Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

[sumacs3]

Utter garbage sumacs. A reputable fashion agency isn't going to send one of their models to see a porn director/producer/actor just on a one off. Wendy would have been with a porn agency and she would have been made aware of what Woodman was wanting to do with her BEFORE she turned up. He (contrary to what he says) DID know what she was there for because he requested her! And the sex turned out great because that's what she was there for and paid to do.

Meanwhile on planet "doxxx";

Thanks Panorama. You are like a News Agency!

[Panorama]

"Thanks Panorama. You are like a News Agency!"

Most news agencies talk complete bullshit, so I guess you're right in that respect sumacs!

Moving onto Woodman's latest Boo-Hoo story about how victimized he is.

So here he is claiming that he is friends with Nikki's Models but they don't have any "REAL" models in contract with them to send to him. . . . . Might it have something to do with this Pierre?

The fact that Nikki's models is rated as being THE BEST in the business is why you want to be associated with them....... Yet they won't send you models. That's because they want to keep that rating Pierre.

" ...this babe has a scout behind her in Spain who did not wished this girl come to me for now."

That's because they know that if they send models to you their reputation will nose dive because you and your archaic practices are no longer relevant in the porn industry today and only you can't see it.
This is why the only agency who will send you models is BRILLBABES, and as we can see below their reputation is remarkably similar to yours. Hope that explains things for you Pierre..... Oh, and this is coming from somebody who knows NOTHING about the porn industry!

[dap-addict]

This is an interesting source: mctommie.com
Btw, I just heard the same first hand, but ofc I dont know nothing either.

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Wait, so this lobotomized dog, pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman), talks about bad practices regarding supposed syphillis at LP during all these years, and this idiot shuts up when his rogue friends at Brillbabes (owner/manager and gerbiers top buddy: Eszter) does nothing to protect her models and spreads fakenews??!?!
Talk about double standards by gerbier!!

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Hahahaha, this stupid low-IQ pierre andre nicolas gerbier (aka pierre woodman) always thinks he is "friends" with so many people from the industry. Truth of the matter is, nobody in the porn biz is "friends" with him or want to be! Even the ones he THINKS are his "friends", HATE him in real life. It's ALL business and behind his back they LAUGH at him how hyper dumb of a clown he is!!!!

The smart models, like Kiara Lord and rogue crime partners like "make-up artist" and recruiter gabriella tchekan and "enforcer" alberto rey (https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid= ... to-rey.htm), know perfectly well how to use him as a CLOWN to get rich!!

Give a narcissist always positive attention! Tell him he is the greatest in everything! Tell him he is the best lover they ever had! Show your "love" on Social media. Wear his stupid production t-shirt. Show a thumbs up for gerbier on social media. A narcissist like Gerbier gets a hyper boner from it! Gerbier then of course brags about it on forums (using a fake avatar) that a model has a "good soul" a "good heart" etc and how much the models love him. HAHAHA.

****29 March 2021****

Kiara Lord made a new 1 hour podcast (very popular podcast!) with Dan Leal and Tommie McDonald.
They talk about European porn directors and COERCION/ ABUSE on European porn sets.

Guess who they talk about primarily...... :D

BINGO!

PIERRE ANDRE NICOLAS GERBIER (AKA PIERRE WOODMAN). It's sooooo obvious hahahaha.

Oh my God, they absolutely DESTROYED Gerbier!!

Just like Louis Theroux. No wonder everybody HATES this clown gerbier. He is the pariah or the cancer of european porn biz! Rocco and juliana grandi and many many others know all to well to leave the sinking ship by quitting their "friendship" before gerbier's unavoidable downfall will bring them down too.

The podcast has been listened already by hundreds of thousands since March 29th, and is FREELY accessible for billions and billions on Apple Podcasts!!
The whole world knows about the cancer of european porn by now.

Check/listen/download here (for FREE):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0514820441

Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3vM1VkyXDB0z5ZhkJarRn5

Also on YouYube on her channel and of Tommie McDonald etc. with Video.

Here's an extract:

26:00 Kiara Lord: I know for a fact that some girls after the scene is done so they stay for an extra blow job [with the director off camera for the "personal collection"]. Maybe that will help her career. It just happens "naturally"....

Note: Hmmmm, I wonder who she is talking about......

29:42 Kiara Lord:: I might as well have a lunch and maybe I can get booked. Note: she has lunch with gerbier, not because she is his friend, but for the job booking and accompanying MONEY!

Thorughout the 1 hour podcast, NEVER Is woodman named as best dirctor, best producer, best production, top seller etc. LOL. Because it doesn't even cross their mind LOL. Pierre andre nicolas gerbier (aka pierre woodman) is simply a piece of sugar in 1000 liter of water in the porn business!

38:05 ****CONSENT****
Tommy McDonald: I'd be worried about things like CONSENT.

38:15 Kiara Lord: Most directors don't care about that.
Note: Hmmmm, I wonder who she is talking about......


FAKE DIRECTORS who use a handycam in a shabby hotel room and call it "porno production" 49:45:
50:00 Kiara Lord: Men they hire a model through agencies telling they're directors....some agents [note. Read: Brillbababes & owner/manager: Eszter) don't care enough and they send girls to test these fake directors.

Dan Leal:
It's escort - dan leal- and trying to circumvent the law since escorting is illegal!

Kiara Lord: You have been lied to [as a model]. It's a bad feeling enough. Many girls they stay. I'm here and just gonna do it.
Note: modus operandi for pierre woodman casting.

52:15
Directors try to use their position

52:20 Dan Leal: adds: "and take you to lunch" lol (Note: Dan Leal clearly talking about woodman here hence the laugh and contempt).

52:34 Bad apples in Europe

Kiara Lord: I work with them [read: woodman] they just don't approach me because they know I'm not the one.

53:03 Kiara Lord: They are using their position.
If you don't do this for me then I'm not gonna book you again

53:28 Kiara Lord about pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman)

Right now there is in Europe a middle-aged man. He know the industry. He knows how to sell himself
to a young girl. Especially using the language barrier also helps the director. Girls can't say no that easily. They can't explain how they feel.


54:00 Kiara Lord: Girls think this is kinda normal if you are a sex worker in Europe.

Dan Leal: In America you get fired! You can't go to lunch with someone [obviously he talks about woodman again]
54:32 Tommy McDonald: American models call people out (Serenity Haze/ Lana Rhoades but also Misha Cross, Lara Malvo etc.)

KIara Lord: here in Europe. Silence.

55:12 Dan Leal obviously on pierre woodman's & brillbabes modus operandi:
In Europe a girl will be sent to a casting and all the agency says: CASTING. NO more information. Just CASTING.

Kiara Lord: yea.
Dan Leal:
And then a girl goes there and she gets badgered (= HIGH PRESSURE TACTICS) for hours " why don't you do anal, you have to do anal etc.
Kiara Lord: Ugh (yuck).

Dan Leal: and AFTER TWO HOURS the girl breaks down and ends up doing her e.g. FIRST for a low rate.

Note: hmmmmm, I wonder who that could be.....

Kiara Lord: SUPER exploitation!
Dan Leal: super exploitation!
the agent does this because they get a kickback from the director (woodman)
Kickback = an illicit payment made to someone in return for facilitating a transaction or appointment.

Kiara Lord: especially (note: she means exactly)
Dan Leal: in America they call it COERCION and RAPE and they'd be in jail!
In Europe this happens often [note: by this aforemention "middle-aged man" everybody knows in Europe as per Kiara Lord's words]

55:58 Dan Leal: I personally hope that this stops. It will stop when somebody would actually go to court!

56:06 Kiara Lord:

There is a director in Europe that E V E R Y B O D Y knows about.
He approaches EVERY SINGLE GIRL in the business for solo shootings. It's horrible
He justifies his act saying I'm gonna help you relax before the job (note: special CHINESE TACTIC LOL). Im gonna make you relax.
Some oral.

57:00 Kiara Lord: I know because I had this experience myself. I was just sitting on a couch and this man stood up, walk up to me like right into my face, on the knees, and he wanted to open my legs and I kept them closed. And he said : no, this is gonna be good, and I said, no, this is fucking nuts and i left, but I know he does this ALL THE TIME.

Note: Hmmmmm, I wonder who she talks about. Sounds familiar........

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Dan Leal:It's HORRIBLE!
Kiara Lord: That's TRULY HORRIBLE!
Dan Leal: In America they'd be called out right away [Note: e.g. Lana Rhoades/Serenity Haze].

Kiara Lord: And ever since I got many many fights with THIS guy [= pierre andre nicolas gerbier aka Pierre woodman],
like shouting, braking glasses. really. And even I had to leave the set.


57:50 Tommie McDonald:
Girls in Europe generally don't call out people when they do bad things.

Kiara Lord about the aggressiveness of the middle-aged director/producer: I do. well, I humiliated him in front of others, confronting him on what he does and tell him that he's pathetic trying to take advantage of girls Just because we do porn.
behind closed door when nobody see. he got so mad that he broke a glass. I know he wanted to hit me but because so many people were watching he ended up punching the table and shouting.
This happened not only once with this same director. I still work with him because I'm not afraid of him

Dan Leal: I'm kinda stunned. I'm lost for words.

I think the porn world is in shock that gerbier wanted to punch Kiara!!!!

European agencies [=Brillbabes and Eszter, Gerbier's "friend" who is the manager/owner of Brillbabes agency (and Julmodels And Sandy Models in the past) is a business partner of Pierre andre nicolas gerbier. Probably to a lesser extent ModelMania, NikkiModels (since he raves about them on his forum) and most definitely Empatic models (with owner Sandrita Sulova too after being badgered by pierre andre nicolas gerbier)!

She loves Gerbiers money and seems to be braaging about it on social media, after a successfull assignment that she arranged for models from her agency to go to Budapest to see him!

1:00:38 Kiara Lord European agent/agencies do they do it on purpose?
Dan Leal:
Agent/agencies" we don't always like to tell the models all the information because they might not say yes to the job.
Note a great example is Jospehine Jackson in this regard:

http://imgur.com/a/kUiTGZS

Dan Leal:
In America everybody knows in advance what we're doing. We all agree, rather than the night before the scene like in Europe. Tactic: it's then harder to say no.
Note: this is the woodman way as per his own words in BBC's show for Louis Theroux: "why should I change something I have been doing for more than 30 years".

1:03:44 Kiara Lord: tells her experience: I showed up and I found out that it's definitely something I don't wanna do and it's really hard to cancel.
Dan Leal: Once you're there it's hard for a girl to say no (note: for example: josephine jackson case).

1:05:20 Dan Leal:
in America it doesn't exist. It's completely incorrect.
1:05:15 Dan Leal: In Europe there is a certain culture, exploiting these models, like when you do a "casting" and wasn't specific, and badger the models for two hours to do their first anal scene, you'd be in prison in America! End of story. So is the agent. It's called COERCION. It happens regularly here. It's a completely different world.

Hmmmm, I wonder who he talks about. Hmmmmm......

The more communication there is between the model and the director IN ADVANCE the better it's gonna be for everybody
1:05:76 Kiara Lord: Models are at the bottom as far as communication goes.
Dan Leal: which they shouldn't. The model should be at the top.
Kiara Lord: it's like model, agent and director.

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53:28 Kiara Lord about pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman)

Right now there is in Europe a middle-aged man. He know the industry. He knows how to sell himself
to a young girl. Especially using the language barrier also helps the director. Girls can't say no that easily. They can't explain how they feel.

And then on top of that (Kiara Lord forgot ot mention) mr. muscles is often there for passive-intimidation on the set of gerbier. Name: Alberto Rey (Reda Semlahen's successor in that respect) and also Gebriella Tchekan (the "make-up artist" aka recruiter since decades). Who even sets up dates with escorts accoring to Gerbier himself on his forum, which are often sourced through Brillbabes agency.

Aside from that, as Ricardo Soli or Robin Reid said he has an "enforcer" (both off-line and on-line) called alberto rey: https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid= ... to-rey.htm He's pierre andre nicolas gerbier's strong man and a jack of all trades who also has a strong (online) presence, but 8/10 times it's pierre andre nicolas gerbier himself. Alberto rey is the "soldier" and (well-paid) shadow of pierre andre nicolas gerbier, who would die for pierre andre nicolas gerbier and this is the guy who will for sure be ordered to beat-up robin reid when they would all meet in order for pierre andre nicolas gerbier to not get dirty hands. Same as why pierre andre nicolas gerbier uses the troll farm, so he can keep his hands clean.

Having an anabolic bodybuilder like Alberto present when meeting a young naive girl, and a dominating arrogant french producer surely is an intimidating setting for a young new naive girl just starting in porn.....

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Gabriella is also an accomplice and the "ghislaine maxwell" of the group. Woodman told many times she is an essential part of the gang.
Brillbabes is the deliverer of escorts ("models") who magically often NEVER come to work for others than pierre andre nicolas gerbier and just disappear. So the rogue gang is brillbabes - alberto rey (as muscle and spanish translator) - Gabriella Tchekan (as girl groomer, recruiter of young naive girls, helps girls feel "comfortable" with her as a woman being present in the hotel (room) and at the dinner table and help with when pierre andre nicolas gerbier is pressuring/manipulating girls for often hours on end, and as a make-up artist) - and last but not least pierre andre nicolas gerbier himself.

Everything happens under the watchfull eye of accomplice "mama": Gabriella Tchekan....does she not feel any shame for helping a sexual predator like pierre andre nicolas gerbier???? I know Ghislaine did also not, because, money is too good so better keep an eye close. He pays the bills so you can have food on the table. But leave the sinking ship already before he takes down with you one day.

But seriously, you think it is OKAY Gabriella if your daughter would be all alone in a cheap dark hotel room with an old creepy dominating narccistic manupulative overpowering anal predator who's more then twice as old and who can literally be her grandfather AND with a bodybuilder present as "muscles" and an older woman (make-up) who is supposed to take care and protect your daughter but who's primaerily there to "comfort" your daughter that everything will be okay and over soon??

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This chick is no ordinary "make-up artist". She is there to "comfort" the girls.....because it's hard to leave the set when you hear from the agency [Brillbabes] it's just a "casting" or "interview" without them telling more info and that they are send to a known sexual predator/ woman abuser. It's truly hard to leave the set for a young inexperienced barely 18 in such an intimidating setting where you have these bodybuilder types, a woman groomer, and old 50+/60+ guys like deloin who "pressure" the girls that all will be okay and over in a heart beat.....
because, ultimately, as per pierre andre nicolas gerbier's words, "I have special Chinese tactic and a small weenie weenie, so relaxxxxxxxxx....

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Dan Leal:
In America everybody knows in advance what we're doing. We all agree, rather than the night before the scene like in Europe. Tactic: it's then harder to say no.
Note: this is the woodman way as per his own words in BBC's show for Louis Theroux: "why should I change something I have been doing for more than 30 years".

1:03:44 Kiara Lord: tells her experience: I showed up and I found out that it's definitely something I don't wanna do and it's really hard to cancel.
Dan Leal: Once you're there it's hard for a girl to say no (note: for example: josephine jackson case).

1:05:20 Dan Leal:
in America it doesn't exist. It's completely incorrect.
1:05:15 Dan Leal: In Europe there is a certain culture, exploiting these models, like when you do a "casting" and wasn't specific, and badger the models for two hours to do their first anal scene, you'd be in prison in America! End of story. So is the agent. It's called COERCION. It happens regularly here. It's a completely different world.

Even a grown man would feel uncomfortable to go to a dark shitty hotel room in these circumstances. The girl is lured into thinking everything is okay, because, didn't she just had a nice dinner at an expensive restaurant with a "fine" gentleman?

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That's exactly why this scared bitch called pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman) doesn't have the balls to shoot in Russia any longer.

[Panorama]

A very interesting podcast to listen to Cgr69801QUvm_mYtbbqMt_r_p I think the overwhelming impression that I got from this was that Europe lags several decades behind the U.S. in general when it comes to the rights of models. This explains EXACTLY why Woodman will NEVER work there again, and just how retrograde standards are in Eastern Europe (Hungary in particularly) This is why Woodman lives there, not because of his commitment to his family like he tries to make out, but because he can carry on doing what he has been doing since the mid-'90s. Much of what was said there could be attributed to Woodman, but it can also be attributed to every single other director in Europe as well.

So although I think much of what was said could be pinned on Woodman, I don't feel this podcast was a slam-dunk in showing Woodman to be the worse producer out there, it was more of a reflection of the European porn industry on the whole.
Although she pointed out many of Woodman's "modus operandi" that we can take as being referred to him, she never actually points the finger. Yet she was quick to point the finger at (and publicly name) Rocco for being a tight arse for not looking after his models whilst taking care of himself and his staff. Looking at her thread on the Woodman site would also suggest that she has a very good and happy relationship with him. Now I'm sure one of Woodman's alter-egos (maybe "xmanx"??) will try to use this post to boost Woodman, but again I would advise against that because it will draw more attention over here Pierre and you don't want your faithful suckers to read what's posted on this forum do you?

I'll give credit where credit is due, but this comment shouldn't be taken as one of them for Woodman, (or all you other directors in Europe) even though I think she was talking about him, it's just a pity that she never pulled the trigger.


**************** By the way, what happened to my 25, 1 minute clips and the "lost" Liz Rainbow movie Pierre?????********************

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So although I think much of what was said could be pinned on Woodman, I don't feel this podcast was a slam-dunk in showing Woodman to be the worse producer out there, it was more of a reflection of the European porn industry on the whole.
Although she pointed out many of Woodman's "modus operandi" that we can take as being referred to him, she never actually points the finger... Looking at her thread on the Woodman site would also suggest that she has a very good and happy relationship with him.

With all respect, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
This is not a matter of interpretation. If you know the industry, know the people, have inside information, then there is only one person that Kiara Lord and Dan Leal could possibly talk about:
Pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman).
You have to read and listen between the lines and with all the explicit examples/clues they gave, they can only talk about pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman).

Just because they don't mention a name doesn't mean that the whole industry will not know about whom kiara lord and dan leal talked about implicitly. It's like how johnny depp won the case in court against amber heard after suing her becuase amber heard talked about abuse in a relationship that she endured without mentioning his name. She lost the case. Same story here.
There is only one middle aged man in the European porn business who does castings & lunches/dinners like mentioned by them, who circumvents the law whilst shooting escorts by having a camera in the hotel room, who badgers (=harasses) models for hours on end for a first anal as mentioned by Kiara Lord/Dan Leal, who has a rogue agency (Brillbabes) as accomplice who do not tell the models what the assignment exactly entails when they send them to gerbier, who's tactic it is to bully a girl into doing stuff they don't wanna do by kneeling down between their legs and telling them to relax (using a special ancient Chinese tactic) as per Kiara lord's words etc.

Please: WAKE -UP!!

That they seem to be in a "good relationship" according to the messages in her thread on his forum is because a) pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman) is a lobotomized dinosaur who can't keep up to date any longer what happens everywhere on the internet and especially social media and simply doesn't know about it and his non-existing fans don't care to inform him because die hard woodman fans who care enough about his personal fights don't exist. They only care about when the fuck this lobotomized hyper idiot UPDATES the castings for fuck's sake!

Gerbier is too old to keep up to date about what is said about him and where and by whom outside the forums. He does a little bit of Twittr, but not much else.
Mark my words, in the coming days he will miraculously have a little bird whisper him or show him "something" again after reading about this podcast here. Which is he himself. Because forums are where this lobotomized fool will gather his main info. It's simple on forums for this old walking corpse. He just comes here every day and on ebi and adultdvdtalk and simply enters pierre / pierre woodman / woodman / etc in the search machine and find out the latest news about him and then have a "little bird" tell him something, which he then takes to his forum.

b) If he has known about this podcast already, he of course makes sure to let sleeping dogs lie. This lobotomized huper idiot knows, that if he disturbs or interferes with a situation, you are likely to cause trouble and problems. In this case, when he would give attention to it, people (even more industry people/ noobies / journalists) will dig into it and make a big fuss about it, which could be bad for business; so, he doesn't mention it. But I rather think option a is the case. This old motherfucker doesn't even know about it and doesn't know he is being played by a seasoned actress like kiara lord and by dan leal behind his back.

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Now I'm sure one of Woodman's alter-egos (maybe "xmanx"??) will try to use this post to boost Woodman, but again I would advise against that because it will draw more attention over here Pierre and you don't want your faithful suckers to read what's posted on this forum do you?

I'll give credit where credit is due, but this comment shouldn't be taken as one of them for Woodman, (or all you other directors in Europe) even though I think she was talking about him, it's just a pity that she never pulled the trigger.

- I explained and showed proof already to you and others how xmanx and jean can only be an alias of woodman. They are tainted accounts. Re-read my messages in this topic in case you forgot it. It's simply NOT possible how jean and the main pierre woodman account make the exact same spelling mistakes continuesly and talk and have inside information about youth traumas and what not only gerbier could know about. i.e. voodoo, disney, hydra etc. viewtopic.php?f=184&t=13567&p=604726 jean is simply one of his troll accounts of which he has dozens. To question this information will only play into his hands. That's what a narcissist does. Gaslighting and causing confusion. Stay woke!
-Kiara and Dan don't need to pull the trigger, everyone in the business knows they talked about woodman and woodman only. Currently there is no other middle aged porn director in Europe guilty of all the crimes they mentioned other than pierre andre nicolas gerbier.
-Gerbier will not copy and paste or link to this forum because then he prefers to let the sleeping dogs lie. Censored parts where his real name is mentioned and that he would post on his forum, would cause curiosity and the few people taht care enough, could venture to this forum and thread and would read even more about all his psycho shit. He will not inciminate himself. Why do you think I refer to him by his real name pierre andre nicolas gerbier? Because it's bullit proof for copy and pasting.
-Be assured he will talk about it and send millions of whatsapp messages again to dan leal and kiara lord. A real narcissist will not tolerate that they are being kicked and crushed like a stray dog or a cockroach, but Kiara already says she's not afraid for bad-tempered little french idiot. She knows how to play him for a fool and get money out of his pocket again and again. Dan also knows how to deal with peasants like gerbier. IGNORE such toxic idiots like juliana grandi and rocco siffredi did when they quit their "friendship".

[BlueShadow]

Here how Rocco Siffredi show his family.

Here how clown Woodman show his wife.

Find the differences.
What we are talking about, this say all.

[Panorama]

I understand what you are both saying. (I know "xmanx" and others are Woodman alter-egos Cgr69801QUvm_mYtbbqMt_r_p I was being sarcastic) but what are we trying to do here? Are we showing "The general public" (me) (Woodman members) the character who is Pierre Woodman, Or is this forum just being used as a pitching plate for those "in the business" to stand and throw rotten tomatoes at Woodman? because if it is, it's not going to win them over.
With all due respect Blue, from what I heard today and from what I've seen over the last year Rocco Siffredi is far from being the perfect director himself. It's ok to say that you have to see between the lines of what Kiara and Dan said, and "people in the business know what was being said" etc. But how does that help Joe Public?? From what I heard, Woodman's name wasn't mentioned ONCE. Rocco was mentioned (BY NAME TWICE) as not catering for his female performers, and this came from a woman who said she had "no problems calling people out".
If Kiara and Dan had something to say about Woodman, why did they not mention his name like they (or she) did Rocco's?

I personally don't have a problem with any employer taking employees to dinner or even paying for it. In many forms of business that can often clinch a deal. So Woodman taking models to dinner is great, but using it as a manipulation tool for SEX (as Woodman does) is wholly wrong, as is overpaying models, paying for hotel rooms and or TEETH!! That's not professional, that's manipulation.
So although, yeah I totally agree Woodman's everything we say he is, I don't think this podcast showed Joe Public that Woodman was bad at all, yet because he was mentioned BY NAME Rocco comes out looking like a creep.

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I understand what you are both saying. (I know "xmanx" and others are Woodman alter-egos Cgr69801QUvm_mYtbbqMt_r_p I was being sarcastic) but what are we trying to do here? Are we showing "The general public" (me) (Woodman members) the character who is Pierre Woodman, Or is this forum just being used as a pitching plate for those "in the business" to stand and throw rotten tomatoes at Woodman? because if it is, it's not going to win them over.

As to both of your observations, I guess so. And I agree, in a sense, it's all a waste of time unless somebody finally manages to shut up gerbier in court (as per dan leal words) or shuts him up through huge stories by investigative journalists who will make a big report for tv/ news papers / magazines / blogs of the adult industry. Like how it happened with Ron Jeremy and producer Jay Sin:
https://avn.com/business/articles/legal ... 06667.html
https://www.xbiz.com/news/265481/evil-a ... er-jay-sin

They all should make a special report about the cancer cell of european porn business who everybody in the industry knows (as per kiara lords and dan leal words) in regards to his high pressure tactics and abusive behavior towards (young) women.
I firmly believe that gerbier will then be finished, puked out, cancelled and possbly behind bars like ron jeremy, once the story about all of his abusive shenanigans become known to john and jane doe and cathes wind with all those metoo and women's rights activists. This thread will be a great source to help them set up their content. People from the industry are pussies. It's all about the money and everyone talks about the "gerbier issue" ,but when it's time to open one's mouth, nobody wants to do it, or take the first step. This was not different for Ron jeremy where everybody from the industry knew how he operated illegally and what crimes he committed, but they let him fly for 30/40 years. Another example is the story of necrophelian Jimmy Savile:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lding.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ccini.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... finds.html
Many knew about it, but they let him fly and simply kept on their blinders.
As all the Germans regarding the holocaust (shoah) tend to say: wir haben es nicht gewusst (we didn't know):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge ... ied_Europe

Until the "gerbier issue" catches wind, this topic is a neccissity to hold gerbier accountable for his actions and to counter all the false lies created by him and his troll farm (himself) to the interest of all who might be interested to know.

With all due respect Blue, from what I heard today and from what I've seen over the last year Rocco Siffredi is far from being the perfect director himself. It's ok to say that you have to see between the lines of what Kiara and Dan said, and "people in the business know what was being said" etc. But how does that help Joe Public?? From what I heard, Woodman's name wasn't mentioned ONCE. Rocco was mentioned (BY NAME TWICE) as not catering for his female performers, and this came from a woman who said she had "no problems calling people out".
If Kiara and Dan had something to say about Woodman, why did they not mention his name like they (or she) did Rocco's?

-This topic is called: pierre woodman: "I' am a bastard and break the will of girls".
This topic is not called: : rocco siffredi: "I' am a bastard and break the will of girls".
There is a reason why I didn't mention the little stuff kiara lord talked about in regards to rocco siffredi as itt's off-topic to this thread and solely distract from the topic matter of this thread = pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman). There is one big difference between rocco not ordering food for the female models on his set and being impatient to (new) models and pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman). One is a woman abuser who uses illegal high pressure tactics, badgering women as per dan leal words for hours in a dark shitty hotel room or over dinner, and the other supposedly not always has gentleman's manners in all cases. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Rocco should not be named in one sentence illegal abuse, coercion.
-Why dan and kiara didn't mention gerbier nby name you ask. Well, it isn't reall rocket science to figure out that it's all about lawsuits and money. Duh. On top of that, as per kiara's words, she still works with gerbier because she knows how to dominate and play him (he found his psychological master). She will not slaughter the fat goose that lays the golden eggs by mentioning his name explicitly (even know, it's clear EVERYBODY from the industry knows whom they both yalked about).

I personally don't have a problem with any employer taking employees to dinner or even paying for it. In many forms of business that can often clinch a deal. So Woodman taking models to dinner is great, but using it as a manipulation tool for SEX (as Woodman does) is wholly wrong, as is overpaying models, paying for hotel rooms and or TEETH!! That's not professional, that's manipulation.

Nobody has problems with the first part of course. It's the second part where pierre andre nicolas gerbier is known for in this business. Nobody does it in the european business in that magnitude like he does.

So although, yeah I totally agree Woodman's everything we say he is, I don't think this podcast showed Joe Public that Woodman was bad at all, yet because he was mentioned BY NAME Rocco comes out looking like a creep.

It's yourindividual opinion as an outsider, which people from the industry or those who have been investigating gerbiers criminal shenanigans longer than you have, will most certainly not concur with.

In the mean time, gerbier is celebrating on his forum that wgcz/xxx basicically has monkeys for lawyers, which one could hardly disagree with in certain aspects, if it's true what he said that wgcz/xxx has lost all 7 court cases til date:

I bet the gerbier's celebrated and partied hard that evening- just like the man of the house likes it LOL.

[robin_reid]

As usual, another model annoyed with this psycho and exposing him on TW, this time, Briana Banderas

[sumacs3]

Karla H.

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I hate to point it out, but that woman who works with PW, I had not seen her face before. It may be a coincidence only, but her face immediately reminded me of a somewhat similar face, that of the less than godly Karla Homolka, who was involved with arranging sex killings with and for Paul Bernardo.

Would that be the woman whom model Wendy Muller (2008) asked to leave before she stripped for PW? I doubt this woman really enjoys what she does.

[BlueShadow]

I understand what you are both saying. (I know "xmanx" and others are Woodman alter-egos Cgr69801QUvm_mYtbbqMt_r_p I was being sarcastic) but what are we trying to do here? Are we showing "The general public" (me) (Woodman members) the character who is Pierre Woodman, Or is this forum just being used as a pitching plate for those "in the business" to stand and throw rotten tomatoes at Woodman? because if it is, it's not going to win them over.
With all due respect Blue, from what I heard today and from what I've seen over the last year Rocco Siffredi is far from being the perfect director himself. It's ok to say that you have to see between the lines of what Kiara and Dan said, and "people in the business know what was being said" etc. But how does that help Joe Public?? From what I heard, Woodman's name wasn't mentioned ONCE. Rocco was mentioned (BY NAME TWICE) as not catering for his female performers, and this came from a woman who said she had "no problems calling people out".
If Kiara and Dan had something to say about Woodman, why did they not mention his name like they (or she) did Rocco's?

I personally don't have a problem with any employer taking employees to dinner or even paying for it. In many forms of business that can often clinch a deal. So Woodman taking models to dinner is great, but using it as a manipulation tool for SEX (as Woodman does) is wholly wrong, as is overpaying models, paying for hotel rooms and or TEETH!! That's not professional, that's manipulation.
So although, yeah I totally agree Woodman's everything we say he is, I don't think this podcast showed Joe Public that Woodman was bad at all, yet because he was mentioned BY NAME Rocco comes out looking like a creep.

I was not talking about that...but his patriarchal and narcissist mentality... and how he portrait women. Well showed there.Of course Rocco hisn't the perfect director LOL Who said that??

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Point one: Kiara Lord mentioned Rocco because she clearly has a personal problem with him.
He also said that Rocco thinks he is the best...Dan replied: well, because he is.
I wonder why she instead doesn't think the same about PW who is clearly the most egomaniacal of all XD

He wasn't mentioned explicitly because they know how he is! A person for power and money has betrayed 90% of those he worked with...look when he says he secretly sent a model (Misha Cross) who worked for one agency to another agency, but asked not to say anything to protect his Business.
When you don't do what he asks he starts threatening, making up stories (or blackmailing if there is anything).
He keeps some agents and models in check by promising them jobs and earnings that they will never have (and if it ever happened in 5% of cases it would be to make money for him)
If he takes you on he is cunning and mean with artifice and deception he would be able to turn anyone against you.
Same modus operandi with anyone who doesn't go along with his shady stuff, like scamming models by making them stay exclusive without a contract, earning only him, weird innuendoes..stalking (like people who recently broke up with him or said something negative about him or who worked freely for others without saying anything to 'daddy') are suffering.
He can play this game only against those who have something to hide, in front of the truth and stubbornness of some model he nullifies himself.
He eats and speculates on misfortunes in order to gain personal advantage.
When a woman refuse him he starts bashing her on his forum, and he often uses fake accounts in order not to soil himself personally.
Do you think people still in the biz who know who he is are likely to badmouth him by making names? LOL

[BlueShadow]

-This topic is called: pierre woodman: "I' am a bastard and break the will of girls".
This topic is not called: : rocco siffredi: "I' am a bastard and break the will of girls".
There is a reason why I didn't mention the little stuff kiara lord talked about in regards to rocco siffredi as itt's off-topic to this thread and solely distract from the topic matter of this thread = pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman). There is one big difference between rocco not ordering food for the female models on his set and being impatient to (new) models and pierre andre nicolas gerbier (pierre woodman). One is a woman abuser who uses illegal high pressure tactics, badgering women as per dan leal words for hours in a dark shitty hotel room or over dinner, and the other supposedly not always has gentleman's manners in all cases. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Rocco should not be named in one sentence illegal abuse, coercion.

Not DAN Leal. Himself, PW say this!! LOL
Hours of psychological pressure. His OWN mouth, for God's sake

[BlueShadow]

As usual, another model annoyed with this psycho and exposing him on TW, this time, Briana Banderas

We all know that girls are not there for money, they love him.
Good that there are models with personality. Half keep quiet so as not to risk, the other half still conveniently receive profit from the ''fake'' friendship, making fake smiles and laughing at his stupid jokes as he expects.

[Panorama]

It could be interesting. Woodman's always complaining that he doesn't have time to edit and compile all his "old classics", but here we have someone offering him a service to do the editing for him!
What do you think the chances are that Woodman would allow this so that his loyal members could finally get to see some of their favourite women from the 90s and 2000s????
Also good to see that people "in the business" know that Woodman's interviews now are a complete sham because the models KNOW WHAT THEY ARE THERE FOR.!

[sumacs3]

It could be interesting. Woodman's always complaining that he doesn't have time to edit and compile all his "old classics", but here we have someone offering him a service to do the editing for him!
What do you think the chances are that Woodman would allow this so that his loyal members could finally get to see some of their favourite women from the 90s and 2000s????

Somewhat along these lines, I offered PW through a PM at adultdvdtalk $500 each for his two Wendy M. scenes in the original format or media. In other words I wished to purchase the actual physical items associated with the filming of the 2 scenes. He said he did not do that sort of thing. She was from 2008-2009.

[Panorama]

Somewhat along these lines, I offered PW through a PM at adultdvdtalk $500 each for his two Wendy M. scenes in the original format or media. In other words I wished to purchase the actual physical items associated with the filming of the 2 scenes. He said he did not do that sort of thing. She was from 2008-2009.

Yeah, I can understand that. If I'd shot an exclusive scene with Suzie Carina I might not be willing to let go of it either. Wendy obviously signed a release for her scene so it technically belongs to Woodman, he can do with it what he wants I guess. You probably didn't offer him the correct amount. But don't forget he's a narcissist, he'll get off on the fact that you (or anyone else for that matter) want something that he has. Why do you think he loves people begging him for "Vintage castings", even though he doesn't have the vast majority of what people think he has, he gets off knowing that they want something only HE knows he hasn't got!! What can I say, the man's loopy.

[sumacs3]

Somewhat along these lines, I offered PW through a PM at adultdvdtalk $500 each for his two Wendy M. scenes in the original format or media. In other words I wished to purchase the actual physical items associated with the filming of the 2 scenes. He said he did not do that sort of thing. She was from 2008-2009.

Yeah, I can understand that. If I'd shot an exclusive scene with Suzie Carina I might not be willing to let go of it either. Wendy obviously signed a release for her scene so it technically belongs to Woodman, he can do with it what he wants I guess. You probably didn't offer him the correct amount.

In another thread here at PB, I mentioned about successfully offering $300 for a master tape of another of my Porn Loves, Sophie Strauss, aka Guinevere. Having had that success, I tried to extend a similar offer to PW. And yes I can see how he might want to keep his original material unless I offered more money. Even then, I think some directors probably like the idea of keeping all the stuff they have made, as they retain full control.

[BlueShadow]

I’ve just joined and recently started getting into these studios. I got curious about this thread and tried to understand a bit more. There’s roughly 73/74 pages. I’ve not gone through every page, but I’ve read the more recent ones and can see the level of analysis that has been observed by the users. And I’m not really surprised, by any of it. All of his contradictions, backchat, lies etc. To the point he has to set up a fake account on his own forum replying to himself. Sounds rather desperate to me.

And here another one.





Hi PW, are you having fun answering yourself and making propaganda? ("maestro" , and always forget not to detach punctuation...
And registered in 2018 but posted only now...interesting...which of the thousand fake account is this one? )
What a scumbag.
(In other times such a person would already be in a maximum-security room.)

Fans, remember that if she doesn't make more anal/DP in EU, after she also made DAP (and worked in that studio several times XD), it will only be PW's fault.

[Panorama]

Speaking of that Blue. What's Woodman up to now?!!
Another single-digit member (this time a lady no less) promotes herself left-right and centre, claiming she is from FLORIDA and Woodman says she has "guts". This is after some members get booted for even thinking about promoting another site.
But the clincher here is when she states SHE WILL NEVER have a casting with Woodman even though she really does fantasize about it.
Come on Pierre, Really?
And the picture? Well, when was the last time anybody saw a HILL covered in trees in FLORIDA?? Looks more like East Europe to me..... Prague perhaps Pierre?

Maybe you can amazingly change her mind??? What a master if she just happened to pop up in Budapest???

[BlueShadow]

I wonder what terrible things they did in that studio...after she worked there at least 15 times!
https://www.analvids.com/model/100876/lia_lin

PS
Remember, no more anal for others production in Budapest and Prague...Pierre Woodman fault. You will have to blame him if will happens dear fan.

[BlueShadow]

He must be boiling to see how many firs anal they can get in Russia and that by the time those model get to Budapest they will have done everything and no "first time" for him to brag about, he tries to destroy nick Rock by all means the bastard. I just laugh for how much he boils with anger

[BlueShadow]

Well, in the meantime mr. Woodman, you can keep watching his video and the new girls.

[BlueShadow]

Don't worry, sooner or later those model will come in Budapest.
As I bet sooner or later you will also have something to say about Natasha Teen studio and Angelo Godshack studio.
(other studios that have first anal, from South American, and Czech girls.)

[Panorama]

Well "nyhanare" (Pierre or whoever) I'm certainly not a circus insider and this has happened to me also a few times. Simply log out, close your browser, then open it again, log back in and the problem goes away. I for one would be very interested in what you have to say. Some of us don't bite.

[Panorama]

Looks like Woodman has got just about all of them "hook-line and sinker"!
However, one eagle-eyed member spotted that Maya wasn't in FLORIDA in her picture, but she never replied with a reason.

Ok so let's break this down. So you're a guy who has earned your living over the last 30 years scamming people into the belief that your casting is "spontaneous" and genuine, with models who have never before performed such graphic sex acts becoming slaves for "The Master". Some of the castings I obtained were questionably procured and as such I couldn't possibly ever publish them. So, I'll make people believe that I've "initiated" (full sex & anal) the model (even though I never managed to get her to perform a said act) by paying her well and getting her to "go along" with the scam.
This has held me in good stead all this time with suckers all over the world being fooled by me into thinking that ALL my castings are genuine. Then I made the mistake of trying my luck in America!. . . . How wrong was I to do that!? I tried to push my luck onto a young model called Serenity Haze, not the sharpest tool in the box so I should be able to manipulate her easily.
But I didn't realize that I can't pull the stunts I'd been happily doing in Europe in America. In the U.S. NO actually does mean NO, and if you don't abide by that rule you can end up in jail! I produced a "security" video to show how innocent I was, but it ended up making me look even worse!! Not being unfamiliar with the legal system (having spent some months in prison) I decided to leave the U.S. and its "Me too" culture declaring it, and the country I was incarcerated in (France) the axis of evil. Enough to say I haven't, and won't go back.

Now because I've had to change my tactic the word is getting around that my "castings" aren't genuine. Members who have spent years asking for castings from the 90s' and 2000s' are slowly coming to the conclusion that I might not actually have the castings I've been boasting about all these years. And they're right, but I can't just come clean and admit that I've been leading them on all these years. But if I could take their mind off wanting old castings and the fact that I can't manipulate models as easily anymore, how can I still scam them into thinking that everything is still genuine???

I know, I'll create a character. She will be a complete anal virgin, with no intention whatsoever to perform for me. The impossible task. I'll let her interact with members and let her tell them "Her Story". She'll threaten to leave a few times so that I can keep them eager and desperate, and she'll repeat that she has no intention of meeting me, and certainly no intention of doing anal!! (although it's a HUGE fantasy!)
Then when it looks like all is lost, I'll win her over and she'll do the dirty deed!! Straight sex, anal, DP, DDDDP, RGS, RGSDDP RGSDAPDDP the lot! I'll put the casting on pre-order to milk the punters of even more of their hard-earned because they believe this is a rare and spontaneous event as she's never done anal before, wants to be raped, wants to be pregnant etc, etc. Course what they don't know is that I've been planning this from the start and Maya has been in on the scam all the while!

The same scam I've always been doing, only from another angle, the punters will love it.

[BlueShadow]

Yes, even the screenshots where he HIMSELF says how he touched girls despite the agency saying only interview, of when bash girls on his forum are things made by others... Forget that we post what he himself says. XD.
Then I don't understand why he doesn't just do his work without bashing other productions and model that not want to go there systematically.
And then he talks about inciting hatred. This clown. Just do your job. But he can't...

[ValenciaCF]

There you have it it's Lili Charnelle's first ever scene in porn. First ever BBC too! Yet in her casting she said she never had black man and Darrell Deeps was her first black man that PW advertised it as and the fight with Disciples lolololo Pierre the liar Woodman.

[BlueShadow]

He has time to bashing competitors and making propaganda on the forum but not to give members the scenes. How many updates of those 25 has he given so far? Zero.
I renew my advice: keep paying!

[sumacs3]

He has time to bashing competitors and making propaganda on the forum but not to give members the scenes. How many updates of those 25 has he given so far? Zero.
I renew my advice: keep paying!

Why don't some other porn directors who have nothing to do with him step up and get on his case a bit?

They say Evil thrives because the Good decide to do nothing about it.

[BlueShadow]

He has time to bashing competitors and making propaganda on the forum but not to give members the scenes. How many updates of those 25 has he given so far? Zero.
I renew my advice: keep paying!

Why don't some other porn directors who have nothing to do with him step up and get on his case a bit?

They say Evil thrives because the Good decide to do nothing about it.

Other do their job, they not pass the time writing shit about other production on a forum, don't read forum every day. PW is the only one that need this. To filo his ego.

Have you ever seen Rocco talk bad every day on the socias about this and that? Or, going to the U.S., Jules Jordan brag about first anal or how much all the models love him, that they don't ask for money, etc.? LOL

[sumacs3]

Have you ever seen Rocco talk bad every day on the socias about this and that? Or, going to the U.S., Jules Jordan brag about first anal or how much all the models love him, that they don't ask for money, etc.? LOL

Thanks, I still think that if you really want action, you need some heavyweights in the industry, and not only some models. Otherwise the constant pestering will have little effect. It is not a show of character to avoid badmouthing when someone deserves it.

[BlueShadow]

Have you ever seen Rocco talk bad every day on the socias about this and that? Or, going to the U.S., Jules Jordan brag about first anal or how much all the models love him, that they don't ask for money, etc.? LOL

Thanks, I still think that if you really want action, you need some heavyweights in the industry, and not only some models. Otherwise the constant pestering will have little effect. It is not a show of character to avoid badmouthing when someone deserves it.

He is a toxic narcissist, (the best thing is to have nothing to do with these subjects. Especially if you work in the same business, I'm not in the business, I don't pay my bills with porn, I can freely say my opinions, I don't have to lick ass) I have explained why in most cases people in the industry don't badmouthing him. (but there are a lot of models that not speak good of him, Look at Josephine Jackson, she said clearly that it was a bad experience with him, and that she was cheated in doing something that she didn't really want to do. But he sent there his friend...because unfortunately she knows very well that she can make good money with him in a short time) and if he is still there in that hole between Beudapest and Balaton lake it means that there are greedy people who allow him to do that.
Try to work in the USA now...let's see XD)

Point one: Kiara Lord mentioned Rocco because she clearly has a personal problem with him.
He also said that Rocco thinks he is the best...Dan replied: well, because he is.
I wonder why she instead doesn't think the same about PW who is clearly the most egomaniacal of all XD

He wasn't mentioned explicitly because they know how he is! A person for power and money has betrayed 90% of those he worked with...look when he says he secretly sent a model (Misha Cross) who worked for one agency to another agency, but asked not to say anything to protect his Business.
When you don't do what he asks he starts threatening, making up stories (or blackmailing if there is anything).
He keeps some agents and models in check by promising them jobs and earnings that they will never have (and if it ever happened in 5% of cases it would be to make money for him)
If he takes you on he is cunning and mean with artifice and deception he would be able to turn anyone against you.
Same modus operandi with anyone who doesn't go along with his shady stuff, like scamming models by making them stay exclusive without a contract, earning only him, weird innuendoes..stalking (like people who recently broke up with him or said something negative about him or who worked freely for others without saying anything to 'daddy') are suffering.
He can play this game only against those who have something to hide, in front of the truth and stubbornness of some model he nullifies himself.
He eats and speculates on misfortunes in order to gain personal advantage.
When a woman refuse him he starts bashing her on his forum, and he often uses fake accounts in order not to soil himself personally.
Do you think people still in the biz who know who he is are likely to badmouth him by making names? LOL

[sumacs3]

Thanks BlueShadow. Makes sense.
But I still think there is considerable truth to the statement that Power Respects Power.
If the heavyweights won't say or do anything, maybe the only hope is for disgruntled models to band together and file a legal "complaint." How many times do we hear of nothing happening to a prominent Hollywood actor until a bunch of woman eventually step forward?
Just trying to solve the problem!

[Panorama]

Thanks BlueShadow. Makes sense.
But I still think there is considerable truth to the statement that Power Respects Power.
If the heavyweights won't say or do anything, maybe the only hope is for disgruntled models to band together and file a legal "complaint." How many times do we hear of nothing happening to a prominent Hollywood actor until a bunch of woman eventually step forward?
Just trying to solve the problem!

That's easier said than done sumacs. I've spent over a year trying to get models to open up and talk about Woodman and let me tell you it isn't easy! Unlike women in America the women in Eastern Europe are much easier to manipulate, why do think he lives there?? Many of these women have been paid to keep their mouths shut, so when someone like me comes along asking questions you get a wall of silence. The only way you know something is wrong is because although none of them will openly call him out, they don't sing his praises either. Also, a great many (probably 75%) of Woodman's "initiations" don't even exist in the capacity that Woodman "portrays", so there IS nothing to complain about.

Meanwhile back in the Maya Bensinger thread:

"Isaac" asks why Maya should be allowed to promote herself on Woodies forum when other girls were booted for suggesting this. Well read my post above Isaac, look at things logically (not what you want to believe or what Woodman tell you) and you'll see that Maya IS going to benefit Woodman! . . . . Eventually.

[Panorama]

"This is not a forum for people to argue with each other but on the contrary of that of the circus so that there is a cool atmosphere"

So where have you seen us calling each other "Sick freaks", "assholes", "Idiots", "Fucking Hypocrites" or "Fucking lunatic weirdos"???? Once again Pierre you aren't seeing reality??

[sumacs3]

"This is not a forum for people to argue with each other but on the contrary of that of the circus so that there is a cool atmosphere"

So where have you seen us calling each other "Sick freaks", "assholes", "Idiots", "Fucking Hypocrites" or "Fucking lunatic weirdos"???? Once again Pierre you aren't seeing reality??

Such a cool atmosphere, but only under ideal conditions. Conditions change.