don't really believe the stories of girls who play that they are "ignorant" and don't know what will happen.
Might have been the case 20-25 years ago, and might still be the case with some really stupid girls, but come on...

About the second part of your post...well, she said herself she was young and stupid... she didn't know she can say no she said in the video.
Maybe she was tricked in some way? Maybe she didn't know about the second guy? Maybe she was too weak in that moment to say no?
Of course I don't know if her words are only some sort of justification but not first time that a girl regrets something only some time later. As you already pointed out.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby viewer2 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:16 pm

robin_reid wrote:They are tricked because most of them, the ones who did put on the agency form “no bga” (and sometimes also no old men) goes to him only for a supposed paid interview, and once the model is there on the room is when he use his tactics to try to convince her for do anal and dp.


Yes, this I have understood, of course it's a trick, but even if it's announced "paid interview", as I said you just have to google his name, it takes 3 seconds and you find everything you need to know about him.
So OK, I can believe there are some girls who are really stupid, but all girls would be so stupid that they don't even google his name? I don't believe that.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby grey00owl » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:36 pm

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robin_reid wrote:They are tricked because most of them, the ones who did put on the agency form “no bga” (and sometimes also no old men) goes to him only for a supposed paid interview, and once the model is there on the room is when he use his tactics to try to convince her for do anal and dp.


Yes, this I have understood, of course it's a trick, but even if it's announced "paid interview", as I said you just have to google his name, it takes 3 seconds and you find everything you need to know about him.
So OK, I can believe there are some girls who are really stupid, but all girls would be so stupid that they don't even google his name? I don't believe that.

Well, I'm not sure about that. At first I thought you're right: how can a model nowadays be so naive and not smell where she's going into, what the real reason of her journey to Budapest is?
But we have to consider that you don't find in the web so many negative judgements about Pierre Woodman, obviously those models don't attend this forum.
And of course the most of them trust their agents or agencies, as it should also be, and don't suspect that a contact with Woodman could have a totally different exit than initially thought.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby robin_reid » Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:41 pm

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robin_reid wrote:They are tricked because most of them, the ones who did put on the agency form “no bga” (and sometimes also no old men) goes to him only for a supposed paid interview, and once the model is there on the room is when he use his tactics to try to convince her for do anal and dp.


Yes, this I have understood, of course it's a trick, but even if it's announced "paid interview", as I said you just have to google his name, it takes 3 seconds and you find everything you need to know about him.
So OK, I can believe there are some girls who are really stupid, but all girls would be so stupid that they don't even google his name? I don't believe that.

Well the model goes there for a paid interview, it means no sex, so why they should look for him in google? an as said many times all the info that the models got from the agency is address and call time, not even the agency warns them that this man is going to try to convince them to have anal sex.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby viewer2 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:51 pm

grey00owl wrote: At first I thought you're right: how can a model nowadays be so naive and not smell where she's going into, what the real reason of her journey to Budapest is?
But we have to consider that you don't find in the web so many negative judgements about Pierre Woodman, obviously those models don't attend this forum.


What about his wikipedia page?
If you google him, that's the first thing you find, and the info is there.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby viewer2 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:56 pm

robin_reid wrote:
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robin_reid wrote:They are tricked because most of them, the ones who did put on the agency form “no bga” (and sometimes also no old men) goes to him only for a supposed paid interview, and once the model is there on the room is when he use his tactics to try to convince her for do anal and dp.


Ok, I still can't believe that none of them is suspicious or asks questions when proposed to receive several hundred euros just for answering questions in an interview. If they believe that without asking questions, they are very naive, and I don't think all of them are naive.

At the same time, if they receive only address and not name, I acknowledge it's not easy to check what will happen

Yes, this I have understood, of course it's a trick, but even if it's announced "paid interview", as I said you just have to google his name, it takes 3 seconds and you find everything you need to know about him.
So OK, I can believe there are some girls who are really stupid, but all girls would be so stupid that they don't even google his name? I don't believe that.

Well the model goes there for a paid interview, it means no sex, so why they should look for him in google? an as said many times all the info that the models got from the agency is address and call time, not even the agency warns them that this man is going to try to convince them to have anal sex.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby grey00owl » Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:57 pm

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grey00owl wrote: At first I thought you're right: how can a model nowadays be so naive and not smell where she's going into, what the real reason of her journey to Budapest is?
But we have to consider that you don't find in the web so many negative judgements about Pierre Woodman, obviously those models don't attend this forum.


What about his wikipedia page?
If you google him, that's the first thing you find, and the info is there.

They certainly don't mention that he tricks the models sent to him. And, as also said by Robin, they trust their agents and don't suspect which the real purpose of the interview is.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby viewer2 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:07 pm

grey00owl wrote:
viewer2 wrote:
grey00owl wrote: At first I thought you're right: how can a model nowadays be so naive and not smell where she's going into, what the real reason of her journey to Budapest is?
But we have to consider that you don't find in the web so many negative judgements about Pierre Woodman, obviously those models don't attend this forum.


What about his wikipedia page?
If you google him, that's the first thing you find, and the info is there.

They certainly don't mention that he tricks the models sent to him. And, as also said by Robin, they trust their agents and don't suspect which the real purpose of the interview is.


They do, in the "Controverses" section, albeit briefly and not as bluntly as here, of course.

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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

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robin_reid wrote:They are tricked because most of them, the ones who did put on the agency form “no bga” (and sometimes also no old men) goes to him only for a supposed paid interview, and once the model is there on the room is when he use his tactics to try to convince her for do anal and dp.


Yes, this I have understood, of course it's a trick, but even if it's announced "paid interview", as I said you just have to google his name, it takes 3 seconds and you find everything you need to know about him.
So OK, I can believe there are some girls who are really stupid, but all girls would be so stupid that they don't even google his name? I don't believe that.

Well the model goes there for a paid interview, it means no sex, so why they should look for him in google? an as said many times all the info that the models got from the agency is address and call time, not even the agency warns them that this man is going to try to convince them to have anal sex.


Ok, thanks for info. I still don't believe that all of them are naive (so much money only to speak...). But of course if you receive so little info, it's not easy to check.

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Postby robin_reid » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:38 pm

Money for only to speak it’s something about 100-200€, if then he gets the girl doing bga of course it’s more money.

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Postby BlueShadow » Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:46 am

grey00owl wrote:Well, I'm not sure about that. At first I thought you're right: how can a model nowadays be so naive and not smell where she's going into, what the real reason of her journey to Budapest is?
But we have to consider that you don't find in the web so many negative judgements about Pierre Woodman, obviously those models don't attend this forum.

especially when a model like Josephine Jackson writes negative things about what happened in a blunt way, but then delete because the next day she gets a call from him ... as the godfather LOL

As he kindly revealed on his propaganda forum.
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Re: Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

Postby narciss69 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:43 am

viewer2 wrote:
robin_reid wrote:They are tricked because most of them, the ones who did put on the agency form “no bga” (and sometimes also no old men) goes to him only for a supposed paid interview, and once the model is there on the room is when he use his tactics to try to convince her for do anal and dp.


Yes, this I have understood, of course it's a trick, but even if it's announced "paid interview", as I said you just have to google his name, it takes 3 seconds and you find everything you need to know about him.
So OK, I can believe there are some girls who are really stupid, but all girls would be so stupid that they don't even google his name? I don't believe that.

Well the model goes there for a paid interview, it means no sex, so why they should look for him in google? an as said many times all the info that the models got from the agency is address and call time, not even the agency warns them that this man is going to try to convince them to have anal sex.[/quote]

Ok, thanks for info. I still don't believe that all of them are naive (so much money only to speak...). But of course if you receive so little info, it's not easy to check.[/quote]
Those money are " not only to speak ".
Those money are marketing investment for ” I was the first image", could make ppl think he fucked first all those girls.Many girls they can face " it's an easy way they can make money by fucking.The worst come only later, when they already trust hím.
First escorting experience.
Those girls meet hím because are in need of money.

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narciss69 wrote:Those money are marketing investment for ” I was the first image", could make ppl think he fucked first all those girls.Many girls they can face " it's an easy way they can make money by fucking.The worst come only later, when they already trust hím.
First escorting experience.
Those girls meet hím because are in need of money.

This must be the core of Bp lier APE business for many years already.
Because his amateurish hotel room videos simply can't play in the money he invests for all this 1st anals/1st sex with me narcistic shootings. Economically it can't work only with porn. Or than its just his hobby and he really invested that Private money very very good, maybe into real estate i Bp before EU-accession. But if so, would he film in old grumpy hotel rooms? Go, figure! And would he behave like a Godfather? Go, figure!
He's the nasty face of porn adult entertainment, but still naive girls from countryside see him as God. Cant blame them, but its sad to read about all his victims on and on and on. :( :mad:
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Postby robin_reid » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:52 pm

Unfortunately in Europe also some agencies are deep in scorting biz. Sad but true.

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robin_reid wrote:Unfortunately in Europe also some agencies are deep in scorting biz. Sad but true.

Yep.
They funnel naive countryside girls into his so called "porn production".
And not only the naive countryside girls often. Really sad. :(
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dap-addict wrote:
robin_reid wrote:Unfortunately in Europe also some agencies are deep in scorting biz. Sad but true.

Yep.
They funnel naive countryside girls into his so called "porn production".
And not only the naive countryside girls often. Really sad. :(


It's only good to take it in the ass for cash if it is being recorded? Why the double standard?

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Postby robin_reid » Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:14 pm

ExtremePornFan wrote:
dap-addict wrote:
robin_reid wrote:Unfortunately in Europe also some agencies are deep in scorting biz. Sad but true.

Yep.
They funnel naive countryside girls into his so called "porn production".
And not only the naive countryside girls often. Really sad. :(


It's only good to take it in the ass for cash if it is being recorded? Why the double standard?

I have nothing against prostitution but I hate when it is mixed in the porn biz because of some producers and agencies. Call me weird if you want but I don't like that these people encourage/incite/propose the models to work in their prostitution business.

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Postby grey00owl » Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:43 pm

ExtremePornFan wrote:
dap-addict wrote:
robin_reid wrote:Unfortunately in Europe also some agencies are deep in scorting biz. Sad but true.

Yep.
They funnel naive countryside girls into his so called "porn production".
And not only the naive countryside girls often. Really sad. :(


It's only good to take it in the ass for cash if it is being recorded? Why the double standard?

I agree. I really don't see any difference, from an ethical point, between porn and prostitution. Both are about a paid sexual performance, in one case recorded in the other not. Of course there are differences in the implementation, but the substance doesn't change.
I understand that porn producers are not happy with this interference, me neither, but the moral aspect is the same.

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Postby ExtremePornFan » Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:37 pm

robin_reid wrote:I have nothing against prostitution but I hate when it is mixed in the porn biz because of some producers and agencies. Call me weird if you want but I don't like that these people encourage/incite/propose the models to work in their prostitution business.


I have always thought the Holier Than Thou attitude of some performers toward escorting was kind of strange. Seams like it might be a coerced way of thinking implemented to keep performers in the screen end of the sex work. You have your reasons for it and have a different view on it than a consumer.

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Postby robin_reid » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:15 am

I repeat, nothing against, but please not mixed with our biz thru some producers and some agencies by inducing the girls to do that or sending the girls to fake producers that don’t release the supposedly content they shot. It has nothing to do about ethical. Scorts have all my support.

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Postby dap-addict » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:08 am

Porn is simply not = prostitution.
And those agencies and (fake)producers mixing both spheres really hurt adult entertainment business called porn.
For many to most girls difference between both spheres of sex work might be only gradual, but that doenst change the fact that its 2 different things. I'd really expect Adult Agencies to draw a sharp line between both spheres of sex work and let their girls decide if they want to cross the line to prostitution as well instead of sending them to fake-porn-producers. This in fact comes very close criminal, actually. :mad:
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Postby ExtremePornFan » Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:38 am

dap-addict wrote:Porn is simply not = prostitution.
And those agencies and (fake)producers mixing both spheres really hurt adult entertainment business called porn.
For many to most girls difference between both spheres of sex work might be only gradual, but that doenst change the fact that its 2 different things. I'd really expect Adult Agencies to draw a sharp line between both spheres of sex work and let their girls decide if they want to cross the line to prostitution as well instead of sending them to fake-porn-producers. This in fact comes very close criminal, actually. :mad:


I think I understand Robin's point of view and I am glad you support $corts. I did not say porn and e$corting are exactly the same thing I view them as different branches of the Adult Entertainment industry. One thumbing their nose at the other is silly. A company misrepresenting themselves is obviously a shoddy practice.

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Postby avanfurwet » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:13 am

Problem IMO is with the "agencies". If an inexperienced girl gets booked by her "agency" (who are not working for her) for a "porn shoot" where she might imagine there will be some standards of health and safety - and when she arrives at the hotel/airbnb she encounters some random john doe(s) with an iphone and an erection, who booked her as an escort. Probably not a safe or pleasant situation for her.

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Postby dap-addict » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:10 pm

Its rather not done on that scale, but with (fake) producers giving access to bult escort bookings and rates, or very exclusive clients in Paris or Dubai.
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Postby dap-addict » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:20 pm

Bulk escort bookings I meant.
Its not only OP referred to but was also clubs like terminpornbabes in Austria in the past. Just to be fair here.
There was always a thin line. But real porn productions draw it while fake porn productions live of that blur. :(
And worst sure is naive girls get dragged into escort life earlier than they would maybe decide themselves. And maybe they would never go there if so called Adult Agencies hadnt sent them to such a proposal, especially linked with lighter porn works, i.e. non-anal for higher net pay by end of year due to very highly payed private meetings.

Just check IG profiles of Bp porn career started girls for tourist destinations and you often see a certain pattern.
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Postby robin_reid » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:49 pm

avanfurwet wrote:Problem IMO is with the "agencies". If an inexperienced girl gets booked by her "agency" (who are not working for her) for a "porn shoot" where she might imagine there will be some standards of health and safety - and when she arrives at the hotel/airbnb she encounters some random john doe(s) with an iphone and an erection, who booked her as an escort. Probably not a safe or pleasant situation for her.

This situation happened few year ago with a model in Budapest, she is latina friend of mine, she was registered with a wellknow agency that send her to some of those private pov shooters/content collectors and once on the hotel room this model had to argue and fight with the “producer” and the agency because that dude showed to her a weird std test not made in Interlab neither in any other lab that we use to work in this biz, without proper data, missing results, without password or qr code etc etc and the agency instead of defending the model sided with the client.

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