Putin is staging false flag attacks on own troops

[netzerkaiser]

Putin has lost the war already. His gambit, which to a degree I could respect, was for a 24 hour operation that would give closure.

Its failed. There is streetfighting. So he's lost already.

Two points I'd like to make.

Firstly, I don't think I'd fight for my country. I'd fight for my God, my self-respect, but I wouldn't fight for any of political elite & double tongued chancers that run our democracies. I'd rather fight after the take-over. Just like for example one, like myself defies our current charlatans by not jumping automatically for covid vaccine etc.

Secondly it was put to me over potential comparison with Israel in '67 & '74, & my point was, if it resulted in peace in 24 hours then maybe better than something worse ahead. But as stated, Putins plan seems derailed, which is Ukrainian victory each hour it goes on.

RE: Israels defence | offence in '67 & '73...what could a little country, size of Wales, attacked from 3 sides do? What if they did nothing? They had to fight. They had no option. And I'm a Roman Catholic so I've no partisan bond either way..

[RUShersgapersrises]

Yes,dictator Hitler Putin wants a war! Therefore has around its borders shiloads of military bases, not to mention secret biological,aircraft violating the airspace,aircraft carriers crammed in Black See...Well,what more to add..Just Hitler Putin!!

[2017sucks]

Yeah, dictator Hitler-Putin, just like all the other Russian dictators through history, making brother wars between Western-Catholic-Protestant nations, making new nations from them and so on...

This one is simple, USA+GB fires stupid EU "leaders" and much, much more stupid Ukrainian "leader", to push their people to death. For their own economic interests of course, not any fucking "democracy"... Lol why we dont have a threw up emoji...

Im sorry for every innocent civil, who lost life. But for neonazis, who were burning live people in building in Odessa and then even shooting on those, who tried to find a salvation, with jumping from windows... Cant be sorry, they got what deserved. And I dont remember football players refusing to play games because of that. Dont remember anyone in Western media to be sorry for pregnant womans being slaughtered by neo nazi gangs in Donbas.

Also, I never saw and heard any Man City player or fan to protest and be sorry for hundreds of thousands innocent people killed in Yemen, from theit terrorist Arabian owners. And so on and so on...

People from Donbas and Lugansk was protesting and declared independence from nazi gang in Kyiv, who overtook power from legitimate government. And being killed and bombarded again and again for 8 years. It was much more than enough.

[stewpidaz]

Putin has lost the war already. His gambit, which to a degree I could respect, was for a 24 hour operation that would give closure.

Its failed. There is streetfighting. So he's lost already.

Two points I'd like to make.

Firstly, I don't think I'd fight for my country. I'd fight for my God, my self-respect, but I wouldn't fight for any of political elite & double tongued chancers that run our democracies. I'd rather fight after the take-over. Just like for example one, like myself defies our current charlatans by not jumping automatically for covid vaccine etc.

Secondly it was put to me over potential comparison with Israel in '67 & '74, & my point was, if it resulted in peace in 24 hours then maybe better than something worse ahead. But as stated, Putins plan seems derailed, which is Ukrainian victory each hour it goes on.


RE: Israels defence | offence in '67 & '73...what could a little country, size of Wales, attacked from 3 sides do? What if they did nothing? They had to fight. They had no option. And I'm a Roman Catholic so I've no partisan bond either way..

You would fight for your imaginary friend in the clouds? That’s sick. Who would your imaginary friend command you to fight? Anyone who doesn’t believe in the same imaginary friend as you?

[Jocke]

Interesting to see how many still are believing Putin's propaganda.

There is no conflict between the people of Russia and Ukraine!

What we have is a dictator who is oppressing his own people and who wants to control neighbouring countries as well and he is prepared to kill as many people as needed to get his will. The only things he fears are US ICBMs and a revolution. Just like Stalin he is in his paranoia increasing the suppression of media and anyone who dares to speak up to the tyrant.
The people of Belarus and Kazakhstan etc.. of course also want to be liberated from their Putin puppets.

Thanks to NATO, most eastern European countries are now protected under the US nuclear umbrella. The war in Donbas was instigated by Putin to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. NATO is a threat to Putin specifically, not really to the people of Russia as Putin claims. NATO is a defence alliance and will never start an unprovoked attack. Any sane person understands that.

The global conflict today is between democracies and dictatorship countries like Russia, China and North Korea. Legitimate democracies do not start wars because of the simple fact that those who decides, i.e. the people, are the same who will die in that war and there is no incentive for a modern democracy to expand territory. When democracies want to expand, they form unions like EU and invite other countries peacefully to join. When democracies want to separate, they can do so like the Czech Republic and Slovakia. No need to fight wars.

It is sad to see forum members repeating Putin's lies about Nazi's and genocide etc. Putin is creating conflicts and justifications for starting a war. He couldn't care less about the people in Donbas, they are just pawns in the game. Putin do not care that Russian boys will die or that Ukrainian civilian will die.

Putin is a war criminal and they all get caught in the end.

Putin is now an international paria and will not be able to visit any other country than other dictatorship countries. Nobody will ever again believe anything he says or promise. He managed to fool western leaders for many years but that is in the past now. There will be no new negotiations. Putin and Russia will face sanctions until Ukraine is liberated and Putin is dethroned.

[YumYum74]

I wish I could say it as well as you did, Jocke. Agree 100%.

[Zipfelklatscher]

Interesting to see how many still are believing Putin's propaganda.

There is no conflict between the people of Russia and Ukraine!

What we have is a dictator who is oppressing his own people and who wants to control neighbouring countries as well and he is prepared to kill as many people as needed to get his will. The only things he fears are US ICBMs and a revolution. Just like Stalin he is in his paranoia increasing the suppression of media and anyone who dares to speak up to the tyrant.
The people of Belarus and Kazakhstan etc.. of course also want to be liberated from their Putin puppets.

Thanks to NATO, most eastern European countries are now protected under the US nuclear umbrella. The war in Donbas was instigated by Putin to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. NATO is a threat to Putin specifically, not really to the people of Russia as Putin claims. NATO is a defence alliance and will never start an unprovoked attack. Any sane person understands that.

The global conflict today is between democracies and dictatorship countries like Russia, China and North Korea. Legitimate democracies do not start wars because of the simple fact that those who decides, i.e. the people, are the same who will die in that war and there is no incentive for a modern democracy to expand territory. When democracies want to expand, they form unions like EU and invite other countries peacefully to join. When democracies want to separate, they can do so like the Czech Republic and Slovakia. No need to fight wars.

It is sad to see forum members repeating Putin's lies about Nazi's and genocide etc. Putin is creating conflicts and justifications for starting a war. He couldn't care less about the people in Donbas, they are just pawns in the game. Putin do not care that Russian boys will die or that Ukrainian civilian will die.

Putin is a war criminal and they all get caught in the end.

Putin is now an international paria and will not be able to visit any other country than other dictatorship countries. Nobody will ever again believe anything he says or promise. He managed to fool western leaders for many years but that is in the past now. There will be no new negotiations. Putin and Russia will face sanctions until Ukraine is liberated and Putin is dethroned.

100% agree ! I couldn't say it better !

[2017sucks]

Democracies? Those who maded country on eliminating all the native people and their languages (Indians as, most famous)... Or you mean on one EU country, where EU and Nato capitol is? I saw their democracy, holding Black kids in cages at zoo, till 1960's. Not to mention biggest democracy of all, killing hundreds of million people through centuries, all around the world. You know who they are. And no need to mention Germany, always thirsty of Slav-Ortodox Blood! Methods are different but the goal never changed.

No, sorry, I know... Democracy is Saudi Arabia, cutting arms and heads on public sqares every day. But giving oil for reasonable price, right? No, no, no... I know, democracy is a country maded 1948, who still terorise Palestine people, threating them like animals and keeping in ghetto. And giving them same treatment, as their own people had in 30s and 40s all around the europe. How the fuck they can do that? They are scared and sensitive and have a collective memory?

Well, another country have the same thing. Maybe Putin will be kicked out from power but nazi boots will never walk again and playing main role in Russia.

And for home work, go back at start of my post and make a search how many native people and languages Russian Empire erased from face of Earth, during their spread to east... Maybe result will surprise you but its freezing point in Celsius.

Have a nice day

[netzerkaiser]

Firstly, I don't think I'd fight for my country. I'd fight for my God, my self-respect, but I wouldn't fight for any of political elite & double tongued chancers that run our democracies. I'd rather fight after the take-over. Just like for example one, like myself defies our current charlatans by not jumping automatically for covid vaccine etc.

I'd rephrase that. You're not going to go yellow when your brothers, friends, honourable people are putting their lives on the line. Clearly so many Ukrainians are doing this, offering ultimate sacrifice. And its noble. But you can never be dewy eyed that your ultimate sacrifice will likely lead to a new beautiful dawn, the same scoundrels who by nature covet control & power will likely worm their way to the top, walking over your grave to do so, whether they wear 'your' colours, or the 'enemies', even going so far as to claim your laurels. For those cursed | blessed with this type of insight it simply accentuates the pointlessness of the tragedy.

Like Peter Townsend once wrote; "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtHshBWFRyg

Actually its no different really on a more mundane level from the corporate cretins who'll show no moral scruple in getting ahead of honest hard-working people with integrity, in the workplace.

We'll be fighting in the streets With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
The change, it had to come
We knew it all along We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again, no, no
I'll move myself and my family aside If we happen to be left half-alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky For I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do you? Yeah
There's nothing in the street Looks any different to me
And the slogans are effaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left Is now parting on the right
And the fields of thought grow longer overnight
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again, no, no Yeah
Meet the new boss Same as the old boss

[2017sucks]

Yeah, nato is so defensive, they proved it when I was a kid, dropping bombs every day from the sky 200 metres from my house and nearest soldier was 10 km from there.

[netzerkaiser]

Yeah, nato is so defensive, they proved it when I was a kid, dropping bombs every day from the sky 200 metres from my house and nearest soldier was 10 km from there.

You know the score. You've seen it. Your opinion rises above mine & I'd say, most others here. Respect to you.

[2017sucks]

Yeah, nato is so defensive, they proved it when I was a kid, dropping bombs every day from the sky 200 metres from my house and nearest soldier was 10 km from there.

You know the score. You've seen it. Your opinion rises above mine & I'd say, most others here. Respect to you.

I was frozen, listening on [spam] that war danger alarm in Kyiv, some day ago. Memories still alive. And not rooting for anyone, personally would like that all politicians go to some Island together. Kick each other in balls, play 1on1 basketball, whatever they want. Loser goes to "enemy" country to be a volonter on 5-10 years. And live ordinary people to live their lifes.

I just cant accept a same, single point of view as "the right one" over and over again. From those with basis, just not at Moon.

[2017sucks]

* And let

[netzerkaiser]

Yeah, nato is so defensive, they proved it when I was a kid, dropping bombs every day from the sky 200 metres from my house and nearest soldier was 10 km from there.

You know the score. You've seen it. Your opinion rises above mine & I'd say, most others here. Respect to you.

I was frozen, listening on [spam] that war danger alarm in Kyiv, some day ago. Memories still alive. And not rooting for anyone, personally would like that all politicians go to some Island together. Kick each other in balls, play 1on1 basketball, whatever they want. Loser goes to "enemy" country to be a volonter on 5-10 years. And live ordinary people to live their lifes.

I just cant accept a same, single point of view as "the right one" over and over again. From those with basis, just not at Moon.

Such darkly engaging humour, so well put & I can see English isn't your first language (Brother you did well to come across so darned ELEQUENT). I could be wrong but I take it you're a Serb? Man, I was in London in '99 & only the Independent (newspaper) dared break from 'Jamie Shea' (NATO spokesman line). You're right, ordinary lives + socio-political | class lives, on whatever side, take two different courses.

[2017sucks]

Yes, you are right, Im from Serbia. And so fucked up these days, both nations, both countries our Brothers. And have a friends from both of them.

Thank you for your kind words, respect goes to you from my side as well, not because of your words to me here but all the interesting topics around the forum (Im just lazy to write often ) . Seems you are a kind, full of life soul.

And as a smart guy, you understand my words, when talking about some countries. Its about leaders and politicians and leaders through history,not about ordinary people.

By the way, do you know why we understand each other? Because we have the same humor! Del Boy, Rodney, Boycie, Triger are my own and National heroes here. Now here accepted and understood so well like here. And not just them. I guess I like Gary&Tony even more. Deborah too... But if I have to choose just 1...the real Queen, unfuckable humor... Dorothy.

[netzerkaiser]

Yes, you are right, Im from Serbia. And so fucked up these days, both nations, both countries our Brothers. And have a friends from both of them.

Thank you for your kind words, respect goes to you from my side as well, not because of your words to me here but all the interesting topics around the forum (Im just lazy to write often ) . Seems you are a kind, full of life soul.

And as a smart guy, you understand my words, when talking about some countries. Its about leaders and politicians and leaders through history,not about ordinary people.

By the way, do you know why we understand each other? Because we have the same humor! Del Boy, Rodney, Boycie, Triger are my own and National heroes here. Now here accepted and understood so well like here. And not just them. I guess I like Gary&Tony even more. Deborah too... But if I have to choose just 1...the real Queen, unfuckable humor... Dorothy.

Signing off. Going to bed - all day painting house, I'm tired. Glad I scored with educated guess, Brother, it shows I'm not a dolt, despite few drinks, still a mind racing there... I just couldn't believe at the time, that the Serbs, who suffered so much against Ottomans & in WWI, & then heroes against Ustashi / Pavelic / Nazi's in WWII were now despicable villians in '94?!?!? It made no sense.

Adding you to friend on this site. And THANKS.

[netzerkaiser]

BTW I was born in Ireand, 2017sucks, I'm Irish, though living currently in Scotland. More rebel again!

[2017sucks]

Bravo! And not surprised with those history notes, because they are coming from your keyboard. Thank you! My friend, too! Have a good night.

[2017sucks]

Erin Go Bra!? Wrote good?

Remembered from Kidnapped Prime Minister

[2017sucks]

Erin Go Bragh!!!

[netzerkaiser]

Erin Go Bragh!!!

Thanks. Live Serbia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NlrsmEvv1Q

[stevehappy339]

Interesting to see how many still are believing Putin's propaganda.

There is no conflict between the people of Russia and Ukraine!

What we have is a dictator who is oppressing his own people and who wants to control neighbouring countries as well and he is prepared to kill as many people as needed to get his will. The only things he fears are US ICBMs and a revolution. Just like Stalin he is in his paranoia increasing the suppression of media and anyone who dares to speak up to the tyrant.
The people of Belarus and Kazakhstan etc.. of course also want to be liberated from their Putin puppets.

Thanks to NATO, most eastern European countries are now protected under the US nuclear umbrella. The war in Donbas was instigated by Putin to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. NATO is a threat to Putin specifically, not really to the people of Russia as Putin claims. NATO is a defence alliance and will never start an unprovoked attack. Any sane person understands that.

The global conflict today is between democracies and dictatorship countries like Russia, China and North Korea. Legitimate democracies do not start wars because of the simple fact that those who decides, i.e. the people, are the same who will die in that war and there is no incentive for a modern democracy to expand territory. When democracies want to expand, they form unions like EU and invite other countries peacefully to join. When democracies want to separate, they can do so like the Czech Republic and Slovakia. No need to fight wars.

It is sad to see forum members repeating Putin's lies about Nazi's and genocide etc. Putin is creating conflicts and justifications for starting a war. He couldn't care less about the people in Donbas, they are just pawns in the game. Putin do not care that Russian boys will die or that Ukrainian civilian will die.

Putin is a war criminal and they all get caught in the end.

Putin is now an international paria and will not be able to visit any other country than other dictatorship countries. Nobody will ever again believe anything he says or promise. He managed to fool western leaders for many years but that is in the past now. There will be no new negotiations. Putin and Russia will face sanctions until Ukraine is liberated and Putin is dethroned.

Do you know that Putin wanted to join NATO but was told to take walk

[Iddaoeeok]

Putin trying to dissolve Ukraine in a greater Russia, contemptuously denying that Ukraine has any right to exist as a separate state, should be somewhat familiar territory to an Irishman I would have thought? Or maybe Ireland should have learned to shut up accept the sublimation and suppression of their identity, culture and language by the avowedly superior English? As expected this thread has dissolved into a blizzard of whataboutery and "I'm not defending Putin but..." The cleverest bit of propaganda the Ukranians have come up with yet is to paint this as a war between Europe and the anti-European Other, with atavistic echoes of previous struggles carried out on the frontiers of Western civilization, of bravely holding out against Asiatic hordes from the East - that kind of brilliantly turns the tables on ethnonationalists, not only in Russia, but on all of Putin's pathetic little fanboys in the West.

[2017sucks]

Erin Go Bragh!!!

Thanks. Live Serbia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NlrsmEvv1Q

[netzerkaiser]

Putin trying to dissolve Ukraine in a greater Russia, contemptuously denying that Ukraine has any right to exist as a separate state, should be somewhat familiar territory to an Irishman I would have thought? Or maybe Ireland should have learned to shut up accept the sublimation and suppression of their identity, culture and language by the avowedly superior English? As expected this thread has dissolved into a blizzard of whataboutery and "I'm not defending Putin but..." The cleverest bit of propaganda the Ukranians have come up with yet is to paint this as a war between Europe and the anti-European Other, with atavistic echoes of previous struggles carried out on the frontiers of Western civilization, of bravely holding out against Asiatic hordes from the East - that kind of brilliantly turns the tables on ethnonationalists, not only in Russia, but on all of Putin's pathetic little fanboys in the West.

Brother, & I've great respect for you. An Irishman whose Father served Bomber Command '42-'44. All so messed up, everything. Life always is.

[netzerkaiser]

He's dead since 2000, dunno why he did it from neutral contry, was it 'Dawn Patrol' emulating Erroll Flynn? Relative provincial poverty? Perhaps... my father was damned good looking man. Who knows, at this stage except Lincoln registry office which it takes years to get records from... but what can one do?

[netzerkaiser]

I just know I still have the wings... that's all..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrbuDWi ... -43lLKaqBQ

[Iddaoeeok]

The world certainly is messed up. Looks like the Russian economy crashing might do for Putin rather than molotov cocktails and little old ladies handing out sunflower seeds.

[netzerkaiser]

The world certainly is messed up. Looks like the Russian economy crashing might do for Putin rather than molotov cocktails and little old ladies handing out sunflower seeds.

i can make it over to UK anytime (within reason), you & I need catch up for a pint or 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQA59Ik ... bA&index=2

[netzerkaiser]

Apologies for going so far off topic. Found myself feeling very nostalgic & homesick, & several Newcastle Browns only accentuated it all.

[maximaxi77]

Yes,dictator Hitler Putin wants a war! Therefore has around its borders shiloads of military bases, not to mention secret biological,aircraft violating the airspace,aircraft carriers crammed in Black See...Well,what more to add..Just Hitler Putin!!

Well, just educate yourself before post some silly stuff. For example, you can check this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Not only check, but read all of it, ok? What Russians do now is cutting those battalions from all sides. In case you don't know, they terrorized east UKR for many years and this war actually ENDS their reign (i hope so). To complete the task they need to pass some UKR cities, and it's a real grave situation coz of all good people trying to fight back. Who to blame? Well, you may hate Russia, but if someone bulding up radical forces at your borders for years and even talking about creating nuclear weapons... try to understand their point of view at least. Peace to all Ukranian people!

[maximaxi77]

Fuck off Adolf Putin!!!

Sorry to RUShersgapersrises for wrong quoting.

Well, just educate yourself before post some silly stuff. For example, you can check this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Not only check, but read all of it, ok? What Russians do now is cutting those battalions from all sides. In case you don't know, they terrorized east UKR for many years and this war actually ENDS their reign (i hope so). To complete the task they need to pass some UKR cities, and it's a real grave situation coz of all good people trying to fight back. Who to blame? Well, you may hate Russia, but if someone bulding up radical forces at your borders for years and even talking about creating nuclear weapons... try to understand their point of view at least. Peace to all Ukranian people!

[YumYum74]

The Azov battalion has a strenght of 2500 according to that article. But it’s from 2017 so let’s be generous and say it’s 5000. By most accounts they are in the Mariupol area. So if the reason is as you say, to cut down this batallion (you make it batallions which seems incorrect), then why are the Russians staging a full blown invasion of the whole of Ukraine?

To merely claim it’s to cut down the Azov batallion (which in itself I would have no problem with), or to prevent Ukraine from becoming a nuclear power (which I highly doubt they want), is ludicrous.

[maximaxi77]

The Azov battalion has a strenght of 2500 according to that article. But it’s from 2017 so let’s be generous and say it’s 5000. By most accounts they are in the Mariupol area. So if the reason is as you say, to cut down this batallion (you make it batallions which seems incorrect), then why are the Russians staging a full blown invasion of the whole of Ukraine?

To merely claim it’s to cut down the Azov batallion (which in itself I would have no problem with), or to prevent Ukraine from becoming a nuclear power (which I highly doubt they want), is ludicrous.

You can check current battle maps. It's not only Azov and now they grouping basically in one spot - under Donyeck/DNR. And of course, those forces is not something immobile (like buildings) to
be stayed in Mariupol forever, thats just wiki after all. We hardly know all the truth, as always it's propaganda wars. But if you think about HOW THE F*CK is Ukraine is tolerate those nazi-forces and even officializes them... well, this says a lot IMO.

[netzerkaiser]

What is interesting here, & probaby speaks volumes about societies, is that the Middle Eastern & North African refugee columns comprised of an inordinate amount of young men of fighting age. The Ukrainian situation shows most men feel it within themselves to stay & fight. Now the situations aren't entirely similar: Many of the Middle Eastern & North African states were created by colonial powers & people may not feel particular loyalty to their nation state. Also, the NATO / US interference in these situations contained an alien element that people perhaps found difficult to relate to, & indeed a sophisticated weaponery that was impossible to resist. On the other hand, the Russian | Ukrainian situation is very up close & personal.

In their response so far, the Ukrainians can be so proud of themselves. They are behaving precisely in the heroic manner that the Russian | Soviet folklore on resistance to Bonaparte & Hitler emphasises to this day. I'm sure many in the Russian military are undergoing something of an identity crisis at the moment. They may even feel a sense of shame.

[Iddaoeeok]

Well, you may hate Russia

People don't hate Russia or Russians, they hate Putin and this war, his war, of annihilation on Ukraine.

[goodfella89]

Well, just educate yourself before post some silly stuff. For example, you can check this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Not only check, but read all of it, ok? What Russians do now is cutting those battalions from all sides. In case you don't know, they terrorized east UKR for many years and this war actually ENDS their reign (i hope so). To complete the task they need to pass some UKR cities, and it's a real grave situation coz of all good people trying to fight back. Who to blame? Well, you may hate Russia, but if someone bulding up radical forces at your borders for years and even talking about creating nuclear weapons... try to understand their point of view at least. Peace to all Ukranian people!

It's you who should take some serious history lessons and educate yourself. Whose army is invading a sovereign country to wipe out its democratic elected government? Whose army is bombing civilians? Who is destroying holocaust memorials in Ukraine? Who is lying to his own people, saying there are no Russian losses in a so called "military operation"?
The fact that some nazi assholes serve in Ukrainian army doesn't justify to invade Ukraine and kill thousands of civilians.
I'm not against the people of Russia, I condemn the madman in the Kremlin and his mafia alike henchmen.
Shame on you for trying to justify Putins war.

[maximaxi77]

Well, just educate yourself before post some silly stuff. For example, you can check this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Not only check, but read all of it, ok? What Russians do now is cutting those battalions from all sides. In case you don't know, they terrorized east UKR for many years and this war actually ENDS their reign (i hope so). To complete the task they need to pass some UKR cities, and it's a real grave situation coz of all good people trying to fight back. Who to blame? Well, you may hate Russia, but if someone bulding up radical forces at your borders for years and even talking about creating nuclear weapons... try to understand their point of view at least. Peace to all Ukranian people!

It's you who should take some serious history lessons and educate yourself. Whose army is invading a sovereign country to wipe out its democratic elected government? Whose army is bombing civilians? Who is destroying holocaust memorials in Ukraine? Who is lying to his own people, saying there are no Russian losses in a so called "military operation"?
The fact that some nazi assholes serve in Ukrainian army doesn't justify to invade Ukraine and kill thousands of civilians.
I'm not against the people of Russia, I condemn the madman in the Kremlin and his mafia alike henchmen.
Shame on you for trying to justify Putins war.

Let's not start any info war. They not bombing civilians, they already confess about some loses. It's totally understandarble that they didn't take a time to count loses in first days of war. On the other side UKR president talking about thousands dead russians and even award posthumously some ukranian soldiers that later turn out to be alive. Again, it's very difficult to analize all that info rain. And what about "destroying holocaust memorials in Ukraine "? It's hard to believe that russians can do that. You have any proofs? I don't justify war, I just want to tell you that you are looking for a nazis in the wrong country. Russians have a historical relationship with them, you know.

[maximaxi77]

I'm sure many in the Russian military are undergoing something of an identity crisis at the moment. They may even feel a sense of shame.

Yes, and this is a real horrors of war. One of many. One aspect i hate about this invasion - they (russians) completely ignored covid. They knew that people would have to leave their homes and they did it anyway. Was the threat really that significant?

[YumYum74]

Let's not start any info war. They not bombing civilians, they already confess about some loses. It's totally understandarble that they didn't take a time to count loses in first days of war. On the other side UKR president talking about thousands dead russians and even award posthumously some ukranian soldiers that later turn out to be alive. Again, it's very difficult to analize all that info rain. And what about "destroying holocaust memorials in Ukraine "? It's hard to believe that russians can do that. You have any proofs? I don't justify war, I just want to tell you that you are looking for a nazis in the wrong country. Russians have a historical relationship with them, you know.

There are some points that are certainly up for debate, especially on the propaganda that is being put out by both sides, but when you start your argument with ‘they are not bombing civilians’ you have lost all credibility on the subject. The evidence is all out there, you know.